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Miniatures Adventure => The Second World War => Topic started by: joroas on March 22, 2013, 09:00:18 AM
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There is a note in this month's WI that they are nearly ready and they may be available at Salute..... Anyway, production is imminent and, I assume, the DAK will be next....
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Looking forward to them and the possibility of LRDG :D
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Woohoo! Looking forward to these too, no doubt it will be some time before they reach the antipodes though.
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well I hope they will be combinable with Warlords other plastic British
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I doubt it, these look like they have proper length legs...... lol
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must be the shorts :D
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Command sprue pics were put onto TMP a few days ago.
Apparently they are going to be there for Salute, all being well, with the Afrika Korps to follow in (they hope) June or thereabouts...
(http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x69/pantomaniac/perry8Army_zps29394a86.jpg)
(http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x69/pantomaniac/perry2_zps063b8309.jpg)
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Some head swaps and a little trimming and there's my Federal Regular Army for Aden done.
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hmmm
now all what is missing would be a special sprue with French accessoires (kepi, large berets, bonnet de police, garlic sausage, wine bottles, little dogs, some weapons, maybe some raised arms) and of we go the french reconquista!
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Well, they are working on metal Italians, so I would not be surprised to see a big desert range appear later this year......
Thanks for the pictures, Captain, I hadn't seen these.....
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Can't wait to see these next to my Valentine Mk.I and II and Crusader Mk.I, II, and III casts. Shameless plug... :)
http://www.diewaffenkammer.com/_great_britain_and_the_commonwealth_page_no2.html
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Well, they are working on metal Italians, so I would not be surprised to see a big desert range appear later this year......
Thanks for the pictures, Captain, I hadn't seen these.....
The most numerous troop type in theatre... in metal... ::)
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Maybe, but you know folks will buy lots of British and DAK; Italians and French will be much lower sales.
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the most numerous troop type were actually Tunisians in Italian service, if they had a special uniform.....
but You have a point!
we apparently never play the numerous troop type
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The most numerous troop type in theatre... in metal... ::)
Maybe they think that a few poses are enough and so multi pose plastic is not needed.
Remember the 20mm Foundry Colonial WW2 Italians sculpted by the twins? Ten times the same figure.
the most numerous troop type were actually Tunisians in Italian service, if they had a special uniform.....
but You have a point!
we apparently never play the numerous troop type
I think you mean libyans.
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I think You are right, Lybians
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Really looking forward to these. What battles could they be used in though that would involve big open deserts? I don't know much about North Africa Battles and always think of Tanks before infantry.
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google "Scot columns"
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We are looking forward to a desert summer at Offensive!
Just done a DAK Kubel, with desert tyres and crew to follow.
These are cast just need to put into a production mold.
(http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n524/bruce-bonus/dak1_zpsad80e229.jpg)
(http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n524/bruce-bonus/dak3_zpsfffe3d13.jpg)
These will be available at Salute.
BB
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Seen the metal Italians but does any one know if they are doing French forces?
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Seen the metal Italians but does any one know if they are doing French forces?
There has been no mention of French yet.
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Seen the metal Italians but does any one know if they are doing French forces?
Probably in resin... >:D
I'm being uncharitable. When I first saw the Brits a while ago, I was quite thrilled and still am truth told. One thing the Perrys do is completeness, so I wouldn't be surprised if plastic Italians and French appear somewhere down the line. I would be pretty stoked if they did too! Abyssinia, Syria, Greece, Libya, Madagascar, even Spain... almost endless possibilities and options!
The DAK figures look great too, call me odd, but they are way down my list of things I would like to do though.
:)
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I'm thinking of doing something set around the invasion of Sicily.
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Really looking forward to these. What battles could they be used in though that would involve big open deserts? I don't know much about North Africa Battles and always think of Tanks before infantry.
Greece, some really close up fighting, early part of the Italian campaign, and depending exactly how 'finicky' you are possibly Singapore ;)
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Syria 1941.
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the most numerous troop type were actually Tunisians in Italian service, if they had a special uniform.....
lol
To be honest, I'm not even sure there were Tunisians in French service. After all, that would come in the way of all the manpower needed to smuggle and keeping a lively black market during the conflict ;)
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At the start of Operation Compass, at the end of 1940 there were two Libyan divisions in existence. At the same time there another seven Italian divisions in theatre, either metropolitan or Blackshirt plus a whole host of ancillary and supporting troops plus various bits and pieces. The two Libyan divisions were effectively wiped out during Compass so it's hard to see how Libyans would have made up the largest number of combatants.
