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Miniatures Adventure => Future Wars => Topic started by: HRE Joseph III on April 14, 2013, 02:13:36 PM
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http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1931671462/ghosts-of-hefei-tabletop-near-future-gang-warfare
We're halfway there and charging toward our goal. We have some really great rewards for those who want to get in on the drive. Remember that all rewards include worldwide shipping!
You can get a 15mm gang for just $6. USD
The printed book is just $20 USD
You can get an electronic copy of Ghosts of Hefei and The Department for $19 USD
We've got a lot of other deals for backers. Why not come on over and get in on the robot-stealing action.
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I know all the cool kids play 15mm, but I'm too heavily invested in 28mm to switch, esp for a skirmish game. What are the chances of seeing more 28mm greens? It's the figs that are going to sell me. Or not.
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I know all the cool kids play 15mm, but I'm too heavily invested in 28mm to switch, esp for a skirmish game. What are the chances of seeing more 28mm greens?
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I don't really need another set of rules either. But I wouldn't mind some more near future street scum and/or civilian types, in 28mm.
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Most of the figures look like they would fit into just about any Post-Apoco scene.
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I know all the cool kids play 15mm, but I'm too heavily invested in 28mm to switch, esp for a skirmish game. What are the chances of seeing more 28mm greens? It's the figs that are going to sell me. Or not.
+2 :)
And also, will it be possible to buy single miniatures in the future? or they will only be sold as gang sets?
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Yep, there's that too. I might be inclined to get all of the hackers from the various gangs but am not very interested in all of the other gang members necessarily. I'm thinking I might get the Russians and the Chinese from the KS.
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Yes, I'm very keen on those hackers. The rest? I don't know yet.
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I already pledged for the 15mm guys!
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Hi Guys,
Thanks for the comments. We do plan on selling individual figures as well as gang sets. The gang sets will be a better value, but our philosophy for this drive has been to offer as much choice as possible, hence our decision to go with both scales.
I would love to provide more sculpts to show, but unfortunately, two of each scale is all we have room for in our pre-kickstarter budget. We're using Kickstarter to actually fund the sculpting and casting of our figure range. If we had the money to produce the range, we would have already done it.
We've funded the sculpts that we have through sales of our previous game out of our own pockets. We've gone to Kickstarter because the range cannot be produced without it.
I know its not the answer you want but that's the reality of the project.
You can see the sculpt we have so far and the the concept art below. I think the sculpts are pretty faithful to the artwork.
Thanks guys,
-Joe
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Not sure if it's possible to get a bit more polished concept art bitz done before the KS closes? If it is, it wouldn't hurt 'cuz the current sketches unfortunately aren't all that appetizing. Personally tho I made my pledge based solely on the hacker figs shown (even after seeing they are from the last sets to get funded). They look very nice and more importantly ubiquitous.
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Now that is something I can get working on. I'll give the concept art a bit more polish this week. Hopefully I can get the Yakuza done this evening.
-Joe
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Interested. Are you going to be at Salute again? Wouldn;t mind getting a hardcopy of the department rules.
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Interested. Are you going to be at Salute again? Wouldn;t mind getting a hardcopy of the department rules.
Blimey!
Will all these planned Salute purchases require a trip to the nearest supermarket first to 'borrow' a shopping trolley?
::)
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Blimey!
Will all these planned Salute purchases require a trip to the nearest supermarket first to 'borrow' a shopping trolley?
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Planned and actually purchased aren't always the same thing ;)
I have had my eye on the department for a while though, mainly because of this thread:
http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=46259.0
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I actually just logged in to see if this kickstarter had been posted.
I hope that more people pledge to it, it looks like a great game, and the buy in can't be beat... $30 for a fully playable game?
It reminds me a bit of the old computer game Syndicate, and I really hope this one makes it.
This is the kind of kickstarter that deserves the support... the ones with great vision, without the funds to complete. That's what kickstarter is supposed to be for in the first place.
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118
backers
$6,600
pledged of $10,000 goal
9
days to go
Getting close to the end date and looking not so sure.
:(
And while I am not interested in the game it seemed like an interesting concept.
Hopefully it will finish strong.
