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Miniatures Adventure => Future Wars => Topic started by: steders on March 26, 2013, 09:53:39 AM
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Anyone bought this? I fancied the look of it, my cursor hovered over the buy it button until I saw the price tag. £70!
Is this one for the hardcore 40K lads or will a crusty RT player get anything from it?
Any thoughts?
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Don't. Too pricey.
There's a 200+ page pdf on here somewhere, (saw it on Sunday, downloaded it very nice) I think its from bell of lost souls. Very good quality and loads of info. Its free pete, meaning more cash to splash for minis.
I'll try to find the thread.
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I'd be interested in that thread Mr Vyper
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http://www.tempusfugitives.co.uk/pdf/40k/AotE%20Expansion.pdf (http://www.tempusfugitives.co.uk/pdf/40k/AotE%20Expansion.pdf)
Tempus fugitives and BOLS are grea y heresy references. If I ever stop flitting around a heresy skirmish level is definitely on the cards.
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There are actually two HH PDfs floating around, one from the Tempus Fugitives group and one from Bell of Lost Souls.
The Tempus Fugitives one is called "Age of the Emperor - A Rules Expansion for Warhammer 40k". I'd recommend getting that one as it is more recent, includes far more rules and a very well thought out requisition system with very fluffy units, and is far prettier when it comes to layout issues.
If you google "Age of the Emperor", it's the first result that comes up. I didn't want to directly link, but you should be able to get it quickly. Really good one, that.
My brother got himself the Forgeworld book. "Lavish" is the word I would use to describe it. The main issue, IMHO, is the fact that it only covers the "opening shots" and only a handful of legions. The TF one has them all, albeit in lesser detail and obviously non-official, but still very well done.
EDIT: Dang, ninja'd by the Commander. lol
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[Stealth] :D [/Stealth]
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It was very tempting before they released it and I realised it was £70 & only covered 4 chapters of marines. Idea sank like a stone after that.
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Downloaded, looks interesting. Thanks for that
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I downloaded the Temous fugitives pdf a few days back and can honestly say I felt apull to play 40k again and it dd have just a little whiff of RT days - Rad grenades and conversion beamers.
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I got the book. I don't regret it one bit. Me and my friends have had loads of fun gaming the Heresy. I had the BoLS PDF, but I feel that it's not as good as the book IMHO.
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Yeah but £70 better? :?
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Yes it's worth it, get some wd40 and open your purse. ;D
And I'm not just saying that as I'm planning to get a copy.
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Honestly if you can afford it I'd go for the official book bu then I love the background to the Heresy and you'll fin that in spades in the book.
My only problem ATM is collecting marines is so expensive these days!
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Yeah but £70 better? :?
Your forgetting, £70 for the book, plus £1000 for 250pts of space marines
(Unless you went the cheap ass gamer route and just did it in GW plastics, then your games can be unrecognizable as horus heresy games thereby waisting the £70 book...plus your 250pt force from GW might still set you back £500 with current prices)
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Your forgetting, £70 for the book, plus £1000 for 250pts of space marines
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Bloody hell. I thought the old Beakies could be used? I have to admit I'm not really up on the 'history'
Does anyone know if the chaos lads are 'chaosed' up early on or do they look like normal marines?
Thanks
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Pete know your heresy history! Full tilt chaos was around the siege of terra. Anything before go for brother versus brother. And the other reason for not going forge world is my heresy memories and artwork I have has all mks up to mkvi in bucket loads. Mixed armour, artificer armour and from the ccg card game artwork, lots of non cannon little changes.
After all, if your old enough to remember this shit first time round, do it your way.
;)
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Your forgetting, £70 for the book, plus £1000 for 250pts of space marines
(Unless you went the cheap ass gamer route and just did it in GW plastics, then your games can be unrecognizable as horus heresy games thereby waisting the £70 book...plus your 250pt force from GW might still set you back £500 with current prices)
These sums seem to have been pulled out of the sky.
30 FW Marines will cost you £160 and can provide between 460 and 690+ pts as tactical marines. A super expensive resin tank, say a Spartan, is £95 for for a model that normally runs at 340 pts. It is also £95 for a 350/370 pt Typhon. So your £1000 looks like it would actually provide a much larger army then you state.
Expensive, yes, very expensive, but why make-up numbers? :?
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At lunch time I had a read of AOTE. Very nice. I was impressed by how well written it is. When ever I normally read any of the official GW fluff I generally feel a wave of nausea (I'm talking about fluff in the rule books, not any of the novels). It always seems like it is written by a spotty 17 year old who has been snorting liquid green stuff off Jervis Johnsons breasts.
