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Miniatures Adventure => Future Wars => Topic started by: styx on April 18, 2013, 09:44:37 PM
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Robotech Tactics Kickstarter has started already rolled $100k in just a few hours! Open thy wallets and cry!
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/rrpgt/robotech-rpg-tacticstm
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No Thanks. :)
I am sure those who follow this style of RPG/Game will be interested. :-*
I am trying to reduce my variety of miniatures focuses not increase it. ::) lol
Obviously there are more than sufficient numbers of players to succeed. o_o
I am sure I will see this game in conventions in the near future. :)
I wonder what the record on KS is for largest amount of pledge money collected the fastest? This seems to have met it's goals extremely fast. :o
Gracias,
Glenn
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For the love of God, I hope they have their legal stuff sorted out this time (yes, it's Palladium and not FASA). Certainly don't want to see a repeat of the Harmony Gold drama, not if the renders look that good.
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For the love of God, I hope they have their legal stuff sorted out this time (yes, it's Palladium and not FASA). Certainly don't want to see a repeat of the Harmony Gold drama, not if the renders look that good.
Yeah, that would be really nice. The Robotech fans don't need more disappointment.
Gracias,
Glenn
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For the love of God, I hope they have their legal stuff sorted out this time (yes, it's Palladium and not FASA). Certainly don't want to see a repeat of the Harmony Gold drama, not if the renders look that good.
Yea they are working direct with Palladium, matter of fact much of the artwork for many of the deals is old cover art from the old RPG system. This is good for launch if they can stick to the Dec deadline they promise.
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Backed. Been a Robotech fan fan for 20+ years. Can't wait for Dec.
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I think in part it's the "official" named miniatures and game aspect of the hobby.
Gracias,
Glenn
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but glenn the minis at HLJ are official figures too!
I know. Gamers are not always logical.
Gracias,
Glenn
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at last an intro vid that has quality!
They have harmony gold onboard so i cant see any problems with the legals.
The fact Palladium are involved is the only problem. (rifts was shit)
I do have one question though. With this KS you get a boxed game for $80. you can add stuff to that by paying more money for the extra bits.
Soooooooo why the flying fork should I open my wallet and give these people money for something that does not exist yet, when once its done and dusted and actually exists as a real product with informed reviews and real minis not digi sculpts I can buy the game for $80 with a much more informed purchase decision about what I am actually getting and know exactly when its going to arrive.
Now either I am missing something or there is a shed load of people who are up for buying a coat hanger shaped bridge in sydney I have the deeds for.
Oh and one final thought, if the rules are shit which after seeing Rifts I suspect they will be. There is always LAF's own Elbows macross game which these figs would work for. Oh and another final thought. You can fill out your 1/285 forces dead cheap with quality sculpts from HLJ. They had a huge set of these 1/285 macross gashapon last time I looked going cheap cheap cheap.
Not to mention they are being made as model kits so I can see the japanese market selling these cheaper than in the west.
A smart fella should be able to do this for a fraction of the cost.
Well you still get the freebie upgrades, so far an extra Valkyrie kit has made it and the Destroids was expanded. The other perk of investing is getting it first before the retailers do. I am in, just have to figure out how much I will be.
I also think once people figure out those kits by other makers could work, the prices will rocket up as will the demand.
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still confused. (Im getting old) Look when I bought dreadball I got the ref and the extra figs as a built in component of the retail game.
These guys have a 'you can add X for an extra $20' thing going. So what am I getting for free on the retail version?
How they are doing it is alternate "unlocks" one is at a $ value and the other is a free uprade starting at the $80 set or one of the more expensive ones.
Works like this:
You buy a $80 set
First unlock: $20 for two new destroids
Second Unlock Goal: Free Valkyries (I think one or two, can't recall)
Third Unlock: unlocked the Zentradi Fighters for $20 for 2
Now the next unlock pending is 3 new Pods fre
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Essentially. I'm in just for the miniatures (I have a feeling the final products will get a huge bump from Battletech gamers as they're proper scale). I'll probably end up using them in my own game, but Robotech is Robotech.
I just hate Palladium games and Siembeda...they've really trashed the franchise for years...keeping a stranglehold on it. In fact I may not pledge on this, just because I'd rather buy it from a vendor....I'll wait and watch the bonus tiers. :?
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I'd like to get some of the pods but don't want the game... :(
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The listed scale being 1/285 should make some BT players happy. Be able to use some of the "unseen" figs in there games again and for a good price for a good looking model.
Oh and another final thought. You can fill out your 1/285 forces dead cheap with quality sculpts from HLJ. They had a huge set of these 1/285 macross gashapon last time I looked going cheap cheap cheap.
Can you provide a link? I was unable to locate them on the HLJ site. Thx :-)
Grimm
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cheers. now I get it. So basicly what you add on is half price when the free stuff is taken into the equation.
in theory you can look at it like that, but you don't HAVE to buy any of the add on stuff but FREE is FREE. I know there is going to be so much I will have to pick and choose my fights due to limited budget.
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Actually, it's the $140 pledge that gets the freebies, not the $80. The only thing spending $80 does now is help them hit goals, some of which will undoubtedly be upgrading the basic components of the standard release. If you followed the Relic Knights KS at all then you'll know what to expect, the game and minis and KS is being done by the same people.
And as much as I hate Siembieda and his company, that last bit has me in high hopes for this. It sounds like he's being pretty hands-off with this since he has absolutely no interest in miniature wargaming. It was actually all due to the guys that run Paulson Games and The Robotech Battles blog that this is happening at all, they pushed for a good year to get a Robotech minis game created just because they were fans of Robotech and wanted to see a game made. Even had some pretty awesome prototype figs done for it. Got it all the way to Harmony Gold, who told them they were free to do it if they could get the green light from Palladium. Obviously those talks didn't come to anything except that it convinced Siembieda that there was a market for it. I was initially very worried because at first it seemed like Siembieda had so little interest in it that he was going to go with cheaper casters and half-arse the game, but now obviously they've gone with having an ACTUAL miniatures company produce the game and boy have they decided to go all-out for it. Paulson Games made some FANTASTIC prototypes, but he's one guy working out of his garage and it would have taken him years to do what Soda Pop/Ninja Division can do in weeks and do it in plastic instead of resin.
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Actually, it's the $140 pledge that gets the freebies, not the $80. The only thing spending $80 does now is help them hit goals, some of which will undoubtedly be upgrading the basic components of the standard release. If you followed the Relic Knights KS at all then you'll know what to expect, the game and minis and KS is being done by the same people.
And as much as I hate Siembieda and his company, that last bit has me in high hopes for this. It sounds like he's being pretty hands-off with this since he has absolutely no interest in miniature wargaming. It was actually all due to the guys that run Paulson Games and The Robotech Battles blog that this is happening at all, they pushed for a good year to get a Robotech minis game created just because they were fans of Robotech and wanted to see a game made. Even had some pretty awesome prototype figs done for it. Got it all the way to Harmony Gold, who told them they were free to do it if they could get the green light from Palladium. Obviously those talks didn't come to anything except that it convinced Siembieda that there was a market for it. I was initially very worried because at first it seemed like Siembieda had so little interest in it that he was going to go with cheaper casters and half-arse the game, but now obviously they've gone with having an ACTUAL miniatures company produce the game and boy have they decided to go all-out for it. Paulson Games made some FANTASTIC prototypes, but he's one guy working out of his garage and it would have taken him years to do what Soda Pop/Ninja Division can do in weeks and do it in plastic instead of resin.
Yea, I just found out you have to be in the $140 range to get the perks. It really sucks.
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sorry grimm i sold you a bum steer they are 1/200 but you do get 10 figs for about $11 aud http://www.hlj.com/product/YMT00077/Gsh and http://www.hlj.com/product/YMT00096/ the second set which are about 20 aud a box of ten and the only difference i suspect is the paint jobs.
Looks form the description though it is 12 figs to a box. 3 models in 3 modes each plus 3 surprise figs.
These wont be good for BT players in the standard format but the VF's will be good for a larger BT scale i have been seeing as of late.
Grimm
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I cannot wait to see this, robotech is one of my favouritist things ever, I grew up on drooling over the fact I was witnessing transforming, missile orgy inducing freaking F-14 jets.
I'm just hopeful they do a VF-1D fighter, as it sounds like they won't, despite bring important
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I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who's a bit torn.
I'll plow on with my 1/200 stuff (been slowly building/painting while the project is on hold for SnS)...but I'll definitely look into collecting the minis for this game, maybe even a box or two. If anything, I'll make more of my own rules if their mini rules suck (hope they don't).
My 1/200 project is already 85% done, so I'll knock it out and then see about the 1/285th scale stuff. If we're honest, there is no excuse for this stuff to be so late to the party. Why wasn't this around 10-15 years ago? I really hate the fake-enthusiasm Siembeda seems to have for Robotech. It infuriates me that such a slow moving, non-adapting company has held the reigns of this IP.
"Oh look, a revamped RPG book 25 years after the first! WOOHOO!" The U.S. should have been awash with awesome Robotech toys (and not Exo-Squad rehashes of the early 1990's toys) and games, etc. We got a couple of mediocre video games and a stumbling poorly supported RPG. I hope this game is good enough to renew my faith.
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I got to see some of the pre-production figures for this game at Adepticon yesterday, and they looked pretty good. These were metal figures made off of the masters and not the plastic figures that will come with the game. I'm definitely interested in the figures, but I haven't decided whether I'll pledge in the KS or just wait until they've been released and pick them up then.
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Minis look promising, but very little mention about the game mechanics.
-Tim
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I'm already working on my own rules for use with the mini's...so no worries there. :D
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I have been a huge protoculture addict for as long as I can remember, so I have backed this project to the hilt. Not sure why there seems to be so much concern about the rules, the ninja division team is a pretty high-powered group with plenty of experience and previous success, I can't see them stuffing it up horribly. The initial rules video from adepticon seemed solid.
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I have been a huge protoculture addict for as long as I can remember, so I have backed this project to the hilt. Not sure why there seems to be so much concern about the rules, the ninja division team is a pretty high-powered group with plenty of experience and previous success, I can't see them stuffing it up horribly. The initial rules video from adepticon seemed solid.
They posted a rough demo of the game to give people a general idea on the Kickstarter updates.
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Hook, line and sinker. I'm in. :)
Been a Robotech fan for ages.