Gracias,
Glenn
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Well, it doesn't look too good but on the plus side it does seem I'll still be able to get my Tong and Ruski hackers even if the KS tanks. That's mighty fine. As is the fact that apparently you will be able to mix and match figs from different sets 8)
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Well, it doesn't look too good but on the plus side it does seem I'll still be able to get my Tong and Ruski hackers even if the KS tanks. That's mighty fine. As is the fact that apparently you will be able to mix and match figs from different sets 8)
The artwork may be lacking a little, but the figures posted look great, especially the 15mm ones. If you figure that a good piece of artwork can cost $100-300, and if the whole point of the kickstarter is to get the game looking better and completed, it makes sense to pledge if you like the general concept and the greens.
It's not like the game is asking a lot in terms of a buy-in. you'd spend more than that on a single box set.
If the kickstarter tanks, the company gets NONE of the money from the kickstarter, and for a small company, that can make the difference between the game going on, and giving up on it.
I have no personal interest in the company, and have never even talked to the guy doing it, but I think that when you look at the 2 million dollar plus kickstarters that are just using it as a shopping cart for recycled ideas, vs the small guys who really need and deserve your support to get off the ground, it's clear where you should be putting your money.
Smaller companies with good ideas can really use your support, especially in the age of the mege-kickstarter, and a difficulty getting e-sales outside of that web site.
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Hi Guys,
Thanks Repo man for the support. You're right, we're a very small company (just 5 guys spread between the US and Europe)and we're working hard to make the game a reality.
I take your point about the art and that is something that we're working on. I comission what i can afford out of my pocket and do what painting I can do myself. But I'm more of a graphic designer than an illustrator.
If the Kickstarter does not succeed, we will continue on with the game, it will just take a lot longer to produce the range that we want to do. What we have now is two sculpts in each scale, the oni figure is cast and we are working on the rules. We'll have to do this the old fashion way and gradually fund the range with existing sales.
The game will be made regardless of the kickstarter, you just may have to put up with more of my artwork. :)
But we're not done yet. I worked on the Goalsystem Delves campaign and that made $2500 in two days, so I'm still confident that this can be done.
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We've changed the figure selection options for all backer levels that contain figures. We've moved to a more Ala Carte model.
As is stands if we don't make any of the strech goals, we will be producing 10 figures. We've decided to cast up the Russian and Tong hackers along with the 6 Yakuza gang members. We are also producing custom figures for the two premium backers we have so far.
What we are going to do is allow backers to customize which figures they would like along with their pledge. So you won't be limited to multiples of the Yakuza if your pledge includes several gangs.
So if you purchased two gang sets you can select 12 figures in whatever combination of figures that you want. You could select 1 Yakuza boss, 6 fabricants, 2 yakuza hackers and 3 of the special characters.
Here is the first of those special characters. This figure will be sculpted as part of our initial goal and all backers can choose this figure as part of their rewards.
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The artwork may be lacking a little, but the figures posted look great, especially the 15mm ones. If you figure that a good piece of artwork can cost $100-300, and if the whole point of the kickstarter is to get the game looking better and completed, it makes sense to pledge if you like the general concept and the greens.
It's not like the game is asking a lot in terms of a buy-in. you'd spend more than that on a single box set.
If the kickstarter tanks, the company gets NONE of the money from the kickstarter, and for a small company, that can make the difference between the game going on, and giving up on it.
I have no personal interest in the company, and have never even talked to the guy doing it, but I think that when you look at the 2 million dollar plus kickstarters that are just using it as a shopping cart for recycled ideas, vs the small guys who really need and deserve your support to get off the ground, it's clear where you should be putting your money.
Smaller companies with good ideas can really use your support, especially in the age of the mege-kickstarter, and a difficulty getting e-sales outside of that web site.
Preaching to choir, mate.
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Per the request on some forums, I've painted up some of Dave's concept art for the Yakuza. Hopefully this will give people a better idea what we are trying to do in terms of miniatures.
and speaking of miniatures, there was a great idea by a backer on the comments section. As of now, you can select the existing Department miniatures as part of your reward. These are 15mm only (sorry 28mm guys). But if you are into 15mm, you have 16 figures to choose from!
