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Miniatures Adventure => Age of the Big Battalions => Topic started by: joroas on March 29, 2013, 07:56:05 AM
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They've changed the front cover ???
cheers
James
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Well, the rifleman is the sweetener figure.......
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I thought the figure was the ensign ???
cheers
James
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No, that was Vol 1 on the Peninsular War....... This is Vol 2: Waterloo....... :o
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Always room for a few more add-ons... ::)
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No, that was Vol 1 on the Peninsular War....... This is Vol 2: Waterloo....... :o
Ah...
That was quick
cheers
James
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Well, Warlord seem to have attracted a decent team of designers who seem to churn stuff out...... :o
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Another strange one on the plastics front. I always seen plastics as the way to get large armies quick. How many boxes of Polish would you actually need before you go oh i have enough.
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Well, The Vistula Legion was three regiments of Infantry and one of Lancers, so two boxes and a command pack will do...... o_o
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Presumably these are not necessarily restricted in their use to the Vistula legion
I assume that wearing the Czapka they will be fine for Duchy of Warsaw line????
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Not sure whether there are separate heads, but it seems that the Flank Co's have czapskas and the Line have Shakoes......
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I really like the Sapper :)
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will be getting the book!
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Hmm,
If I am not mistaken all companies should have czapskas, right?
And is it just me or are these "just" their plastic French with new heads?
Cheers,
Burkhard
P.S.: Am I the only one who finds it funny that the cover of the Waterloo book only features Perry minis and no Warlord ones!
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it says on the box (plastic and metal)
these are basically french with metal heads, so this wasn't much of a tooling effort.....
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I assume the troops are plastic and command is metal, that is the usual Warlord way.
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I must admit that I thought that the Polish troops were wearing the Kurta (sp?) jacket which had the lapels closed all the way down - certainly by the time they went to the Peninsular.
Seems like a poor choice for a conversion from their French infantry - if that is what it is
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Hmm,
If I am not mistaken all companies should have czapskas, right?
And is it just me or are these "just" their plastic French with new heads?
I must admit that I thought that the Polish troops were wearing the Kurta (sp?) jacket which had the lapels closed all the way down - certainly by the time they went to the Peninsular.
Seems like a poor choice for a conversion from their French infantry - if that is what it is
I might be wrong, because I’m far from being a Napoleonic Uniforms expert, but I find these "Polish" figures very odd… I too would expect all the troop to wear czapskas and the close coat (like the Bavarian one). Also, the box art seem odd as well with troopers in long tailed coat and the drummer in the 1812 Bardin regulation Livrée Impériale…
I liked their French Infantry but really dislike the fact that single sprues are so expensive (considering they are unboxed, plastic figures…)
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HURRAY! finally Waterloo, at last I can have rules that are biased towards the useless British and that knock everyone else who actually fought in that campaign....
And HURRAY! plastic polish that are almost as expensive as the metals from front rank miniatures.....Jesus Christ warlord.
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Calimero, you ate right. I did some checking, the drummer is 1812, but the rest wear much older uniforms......
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Actually the shakos are correct for the Vistula legion, but the coats and shaking plates are wrong. http://empire.histofig.com/IMG/jpg/pologne02.jpg (http://empire.histofig.com/IMG/jpg/pologne02.jpg)
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So, basically, this is an attempt on scoring some extra money on an existing set of sprues, ignoring all existing references to actual uniforms (and 'cleverly' disguising the fly-away lapels on the grenadier by painting the waistcoat in the lapel-colour - a feature forgotten in the box art).
Certainly not cricket. :-[
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I was all enthused when I saw these. Cheap plastic Poles, decent sculpts - just when I'm on the lookout for a little variety to add to my French.
Then, hmmm, something's not right. Box art was a clue then, shakos, cuffs.....I'm no expert, but I'd like the figs to be accurate. I know the uniforms changed a bit and the unit wore many items of French kit but overall something is lacking.
http://empire.histofig.com/Vistula-Legion.html (http://empire.histofig.com/Vistula-Legion.html)
C'mon Warlord....tell me I'm wrong!
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Ok....