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A better look at the Valkyrie stat card can be found here:
http://robotechbattles.blogspot.ca/2013/04/demo-pics-from-adepticon.html
-Tim
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Looks good. I'm personally in for the Battle Cry pledge level.
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I went in at Showdown level, first kickstarter I've backed but well... It's Robotech. Figure even if the stretch goals get comparatively lackluster at this point I'm getting a decent deal. I suspect from here on out it'll likely be purchase add ons and other attempts at 'moar monee' rather than any rewards for backing the project.
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Ninja just opened up "backer" options for free upgrades...200 for the first....extra set of minis!
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/rrpgt/robotech-rpg-tacticstm/posts/464592?ref=email&show_token=15442c0c92c6d063
If you are in the fence, join in now....the extra backers will help everyone out! Hell even if you pitch $1
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...first kickstarter I've backed but well... It's Robotech.
My toughts too.
And it seems like the bonus Destroids will be in, and the Artillery Pods will kick in at 400K wich at this rate seems very likely.
Oh joy. :)
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I am soo tempted by this.
Robotech was my first love. When I was a young boy I got up at the crack of dawn every saturday morning to watch it on Sky.
Unfortunately I have just spend waaay to much money on Zombicide. If I spend any more on this the missus would hunt me down and kill me.
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You can always hide out at my place. ;)
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Still no VF-1D though, they have to do it at some point surely, its a main veritech of episode 1 and can still be used afterwards by players.
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Aye.
Not to mention the male/female powerarmour, Armoured Veritech, Super Veritech and perhaps some of the more conventional earth forces like the Commancero helicopter would be cool. Maybe even some Zentradi troopers in bodyarmour with assault rifles?
Lots of options left.
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Based on the animated series you have:
VT-1D/VF-1D Veritech
VF-1A
VF-1J
VF-1S
Armored Veritech
Super Veritech
Spartan
Tomahawk
Monster
Defender
Phalanx
+Various shuttles/space fighters etc.
Regult Pod
Regult Light Missile Pod
Regult Heavy Missile Pod
Scout Pod
Fighter Pod
Officer's Pod
Male Power Armour
Female Power Armour
"Cyclops" Recon Ship
Light Foot Soldier
Heavy Foot Soldier
+Landing Ships/Shuttles etc.
If anything, it's actually a very small range, with a huge potential variety (different levels of skill for pilots = endless possibilities). I have no doubt eventually the entire line "should" be produced. The VT-1D could very easily be made with a VF-1J modified very simply. There are no substantial differences in the design of the Veritech other than the head (split two-level visor).
^I actually have all of the above in 1/200 scale with the exception of Zentraedi foot soldiers. There is no excuse not to flush out the full line in 1/285. Also, as announced a long time ago Palladium stated firmly they would be doing all three Robotech series (Macross/Southern Cross/Invid). I'm not sure if they're still planning this.
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I just Wonder how much of this stuff will make it on the kickstarter. Guess we'll just ave to wait and see.
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EDIT: They changed the wording since the last time I looked, so it may actually be four destroids...my mistake. That's much better thankfully.
It also makes the destroids $10 a pop...for a single plastic figure. The Veritechs are $15 for three, or half the cost. Remember, at 1/285th the models are scarcely bigger than a 28mm figure. For injected molded plastic models, $10 a piece is getting quite absurd. I'm afraid to see the non-kickstarter price of some of this stuff.
I'm really hoping the stuff will be available from a retailer who can shave some of the cost off. The initial box set/game seems very appropriate (31+ models for $80 + rules and dice and cards). I'm a little wishy-washy on the way they're pricing things...
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yeah, destroids are $5 each for the addon. But with all the recent stretch goals we should be getting 4 more in the base box set anyways. the $140 is really shaping up to have a good amount of freebies. Nothing Mantic or Reaper Bones level, but a good amount of extras.
I just hope we see more Zentraedi soon, we need those infantry and power armor more than the RDF needs VF-1Ds and Super/Armored Veritechs. Battle pods (besides the Glaug) = meh
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While I don't expect everything in the starter box...it would be inexcusable to not have the full line above.
I'm still concerned with the prices...seeing that the Spartan destroid set is actually $10 a piece as I had feared...and $40 for a single MkII Monster!? The Monster model is still going to be quite small...I have no idea how in the world it'll be worth $40.
I hope the prices are inflated to cover eventual freebies or something. I'm just excited to see attention being paid to Robotech, one of my all-time favourite IP's.
Also, if this goes for sale on proper retailers, and say you can get the full starter box for...say...$65 from Warstore or something, it'll represent a very good gaming value. Time to introduce kids to real cartoons! :)
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I think it's all part of the kickstarter strategy. The other Destroids got bumped to 4 in a box.
Two destroids more in the box and two more at 430K makes a whole lot of miniatures in that box imo.
I really don't think the whole line will be available in the box though. Compared to other start-boxes that would be utopia.
As for the Monster being small:
(http://macross2.net/m3/sizecharts/sizechart-1.gif)
With the veritchs being about 40mm (this could be the Guardian mode though), that could be quite a large model. Compared to models from f.eks. GW it's more or less the same. Seen the Price for a Rhino or a Sentinel lately?
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Oh, no I don't mean the entire line in the box...I just mean the entire line should be available and at a reasonable cost when everything is said and done.
I know the Monster's size...but at 1/285th...depending on how they scale it, it could still be quite a small, simple model. If it's the size of a dreadnought etc...it better have detail to warrant the cost. I can buy a quality Bandai kit in 1/200 for $20...so I'll have a hard time swallowing this one.
I also suspect we're seeing a "well...you only need one of these, so it's a bit pricier..." thing here. :D Though at 1/285th you may be fielding more than one Monster.
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Ah I see. :)
Well the Male Power Armour seems to be the NeXT, so one less for the wish list. Hope they'll get around to the female power armour soon. :)
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I will be shocked if they break more than half a million to 600k at most...they really spread out their freebies and are going a bit too happy on upgrades...they should have put the $ upgrades to the MAC, Power Armor (male and female), Super Veritech, etc...then tossed in quietly some extra mecha like veritechs, destroids and pods including the missile pods...then opted for people to buy a few add ons if they wanted extras.
Instead they are making it too pricey and greedy which isn't making people open their wallets....freebies open up wallets as they will buy some upgrades to get free, but they won't pay to get the ability to buy something...just not good biz...look at Reaper and how they fueled they fire....Ninja is hoping the fanboys will open their wallets up no matter what.
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I think the monster is easily going to be as big as a 40k scale dreadnought see...
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/rrpgt/robotech-rpg-tacticstm/posts/462601 for scale with the other miniatures and...
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/rrpgt/robotech-rpg-tacticstm/posts/460317 for veritech scaled against a marine.
There's no way that isn't going to be a big model!
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Indeed as the Monster is even taller and much wider than a Pod.
@styx: I've heard this greedy argument before, but to me it doesn't compute. Seems like tere's a ton of models in the Battle Cry starter already, but this is the first kickstarter I've ever followed, so I have nothing to compare with.
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I'm more concerned with the weird pricing of a few models. I agree the Monster will be a decent sized kit - still doesn't magically make it worth $40. I don't think GW should ever be considered as "normal" or good pricing. I expect a bit better. The only thing I'm happy with is that they have enough start-up money already (and obviously enough interest) to make this a game which should be available without problem.
In the end that's enough for me.
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Same here.
But I just read the 2nd part of te interview with Kevin S, and that possibly is the worst news (for me) to date:
"Each mecha has a Mega-Damage Capacity (MDC) which determines how much damage the mecha can withstand before being destroyed. This is a low number to keep math simple and action fast-paced. There are no damage rolls. It the attack hits, damage is done.
The amount of MDC of a mecha is based on the MDC of the mecha in the Robotech RPG divided by 25, so a Valkyrie has 14 MDC in Robotech RPG Tactics because it has 350 MDC in the RPG. Likewise, the weapons generally do an amount of MD based on their maximum MD in the RPG divided by 20, so a GU-11 does 6 MD in Robotech RPG Tactics. This makes RPG Tactics a fast, deadly game that requires strategy and tactics as well the luck of the die roll."
This could possibly mean that (like the RPG) all mecha have a ton of redundant weapons and 1 or 2 they actually fire all the time.
Hope it isn't so. The RPG was/is... well... lame.
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I liked the RPG simply as a big source of information (though some of it was way off). I even used the RPG game for a while, but we only barely used the mechanics. It was fun if you put a lot of work into it.
I'd like to see more of the playtesting, but the intro video gameplay really didn't do anything for me. I hate "command dice pools" etc. I will be doing my own rules, so for me it's all about the models. Even my rules will be simple and fast playing, but I know what you mean about certain weapons being useless. I'd also like to point out that the newer version of the Robotech RPG increased every single mecha's armour etc. I really disliked this about the RPG. There was no proper feel to the show. In my version, while a Veritech will be plenty good, it will still be prone to being destroyed by a shot or two from a battle pod.
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Indeed as the Monster is even taller and much wider than a Pod.
@styx: I've heard this greedy argument before, but to me it doesn't compute. Seems like tere's a ton of models in the Battle Cry starter already, but this is the first kickstarter I've ever followed, so I have nothing to compare with.
What is in there is decent....the key a KS is to make the most on the investment by selling the concept to someone. I just think they could have laid out the goals and such a tad better and not made it as huge of a money grab. Even if that isn't the intent, it comes off as such. People vote with their wallets...personally, I would love for them to fall into the million+ but I just don't see it, maybe 600k, perhaps 700k, but I think they are going to hit a wall due to how they are managing things. Look at Reaper's KS that was tossing some feebies and people was eating them up and throwing money out left and right in pledges to get to the next goal to see what pops up. Here it has been more of a slight climb now since the early frenzy is gone.
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As a gamer though it's no fun playing or playing against an army that relies solely on not getting hit (that's my personal experience anyway). So that part of "realism" I'm personally glad to see gone.
@styx: Yeah, but Robotech really can't surprice very much. We more or less know all the models and variants by heart anyway.
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As a gamer though it's no fun playing or playing against an army that relies solely on not getting hit (that's my personal experience anyway). So that part of "realism" I'm personally glad to see gone.
@styx: Yeah, but Robotech really can't surprice very much. We more or less know all the models and variants by heart anyway.
True, but there could have been a better method to their madness is what I am saying. Others are also.