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1931671462/ghosts-of-hefei-tabletop-near-future-gang-warfare (http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1931671462/ghosts-of-hefei-tabletop-near-future-gang-warfare)
You can see more of the department figures below.
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Per the request on some forums, I've painted up some of Dave's concept art for the Yakuza. Hopefully this will give people a better idea what we are trying to do in terms of miniatures
Yep, it does. I see no significant movement in the KS pledge level over the last week or so but hopefully this new concept will inspire at least a few more people to join in.
I like the Yakuza hacker kidz idea a lot, hoping to see (and be able to get) the minis soon.
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Decided that 20$ for two gangs and rules is pretty damn awesome, especially with international shipping being included.
Also, is it me or would the rebel minis Shalur Mercenaries make for some pretty good replicants. Now I havn't read the rules yet of course but seems to me that with a game set in a city known for being full of replicants having a bucketload of the things on hand could be useful, even if just for having a few scrapped ones lying around as scenery.
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The artwork may be lacking a little, but the figures posted look great, especially the 15mm ones. If you figure that a good piece of artwork can cost $100-300, and if the whole point of the kickstarter is to get the game looking better and completed, it makes sense to pledge if you like the general concept and the greens.
It's not like the game is asking a lot in terms of a buy-in. you'd spend more than that on a single box set.
If the kickstarter tanks, the company gets NONE of the money from the kickstarter, and for a small company, that can make the difference between the game going on, and giving up on it.
I have no personal interest in the company, and have never even talked to the guy doing it, but I think that when you look at the 2 million dollar plus kickstarters that are just using it as a shopping cart for recycled ideas, vs the small guys who really need and deserve your support to get off the ground, it's clear where you should be putting your money.
Smaller companies with good ideas can really use your support, especially in the age of the mege-kickstarter, and a difficulty getting e-sales outside of that web site.
Allow me to respectfully disagree with you:
1) "... it makes sense to pledge if you like the general concept and the greens..."
Actually no. I have been playing (not counting toy soldiers since the 1950s) table top miniature war games since the 1970s and I am at the point where I am preparing for retirement (reducing miniatures/games) by focusing on what meets my goals for the remaining (hopefully) 20 plus years of living.
2) "... you'd spend more than that on a single box set..."
The number of times I have bought a boxed set was once for the Halo Terrain. Regretted it afterwards. I am not a "corporate kid" for pretty much anything in my life but especially not war games. Built all my own worlds for OD&D type thing. I buy to fill niches and develop settings.
3) "...when you look at the 2 million dollar plus kickstarters that are just using it as a shopping cart for recycled ideas, vs the small guys who really need and deserve your support to get off the ground, it's clear where you should be putting your money..."
Hell, no, it isn't. I should put my money where my interests are - unrepentant free market capitalist that I am, I should only buy what fits my interests and artistic preferences.
4) "... smaller companies with good ideas can really use your support, especially in the age of the mege-kickstarter, and a difficulty getting e-sales outside of that web site...."
I haven't seen more than three that have inspired my money so far. And at least one of those would probably fir your idea of "recycled ideas" but it put several wants into one "buy-in" amount of money.
If they can't sell the idea they don't deserve my money.
Gracias,
Glenn
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My opinion is it's an excellent idea that needs more substance. I don't need a t-shirt or another set of rules, but as previously mentioned, I'm certainly interested in good 28mm cyberpunk/urban figs. I'm just not sufficiently convinced to plunk down $$$.
Perhaps this project needs to be reassessed and approached in smaller increments.
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My opinion is it's an excellent idea that needs more substance. I don't need a t-shirt or another set of rules, but as previously mentioned, I'm certainly interested in good 28mm cyberpunk/urban figs. I'm just not sufficiently convinced to plunk down $$$.
Perhaps this project needs to be reassessed and approached in smaller increments.
A fair evaluation and response. Very well said.
Despite my criticism, I wish them success.
Gracias,
Glenn
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The KS has picked up somewhat 8)
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Yep the Kickstarter has picked up somewhat. We can still make it, so don't be shy about pledging. :)
In the meantime, we have a cool freebie for everyone to use in Hefei and other cyberpunk games.