So I may be wrong.....
http://translate.google.com.au/translate?hl=en&sl=pl&u=http://www.skh.wat.edu.pl/index.php/mundury-legii-nadw&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://www.skh.wat.edu.pl/index.php/mundury-legii-nadw/%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3DbIw%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26biw%3D1467%26bih%3D692&sa=X&ei=R9pWUYjqGvGTiAfahICYDQ&sqi=2&ved=0CDEQ7gEwAA (http://translate.google.com.au/translate?hl=en&sl=pl&u=http://www.skh.wat.edu.pl/index.php/mundury-legii-nadw&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://www.skh.wat.edu.pl/index.php/mundury-legii-nadw/%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3DbIw%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26biw%3D1467%26bih%3D692&sa=X&ei=R9pWUYjqGvGTiAfahICYDQ&sqi=2&ved=0CDEQ7gEwAA)
See TMP http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=300798 (http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=300798)for more background. I think that there is sufficient variance in the uniform worn and sufficient evidence in the above for me to buy a box, along with a slice of humble pie!
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This is what Paul from Warlord posted on TMP the other day when it came to historical accuracy:
Afternoon gents,
We researched these extensively, aided and abetted by Polish speakers and their Polish language reference books. We chose to go with the uniforms as depicted in Gembarzewski's mighty tome on the subject (don't ask me the title – it's in Polish!). It's worth noting that the sculptor is also Polish and relied on help from contacts back in his homeland in addition to Gembarzewski.
Rest assured, these miniatures are correct – as much as we can know of something that happened so long ago. Don't forget the Vistula Legion, whilst equipped largely in the French uniforms were proud of their Polish roots and often sought to exhibit this in their attire.
We're very pleased with the result of this set and especially Peter Dennis' box art.
Cheers and Happy Easter!
Paul
Honestly... This left me deeply in doubt. Essentially what he said is: "We have the info from a book I can not name and it is supported by unnamed contacts of the sculptor. But all are from Poland so it must be correct." If you supply sources like that in a scientific paper it would get smashed and basically... The first step for sculpting minis is historic (=scientific) research.
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Bronislaw Gembarzewski was an officer in both the Imperial Russian and Polish armies and a founder/director of the Warsaw military museum. His research is considered very very good he was able to use a lot of material and original pieces that were later lost during world war II.
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Rest assured, these miniatures are correct – as much as we can know of something that happened so long ago.
Hmmm. Sounds like a bit of a disclaimer there. I suspect the cheapness and ease of using existing sprues has more to do with how they look here. Typical Warlord, to be honest, nearly all their "new" barbarian types use those old Celt bodies still.
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Well, the rifleman is the sweetener figure.......
Swift and Bold ;)
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Hmmm. Sounds like a bit of a disclaimer there. I suspect the cheapness and ease of using existing sprues has more to do with how they look here. Typical Warlord, to be honest, nearly all their "new" barbarian types use those old Celt bodies still.
I was going to say - regurgitated models with a couple metal command minis, or swapped heads is...well, it's the Warlord way. I can't express how pissed I was (before understanding how warlord works...) when I originally ordered a box of each ECW faction..only to find it was the same damn sprues with different sticker flags tossed in the box.
I want to like Warlord stuff but I get so damn tired of their shady practices...I haven't bought anything else since.
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For what it's worth, Roger Murrow is going to release some Vistula Legion figures later this year in his Muraswki range. The figures will be sculpted by Paul Hicks, who already did Roger's superb Duchy of Warsaw figures.
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http://www.frontrank.com/2_9_lev3_Napoleonic_Polish.asp
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Another strange one on the plastics front. I always seen plastics as the way to get large armies quick. How many boxes of Polish would you actually need before you go oh i have enough.
Going by warlords info you need 6 max.
3 regiments of 2 battalion each (meaning 6 battalions)
Each battalion being 6 companies of 140 men (840 total)
Black powder is around a 25-1 ratio for infantry so each battalion is 33.6 models (or 32-34 rounding)
Each box is 36 models so that's 6 boxes and leaving you 12-24 spares.
Simple.
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For what it's worth, Roger Murrow is going to release some Vistula Legion figures later this year in his Muraswki range. The figures will be sculpted by Paul Hicks, who already did Roger's superb Duchy of Warsaw figures.
I picked up a sample of the Muraski Poles with my last Eureka order and I have to say they are fantastic. I am afraid I will fail my discipline test and order a load of them before long despite the fact that I have piles of unpainted napoleonics sitting around already.