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I'm sure you're quite right.
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I agree, it is all a bit sloppy.
My main issue though is the random pricing. If an $80 starter box gets you 30+ minis, how does an add-on box of two models become $20. This kind of stuff pisses me off. lol
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I agree, it is all a bit sloppy.
My main issue though is the random pricing. If an $80 starter box gets you 30+ minis, how does an add-on box of two models become $20. This kind of stuff pisses me off. lol
Makes you wonder what the retail price point is going to be. Will it remain $20 for 2? If so, why would I care to up buy other than I may get them earlier. If they go much higher, they could cut their own throat in retail sales and kill it as soon as it lifts off. Selling a boxed set of 2 ffor $30 or more would be worse than GW pricing.
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Agreed. Some of it looks very well priced...(assuming retail prices are similar). I think a Veritech (about 40mm tall) in three modes is well worth $15. Likewise I think six battlepods (about 60mm from the looks of it) for $25 is reasonable as well. If those prices represent retail price (which means you can count on about another 20% off that from a quality shop) then we're really in business.
Some of it makes sense...a bunch of it don't. o_o
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That's my board they're running the demo on...
;)
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I think a little perspective is in order as these prices are pretty much in line with most of the mainstream gaming industry (who is clearly the target audiece for this game, not us guys that make our own games using oddball minis cast from some dude's garage and sold through his online webstore). Partly, they are targetting the Destroids to the Battletech guys that they know will buy them. They'll be almost perfect matches for the Unseens and certainly of much higher quality than the old plastics or metals. You're paying $9~$15 for an Iron Winds mech, and (metal vs plastic preference aside) these will be much higher quality sculpts and casts. The Monster is a bit too much for my blood, but not terribly out of line with GW or Privateer Press or Malifaux. A model the size of a 40k Dreadnought is pretty universally $30 to $40 now, whether it's metal, resin or plastic. I am, as I type this, staring at a half painted plastic Retribution of Scyrah warjack that costs $35 and will be maybe 2/3 the size of that Monster. I was personally hoping for $30 since at $40 I'm not buying one (perhaps some time down the road) but there's enough who will and enough who already have. Just look at the pledge jump when it was announced.
It's not really fair comparing it to the 1/200 plastic kit (which is half the price for a model 50% bigger). bandai isn't making the 1/200 Monster from scratch at todays costs, the mold was made 20 years ago to sell to modelers (a much wider market than wargamers) and already paid for itself years ago. They just need to grab the mold from the storage shed, slap it in the machine and print up some new boxes. Almost all of the production costs for hard plastic kits is tooling the metal molds themselves, it cost Bandai more to produce, pack and distribute the boxes for the 30th anniversary reprint than to make the models that go inside those boxes. Compare that to Ninja Division making a brand new plastic kit at today's tooling costs, and remember that for a support kit like this one that you'll only sell maybe a couple or 3 to any single player. Even going outside the Miniature-Giant-Robot market you can look at any of the 1/48 or 1/35 Tamiya WW2 kits which are all around $35 to $40 too.
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I must admit that I agree with kalamadea.
And the monster may actually have a stretch goal that halves the cost. Destroids started out at $20 for two and ended up at $20 for 4 wich is extremely reasonably imo.
And start-boxes are always cheaper (pr. model) than add-ons, so no surprice there.
I'm not saying that the kickstarter is well organised, but the prices compare reasonably to other Companies and may end up even cheaper.
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You're missing my main gripe though - inconsistency. Huge inconsistency between certain kits. I imagine it's been planned that way.
Also, just because GW prices things a certain way doesn't mean it's a good price. ;) (and be honest...Privateer Press isn't much better). :? And sadly while Tamiya makes a great model kit - their prices are simply insane (especially considering the age of some of their kits).
Don't get me wrong - I'm already backing the project, as I think the initial investment in models is good (if not great). But some of the add-ons are just silly as they sit now.
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You're missing my main gripe though - inconsistency. Huge inconsistency between certain kits. I imagine it's been planned that way.
Also, just because GW prices things a certain way doesn't mean it's a good price. ;) (and be honest...Privateer Press isn't much better). :? And sadly while Tamiya makes a great model kit - their prices are simply insane (especially considering the age of some of their kits).
Don't get me wrong - I'm already backing the project, as I think the initial investment in models is good (if not great). But some of the add-ons are just silly as they sit now.
I agree, as I said earlier I expect to pay for the Monster/MAC II, power armor, super veritech and other special stuff...the more common stuff could have been slipped in a bit different into the packages for value and then offered as buy on options at the end to round out forces.
Instead their goals are a bit more chaotic and make little sense as said above.
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I am disappointed in how the KS is going, it COULD have been gigantic, but as many point out it has been mismanaged. It appears to me they were predicting/counting on big success, and that is biting them in the ass. Look at the Destroid units, they require 4 Destroids to field, yet you originally only received 2 in the box. So you get a unit that you cannot use in the basic box set! o_o It seems to me they were planning to expand the set later with upgrades, but you can't count on them. What if the KS didn't hit 2200 backers? We, the consumer, would kind of be in a lurch. We would be forced to pay 20% more than the base set, just to field a Destroid unit. I absolutely am a huge Robotech fan, I played Robotech RPG, like most people played D&D in their youth, and I have waited for this for years, but even I am considering getting out of this one, just because it gives the appearance of greed and poor planning, not an act of people who love the product and want to make a great game.
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I am disappointed in how the KS is going, it COULD have been gigantic, but as many point out it has been mismanaged. It appears to me they were predicting/counting on big success, and that is biting them in the ass. Look at the Destroid units, they require 4 Destroids to field, yet you originally only received 2 in the box. So you get a unit that you cannot use in the basic box set! o_o It seems to me they were planning to expand the set later with upgrades, but you can't count on them. What if the KS didn't hit 2200 backers? We, the consumer, would kind of be in a lurch. We would be forced to pay 20% more than the base set, just to field a Destroid unit. I absolutely am a huge Robotech fan, I played Robotech RPG, like most people played D&D in their youth, and I have waited for this for years, but even I am considering getting out of this one, just because it gives the appearance of greed and poor planning, not an act of people who love the product and want to make a great game.
Well, between you, me and another guy we there are three players in our area! I suspect I am going to get the MAC, the 140 deal and maybe a box of armor (if I can get away with 3).
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Starters will always be cheaper than later additional content, I don't see why this is any cause for concern, its completely natural, otherwise how do you entice people to start?, despite GW being moronic with after prices the starter sets they produce with hundreds of pounds worth of items for £70+ are an excellent showing of this, the prices of this of $80+$20 additions, is far from a bad deal.
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Starters will always be cheaper than later additional content, I don't see why this is any cause for concern, its completely natural, otherwise how do you entice people to start?, despite GW being moronic with after prices the starter sets they produce with hundreds of pounds worth of items for £70+ are an excellent showing of this, the prices of this of $80+$20 additions, is far from a bad deal.
My issue isn't really with buying more, but paying $80 and the base set included miniatures that could not be used with just the base set. If the unit size is 4, then include 4 in the base set, not 2 mini's and then forcing me to purchase 2 more miniatures for $20 bucks. I know things have changed with the upgrades, but my point is that they were counting on the upgrades, what if they didn't happen?
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My issue isn't really with buying more, but paying $80 and the base set included miniatures that could not be used with just the base set. If the unit size is 4, then include 4 in the base set, not 2 mini's and then forcing me to purchase 2 more miniatures for $20 bucks. I know things have changed with the upgrades, but my point is that they were counting on the upgrades, what if they didn't happen?
I have seen hints that there may be "scenarios" in the rules also, that may use less mecha (that are just in the starter) to get you going. Like how GW did with their last few starter kits...you get enough figs and such to play their mini campaign but you have to add more to play larger games.
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Don't get me wrong - I'm already backing the project, as I think the initial investment in models is good (if not great). But some of the add-ons are just silly as they sit now.
Pretty much sums up my feelings. I hoping that once they run out of new models to develop we will see the model counts in the add-on kits increase more and more and get them more realistic. They clearly started high to leave room, and set this precedent. Imagine the Desdroid and spartan Packs coming with 8 each, or the Valkyrie wing with 4 fighters or 12 Regults for 25. Like most KS, the last two days will be pretty interesting.
I have to say though, no matter how well or bad this one KS is going, I really want them to profit well in the end, so that hopefully there will be a New Generation/Mospeada KS not sometime next year. For Alphas and Invid I would gladly pay their initial prices.
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I just hope the KS picks up, so we all get more "free" stuff.
Wit 2 more Destroids my pledge level (Battle Cry) just went to 61 gaming pieces. Oh joy. :)
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Spartan/Phalanx is going to get 4 in a pack at 475K.
Gnerls dropped $5 a pack.
Veritechs can now be customized.
Male power armours and plastic templates soon unlocked.
Things are really shaping up imo.
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I'm going to be doing a Robotech Primer thread here in a short while - containing art and information on all of the Robotech mecha featured in the show. In researching for my own Robotech project I gathered a lot of info. I'll try to slap it all together.
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That would be very cool. :)
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Ok....They are starting to win me back more. Reducing the price per model on many things and offering more free to ALL levels is good. I am backing at the Battle Cry level, but I felt bad for the First Contact people who seemed to be getting shafted. I think they were hearing the critiques and seeing the funding going down, and are try to respond appropriately. Kudos to them.
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Ok....They are starting to win me back more. Reducing the price per model on many things and offering more free to ALL levels is good. I am backing at the Battle Cry level, but I felt bad for the First Contact people who seemed to be getting shafted. I think they were hearing the critiques and seeing the funding going down, and are try to respond appropriately. Kudos to them.
I am going to bump up to a Battle Cry from my Early Bird, just waiting until I get back from my trip this weekend to see how much cash is left. Plus my mother may slip some early Bday cash my way.
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If you are on the fence may want to join in even for a few bucks until you know what you want! A few new pledges and we get a plastic template upgrade...we are moving steady to adding some value to the add on boxed sets. While I don't 100% like it it works...I'd rather see free and new add ons instead...
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Khyron's Glaug Battlepod will be unlocked at $500,000. His Glaug will feature a unique pose and a removable cockpit canopy revealing the hotheaded commander himself.
Khyron will be available as a free BONUS to all pledges of Battle Cry and above.