Everyone loves signs, and here is a whole page of them. All you need to do is print them, cut them out and stick them to some foamcore. These will add cool cyberpunk accents for your gaming table.
You can download the file from the Kickstarter. It comes as a printable PDF
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1931671462/ghosts-of-hefei-tabletop-near-future-gang-warfare/posts/463083
here is a low res preview
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Google translated Chinese -- such fun, I'm sure! 8)
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ouch! lol
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Nice... very Blade Runner.
"Signs were created with Google Translate and may be wildly inaccurate"... hey, turnabout is fair play: Asians butcher English so often. Maybe if we all make embarrassing mistakes in each others' languages and just laugh about it, it'll all be okay :)
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Is this gonna make funding? Seems a steep climb for the last few days.
Great shame if it doesn't. Come on 15mm heads man up!!! :D
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We have a last minute addition to our figure selection. These can be mixed and matched with other figure selections. These are 28mm, (sorry 15mm guys)
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1931671462/ghosts-of-hefei-tabletop-near-future-gang-warfare/posts/466047
Are these exclusively for Hefei? No, but they are great for players wanting to portray the Hefei police. The drone in particular will be a great unit in the game, extending hackers' areas of coverage and providing an eye in the sky for the Hefei PD.
So now we have 16 figures in each scale to choose from!
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I don't want to get off topic too much, but what's odd to me, is that you state that it's a company's obligation to convince you to buy their product, but then you go on to say that you don't really buy any products, you prefer to make it all yourself. I think at it's core, that's what we're all doing, but it's nice to have a jump-off point. Look at the number of people who are taking someone else's IP and running with it in the miniatures realm. This board is filled with those sorts of things
I've pledged to this Kickstarter already, and I hope other people will do so as well in the last few days, so that another small company has a shot at getting their foot in the door in a small, niche market.
If you're just complaining about crowdfunding, and then saying only 3 games were good enough to enjoy your support, then make a game that's better, and let's see it. If you're that good of a world builder, I'd love to see your output, and if it's good, I'd offer you my support through buying your products.
Allow me to respectfully disagree with you:
1) "... it makes sense to pledge if you like the general concept and the greens..."
Actually no. I have been playing (not counting toy soldiers since the 1950s) table top miniature war games since the 1970s and I am at the point where I am preparing for retirement (reducing miniatures/games) by focusing on what meets my goals for the remaining (hopefully) 20 plus years of living.
2) "... you'd spend more than that on a single box set..."
The number of times I have bought a boxed set was once for the Halo Terrain. Regretted it afterwards. I am not a "corporate kid" for pretty much anything in my life but especially not war games. Built all my own worlds for OD&D type thing. I buy to fill niches and develop settings.
3) "...when you look at the 2 million dollar plus kickstarters that are just using it as a shopping cart for recycled ideas, vs the small guys who really need and deserve your support to get off the ground, it's clear where you should be putting your money..."
Hell, no, it isn't. I should put my money where my interests are - unrepentant free market capitalist that I am, I should only buy what fits my interests and artistic preferences.
4) "... smaller companies with good ideas can really use your support, especially in the age of the mege-kickstarter, and a difficulty getting e-sales outside of that web site...."
I haven't seen more than three that have inspired my money so far. And at least one of those would probably fir your idea of "recycled ideas" but it put several wants into one "buy-in" amount of money.
If they can't sell the idea they don't deserve my money.
Gracias,
Glenn
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Is this gonna make funding? Seems a steep climb for the last few days
Kicktraq prediction still says "no" so the steep climb isn't steep enough... But there's of course still a bit over two nycthemerons to go.
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One last push and we can do it, folks!
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4 hours left and $700 to go!
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1931671462/ghosts-of-hefei-tabletop-near-future-gang-warfare (http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1931671462/ghosts-of-hefei-tabletop-near-future-gang-warfare)
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Its there by $36.
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We're funded! get in while you can. lots of miniature goodness on offer!
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I don't want to get off topic too much, but what's odd to me, is that you state that it's a company's obligation to convince you to buy their product, but then you go on to say that you don't really buy any products, you prefer to make it all yourself. I think at it's core, that's what we're all doing, but it's nice to have a jump-off point. Look at the number of people who are taking someone else's IP and running with it in the miniatures realm. This board is filled with those sorts of things
Well, you have started down that path so I will reply.
