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Title: Perry Desert Rats Frames
Post by: Arthur on April 07, 2013, 04:56:30 PM
Just uploaded on the Perry Website. There will also be the usual 3-box deal with a couple of bonus metal figures (see below) :

(http://www.perry-miniatures.com/images/Command%20frame%20(2)%20copy.jpg)
(http://www.perry-miniatures.com/images/Inf%20Frame.jpg)
(http://www.perry-miniatures.com/images/DR%2028s%201.jpg)
(http://www.perry-miniatures.com/images/ww2/3_box_Deal_.jpg)
Title: Re: Perry Desert Rats Frames
Post by: former user on April 07, 2013, 05:10:30 PM
WOW
now please extra sprue with french hats and weapons!
Title: Re: Perry Desert Rats Frames
Post by: flags_of_war on April 07, 2013, 06:30:11 PM
They look great :)
Title: Re: Perry Desert Rats Frames
Post by: Captain Blood on April 07, 2013, 07:18:30 PM
Well they've certainly squeezed a lot onto that main sprue :o
I'm guessing the 6 UPO blobs either side of the central spine / joint of the frame (three above left, three below right) must be the LRDG / SAS heads? Nice... I'm looking forward to seeing what I can do with these...
Title: Re: Perry Desert Rats Frames
Post by: flags_of_war on April 07, 2013, 07:29:31 PM
Let's hope they do more WW2 as frank 38 figures for £18 is amazing when you think of what Warlord charge. These guys are not doing squats either :)
Title: Re: Perry Desert Rats Frames
Post by: Captain Blood on April 07, 2013, 07:33:50 PM
Amen to that (on all counts)  ;)
Title: Re: Perry Desert Rats Frames
Post by: aircav on April 07, 2013, 07:56:11 PM
I'm liking those a lot   :D
Title: Re: Perry Desert Rats Frames
Post by: hugomf on April 07, 2013, 07:59:57 PM
Certainly getting a box of these fine lads at Salute! Exquisite looking.  :o
Title: Re: Perry Desert Rats Frames
Post by: Silent Invader on April 07, 2013, 08:19:58 PM
I'm pleased the helmets are mostly separate as I am thinking about making an airlanding glider-load (or 2) for Siciliy - will mean making and casting some airborne pots and picking up some stens (from TAG) but everything else looks good to go!
Title: Re: Perry Desert Rats Frames
Post by: pauld on April 07, 2013, 08:53:40 PM
Ka-chingg!

there goes another £20
Title: Re: Perry Desert Rats Frames
Post by: Smillie on April 07, 2013, 11:57:50 PM
Balls. I wasn't interested in these and now I really am  :-*
Title: Re: Perry Desert Rats Frames
Post by: Blackwolf on April 08, 2013, 12:03:56 AM
Well they've certainly squeezed a lot onto that main sprue :o
I'm guessing the 6 UPO blobs either side of the central spine / joint of the frame (three above left, three below right) must be the LRDG / SAS heads? Nice... I'm looking forward to seeing what I can do with these...

Hopefully if this is the case we will get some,wait for it...Separate legs with long trousers, for the LRDG/SAS bits?
Title: Re: Perry Desert Rats Frames
Post by: former user on April 08, 2013, 07:17:09 AM
Separate legs with long trousers, for the LRDG/SAS bits?

shouldn't the warlord plastics work for conversions?
Title: Re: Perry Desert Rats Frames
Post by: joroas on April 08, 2013, 07:19:11 AM
Quote
Ka-chingg!

there goes another £20

£18!  :D
Title: Re: Perry Desert Rats Frames
Post by: carlos marighela on April 08, 2013, 10:09:49 AM
Order a company's worth and get a brigade commander and army group commander? Look like these are designed for FoW  lol

Seriously though, these are really lovely. Pity the bonus figures aren't O'Çonnor, the Auk or 'Strafer' Gott. I'd love a miniature of the Auk.

Actually, I'd really love an Evelyn Waugh character set, Guy Crouchback, Brigadier Ritchie-Hook and Trimmer.
Title: Re: Perry Desert Rats Frames
Post by: former user on April 08, 2013, 10:20:55 AM
I understand that the company offer includes 18 regular sprues, 3 command sprues and the bonus metals.

Since I am not interested in the British per se, I'b be willing to share in a company order,
pursuing 1 command sprue and a negotiable number of standard sprues.

Anyone?
Title: Re: Perry Desert Rats Frames
Post by: Hildred Castaigne on April 08, 2013, 11:01:37 AM
Very nice, cannot wait to see the German sprues when they get shown, hopefully they'll do some plastic yanks in the future.
Fingers crossed!
Title: Re: Perry Desert Rats Frames
Post by: Nighthawk on April 08, 2013, 11:55:58 PM
Hmm, very nice can't wait. I wonder how they will match up to the rest of my collection. Be very interesting in seeing that.
Title: Re: Perry Desert Rats Frames
Post by: Blackwolf on April 09, 2013, 06:32:17 AM
shouldn't the warlord plastics work for conversions?