(http://damommasboyz.com/sodapop/mechahot/stretch-500k-kyron-glaug.jpg)
Hell yeah! :)
2600 backers also seem in reach now.
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Yep, a bonus Glaug (the Khyron one features a separate cockpit ...apparently the evildoer himself is modeled inside).
It's nice to see them wheelin' and dealin' with the feedback. That makes me think KS has little to do with it, and it's in fact being run by some people with legitimate business sense. lol
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New strenght in numbers er up:
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/assets/000/562/405/b0057c65ba31ab364895ef30ecae071f_large.jpg?1367540626)
I really hope we can reach these, but I'm not sure how realistic 3200 backers are?
My biggest hope is the Female Power Armour though. The line would feel very incomplete without them.
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I think the card lamination is a terrible goal. They should come laminated, as the game is set up so that you mark up the cards.
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Indeed. It seems a bit lame, but other card-dependent games like Warmacine doesn't come with laminated Cards either.
But a bit strange for a stretch goal.
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^But...how many card dependent games need you to mark off hit-boxes with a dry-erase marker?
Non-laminated cards is kind of silly for that. The provided cards don't look like they'd fit a normal card sleeve either.
PS: As expected the Spartan destroid pack doubled---- while I had hoped this was the case, I think it's piss-poor marketing. I wonder how many people considered pledging initially but thought "these prices are stupid" and haven't been back because of that? Why advertise stupid stuff when you know you're going to be changing it? Pretty silly. I hope we hit the other two stretch goals for more destroids/artillery pods.
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Good new for Europeans. No tax and no VAT.
And a free Veritch (all 3 modes) at 525K which at this rate seems very likely. :)
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2600 backers and 525K reached. That's 5 extra models in the pack. :)
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Yup, with a proper European distributor I expect stuff to jump pretty well. The investment is getting better by the minute.
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Ah, the 600k goal is the super veritech:
(http://damommasboyz.com/sodapop/rtkick/stretch-600k-supervalkyries.jpg)
:)
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I suspect that to be followed by the Female Power Armour (Queadluun-Rau)
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Ah, the 600k goal is the super veritech:
(http://damommasboyz.com/sodapop/rtkick/stretch-600k-supervalkyries.jpg)
:)
Even with all the headache induced (and rather baseless) whining and moaning and complaining (seriously you could of laminated the cards yourself with...err...oh yeah, a laminator) this will easily make 600k
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I am just floored at the concept of $35 for 6 models (two model actual unit) as an support unit and to make a full unit you have to shell out $70. Then I wonder if the retail price is going to be higher or lower than what the KS is charging. Plus once it goes retail, some people will discount them down. It just seems their pricing points are all over the place and makes no real sense.
I may just end up getting the $140 deal, add in a MAC II and maybe something else for $20 for a max of $200. I don't have much more than that now to push through. I just wish I owned some of these credit card companies that some of those other guys are maxing out now. lol
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The next 12 days will be exciting:
(http://damommasboyz.com/sodapop/rtsquadrons/valkyrie-squadron-1.jpg)
Armoured Valkyrie, Lancer II and Ghosts. And that's just the RDF. :)
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Still no VF-1D though :-[ but exciting none the less.
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A buddy of mine just jumped the Robo-train, so upgraded to Showdown level. :)
3 Gnerls at 625K. And Decals at 3500. Nice. :)
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A buddy of mine just jumped the Robo-train, so upgraded to Showdown level. :)
3 Gnerls at 625K. And Decals at 3500. Nice. :)
Gnerls I am happy about, the Decals meh, just reminds me of being a kid with my Gi Joes sticking them on, rather have transfers....
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What interests me the most is the inclusion of the (technically un-named) fighter aircraft and the AWACS Veritech which was unseen in the original Robotech footage (it's actually a Macross derivative mecha).
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As far as I can tell the fighters are the Lancer II Space Fighter (2 long guns) and the Q-3000 'Ghost' drone fighter.
In the comments for the Updates someone posted screenshots to show they are briefly seen in the first episode, but they do get a writeup in the RPG.
The AWACS Veritech is supposedly a VF-1D, a Recon version I believe.
As for the decals, they might be handy for the markings of specific squadrons or the Zentraedi/UEDF faction markings, which might be troublesome to freehand.
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Yeah I recognize the fighters (they are seen in an episode or two). The RPG stuff I don't really count as viable info. Being a Palladium product they will obviously be labeled as such.
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600K reached and the Super Valkyrie is here:
(http://damommasboyz.com/sodapop/kickrt/supervalkyries-x2.jpg)
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Interesting use of the Valkyrie terminology instead of the Robotech coined Veritech...hmmm...
PS: Happy to see light and heavy armoured Zentraedi infantry on their force organization chart. To be fair, some of the squadron sizes/choices don't make any sense. I'm not planning on using the rules, but it looks like a big game will feature potentially a BOATLOAD of mini's.
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Valkyrie was always the Robotech name, actually. Veritech refers to a mecha type that can transform between fighter/guardian/battloid modes. The tanks in Southern Cross were Veritech Hover Tanks, the Alphas and Betas in New Generation were both veritech fighters. I know the novels called them both Valkyries and veritech fighters for all the macross stuff.
I'm actually thinking of cancelling my $140 pledge. They clearly don't need me to hit any kind of funding level, and as absolutely excited as I am for having a Robotech minis game, I'm not very interested in having 30 battle pods and valkyries. All the stuff I AM interested in (Zentraedi PA and infantry, lots of Destroids) is all paid add-ons. Gonna have to see how much of that gets added to the Battle Cry level by the end, I might just drop down and do an addon only pledge.
@Styx- usually the term decals refers to water-slide transfers, not stickers. I would be surprised and disappointed if we only got stickers instead of water slide transfers
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The word "Valkyrie" is never used in the animated series that I can recall - they're always referred to as Veritechs. Valkyrie is the Macross nomenclature every time I've seen it.
Now I did notice that when Palladium re-released their RPG books in the smaller format that started using the proper Destroid names (Tomahawk, etc.) as opposed to their Excaliber etc. Kal, I'd keep the $140 investment only because you could likely turn around and ebay anything you didn't want for equal or more money. I agree though, lots of the cool stuff is add-ons. I'd actually prefer if they'd have replaced some of the bumps with other miniatures. I think it'd be a nice add-on to simply include a handful of artillery sprues (the normal and artillery Battle Pods should be identical other than the top mounted launcher --- meaning the launcher could be a separate sprue). It'd be really easy to simply toss in 6-8 artillery sprues allowing us to build some.
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Currently the miniatures are less than $2 pr. model in Battle Cry. It sould leave room for a few more expensive add-ons imo.
Otherwise simply sell off alf the pods and veritechs and buy the add-ons you want.
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Moments away from adding 5 more figures to the $140 pledge. reaching 3000 backers, and $625K.
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Yes. The box really is a steal imo. And it's getting better and better.
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Just found these Pictures of the VEFR-1:
(http://www.mahq.net/mecha/macross/sdfmacross/vefr-1-battroid.jpg)
(http://www.mahq.net/mecha/macross/sdfmacross/vefr-1-fighter.jpg)
Must be the one.
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After thinking it over a few days I just canceled my pledge completely, it just made sense with what you got and all the other stuff going on in May/June. I'll be missing out on a crapload of free miniatures I didn't care much about to begin with just to also a get a few of the ones I do care about and still have to pay more for the ones I REALLY care about. So I'll just wait until it hits retail markets and pick up exactly what I want. All the stuff I've been yearning for, the Power Armor, the infantry, the destroids, most of it is paid addons and I'd rather not deal with the hassle of storing even MORE unwanted figs in my closet till I get around to ebaying them (already a large pile of figs!)
If it goes truly crazy in the last few days, or if they introduce a way to swap out some of the added figures I may repledge, still some time left.
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Jaeger,
Yep, there are a bunch of different pictures/images and even some scratch-built models...not sure if anything really truly legitimate has been released. I gathered a bunch of pictures of that thing for my game, as I was going to scratch build one. Good to see it get some attention.
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Yep. Hope it makes it.
But for now we have the 700K goal:
(http://damommasboyz.com/sodapop/kickrt/stretch-700k-zen-queadluun-rau.jpg)
And the heavy infantry is unlocked:
(http://damommasboyz.com/sodapop/kickrt/zentraedi-infantry-pack.jpg)
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Man their pricing is just crap. I have to pay $60 for a Zentradi unit! Really? GW does not even charge those prices....yet....
Then look at the Female Armor, $30 for 3, it is clear they intend to move to 4 as an add on because where else are you going to get a single from? Yet the male in the force org is 6 for a unit! That is $60 for a unit compared to $30 for a unit....
Someone is really hitting the crack pipe thinking people are just going to piss away cash on this. I myself and others just don't have the cash to blow on budgets like $70 to add another unit on average...if it was say $40-$50 maybe a bit easier...
Granted I would love to be some of these credit card companies that these people are beating up right now to pledge $600+, enjoy that 15% and higher interest!
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I'm quite sure many of these are meant to get cheaper through kickstarter goals.
Bonus surprices I suspect. Wouldn't get all hot and bothered just yet. :)
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I'm quite sure many of these are meant to get cheaper through kickstarter goals.
Bonus surprices I suspect. Wouldn't get all hot and bothered just yet. :)
Hot and bothered, not really. Disappointed yes. I somehow don't see them hitting more past 700-800k, I think they are peaking and will get a bit of this and that ending on maybe 800 or a little over....I think as I said on my blog if they had done this better that they would have rolled very easy over 1M without even trying....but I also suspect Palladium and Ninja being two sperate outfits are not in sync with one another on pricing and hosting this.
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Just remember that the Gnerls dropped in cost with no apparent reason and with no stretch goal.
This could happen to other strangely priced units too.
Hitting a million is worth nothing if costs aren't covered. Someone also noticed that kickstarters go haywire in the end.
I really sound like I fanboy... don't I? :)
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Just remember that the Gnerls dropped in cost with no apparent reason and with no stretch goal.
This could happen to other strangely priced units too.
Hitting a million is worth nothing if costs aren't covered. Someone also noticed that kickstarters go haywire in the end.
I really sound like I fanboy... don't I? :)
If I recall right, the $15 price drop was a suprise goal thing, but oddly they have not done that for anything else. Still think about this a box with two Veritechs with 3 poses each is $25 for 6, while fighters are $15 for 3 now, was $20. They also bumped the sizes of the Destroids to make them more appealing for their price also. Which is another thing. a box of Destroids allows you to have a squad, for that same price is the cost of 3 Zentradi battlesuits which is half a squad.