This just seems to have more maturity. No idea how it stacks up against the FW HH book1.
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This just seems to have more maturity. No idea how it stacks up against the FW HH book1.
I'd say the proofreading for AotE is better. lol ;)
Seriously though, although the Forgeworld books are generally rather well done and stand head and shoulders above the usual GW fare, I've found that pretty much every book suffers from typos and strange sentence structure in places (most of the time, it seems to be a case of trying to sound ominous or dramatic). The Betrayal book seemed a bit better, but I've only read it once as I don't own it myself.
The FW book is primarily much more "shiny", with impressive production values, and less crowded when it comes to layout and spacing of content.
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Bloody hell. I thought the old Beakies could be used? I have to admit I'm not really up on the 'history'
That's what I'm doing with mine, the beaky armour was a prototype at the start of the heresy and wasen't issued in big numbers till the fighting had really kicked off, priority was given to the legions who were at the massacre. and it's easy to convert the current plastic marines to heresy, thrim the ridges off shoulderpades and stick bumps all over the armour.
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Okay, this must be a GW thing that I am missing but...
If the game is between friends (never done the tournament thing with any set of rules) can't you just use whatever you have?
I mean," X stands for Y" is an old Grognard technique from my 1970's Fantasy and Napoleonic playing days...
Gracias,
Glenn
the heretic in so many matters
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Sounds fine to me Glenn :D
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Refuting WYSIWYG? The rumbling in the halls of Nottingham sound like the very voice of doom!
Seriously, while I can't abide it, I do understand the rules/expansions/codeci/WD pronouncements get so fiddly, the special character characteristics so arcane, you have to have exactly the right model to have a clue how to play, and, more important, play against...
Knowing plenty of fanboys, it actually makes sense, except for the whole part of not avoiding the pain in the first place.
If you love it, and plenty do, you learn what you have to sacrifice.
Doug
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These sums seem to have been pulled out of the sky.
30 FW Marines will cost you £160 and can provide between 460 and 690+ pts as tactical marines. A super expensive resin tank, say a Spartan, is £95 for for a model that normally runs at 340 pts. It is also £95 for a 350/370 pt Typhon. So your £1000 looks like it would actually provide a much larger army then you state.
Expensive, yes, very expensive, but why make-up numbers? :?
Oh dear, sarcasm and exaggerations are staples of the british way of being, but even so why would any sane person pay £160 for 30 models full of airholes?
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All I know is I blame you Pete for me putting together five mkIII marines with five more on the go....
Well it's not your fault. 30k has always been my millenia of choice if I'm being honest.
;)
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Oh dear, sarcasm and exaggerations are staples of the british way of being, but even so why would any sane person pay £160 for 30 models full of airholes?
I don't recall exaggeration being a feature 'of the british (sic) way of being' - quite the contrary in fact. Still, perhaps that was your self proclaimed sarcasm in action lol
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£160 for 30 space mrines, equalling about 1/5 of the minis needed? lol lol lol lol lol
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£160 for 30 space mrines, equalling about 1/5 of the minis needed? lol lol lol lol lol
Which, to be honest, and scary, because of it only being 1/5, it actually is close to £1000...not including vehicles, basing materials, characters, etc etc...so you might actually be over £1000...wow, that's 2400 French Napoleonic plastic figures, compared to 150-200 badly cast and fragile forge world models.
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Which, to be honest, and scary, because of it only being 1/5, it actually is close to £1000...not including vehicles, basing materials, characters, etc etc...so you might actually be over £1000...wow, that's 2400 French Napoleonic plastic figures, compared to 150-200 badly cast and fragile forge world models.
I'd say you can have the best games with just 30-40 figures and the bunker rules, less if you use 2ed (although you'll have to fiddle up your own special rules for those).
So while FW can get quite expensive quite quickly, it is less of a moneypit than you make it out (and better value, IMHO, than regular GW). Also, out of several dozen FW kits I assembled and painted to date, I only had a single bad one (albeit really bad), but they replaced it within 48 hours by courier, free of charge, and I got to keep the usable bits from the defective kits. Good customer service in my book, far better than with regular GW.
It's less acceptable with the Finecast stuff, which I have found to be far less reliable quality-wise, which IMHO is not acceptable for a product which is supposed to be a regular-run kit (as per GW marketing lol).
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I'd say you can have the best games with just 30-40 figures and the bunker rules, less if you use 2ed (although you'll have to fiddle up your own special rules for those).