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Is there only one Paul Hicks? Can he be cloned? :D
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Is there only one Paul Hicks? Can he be cloned? :D
Nope, but he happens to be the reincarnation of the goddess Mahakali (the ten-armed version, that is, as opposed to the four-armed Kali, who clearly can't match Paul's output).
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ve-m593m8j4/UKdDsTv_kpI/AAAAAAAAAcw/3oXYxMYgu4E/s1600/qwe.jpg)
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Hmm... the Front Rank minis have the closed lapels but not (as far as I can see from the small pics) extended all the way down to the waist, as is the most common variety in illustrations.
I don't know what is more correct...
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Warlord also have a Polish sculptor on staff, which I am sure helped.
I do trust them on these, and can imagine they will end up in my army at some point!
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Oh man, Paul Hicks VL, like his DoW ones. I'm in finally the French can have some interesting reinforcements in the Penninsula!
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I have received my box and had a quick gander at it.
I'll knock up some shots and a full description shortly.
There are plenty heads, mostly in shakos rather then czapka, but there at least 10 or so of these plus a few bearskins and pokalems.
There are 4 metal figs, 2 Officers, a Sapper and a Drummer.
Full review to follow....
:)
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anyone know how they compare to offensive one ?
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Ok,
Review time.
Opening the box there are 8 sprues of plastic figures.
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There are 4 metal command figures and a selection of metal heads.
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The bad news is indeed that the plastic figure sprues are the Warlord French.
Each sprue has 3 centre co figs and one flank co fig. As you can see there are 7 czapka heads and 11 shako heads with the sunburst patter plate. The other heads are French shako with the lozenge plate which features an eagle or number 2 or 3.
The metal figures are two officers, a drummer and sapper. These are nice and have plenty of relief for painting. The drummer is in the imperial livery.
Relief on the plastic figures is perhaps a little lighter than on the Perry plastics, but is similar to the Victrix figs.
I make the figs approx 28mm foot to eye and overall they are probably less chunky than Front Rank but slightly more so than Perry.
All poses are march attack and the only assembly required is the head and the pack. These latter pieces are marked with Imperial "N", bugle or grenade.
Ok now for a comparison with the uniforms!
As these figures are based on "mid" French they have the long coat with square cuffs. There is nothing obviously " Polish" about the uniform other than the metal czapka. Warlord have said that this is because the Vistula Legion was equipped from a variety of sources including French regular line uniforms. Unlike other Polish regiments this does seem to have been the case, and a trawl through various Google sources seems to back this up, or at least confirm that uniform varied quite a bit.
(http://i589.photobucket.com/albums/ss339/s_insch/67afa874eb3b06acb743e6a5ef6aeec7_zpsbe98a95f.jpg)
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Overall they are nice figures, quick to assemble - but the metal head/plastic body interface is a fiddle to fix and probably needs a pin to make secure. The uniforms are a real mix - 1812 drummer, 1807/8 inf in long coat not kurta. I know Warlord say they've got a Polish expert advising on the uniform and I've read their notes on the figures but I can't help feeling disappointed by them - I think they've tried to cover too many bases here.
They'll paint up well and if you are not a button counter then you won't be too worried. If you are you will give these a body swerve. If like me you are somewhat inbetween you will be trying work out how to use them somehow!
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Thanks for the review, those do look good, and with the various points/counterpoints I think you've summed it up quite well as to usage. Probably will get two boxes myself for my French Army - I think they're "Just Historical Enough" for me! :D
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Many thanks for the review and pics. Definitely take a swerve to miss these recycled French....
As others have said, the Murowski Poles are fantastic....so give them a try!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Never was a fan much of the warlord French, and the laziness of these really puts me off, I can't stand plastic-metal combi models much, and with the price, uniform and just general laziness I'm not suprised allot of the comments and opinions of these are underwhelmed customers.
I also wonder from previous warlord experience if the metal command are tiny in comparison to the plastics?, hard to tell from pics.
Another letdown honestly, I was hoping plastic bodies and heads, with just the command in metal, which still would not make me buy them, I'm just not into the whole leather bondage thigh high boots thing these French seem to love showing off.
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According to my sources stockists are avoiding these WL Poles. I'd quite like some Poles to add to my French but not these
I've just picked up my copy of the AT2 and very nice it is too. I have to declare a vested interest though as i get an honourable mention by Ady Mc (playtesting)