The facts are that as a miniatures gamer since the early to mid 1970's I have a lot (truly too many) figures for all the eras/genres I play and yet have areas,eras, niches where the I see unfulfilled gaps. If I was new to the hobby it might be different because I (foolishly in my youth) bought stuff just because it looked "neat" and I have many miniatures I will never use in a game and now have on my shelves to remind me to focus. Since I game, not collect or paint, this means one of the tasks I want to get done before 2016 is disposing (sell, trade, trash,) of the miniatures I have that are not "core" to what I will be move when I retire and play in retirement.
That would be Spanish and American Historical (about 1680 to 1914, maybe 1938,) battles, Science Fiction not Science Fantasy battles and skirmishes, and "traditional" (Dwarf, Goblin, Gnome, Elf,etc.,) Fantasy battles/skirmishes/FRPG. If it fits in those categories and the company convinces me it complements or supplements my goals in gaming then I would (still do) buy the figures. Many (most?) of the figures being produced may be wonderfu,l (it's very subjective IMO what determines appeal,) but I have no desire to buy something that I am not going to use. And I am not going to say something is wonderful when it is okay at best.
"you prefer to make it all yourself." I don't think I said that, so that is either a misquote or a paraphrase.
I don't make the miniatures. Doing anything to turn a hobby (miniatures, jewelry,) into a vocation would ruin it for me. I see that in 100% of the cases where I know someone who did that. I do insist the miniature meet my wants, "needs," goals, or desires before I put my money down. To do otherwise seems a waste of capital.
I make up the (non-historical) worlds, scenarios, countries, etc., because I find more satisfaction than playing someone else's creations. I have, do, and will buy materials that I can use as inspiration (my box of OD&D modules I have used for adventures in my campaigns in the past is still full.
Hope that clarifies my reasoning in response to the (paraphrasing) "we need to help the start-ups" comments.
Gracias,
Glenn
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If you're just complaining about crowdfunding, and then saying only 3 games were good enough to enjoy your support, then make a game that's better, and let's see it. If you're that good of a world builder, I'd love to see your output, and if it's good, I'd offer you my support through buying your products.
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Crowd funding has a place in product creation/development and I think it is a great resource for many people (who obviously have many interests that I don't,which is fine,) and I have no grief with it as a practice/concept at all.
See my comment about going commercial ruining the time to play I just posted. Never going to happen with me.
I make my games for personal enjoyment and (games and jewelry) sharing with friends and family. I don't want to start making money by producing games or jewelry for people to buy. The jewelry I make for friends/family has been 100% for gifts they want to get or give to their loved ones and I try and keep the costs down to materials and about "minimum wage" (edit: I find they won't take it unless they pay me something for my efforts) for my time. I would rather turn down a request to make some jewelry than make something that would be a "job." Miniatures are even more so something I want to keep strictly "fun" and appealing to me.
I am not in the business or of the philosophy that I have a need to support a company that is making something I don't want.
Edit: You are welcome to play in any of my games (currently far too infrequent for my tastes) if you are in the area. I find it is more the people than the rules/miniatures as a rule - I play in friends games with rules (well, except GW,) that don't appeal to me personally, I just refuse to buy those rules. I play eras/genres they like and I don't, I just refuse to buy miniatures for those.
I am willing to drop this part of the thread and stay on topic if you are. :)
Gracias,
Glenn
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Back to Ghosts of Hefei? It's getting a bit derailed now...
It's funded! Good stuff. Can't wait to see it. I will be doing a cityscape with a mix of old style and modern buildings for Warzone and I think it will be most excellent as a setting for this game.
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Can I just say congratulations - I am really glad this has made it. I love all the goal system rules but could not pledge to this simply because of the amount of other stuff I have on at the moment, combined with a distinct lack of time for new projects. I thought it was a good cause - interesting figures/rules/setting. Who knows, I may be able to dabble in this (or the Department) in future.
John
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We're funded!
Whee!
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We're funded! get in while you can. lots of miniature goodness on offer!
Congratulations! Happy you made it!