'Fraid not,they are a bit odd :)
Title: Re: Perry Desert Rats Frames
Post by: aircav on April 09, 2013, 07:56:08 AM
I'm pleased the helmets are mostly separate as I am thinking about making an airlanding glider-load (or 2) for Siciliy - will mean making and casting some airborne pots and picking up some stens (from TAG) but everything else looks good to go!

There are stens on the warlord plastic sprue Steve, I have 2(Edit: make that 4) that you can have  :D
Title: Re: Perry Desert Rats Frames
Post by: Silent Invader on April 09, 2013, 09:05:44 AM
There are stens on the warlord plastic sprue Steve, I have 2 that you can have  :D

Thanks Keith ... You're a gent.   :)
Title: Re: Perry Desert Rats Frames
Post by: former user on April 09, 2013, 09:10:14 AM
we can also share in one or two of the sprues, if You need more
Title: Re: Perry Desert Rats Frames
Post by: Atheling on April 10, 2013, 02:47:36 PM
Lovely stuff yet again  :-* :-* :-*

Darrell.
Title: Re: Perry Desert Rats Frames
Post by: flags_of_war on April 10, 2013, 03:29:23 PM
I just stopped myself getting the 3 boxes as i need a new project like a whole in the head and no one in the club seems interested in doing North Africa in 28mm :(
Title: Re: Perry Desert Rats Frames
Post by: Atheling on April 10, 2013, 04:10:21 PM
I just stopped myself getting the 3 boxes as i need a new project like a whole in the head and no one in the club seems interested in doing North Africa in 28mm :(

You must make them  lol.

Darrell.
Title: Re: Perry Desert Rats Frames
Post by: flags_of_war on April 10, 2013, 04:55:54 PM
You must make them  lol.

Darrell.

They prefer to play Flames of War with the desert. I might get some later to use in VBCW but i have enough projects on just now. I have a large order of British and German paras coming from Col Bill as well to keep me busy :)
Title: Re: Perry Desert Rats Frames
Post by: Atheling on April 10, 2013, 05:02:03 PM
They prefer to play Flames of War with the desert. I might get some later to use in VBCW but i have enough projects on just now. I have a large order of British and German paras coming from Col Bill as well to keep me busy :)

Yeah, but just imagine that SAS raid on that German airfield  lol.

I do know what you mean though.

Darrell.
Title: Re: Perry Desert Rats Frames
Post by: Mahwell skel on April 10, 2013, 07:03:25 PM
Well they do look nice. 1 box is enough for a reasonable Bolt Action force isn't it with perhaps an MG and a Mortar?

Are they planning any Support options other than those in the box?

I spy Italians on the metals workbench that look suspiciously like bodies that could fit on sprues...
Title: Re: Perry Desert Rats Frames
Post by: Hildred Castaigne on April 10, 2013, 08:29:34 PM
Well they do look nice. 1 box is enough for a reasonable Bolt Action force isn't it with perhaps an MG and a Mortar?

Are they planning any Support options other than those in the box?

I spy Italians on the metals workbench that look suspiciously like bodies that could fit on sprues...
A metal sprue...?    ;)
Title: Re: Perry Desert Rats Frames
Post by: grant on April 12, 2013, 01:08:12 AM
Ordered my three boxes to get Monty and the Brigadier (Wavell, maybe?).

I hope they come out with a Vickers and a mortar blister to add to this box.

Also, the Bren carriers look smashing.

With their cooperation with Warlord, don't know if we will see tanks, but if Perry do, I will have to re-mortgage my house.  lol
Title: Re: Perry Desert Rats Frames
Post by: Cholly on April 14, 2013, 12:07:48 PM
These may finally tempt me into WW2. I have to admit I've avoided historical mini's in the main as the accuracy of uniforms has always been a worry for me. Does anyone know if these will have a uniform/insignia guide like the majority of Perry plastics?
Title: Re: Perry Desert Rats Frames
Post by: Atheling on April 14, 2013, 06:53:12 PM
These may finally tempt me into WW2. I have to admit I've avoided historical mini's in the main as the accuracy of uniforms has always been a worry for me. Does anyone know if these will have a uniform/insignia guide like the majority of Perry plastics?

I would imagine so. All the plastic box sets have had a similar guide.

Darrell.

Title: Re: Perry Desert Rats Frames
Post by: former user on April 14, 2013, 07:46:23 PM
accuracy of uniforms has always been a worry for me.

WOW! what would You say about napoleonics if WWII khaki and olive already worries You?  ;)
Title: Re: Perry Desert Rats Frames
Post by: Cholly on April 15, 2013, 09:38:16 AM
@Atheling: Cheers!
@former user: That's why these are such a temptation. I reckon if I can get these guys right (accurate at least) then maybe the I can try my hand at more varied uniforms.
Title: Re: Perry Desert Rats Frames
Post by: Atheling on April 15, 2013, 01:10:51 PM
@Atheling: Cheers!
@former user: That's why these are such a temptation. I reckon if I can get these guys right (accurate at least) then maybe the I can try my hand at more varied uniforms.