So while FW can get quite expensive quite quickly, it is less of a moneypit than you make it out (and better value, IMHO, than regular GW). Also, out of several dozen FW kits I assembled and painted to date, I only had a single bad one (albeit really bad), but they replaced it within 48 hours by courier, free of charge, and I got to keep the usable bits from the defective kits. Good customer service in my book, far better than with regular GW.
It's less acceptable with the Finecast stuff, which I have found to be far less reliable quality-wise, which IMHO is not acceptable for a product which is supposed to be a regular-run kit (as per GW marketing lol).
I agree with this for sure.
Fun Fact:
A pack of Forge World's Legion Plasma or Melta Guns cost less than a pack of Citadel's metal versions, with mre than double the weapons. (And if there should be issues with the casts, you get more free of charge :D)
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That's what I'm doing with mine, the beaky armour was a prototype at the start of the heresy and wasen't issued in big numbers till the fighting had really kicked off, priority was given to the legions who were at the massacre. and it's easy to convert the current plastic marines to heresy, thrim the ridges off shoulderpades and stick bumps all over the armour.
This might help clarify matters:
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Power_Armour#Mark_5_.22Heresy_Armour.22
For myself I'm looking to have a few combat squads of various MK's in heresy pattern. First is a unit of MK III's (Legion undecided yet), second unit are in Corvus MKVI armour with a MKIII based articifer as squad leader.
Advice from an old player and heresy fan is don't get hung up on GW steer towards early marks and remember that during the seige of Terra even MKVII's were in operation and production on both sides.
The Commander
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Just to bring this back from the dead! Has any one used modern Chaos Marines with backpack/headswaps?
Seem pretty close
(Haven't bought the book yet!)
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At times yes Pete.
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The chaos backpack does appear in one of the Death Guard pictures. So go for it :)
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Wife has ordered me the book for my Birthday. Hopefully I'm 'allowed' to have it when it arrives and not have to wait!
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Wife has ordered me the book for my Birthday. Hopefully I'm 'allowed' to have it when it arrives and not have to wait!
Denial would surely count as cruel and unusual punishment!
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Denial would surely count as cruel and unusual punishment!
So you've met my wife
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I understand she speaks very highly of you though ;)
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I understand she speaks very highly of you though ;)
she doesn't, no-one does, ever.
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Got the Betrayal book yesterday. I have to say, its huge lump.
I'll try and read it some more this weekend and give you my opinion (for what its worth)
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I don't have the book myself but a friend at the club does so I've read it through and it's a beautiful book with some interesting rules. I don't think it's worth £70 though but the price is the only negative thing I have to say about it.
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Horus Heresy: Betrayal is without doubt the prettiest rule book I have ever owned. I'm not talking about gamers porn inside, I'm talking about just the look of it. Its like picking up an official history of the betrayal written by the adeptus scriptarius* after the war. *(I think I've made that up)
Loads of fluff at the start, well written, not your usual GW vomit fest. I would assume they've made a conscious decision to pitch this at the right audience (older saddos with disposable income rather than teenagers).
Really nice ideas for campaign games, I want to read more of this but what I did look at was very interesting.
The 4 legions covered get quite a lot of coverage with colour plates for the tanks and armour.
The army lists are great, loads of options to mess around with, I could feel my urge to create the ultimate army twitch as I read them, always a good sign.
So its expensive but is it worth £70?
I think its biggest drawback is that it is incredibly none user friendly. I don't mean its layout, I mean its weight. Even sat in a chair reading it was putting a strain on my back. From a players point of view it might of been better to split the fluff and lists into 2 volumes (sold as one item) but what would that of done to the cost?
I personally don't think its worth £70. I do however like it a lot!
In my opinion its overpriced by about £10, but I don't regret buying it.
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In my opinion its overpriced by about £10, but I don't regret buying it.
Especially as you didn't buy it, but got given it for your birthday. ;)
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Well true although I wouldn't of regretted it even if I had bought it with my.....
Hold on, my wife got me to order it on her behalf!
She owes me £70!!
I'll never see that again will I
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Well true although I wouldn't of regretted it even if I had bought it with my.....
Hold on, my wife got me to order it on her behalf!
She owes me £70!!
I'll never see that again will I
Nope, you're clearly an easy touch ;)
Still Book 2 (Massacre) is due out for UK Games Day so you could try for double or quits...
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I don't have the book myself but a friend at the club does so I've read it through and it's a beautiful book with some interesting rules. I don't think it's worth £70 though but the price is the only negative thing I have to say about it.
Would've like more internal illustrations. most of the internal art is FW minis arranged and given the B+W photo treatment which is cool the first 5 times you see it. Page 237 with photo number 189, you've seen enough