Maybe they will add more value to things but with a few days off it is late to the game if you ask me.
Trust me they are making money on this whole thing without worry, plastic sprues, and such don't cost that much mind you they do cost maybe a goal value but really after that it is downhill. Look at Reaper it went nuts because they was putting out free crap left and right and unlocking some very kick butt add ons like Cthulu at the end. It is true they explode at the end but I feel most people have shot their wad in cash and there won't be much roo m let. I am unloading some stuff on Ebay tomorrow to make some cash by the end of the KS to see if I can buy a few more things.
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I've disagreed with you lamenting of the prices until now, but for a different reason than "the prices are bad". The prices are fine, it's the unit size that's bad. I found $40 for the Monster to be high but not out of the ordinary for the current market. The destroids, even at $10 each, weren't really a bad price considering the Battletech prices for the same figures (well, the Reseens). at $5 each they're fantastic. $35 for two super valkyries, well, at you -DO- get six total models, seem a tad steep. The 6 infantry for $30 is too much for what will basically be standard 28mm models, but not tremendously so.
It's how many you will need that is the entire problem. As you mention, most of those addons are for only half a squad. I think ND is setting the model count just a bit too high for my tastes. I don't want units of 12 battlepods, I don't want units of 12 infantry. Two units of 6, or better yet three units of 4 is where I'd like them to be. I'm not going to plaster the KS comments page with demands for it, however, instead I just preferred to cancel my pledge and write a note explaining why they aren't getting my money, and if it changes things then cool. If not, I'll pick up the figs I want in december and use the Robotech Battles rules to play.
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If you look at the demo it seems to me, that the content of First Contact is way to Little for a proper battle. You would have to go Battle Cry or higher.
But they also said that there will be rules for fewer models. So I'm unsure how much we should rely on the unit sizes for anything but a quite large battle.
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that's a big part of it actually, this far into the KS and they don't even have an alpha rulebook to preview? I'm assuming they're holding it close to the chest to adjust to KS numbers, but I expected SOMETHING by now. We only have the (pretty poor) adepticon preview to go off of so far and that's hardly more in depth than a convention game
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I've disagreed with you lamenting of the prices until now, but for a different reason than "the prices are bad". The prices are fine, it's the unit size that's bad. I found $40 for the Monster to be high but not out of the ordinary for the current market. The destroids, even at $10 each, weren't really a bad price considering the Battletech prices for the same figures (well, the Reseens). at $5 each they're fantastic. $35 for two super valkyries, well, at you -DO- get six total models, seem a tad steep. The 6 infantry for $30 is too much for what will basically be standard 28mm models, but not tremendously so.
It's how many you will need that is the entire problem. As you mention, most of those addons are for only half a squad. I think ND is setting the model count just a bit too high for my tastes. I don't want units of 12 battlepods, I don't want units of 12 infantry. Two units of 6, or better yet three units of 4 is where I'd like them to be. I'm not going to plaster the KS comments page with demands for it, however, instead I just preferred to cancel my pledge and write a note explaining why they aren't getting my money, and if it changes things then cool. If not, I'll pick up the figs I want in december and use the Robotech Battles rules to play.
Oh you are dead on in that thought, they either need to drop the price down or the model count up. I think we may be approaching it from two trains of thought but they are meeting at the same station. And that is the bottom line, if I buy an upgrade it should be enough to make a minimal unit. Glad we are on the same page. What I am worried about is them slipping into a GW mindset of pricing or worse with their product. I want to play the game but I don't want to feel like I have to seell organs to play it.
I won't go as extreme as to cancel my pledge (but you are in your rights to do so). I know I will get the Battle Cry for the value, maybe the Monster and some other small stuff but I have a limit set. So it will come down to what I really want and need to round out. I agree plastering the pages with complaints isn't good but giving an honest consumer opinion in a constructive way isn't a bad thing. They took note of it on the Gnerl Fighters, the bottom line is they want to sell something then they should appeal to the buyers to open their wallets which is my point.
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Yep, seeing the force organization chart just reinforced my goal of reforming my rules for 1/285th scale...I hate force organization nonsense. I'll be playing according to actual scenarios from the episodes ---- but you sure as heck won't be "needing" 6+ power armour for a "unit" etc. lol
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I'm in for the models and the nostalgia. The rules and force organization chart? I'm already rather nonplussed about it. Minimum unit requirements just aren't my thing as I despised early on rules that demand you use a certain number of models to legally field a unit and whatnot. I'll either adapt their rules to suit or find a set that suits me simpy because there's no way I'm buying into 'you must have six gnerl fighters to field this unit' or some such nonsense. I gave up the Warhammeresque school of army building years ago and have no intention of buying back into that school of thought with this game either.
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Kalamadea - they had a PDF preview of the rules (meh).
I'll see if I can find the link. A bit too much connection with the RPG in the actual rules (rolling with punches etc.)
http://damommasboyz.com/sodapop/rtkick/robotech-rpg-tactics-rules-preview-v2.pdf
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I'm in for the models and the nostalgia. The rules and force organization chart? I'm already rather nonplussed about it. Minimum unit requirements just aren't my thing as I despised early on rules that demand you use a certain number of models to legally field a unit and whatnot. I'll either adapt their rules to suit or find a set that suits me simpy because there's no way I'm buying into 'you must have six gnerl fighters to field this unit' or some such nonsense. I gave up the Warhammeresque school of army building years ago and have no intention of buying back into that school of thought with this game either.
I had hoped in wisdom they would do half unit options (or even quarter unit options for larger). A good example would be the Gnerl Fighters 60points for example or 6, then 30 for 3. If you have less yes you can field them as a depleted squadron as I am sure with most wargames never always a perfect even # and to allow a player to get closer to a point balance.
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Kalamadea - they had a PDF preview of the rules (meh).
I'll see if I can find the link. A bit too much connection with the RPG in the actual rules (rolling with punches etc.)
http://damommasboyz.com/sodapop/rtkick/robotech-rpg-tactics-rules-preview-v2.pdf
I think Kalamadea is also refering to that part also....what they are giving us about the rules is a bit vauge or weak. The PDF did add some to it but not much after the demo.
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Miriya as a bonus at 725K:
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/projects/470929/posts/478778/image-255854-full.jpg?1368366509)
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I am very tempted by this one!
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Bonus:
(http://damommasboyz.com/sodapop/kickrt/backers-3200.jpg)
Unlocked:
(http://damommasboyz.com/sodapop/kickrt/zentraedi-qeadluun-rau.jpg)
And sculpt Pictures of the Glaug and the Scout Pod:
(http://damommasboyz.com/sodapop/kickrt/glaugcommand-x1.jpg)
I'm giddy as a schoolboy. :)
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The VEF-1 pack they just advertised comes with a VF-1D option for whoever was looking.
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That's a whole lot of miniatures so far:
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/projects/470929/posts/480509/image-256924-full.jpg?1368539367)
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Yeah it got me on board.
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Short of a couple specialized units, that's really more than enough to get some quality games out of. I've spent $140 in many less-useful ways before.
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The deal is good and is what got me to move up to the $140, the only problem is now how much further can I afford to go. They are killing me with these add ons! They are just dropping too many.
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Eh, I don't feel any stress...it just means that all of these will be available eventually for retail sale. My only concern with the project from the beginning was that we ended up with a full available line (I didn't care how much came in the initial release). My fears have been assuaged. It looks like the line will be fully complete - even beyond what was I expecting.
So buy it now, or buy it later - I'm just happy it's all here.
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Eh, I don't feel any stress...it just means that all of these will be available eventually for retail sale. My only concern with the project from the beginning was that we ended up with a full available line (I didn't care how much came in the initial release). My fears have been assuaged. It looks like the line will be fully complete - even beyond what was I expecting.
So buy it now, or buy it later - I'm just happy it's all here.
Yea, I just have to survive the angst of what to get!
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Eh, I don't feel any stress...it just means that all of these will be available eventually for retail sale. My only concern with the project from the beginning was that we ended up with a full available line (I didn't care how much came in the initial release). My fears have been assuaged. It looks like the line will be fully complete - even beyond what was I expecting.
So buy it now, or buy it later - I'm just happy it's all here.
Well.... there is still at least two other wars to go. Hope they don't rush too quick to get the next KS starter out until we have some figures (cough cough) but I am itching for some invid.
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Yeah, that was my feelings exactly and why I canceled my pledge*. It's coming. Nothing can stop it, it's a Juggernaut. The shiny I've wanted since forever are coming and I can get everything I want once it all actually hits shelves. So awesome to actually see it happening. Can't wait for Invid War to hit, THAT is gonna hit me in the pocketbook like nobody's business!
*Well, I repledged for a small amount, mostly to say I helped it happen :D
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It is very tempting to get all the add ons but I know the main set will give me far more than I'll ever use so I'm managing to be good at the moment.
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Well.... there is still at least two other wars to go. Hope they don't rush too quick to get the next KS starter out until we have some figures (cough cough) but I am itching for some invid.
Southern Cross won't have much...they had three major mecha the fighter, the coptor and the tank with the coptor and tank rocking...the fighter was meh....the Bioroids was all the same....
Invid had some variety in their mecha and the REF vehicles was cool, I loved the Cyclones and the alpha beta fighters.....this one I could see really doing a hard focus on skirmish rules.
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Well.... there is still at least two other wars to go. Hope they don't rush too quick to get the next KS starter out until we have some figures (cough cough) but I am itching for some invid.
I agree I could almost stand to jump ahead and go back to Southern Cross.
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It is very tempting to get all the add ons but I know the main set will give me far more than I'll ever use so I'm managing to be good at the moment.
I like the value in the Showdown tons of mecha but would totally kill any add-ons...that is my hard choice. I still think Battle Cry and a few add-ons will be what I go with in the end.
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3500 backers wow! :o
Decals in the box bonus. The bonus Male Power Armour seems to be in reach quite soon. Excellent.
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I like the value in the Showdown tons of mecha but would totally kill any add-ons...that is my hard choice. I still think Battle Cry and a few add-ons will be what I go with in the end.
