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Title: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ash on April 28, 2013, 12:15:28 AM
RLI Fireforce
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=53230.0

FRELIMO BTR-152
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=53230.15

ZANLA
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=53230.30

RhSAS & RAR
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=53230.30

Scratch built Huts
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=53230.45

Eland AML-90
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=53230.60

WIP RAR
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=53230.60

RhAF 'Lynx' Cessna 337
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=53230.75

RhAF 'Cheetah' Bell 205
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=53230.90

RLI
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=53230.105

RAR
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=53230.105
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=53230.120

Selous Scout vehicles
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=53230.135

PUMA MPV, Scorpion Mortar carrier
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=53230.180

Cast Huts
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=53230.195

Farmers
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=53230.210

Intaf
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=53230.225

WIP Paradak
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=53230.240

RhSAS  Op Uric
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=53230.270

MAP 4.5
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=53230.270

Rural store
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=53230.285

RhAF Britten Norman Islander
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=53230.285

MAP 7.5
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=53230.285

FAF display board
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=53230.300

Rural store 2
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=53230.315

Bedford RL
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=53230.330

SAAF Puma Op Uric
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=53230.330

RhAF K-car Alfa
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=53230.345

Alouette III build step by step
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=53230.345

Group shots
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=53230.375


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These are the first 20mm I've done, I was initially on the hunt for 28mm Rhodesians, but these were just too nice not to have a go.
I much prefer the 'later war' look to these blokes, jump overalls and fireforce vests etc; plus the added bonus that when I went looking for Alouette IIIs, the 1/72 scale kits were a lot easier to find and considerably cheaper than their 1/48 scale counterparts.

All the Soldiers are from Under Fire Miniatures, the helos are Heller, the pilots are Elhiem Figures (http://www.elhiemfigures.com/prod_desc_FP08.html?sno=298), I also found a couple of nice door gunners but cannot remember where they came from.

I picked up the Selous Scouts packs and a couple of packs each of the RLI minis. After a little reorg and a few head swaps on some that I had doubles of, I made up a load of four man sticks. For the RLI each has a stick leader with FN and a radio, an MAG gunner plus two with FN (one stick has a gunner with an RPK).

(https://i.ibb.co/c8c3d17/20mm-RLI-stick-E-front-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/v1sLRy7/20mm-RLI-stick-E-rear-LR.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/fGyQj3h/20mm-RLI-stick-D-front-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/LdmPwNJ/20mm-RLI-stick-D-rear-LR.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/rbMtBcQ/20mm-RLI-stick-C-front-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/p0nRNW2/20mm-RLI-stick-C-rear-LR.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/JspT5kt/20mm-RLI-stick-B-front-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/vXVH18F/20mm-RLI-stick-B-rear-LR.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/hMgVhX6/20mm-RLI-stick-A-front-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/C9gqcCw/20mm-RLI-stick-A-rear-LR.jpg)

These are one pack of Selous Scouts, before I pinched a couple of blokes to make up the RLI sticks.
(https://i.ibb.co/x5Gkfv6/20mm-Selous-Scouts-A-font-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/4RCs90M/20mm-Selous-Scouts-A-rear-LR.jpg)

I had a few spare RLI and the other Scouts, which I decided to paint up in Rhodesian camo to use as RhSAS,
they look the part with Soviet weapons and one group has all the back packs.

(https://i.ibb.co/hWJNYMj/20mm-SAS-A-front-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/QM6MRJY/20mm-SAS-A-rear-LR.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/0fJ3byj/20mm-SAS-B-front-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/8zQKqLf/20mm-SAS-B-rear-LR.jpg)

3 G-cars with twin .30cal brownings and 1 K-car with 20mm cannon, I've also got a Cessna 337 to convert to a Lynx and a Dakota sitting in a box, somewhere . . .

K-Car
(https://image.ibb.co/bXF84a/K_car_1_front_LR.jpg)
(https://image.ibb.co/cgWgPa/K_car_1_rear_LR.jpg)

G-Car
(https://image.ibb.co/hQovja/G_car_3_front_LR.jpg)
(https://image.ibb.co/eUxzAF/G_car_3_rear_LR.jpg)

(https://image.ibb.co/i80VHv/G_car_2_front_LR.jpg)
(https://image.ibb.co/bxSAHv/G_car_2_rear_LR.jpg)

(https://image.ibb.co/hQiHxv/G_car_1_front_LR.jpg)
(https://image.ibb.co/b25xxv/G_car_1_rear_LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: von Lucky on April 28, 2013, 01:00:19 AM
Very nice - still a lot of character on those infantry and I suspect it's easier to keep those birds aloft.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: redzed on April 28, 2013, 06:59:17 AM
that's some really impressive painting 8)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Ash on April 28, 2013, 09:00:51 AM
Cheers, I really like this range, if they made them all in 28mm as well I'd buy them all again!