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Greece, some really close up fighting, early part of the Italian campaign, and depending exactly how 'finicky' you are possibly Singapore ;)
Singapore! :-*
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Yup, my statement was kind of unprecise, so:
in What is generally called "the Mediterranean Campaign" or "Northafrican Campaign" and also extended to include Ethiopia 1940 and Syria 1941 (I am leaving out Greece and Crete 1941 for lack of knowledge) the majority of combattants were of non European ethniticity. France (70%) Italy (in Eritrea 70%) for example, unable to quote any number when it comes to Indian soldiers in the British Army. I am leaving out Australian and South African troops as well as the many batallions of jewish volunteers.
Although the two Libyan divisions were disbanded after Compass, many Libyans had enlisted in Italian units and there were a lot of other supporting troops (Source to start with could be Jowett, Philip (2001). The Italian Army 1940-45, especially part 2, the Bibliography lists almost exclusively Italian sources - sorry my Italian is not that fluent and it would cost me more time than I find it interesting to research this)
My point being that in general (gamers and miniature companies) tabletop wargaming overrepresents the involvement of european troops and underrepresents the "auxiliary ethniticities" if I may use the expression. This not being an issue limited to wargaming but rather transported from media, particularly movies. This is not meant to raise accusations, just to state the facts.
I encountered this problem myself when researching for my new project, the French Foreign Legion 1910-1950. For all the campaigns in which the legion participated, the overwhelming number of french troops (50% minimum) came from non-european ethniticities. In Morocco the job was mainly done by tirailleurs and the legion provided the backbone.
And returning to the topic, it has already been stated that the first troops to be made in plastic are not the ones that would have been statistically visible. So we were only holding up a mirror to us and the wargaming community who usually is very quick to state historical inconsistencies but forgets that we set the focus and the choice of troops
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Excellent! I hope they make a good selection of surrendering poses for the Italians ;)
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This is so awesome. There are already really good figs available for just about everyone in this theater already except the Italians and the Desert rats. (Even the Italian figs from Artizan are great if you like Pith Helmets and don't need much variety or special weapons.) Can't wait!
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Excellent! I hope they make a good selection of surrendering poses for the Italians ;)
And I hope they make an Il Duce for the Eurovision.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6Rruvh2Uj8
Because that sketch is all I can think of when I see the greens for the Italians.
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Excellent! I hope they make a good selection of surrendering poses for the Italians ;)
No, I hear they are working on further ranges covering the British and Australian armies at Singapore and the US army in the Philippines.
(see it's not quite as funny a meme when you put it in that context)
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Well, some Yanks for the Phillipines would be nice...
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former user,
I get your general point about Eurocentrism but honestly the North Africa campaigns and the wider Mediterranean theatre are hardly good examples. The overwhelming bulk of the combatant forces were European. The Italians didn't have large numbers of local colonial forces in the Western Desert, in large part because they had fought a very bloody and rather cruel campaign of elimination much of the local population over a twenty year period. The campaigns in Abyssinia before and after the outbreak are not normally considered part of the MTO, being some considerable distance from the Mediterranean. For the record, the bulk of Italian colonial forces there were either Eritrean or Ethiopian and if memory serves I'm not sure they made up the bulk of forces in the first conflict. By the way there are dedicated ranges for the Italo-Abyssinian war if you want them.
If you are going to lump the Syrian campaign into your definition of the Mediterranean theatre, which is quite reasonable, them you can't really remove Greece and Crete. Wholly European. Of course you are also going to have to add all those Americans unless your model of the MTO suddenly ends at the start of 1942.
Naturally manufacturers make the figures they think will sell. I'm not sure you can really complain about Perry manufacturers in this regard.
As an aside I was organizing some minis last night and I realized that of my collection of moderns and Great War era I have more non-European troops than anything else.
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(see it's not quite as funny a meme when you put it in that context)
Yeah, it is ;)
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We are looking forward to a desert summer at Offensive!
Just done a DAK Kubel, with desert tyres and crew to follow.
Bruce. I know FJ were in the desert but feel free to bring out an extensive range of Offensive DAK. Please. Pretty please!
Dave C
Suffolk
PS I can never get the hang of 'quoting'
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Ooh, will this mean I can dust off my old Chieftian made Blitz buggy, Ford F30, Jeeps and Chevys and ready my LRDG for the DAK? *girly squee*
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Crete and the italian front are possibilities as well !!