Yeah the Battle Cry pledge level is great and it's one of the main reasons I've finally pledged to something on Kickstarter. Plenty of models for a very reasonable price considering everything. I think the higher levels are for gamers who are thinking really big and want to field vast armies of battlepods (which is very tempting but not practical for me - that's more for Inso or Akula ;) ).
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The Southern Cross actually had quite a few options.
Bioroids of several different flavors, the skimmer pads they use, and the large command drop ship which should be do-able at this stage. They'll also likely do the armoured infantry you see in the mothership.
The Southern Cross had the Hover Tank, the small fighter, the space...helicopter (!?) and then tons of fighter aircraft, some land vehicles with launchers etc. They also had numerous types of infantry (though at this scale, infantry will be pretty damned small) and their own Battloids (such as the police one seen in the show).
Personally I'm not too stoked about the Southern Cross or Invid...though I do think the idea of running some Invid/Zentraedi wars would be cool. According to American cannon/fluff that's where Breetai got his fancy faceplate. I do think the scale will ruin the Invid game a bit. Unless they change the scale for that particular era (and I hope they don't). You definitely won't be playing a small band of 4-5 cyclone riders...it'd just be impossible at that scale really.
For me, Robotech IS Macross. The others are just icing on the cake.
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Bioroids of several different flavors
Yeah, they had red ones and blue ones... :P. JK, seriously though, as much as I would like to see alphas alongside macross stuff, and the possibility of Zen vrs Invid. I'd REALLY love to see a scale change for that particular one. Something akin to gladiator games like detail. Anyway they do it, major credit bill will be on it's way, and the wife will certainly be dialing a lawyer.
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Well, I upped my pledge some to push the male power armor to the free stuff pile. Looks like there is no further backer rewards and free stuff is getting scarce.
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See I'm the opposite, for me Robotech is all about MOSPEADA and SC. Macross was always my least favorite of the three shows and it's by far the most prevalent, there's already been so many Macross kits in numerous scales over the years. Not that I dislike Macross at all, but of the 3 it was only good, not OH MY GOD AMAZING like MOSPEADA was. And while there's been a few MOSPEADA kits, it was mostly the human mecha, the only invid I've really seen were the matchbox/playmates toys (which were AWESOME!).
I personally can't wait for New Generation/Shadow Chronicles stuff. Invid/Zentraedi war would be fantastic, especially considering how little info about that period exists (and all of it has been rewritten between the novels and comics and new official timelines). Now that you mention it I'm a bit surprised Palladium never expanded on that at all, you have decades (or centuries or millenia, depending on which timeline you read) of history that just ripe for an RPG book. There were some comics, Comico had the graphic novel about Zor sending the SDF-1 to earth just before the invid attack and kill him (injuring Breetai) and the humans exploring the ship that was retold as the prologue in the novels. You also had the 6 issue history of Zor arc Comico did. Academy did a few about the Zentraedi called Warriors, but there's hardly anything for Robotech before the humans come into play. Heck, I'd love to see some Sentinels stuff too, but I think most of that has been retconned out of existence.
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Here here Kalamadea.
(http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/35891/749238-cougar_inorganic__hellcat__large.gif)
This and the other inorganics in 28mm please.
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Huh, I had actually forgotten about the Sentinels...that could be cool. I enjoy the other eras of Robotech (Southern Cross being my least favourite). I'd love to see Sentinels and Invid fully fleshed out (no pun intended).
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Southern Cross was my favorite when I first started reading the novels. SC is a great story and I really loved the characters...until I saw the show. The squeaky voice and poofy hair on Dana Sterling was NOTHING like what I saw in my head when I read the books and Zor Prime is a FAR less interesting, far less menacing, far less sensical character in the show than in the books. Everything seemed so much less silly and felt so much more important.
It's always been my problem with Robotech, that old "I read the book and it was WAY better" issue that ruins so many otherwise great movies. I don't see how anyone that saw the show first could take the story seriously since even for me it's now hard to look at SC without seeing Dana as this ditsy goofball instead of a badass soldier or seeing Zor Prime as a condescending jackwad instead of a tortured soul trying to fight between his sense of self, his false memories and the Robotech Master's mind control.
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I will be shocked if they break more than half a million to 600k at most...
Are you in shock now? :)
I think the Lancer II's are a sure thing now, but 925K for the Glaug Eldare? Going to be exciting.
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The boosted Glaug would be nice (actually doing an awesome conversion of one for 1/200! myself...) but I am see some cannon/fluff gaps in their game systems now. A squadron of boosted officer pods? Some of this stuff doesn't gel with me. But...then again I'm not planning on using their rules. lol
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Are you in shock now? :)
I think the Lancer II's are a sure thing now, but 925K for the Glaug Eldare? Going to be exciting.
I am pleased...I am just floored at the silly pledges (some of those are unexpected) i have heard some people throw out on the table, as I said before I would love to own the debt they are racking up on their credit cards and that interest is going to suck in the long run. I also feel some people will ramp back their pledges (I have heard of this) at the end as they only pledged higher to hit goals and then pull back once they see they have overspent their budget.
I think it will curve down in activity until the last day or two. Some of the latest stuff isn't that amazing. I could care less about the Lancer II right now or the Gluag Eldare just too damm expensive for a squadron and a single is pricey. I still think the holding back of freebies is going to kill some forward energy and they won't squeak past 900k.
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Now this stretch goal really ticles my fancy:
(http://damommasboyz.com/sodapop/mechahot/stretch-1000k-queadluun-rau.jpg)
Hope we make it.
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If the FPA are a free upgrade I may have to ditch my MAC (sadly) and upgrade to Showdown...now I have to sell my soul to the devil. lol
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They are. Bonus for Battle Cry and above.
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3 more miniatures for Battle Cry+
(http://damommasboyz.com/sodapop/mechahot/bonus-super-valkyrie.jpg)
The million and the 3 FBAs are suddenly very much in reach. :)
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It would have been nice if they'd pushed the boat out with 2 super valkyries rather than just one. Still, something is better than nothing. :)
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I can't complain...we're getting a metric f_ck ton of miniatures for the money. However, the skeptic in me is now wondering about the quality/material of the final product minis. I'm afraid we'll be getting some sub-par stuff if they can afford to push this many miniatures into the offer...
(pessimists unite!) I'm really hoping these are all very decent hard plastic minis.
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1 Million!!
(http://damommasboyz.com/sodapop/kickrt/bonus-queadluun-rau.jpg)
At 1,1 there's another Super Valkyrie.
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This is getting more and more interesting, can anyone recommend me the DVDs/ BRs what it is based on?
I realize that it is Robotech Macross, but I am a bit lostfrom which series/ movie all These desgns come from...
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Well the original Macross Super Dimension Fortress is the Japanese version.
Robotech the macross saga is the US TV show (the one I grew up watching).
The Robotech sagas are really 3 (or more?) stories, that is re-written and combined into one story.
It can be a bit confusing.
Edit: If you can stand the Commercials most can be found on youtube btw.
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This is getting more and more interesting, can anyone recommend me the DVDs/ BRs what it is based on?
I realize that it is Robotech Macross, but I am a bit lostfrom which series/ movie all These desgns come from...
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Robotech-The-Complete-Series-DVD/dp/B005FQQ35A/ref=sr_1_1?s=dvd&ie=UTF8&qid=1368956175&sr=1-1&keywords=robotech (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Robotech-The-Complete-Series-DVD/dp/B005FQQ35A/ref=sr_1_1?s=dvd&ie=UTF8&qid=1368956175&sr=1-1&keywords=robotech)
That lot should sort you out. ;)
I've got the previous release that was just the series with no whistles and bells. Might get this edition myself though for the extra shows and all the other stuff.
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Might get this edition myself though for the extra shows and all the other stuff.
£21.45 on Ebay... ORDERED! :D
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Hello!!
4 Experimental Mechas added to the Force Orginization. Check it out. :)
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Yes, for the real quick explanation:
Robotech = three separate and distinct Japanese animated series (Macross, MOSPEADA...and something else) dubbed into English and launched as a three part series of a single story. The three parts take place 20-30 years apart if not more. This game is currently addressing the Macross era. When someone says Robotech, 90% of the time they're thinking of the Macross saga which is the first 36 episodes.
By the way, if you have Netflix the entire show is available for viewing. I've watched the entire Macross saga maybe a half dozen times in the past two years doing research for my Robotech game.
The Battle Cry pledge is getting absurd...in a good way. While the animation is pretty poor in certain episodes, Robotech was pretty eye-opening as a kid (I never even saw the full series in completion till college!) because it included minor sexual references, more "serious" situations, and many main characters are injured or killed. Also the cartoon was a big over-arching story and not single piece-meal episodes which aren't really related to each other (ala GI Joe, etc.). It was so vastly different as a kid watching it...it's easily my favourite cartoon series/intellectual property to this day.
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It would have been nice if they'd pushed the boat out with 2 super valkyries rather than just one. Still, something is better than nothing. :)
I dumped my extra add ons and spent a little more for Showdown from Battle Cry, so everything is doubled up...with the Super VT and the FPA doubled up the deal just got a bit more sweeter...if we get the armored...that would be nice.
My only regret is the MAC was lost in the exchange but I figure I will just buy that as I will not have to buy much of the other stuff as it was all doubled up in Showdown making it worthwhile.
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Yes, for the real quick explanation:
Robotech = three separate and distinct Japanese animated series (Macross, MOSPEADA...and something else) dubbed into English and launched as a three part series of a single story. The three parts take place 20-30 years apart if not more. This game is currently addressing the Macross era. When someone says Robotech, 90% of the time they're thinking of the Macross saga which is the first 36 episodes.
By the way, if you have Netflix the entire show is available for viewing. I've watched the entire Macross saga maybe a half dozen times in the past two years doing research for my Robotech game.
The Battle Cry pledge is getting absurd...in a good way. While the animation is pretty poor in certain episodes, Robotech was pretty eye-opening as a kid (I never even saw the full series in completion till college!) because it included minor sexual references, more "serious" situations, and many main characters are injured or killed. Also the cartoon was a big over-arching story and not single piece-meal episodes which aren't really related to each other (ala GI Joe, etc.). It was so vastly different as a kid watching it...it's easily my favourite cartoon series/intellectual property to this day.
While yo mention the Battle Cry is a great deal the Showdown is even more of an insane deal for x2 for $100 more.
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Thanks for the help - pledged!