The thing to bear in mind when painting up WWII Brits in North African is that there would be some degree of difference between hue and tone of the various parts of the kit. This would be due to slight variations in the hue and tone of the dye not to mention the replacement issue and the bleaching effects of the sun etc.

So, not so much to worry about if you see what I mean? I've got some pretty good recipe's for the Desert Rats. I can post the up here if you're interested?

Darrell.

Title: Re: Perry Desert Rats Frames
Post by: Cholly on April 15, 2013, 01:26:49 PM
@Atheling: That would be aces. The Perry Kits look like a lot of fun to build and paint but as my first foray into hsitorical uniformed mini's I'd like to get them at least vaguely right so any recipe's, guides etc would be a great help.
Cholly
Title: Re: Perry Desert Rats Frames
Post by: former user on April 15, 2013, 01:59:59 PM
Also take into account that Germans would wear Italian uniforms too
French would wear british uniforms
And also both sides wearing non tropical issues and older uniforms

and what other crossovers are possible You better ask specialists

so everything very distinct and precise, like the French army on retreat from Moscow  ;)
Title: Re: Perry Desert Rats Frames
Post by: Hildred Castaigne on April 15, 2013, 02:05:07 PM
Also take into account that Germans would wear Italian uniforms too
French would wear british uniforms
Any reason or just for a bit of fun?
Title: Re: Perry Desert Rats Frames
Post by: former user on April 15, 2013, 02:17:56 PM
I read about it, so partially source, partially educated guess:

firstly the logistical situation of the Axis meant that anything would be worn, including captured British stores (after the fall of Tobruk e.g.).
Then, the Italians had more experience with tropical wear and the Sahariana shirts were sought after - this kind of shirt looks very special compared to other tropicals, with no collar and the shoulder part elongated into pocket flaps in one piece.
There were no tropical greatcoats for the cold night, so greenish for the Axis. Plus the Germans at first were unprepared for NA.

The Free French were cut off from the Vichy supply. Even after conquering stores from Syria and Lebanon, they were part of 8th Army and incorporated into their logistical chain. Pictures show British battledress and French/British tropicals, french/british helmets depending on units, etc. French weapons only in combination with Syrian ammo stores.
What the British had to use from US lend and lease supply I don't know. After the conquest of NA French units were resupplied with US kit, so by the time they were back in France apart from details almost indistinguishable from US troops (save irregulars like Goumiers)

etc
Title: Re: Perry Desert Rats Frames
Post by: Keith on April 15, 2013, 03:48:00 PM
I've some original large-format photographs of German POWs stored away somewhere, and the range of clothing they are wearing is amazing.

Lots of British trousers etc.
Title: Re: Perry Desert Rats Frames
Post by: Atheling on April 15, 2013, 04:17:15 PM
@Atheling: That would be aces. The Perry Kits look like a lot of fun to build and paint but as my first foray into hsitorical uniformed mini's I'd like to get them at least vaguely right so any recipe's, guides etc would be a great help.
Cholly

OK, from memory, but I have painted some up quite recently. I'd post up pics but I don't normally do that unless i have permission off my client- just polite really.

Uniform A- shirt and pants- (all Vallejo Model Color): Desert Yellow as a base. Iraqui Sand as a medium tone (vovering most of the Desert Yellow. Finally a highlight of Dark Sand. With this 'traid' of colour, I varied by adding a little dark grey to all the colours to darken some of the Khaki and a little Off White to lighten some. This gives you a nice variation.

Uniform B- as above- Foundry American Tan (A), Foundry American Tan (B) and finally Foundry American Tan (C). This will give you a different hue than that of the above. A word of warning- when using the Foundry WWII range apply the paint in very thin coats as it is very translucent and if applied too thickly it can blot out some detail.

Uniform C- as above- this is where I got a little experimental- German Pea Pattern (B), German Pea Pattern (C) with a highlight of German Pea Pattern (C) and Vallejo Off White. Don't add too much white!

Jumpers- Vallejo US Field Drab/English Uniform lightened in two more layers with Vallejo Flat Earth.

Webbing- this I left a little darker than it would have been in reality to create some kind of contrast to the uniform. Nothing wrong with a little artistic license. Vallejo German Cammo Beige Highlighted with Vallejo Off white in two more layers.

Anklets/Gaters- as above.

Socks- US Field Drab, highlighted with Flat Earth in two progressive layers.

Helmets- a mix of the Khaki's that I have described above.

If you're not familiar with the weaponry it's a good idea to run a quick google search to get pics of the actual weapons to make sure that you know what's metal and what's wood.

That's about it really  :).

Darrell.

Title: Re: Perry Desert Rats Frames
Post by: Cholly on April 15, 2013, 04:50:53 PM
Atheling, thanks muchly for that. It will definatly help me out when I pick these little beauties up.
Cholly
Title: Re: Perry Desert Rats Frames
Post by: Atheling on April 15, 2013, 04:58:18 PM
Atheling, thanks muchly for that. It will definatly help me out when I pick these little beauties up.
Cholly

No probs.  :)

Darrell.