I have the RAR stick waiting for paint and the ZANLA guerillas, first
 packs have been finished:

(https://image.ibb.co/dBh7LF/20mm_ZANLA_1_LR.jpg)

(https://image.ibb.co/kDSP0F/20mm_ZANLA_2_LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Captain Blood on April 28, 2013, 09:02:37 AM
Great figures and I like the painting.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: S_P on April 28, 2013, 02:44:35 PM
Very nice- a consistently high standard throughout all the figs.  :)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Kingscarbine on April 28, 2013, 04:33:00 PM
Very nice. Where did you get the 20mm gun and gunner?
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Ash on April 28, 2013, 07:22:38 PM
The gunner is a pilot figure, came from the same set as the techs on the G-cars. I can't remember where I got them from, so if anyone recognises them I would like to know myself!
The 20mm was scratch built from Evergreen plastic rod, plasticard, a bit of brass tube and a paperclip - dont look too close.
Here's one of the WIP pics, gives a better view:
(https://image.ibb.co/fx0K0F/WIP_K_Car_guns.jpg)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: gamer Mac on April 28, 2013, 07:28:32 PM
The gunner looks like SHQ Vietnam helo crew, I have some.
Lovely thread
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Kingscarbine on April 28, 2013, 08:13:28 PM
The 20mm was scratch built from Evergreen plastic rod, plasticard, a bit of brass tube and a paperclip - dont look too close.

Looks good to me. I have four Heller Alouettes to assemble and will use them for Portuguese Air Force. One will be a "Bad Wolf" 20mm heli-cannon for aerial support. I'll use Elhiem crews but have been looking for a 20mm for some time.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Ash on April 28, 2013, 10:53:45 PM
I think the Elhiem (http://www.elhiemfigures.com/prod_desc_FP08.html?sno=298) pilots are great for a project like this, as they are fairly uncluttered with life jackets, OTT helmets etc.

(https://image.ibb.co/iFUe0F/PIP_20mm_Pilots.jpg)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Londoncopper on April 30, 2013, 07:23:52 PM
Outstanding work! I was all set to order some Liberation figures until I saw this thread, now you force me to take the more expensive option!
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Ash on April 30, 2013, 08:30:05 PM
Thanks a lot.
Personally, I think these guys are excellent. I wish Under Fire did helo crews for the Alouette III, as for the most part, detail wise just about everything else didn't really compare.
I've just ordered some more little blokes for another couple of ongoing projects; 1) a little Executive outcomes force [on the hunt for a good BMP-2] and 2) a Daniel Carney'esque 'Wild Geese' force.
That should keep me out of trouble for a bit . . .
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Westfalia Chris on April 30, 2013, 08:50:16 PM
Thanks a lot.
Personally, I think these guys are excellent. I wish Under Fire did helo crews for the Alouette III, as for the most part, detail wise just about everything else didn't really compare.

Hear hear! For the time being, I'd settle for a pack of Grey's Scouts and maybe some Paratroopers, but vehicle crews would be great.

Regarding your topic, I wish I had seen them earlier - when I assembled my Alouettes, I considered the construction too flimsy to work with a reduced canopy, so fit them enclosed and painted in the glass. The extra detail of the crew and guns really sets them apart.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Kingscarbine on April 30, 2013, 08:54:51 PM
Here are some photos of Portuguese armed helis in Africa and more recent photos of a 20mm.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Ash on April 30, 2013, 09:16:15 PM
Great pictures. Look at the size of the ammo cans on the second pic, looks about half a ton!
The last picture is just what I've been looking for; got to be the same weapon in the picture I have, just taken from the other side - thanks a lot for posting those.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Ash on April 30, 2013, 09:30:04 PM
Hear hear! For the time being, I'd settle for a pack of Grey's Scouts and maybe some Paratroopers, but vehicle crews would be great.

Regarding your topic, I wish I had seen them earlier - when I assembled my Alouettes, I considered the construction too flimsy to work with a reduced canopy, so fit them enclosed and painted in the glass. The extra detail of the crew and guns really sets them apart.

Funnily enough, I've got Para troopers on my to do list, should be a fairly straight forward conversion (head swap).

I know what you mean about flimsy, I don't know if it's the age of the kits or what, but these things break just by looking at them too hard. Every wheel has been pined back on aswell as all the rotor blades. The blades have all had some thin steel rod attached and after my daughters cat vandalised the fleet I ended up magnatising the all the rotor assemblies.