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Robotech = three separate and distinct Japanese animated series (Macross, MOSPEADA...and something else)
Super Dimension Cavalry Southern Cross
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Thanks for the help - pledged!
I'm looking forward to see you paint these bad boys to a level I can only ever dream of. :)
Ghosts are unlocked and a new goal doubling the Ghosts at 1.125K
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I'm looking forward to see you paint these bad boys to a level I can only ever dream of. :)
Ghosts are unlocked and a new goal doubling the Ghosts at 1.125K
I am already thinking about some 1/300 buildings and modern microarmour to accompany the Valks...
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Damn you Styx...I had assumed it would be double the price. If it's $100 more I may have to jump up...because that would be more than enough for essentially ANY Robotech scenario I'd want to run (minus the Monster MkII). Damn you...
EDIT: Looks like it's $120 (or about the same cost...you're not just paying double shipping). I'll stay at Battle Cry, though I may pick up a couple add-ons. I'm trying to convince a buddy of mine to get the starter set...which he won't use...and I'll buy from him later. lol
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Damn you Styx...I had assumed it would be double the price. If it's $100 more I may have to jump up...because that would be more than enough for essentially ANY Robotech scenario I'd want to run (minus the Monster MkII). Damn you...
EDIT: Looks like it's $120 (or about the same cost...you're not just paying double shipping). I'll stay at Battle Cry, though I may pick up a couple add-ons. I'm trying to convince a buddy of mine to get the starter set...which he won't use...and I'll buy from him later. lol
I am fighting the urge not to step back to the $140 and take a few upgrades....the SDF-1 exclusive is nice, but then again what the hell will I do with it? It can't be used in game. Still, I could get a few upgrades instead....still going back and forth, I will keep the $260 pledge.
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No DAMM YOU ELBOWS! Now you got me thinking more and hating the fact I gave up the MAC II and other great stuff. So, I am thinking, downgrade back to a Battle Cry and use the other money for Zentradi Infantry Box, MAC II, Ghost Fighters and VEF-1 and VEF-D with $20 to spend on something else...that SDF-1 is really a cool concept but not sure....kinda like spending money on something that would not be viable int he game. The rest of the changes gets me some more variety which may win out in the end over the amount!
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Yeah, the SDF is kinda silly...though it would be neat as a background terrain piece in a space-field battle.
I think I'm going to get maybe 60-80 bucks worth of add-ons instead of doubling the pledge (the pledge is already great).
My short list:
-Armoured Veritechs
-Zentraedi Infantry
I may go with the VEF/VF-1D or some additional artillery battle pods or something. Maybe another couple Spartans/Phalanxes. I have no interest in the space fighters or the experimental (read: made up) mecha they're keeping classified. I really hated the liberties that Palladium took with Robotech in their later RPG books, so I'd be fine skipping that stuff. The Monster Mk2 I'll hold off until a birthday or christmas at some point...treat myself. It'll be so powerful I won't be using it in early games anyway.
PS: Only done one other kickstarter, but I pick add-ons after it's all said and done correct? I don't see them under my pledge manager.
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Update: Another bonus Super Veritech (these will be powerful in my game so more than one or two might be overkill...having two at least is great).
I also have to eat a little bit of crow. The "experimental" images they posted in the email consisted of a rifle for the female Queadluun-Rau which actually looks pretty good (read: feasible). I was afraid it would be some randomly created stuff Palladium thought up - but experimental weapon add-ons I could deal with. They look appropriate which is my biggest concern. Just keep instrumecha etc. out of it! lol
I am curious to see what we'll get as we roll into the very last day.
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Yeah, the SDF is kinda silly...though it would be neat as a background terrain piece in a space-field battle.
I think I'm going to get maybe 60-80 bucks worth of add-ons instead of doubling the pledge (the pledge is already great).
My short list:
-Armoured Veritechs
-Zentraedi Infantry
I may go with the VEF/VF-1D or some additional artillery battle pods or something. Maybe another couple Spartans/Phalanxes. I have no interest in the space fighters or the experimental (read: made up) mecha they're keeping classified. I really hated the liberties that Palladium took with Robotech in their later RPG books, so I'd be fine skipping that stuff. The Monster Mk2 I'll hold off until a birthday or christmas at some point...treat myself. It'll be so powerful I won't be using it in early games anyway.
PS: Only done one other kickstarter, but I pick add-ons after it's all said and done correct? I don't see them under my pledge manager.
Yes, you pay your pledge then you get a management option, you pick your options and I think you can add extra $ for stuff also just does not unlock anything further.
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Update: Another bonus Super Veritech (these will be powerful in my game so more than one or two might be overkill...having two at least is great).
I also have to eat a little bit of crow. The "experimental" images they posted in the email consisted of a rifle for the female Queadluun-Rau which actually looks pretty good (read: feasible). I was afraid it would be some randomly created stuff Palladium thought up - but experimental weapon add-ons I could deal with. They look appropriate which is my biggest concern. Just keep instrumecha etc. out of it! lol
I am curious to see what we'll get as we roll into the very last day.
I may have to go magnets or perhaps consider adding more FPA to take some of the upgrade stuff...still I like to get the Zentradi Infantry.
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This thing is really taking off, much better than I thought. I am wrestling with the same decisions. Jump to Showdown and miss out on some cool models, or do Battlecry plus some add ons, and miss out on a crap ton of basic troops!
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This thing is really taking off, much better than I thought. I am wrestling with the same decisions. Jump to Showdown and miss out on some cool models, or do Battlecry plus some add ons, and miss out on a crap ton of basic troops!
The only perk is the Showdown gives you tons of figs so you could do the larger scale games. The Battle Cry they say is enough to do Skirmish games, which to me I am happy about....I am weighing every...comes down to
Showdown (no add ons)
Battle Cry+MAC II+Zentradi Infantry+VEF-1/VD-1D and either Ghosts or Armored Valks
I hope they get the Lancer and Recovery Pod add on, not sure if we are going to see a slow crawl now or a big finish. I expect a surge but not a huge one. I think people are tapping out on limits.
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The only perk is the Showdown gives you tons of figs so you could do the larger scale games. The Battle Cry they say is enough to do Skirmish games, which to me I am happy about....I am weighing every...comes down to
Showdown (no add ons)
Battle Cry+MAC II+Zentradi Infantry+VEF-1/VD-1D and either Ghosts or Armored Valks
I hope they get the Lancer and Recovery Pod add on, not sure if we are going to see a slow crawl now or a big finish. I expect a surge but not a huge one. I think people are tapping out on limits.
I'd do Armored Valks....Ghosts are cool drones and all.......but the Valks are Giant Armored Fighting Robots! :-*
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I'd do Armored Valks....Ghosts are cool drones and all.......but the Valks are Giant Armored Fighting Robots! :-*
I have spiraled back into the Arms of the Showdown again....the MAC will just be my first purchase later. Maybe the VEF pack...
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I've teamed up with a buddy and we're splitting a Show Down. He's getting a pack of Lancer IIs and I've added $40 to add-ons.
I'm split between a Monster or two $20 packs.
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The end stretch map is posted, sort of.
(http://damommasboyz.com/sodapop/kickrt/final-countdown.jpg)
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Wonder how much this will explode in the end.
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This thing is really taking off, much better than I thought. I am wrestling with the same decisions. Jump to Showdown and miss out on some cool models, or do Battlecry plus some add ons, and miss out on a crap ton of basic troops!
I am back at Showdown, not sure what would be worthwhile to add on after looking at the wish list. Armored VT are nice. How often would I use a Monster other than it is cool? The Recon and Trainer are cool but not that huge, the Zentradi warriors are just something we don't have yet.
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Wow it's picking up. Hard to keep track of all the upgrades. Almost missed this Little beauty:
(http://damommasboyz.com/sodapop/kickrt/command-destroid.jpg)
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Can someone verify for me - we choose add-ons after this thing closes right? I don't want to miss stuff, I just don't see the add-ons in the pledge manager, and I know for the other KS I did, I chose them after it was done.
I just woke up (yay, night shift!). Time to check in on the last day progress.
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Can someone verify for me - we choose add-ons after this thing closes right? I don't want to miss stuff, I just don't see the add-ons in the pledge manager, and I know for the other KS I did, I chose them after it was done.
I just woke up (yay, night shift!). Time to check in on the last day progress.
Yep, you choose add-ons after the KS closes. They send out a survey to fill out and return. You tell them what you want, you can also buy extra stuff beyond your pledge. Just when you pledge make sure it is $15 more than your pledge to be able to access it. Ie if you get Battle Cry for $140, pledge at least $155 to get access. If you pledge more than you are set, you just need to pick what you want.
(finger twitches again back to change pledge again to Battle Cry and add-ons again...VEF-4, Monster, Zentradi Infantry and Armored VTs...) Waiting for the KS to end to figure out what to keep.
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I was almost tempted by this but it was just too much money for just the miniatures (I only wanted the pods)... so I have reluctantly decided against it :(
I would have loved to join in the fun but I just can't afford to.
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I can't remember ever seeing a starter (Battle Cry) with that much stuff in for $140. It's quite insane.
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I was almost tempted by this but it was just too much money for just the miniatures (I only wanted the pods)... so I have reluctantly decided against it :(
I would have loved to join in the fun but I just can't afford to.
Do a lower pledge and enough for add-ons for the Pods then...don't get the full sets if you want something specific.
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I'm in at showdown.
Going to be a pretty big box arriving in December to try and hide from the Mrs :o
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I'm in at showdown.
Going to be a pretty big box arriving in December to try and hide from the Mrs :o
Mine knows it is on the way...
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I can't remember ever seeing a starter (Battle Cry) with that much stuff in for $140. It's quite insane.
That's one of the reasons I pledged on this one and not on other projects previously. It's very good value for money plus there's still room for more bonus items to be added to it. Of course the thing that's tempting more money from my crecit card is all the purchase add-ons. ;)
I'm wondering how far it'll run though now. There are a lot of extra's still to come it seems but I'm not sure we're going to get much further down the list. I reckon it'll stall before $1.4m.
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Honestly if anyone is considering pledging...you'd be insane not to. Heck if I had the money I'd have bought a couple Showdown sets. The re-sale potential on ebay for extra components you don't need is going to be well worth it. I did the math here real quick...pricing everything according to "add-ons" versus the Battle Cry contents.