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Probably in resin... >:D
I'm being uncharitable. When I first saw the Brits a while ago, I was quite thrilled and still am truth told. One thing the Perrys do is completeness, so I wouldn't be surprised if plastic Italians and French appear somewhere down the line. I would be pretty stoked if they did too! Abyssinia, Syria, Greece, Libya, Madagascar, even Spain... almost endless possibilities and options!
The DAK figures look great too, call me odd, but they are way down my list of things I would like to do though.
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dont know if I'm wrong but the only spanish in ww2 were ths blue legion in russia??
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dont know if I'm wrong but the only spanish in ww2 were ths blue legion in russia??
Perhaps he means using the figures for the Spanish Civil War, as opposed to Spanish in WWII. ;)
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Well I want to use them with Sikh heads for the British Army in India. I was thinking of using Gripping Beast Sikh heads, but I don't know if they will scale well yet (I hope so, or I am screwed) The Bolt Action Sikh heads are a poor second choice as they are expensive and only one head in three actually looks like a Sikh (very odd).
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Or the defence of Hong Kong.
Singapore! :-*
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dont know if I'm wrong but the only spanish in ww2 were ths blue legion in russia??
Perhaps he means using the figures for the Spanish Civil War, as opposed to Spanish in WWII. ;)
Yes... I was talking about the Italians. As they come for Spain from mid to late 1937 and with French helmets before that. Which is why I wanted plastic ones.
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Well I want to use them with Sikh heads for the British Army in India. I was thinking of using Gripping Beast Sikh heads, but I don't know if they will scale well yet (I hope so, or I am screwed) The Bolt Action Sikh heads are a poor second choice as they are expensive and only one head in three actually looks like a Sikh (very odd).
From the horses mouth, it was said that there 'might' be some head packs in the future, depending on what they can't fit onto the sprues at present (as with the WotR figures and the 'European' heads). I wanted pith helmets, but I would imagine Indian and other Commonwealth ones might be more popular options. Time will tell on that though.
:)
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Cool. I hope so. I love the way the Perrys do faces.
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Does any one have any idea of what metal minitures they are planning to produce to support the plastics? A vickers crew would be fantastic as well as a gun crew.
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Doubtless we will receive the now mandatory 'Australian heads' in slouch hat complete with brim folded up on one side. It seems to be a perennial fixture of the miniatures scene despite there being no rationale or evidence for Australians wearing them in action.
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I suppose it was easier than trying to turn up the side of your helmet. ;)
I've seen photos of 'relaxed' Aussies in North Africa in slouch hats with no turn up (which is obviously the sensible way to wear them), or boarding troopships etc before leaving Australia, with. All of the 'action' shots, posed or otherwise, were wearing helmets though.
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yeah but its a good way to identify that they r Aussies on the table top, even with 1 in 10 wearing a slouch hat. I for 1 really hope they do them :-*
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I really doubt you'd have any difficulty spotting a group of Aussie soldiers... slouch hats or not. lol
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I've just had a moment of inspiration. These would probably be perfect for Dakar and Brigadier Richie-Hook's coconut hunting expedition, Couldn't be too hard to affix an eye patch to one of these.
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A Waugh game ;)
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Well done that man drum roll, cymbal crash. lol
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french are a necessity
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This is so awesome. There are already really good figs available for just about everyone in this theater already except the Italians and the Desert rats. (Even the Italian figs from Artizan are great if you like Pith Helmets and don't need much variety or special weapons.) Can't wait!
The Empress Italians are super and add more variety for the Desert, even if they're intended for the 1935-36 war, with LMG and MMG teams and a gun. I also bought some of the Bolt Action Italians recently - very nice models, slightly slender and finely cast, but the separate heads mean that I can use some Artizan pith helmet Italian heads. However I'm very excited about a Perry range, metal or not!
Keren here we come!
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Doubtless we will receive the now mandatory 'Australian heads' in slouch hat complete with brim folded up on one side. It seems to be a perennial fixture of the miniatures scene despite there being no rationale or evidence for Australians wearing them in action.
But it does make them look silly. That's an enough of a reason for me.
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Clearly you've not seen a group of wallies in a black beret with the plumage from the arse end of an Emu affixed to it. That really does look silly. As the time honoured gag goes: 'Did you hear about the cavalry officer who was so stupid, the others noticed?'