Battle Cry: $140 (shipped)
Cost of models if purchased as add-ons: $472...
And...if the add-ons truly are priced lower than the eventual MSRP...you're simply nuts to not invest if you want ANY of the models. Buy the box for your pods and sell the other stuff. By the way the cost of Battle Cry also includes dice, stickers, tokens, templates, yada yada - that wasn't even considered.
EDIT: After doing that math I bumped up to the $260 level. I'll ebay anything I don't need later and use that money to buy kits when the game is fully released. It's too good of a value not to get in on, and I'm a gigantic Robotech freak. I still blame Styx.
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Well, I guess that is a good blame then! lol
I have $260 pledged...so I can go Showdown or Battle Cry with a few add ons....the VEF 4, Armored VT and some of the experimental stuff otherwise. I just have to decide if I want a ton of stuff or get a little of this'and'that as my wife loves for me to call it.
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Well, I guess that is a good blame then! lol
I have $260 pledged...so I can go Showdown or Battle Cry with a few add ons....the VEF 4, Armored VT and some of the experimental stuff otherwise. I just have to decide if I want a ton of stuff or get a little of this'and'that as my wife loves for me to call it.
The Showdown got a bit better. I am happy, I miss the MAC some of the other upgrades would have been cool.
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Honestly, Battle Cry is very close to all you'd need (maybe not if you plan on playing the actual rules they're releasing). But throw in a couple of ace pilots and the supplied mecha are more than enough for any representative fight (especially if you use Battle Pod wave rules or something to that effect).
I'm going to use my 1/200 stuff to playtest my own rules...figure it'll be 6 months or more before anything shows up and then another 6 months to a year before I have enough stuff painted to really game in the 1/285th scale anyway. I'll slowly compile some terrain in the months between.
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Whoa...weird...they're bringing in some proper Macross stuff (Meltran/Zeltran or whatever...from Macross II) in the Nousjadeul-Ger prototype stuff. Weird that they're mixing proper Macross stuff into Robotech.
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Whoa...weird...they're bringing in some proper Macross stuff (Meltran/Zeltran or whatever...from Macross II) in the Nousjadeul-Ger prototype stuff. Weird that they're mixing proper Macross stuff into Robotech.
Most of it didn't make it sad to say. I think they was trying to merge some things to cross platform, the problem was a bit too late.
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Eh, I'm fine with that - actually prefer it. I wouldn't have likely used it in my games anyway. I'd have preferred that stuff be applied to better components or cheaper prices on normal Robotech stuff...(give us more models, etc.). Overall I'm stoked. It'll be a long 6 month wait.
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I'm rather amused that the Orguroids made it in as "experimental battloids".
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Yeah, what's the story with those? Another Macross thing? Looked rather...silly. I won't be buying them.
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They're from Orguss, a show very similar in theme to the 3 that went into Robotech (and nearly was part of Robotech) about a pilot of a very veritech-like mecha that gets caught in the blast of a new superweapon that merges earth with a bunch of other planets and aliens/cyborgs/robots fight for control of the new planet. Orguss and Macross were done by the same studio or same artists or something and there's a few easter eggs and nods to each other in both shows: Rick and the SDF-1 bridge crew appear very briefly in a scene of Orguss, and the Orguss main mech appears for a brief moment in Macross during one of the battles. So yes, it is "from" Robotech. Just like the VF-4 was also in Robotech...as a model Rick is playing with in an episode.
The other designs are made up and come from the RPG supplements I think. Unfortunately they are not Macross II designs as those designs were absolutely fantastic. It's too bad the story was rather poorly written and done by a different studio than Macross proper and retconned into nonexistence because the mecha from Macross II are far superior to much of what we got with Plus/7/Zero/Frontier. The experimental Zentraedi designs are not from any of those series either, BTW.
I kind of like that ND is making some original designs and expanding upon the Canon, if they stick with just what was in the shows it's gonna be pretty limiting. Plus these look pretty cool.
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I can cope with some alternate weapons (especially if they keep with the look/feel of the show). I'm not too keen on randomly generated mecha, and I'm fine leaving out mecha which are...as you said, Easter eggs. Overall, I'm very pleased that the range was as expansive as it ended up being. They didn't miss a single important thing to my mind.
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As Kalamadea mentioned, the orguroids are the battloid form of the hero mecha from Superdimensional Century Orguss, the show which took over Superdimensional Fortress Macross' time slot on Japanese television when the show's run ended. The shows shared a lot of creative staff, so there are a fair number of easter eggs between the shows.
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It's been an unreal experience this KS.
Can't wait for the miniatures to arrive. Guess I'll have to make some terrain while I wait. :)
Now I just have to decide what I want for add-on $.
I really, really want a Monster, but you can get 2 squads for the Price of 1 Monster. Hmm...
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Now I just have to decide what I want for add-on $.
I really, really want a Monster, but you can get 2 squads for the Price of 1 Monster. Hmm...
Monster! You know you'll regret not getting one.
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Ha, ha. I guess you're right. :D
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I had to regret it, otherwise I could not get Showdown.
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Remember...selling off a small portion of your Showdown stuff will get you a Monster eventually anyway. The Monster is too big to bother with until you have some reasonable forces built up.
Personally...I'm going to renew my 1/200 idea of making a modular (transforming) SDF-1 board...with pieces that change/shift and move during the game. Time to renew that idea.
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Remember...selling off a small portion of your Showdown stuff will get you a Monster eventually anyway. The Monster is too big to bother with until you have some reasonable forces built up.
Personally...I'm going to renew my 1/200 idea of making a modular (transforming) SDF-1 board...with pieces that change/shift and move during the game. Time to renew that idea.
Considering the Showdown is about 1k on both sides of the fence....yea, I think I can justify it! :-*
Concept sounds interesting, I would like to see posts on the project.
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Personally...I'm going to renew my 1/200 idea of making a modular (transforming) SDF-1 board...with pieces that change/shift and move during the game. Time to renew that idea.
Mike and I build a Death Star terrain set once many moons ago. We also used it once as the surface of the SDF-1 in a Robotech/Macross game. Since then we found out there's a Death Star terrain mat being sold for the X-Wing game which will replace our old, rather cumbersome terrain. That could also be useful for the SDF-1 surface.
Just an idea.
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I was just going to have my buddy laser-cut me some 1'x1' MDF tiles with some details cut on them....they'd have joints cut into them as well. Using my game rules, when a certain objective card was drawn, each tile would rotate/elevate/disappear according to a dice roll. It would only happen once per game. Just something to throw the game around a bit. With 1/285th stuff though I might even try for something more...elaborate. I think with enough planning I could come up with a cool transforming table.
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A little inspiration for the long wait...I stumbled across this last year when working on my Macross game. Not sure what it is...other than a high-def remake of the credits. I think if they redid the entire series with the old audio and new artwork it'd be pretty slick.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feZ8pWtpuR0
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I think if they redid the entire series with the old audio and new artwork it'd be pretty slick.
I think it would be great to see a remake of the series but I'd say the audio would also need re-recording as it's a bit corny and dated now.
My new Robotech Complete Series set of DVDs just arrived so I'll be popping disc 1 of 18 into my laptop shortly! Should keep me going for now.
:D
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They can't even get enough money and self-motivation to make Shadow Rising. I can't see a reboot of the series happening.
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Oh, I know it won't happen - just dreaming. They're pushing forward with a live action movie which will probably ruin the entire franchise. :-[
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Is that the same live action movie that's been spoken about for around 5-6 years with no sign of its existence?
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Yep, but a couple months ago Warner Bros. came out and said they're going forward with it- they named the director, someone I didn't recognize. Thankfully no mention of Toby McGuire or whatever his name is.
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Some recent "movement" on the project. Still a far way off though.
http://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming/i-am-legend-producer-brings-robotech-out-of-the-80s-into-movie-theaters/ (http://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming/i-am-legend-producer-brings-robotech-out-of-the-80s-into-movie-theaters/)
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Elijah Wood would make a great Rick Hunter imo.
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I have never really nailed down a proper Rick Hunter...I had planned out a nice cast for the entire movie at one time. Rick Hunter was the one I hadn't decided on. lol
Part of me thinks now that James Franco could pull it off nicely.
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James Franco has this semi-permanent drunken look to him. Probably be a better Roy.
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I was going to go a bit "old" with Roy and go with Aaron Eckhart
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-3M8b8IlpJ0I/TmzLTcUthtI/AAAAAAAABOM/TFhZdt8VPXU/s400/aaron-eckhar-6.jpg)
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No, no. This is Roy Fokker:
(http://i2.listal.com/image/419702/200full-.jpg)
Denis Leary
:)
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Nah, Fokker has to be able to be a ladies' man...and Denis Leary is...not. lol
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Heh. But I hobe we can agree upon this lady as Claudia Grant:
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_NO2UOMMYKZ0/Sl7IfYxmXJI/AAAAAAAAHC4/Jqm8bnIF3Rs/s400/LRS-019044.jpg)
On a more serious note: I'm planning a battlefield with scattered debris from a wrecked Zentradi Cruiser. Has anyone got a good Picture of a Zentradi turret with a Veritech or other mecha NeXT to it for size compariosn?
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Jaeger, I can probably dig that up. I also have all the old RPG books, and while some of the information is pure speculation on Palladium's part - some of them have good info. The Zentraedi book even has cruiser layouts (I was already planning an interior section of a Zentraedi ship for a convention game in 1/200...so the smaller scale would be even better!) Let me go take a peak...see what the books say/show.
PS: Netflix just took down Robotech...dammit! Make up your minds! lol
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No luck in the books, but I'll be watching the entire Macross saga here shortly. Surely something flies past one at one point (or along it, when the Veritechs are zipping along the ships in some of the episodes). I'll let you know. I do believe the turret should be as big if not bigger than a mecha if that helps.
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That's how I remember them too. I seem to recall Rick or Max running around a cruiser while blasting turrets.
My Google-fu has failed me so far.
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I took a quick look through my copy of Macross Perfect Memory, but did not see a scale reference for the turret. Great illustrations of the turrets themselves, but nothing for scale. I'll take a better look and see what I can find.
Mike
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I found this:
(http://www.macross2.net/m3/sdfmacross/nupetiet-vergnitzs/zentradi-gunsandlaunchers.gif)
But still nothing to scale. Guess I'll have to catch a few episodes og the Macross Saga to find out. :)