(https://image.ibb.co/jYVBfF/Allouette_III_rotor_magnet_1_LR.jpg)

After chopping the doors off I added the upright support post back on the gunner's side.

(https://preview.ibb.co/faKOSv/WIP_G_Car_gun_mounts.jpg) (https://ibb.co/g8vxnv)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Arlequín on April 30, 2013, 11:26:49 PM
Are paratroopers a problem for some reason?

I know troops on Fire Force wore British Para helmets/motorcycle helmets for the jumps, but they ditched them with the chutes on landing.

:?
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Westfalia Chris on May 01, 2013, 07:11:44 AM
Are paratroopers a problem for some reason?

I know troops on Fire Force wore British Para helmets/motorcycle helmets for the jumps, but they ditched them with the chutes on landing.

:?


I guess you're right - for me it would be more of an aesthetic/practical convention in order to identify para sticks at first glance. Chutes should be off, in any case.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Ash on May 01, 2013, 10:31:33 AM
I was thinking para stick ID as well, although I have a 1/72 Dakota (hiding somewhere, not quite sure how a box that size can hide, will find it one day) and may do a scenic base for it with some troops lined up next to it . . .

My main motivation is that I'm using the heads from an RLI pack to convert some modern Russians for my little EO group, and wanted something to stick back on the RLI bodies, so Para helmets seamed a good alternative, the headless WW2 paras, who are donating their heads, will then get some heads with berets that I have found, as a separate item.

Whilst looking for new ideas I was inspired by this pic of a BTR-152, knocked out by 2Cdo RLI troops in Mozamique:
(https://image.ibb.co/fM9ySv/BTR_152.jpg)

I found a 1/72 BTR-152 kit on eBay and made this:

(https://image.ibb.co/fs1dVF/BTR_152_I_LR.jpg)
(https://image.ibb.co/m6Aixv/BTR_152_A_LR.jpg)
(https://image.ibb.co/d1pMja/BTR_152_D_LR.jpg)
(https://image.ibb.co/eLNVcv/BTR_152_H_LR.jpg)
(https://image.ibb.co/hGDQAF/BTR_152_E_LR.jpg)
(https://image.ibb.co/gjPAcv/BTR_152_G_LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Westfalia Chris on May 01, 2013, 12:19:21 PM
My main motivation is that I'm using the heads from an RLI pack to convert some modern Russians for my little EO group, and wanted something to stick back on the RLI bodies, so Para helmets seamed a good alternative, the headless WW2 paras, who are donating their heads, will them get some heads with berets that I can get as a separate item.

What manufacturer will you be using for the WW2 paras? I've been looking on and off for a range that will somehow match the UF minis in bulk (and preferably also in style).
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Super Mosca on May 01, 2013, 12:49:31 PM
Great work! Your figures and helos all look excellent.

Just a note: the ammo feed on the Rhodesian K-car 20mm cannons was from the opposite side than that of the Portuguese cannons.

This one is South African but shows the feed:
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-9kEUd_QwzSc/UYD-vDRp8dI/AAAAAAAAAVw/l8J7ZQkx-m0/w320-h217/Alouette%252520III%252520%25252820mm%252520cannon%252520mounted_%252520This%252520is%252520the%252520same%252520as%252520a%252520RhAF%252520K-car%252529.jpg)

-Kosta
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Ash on May 01, 2013, 01:11:18 PM
@ Westfalia Chris: I just ordered some from CP Models (http://www.cpmodelsminiatures.co.uk/index.htm) not tried anything from there before so fingers crosses that they fit!

@ Super Mosca: Thanks very much. Also thanks for the info on the different ammo feeds.

Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Westfalia Chris on May 01, 2013, 01:15:32 PM
@ Westfalia Chris: I just ordered some from CP Models (http://www.cpmodelsminiatures.co.uk/index.htm) not tried anything from there before so fingers crosses that they fit!

I say! From the pics, they look like they would match quite well! I had CP stowed away in the 28mm Scifi/Fantasy link folder, so never thought to look there. Thanks!

I had my eye on SHQ figures, as I used to own a couple of their WW2 Germans, but the site seems to be devoid of pics at the moment.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Arlequín on May 01, 2013, 01:51:12 PM
@ Westfalia Chris: I just ordered some from CP Models (http://www.cpmodelsminiatures.co.uk/index.htm) not tried anything from there before so fingers crosses that they fit!

They probably will, I'm sure they were part of the same company a while back... If my memory is correct that is, in which case Tony Boustead is likely to have sculpted both sets.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Westfalia Chris on May 01, 2013, 02:20:08 PM
They probably will, I'm sure they were part of the same company a while back... If my memory is correct that is, in which case Tony Boustead is likely to have sculpted both sets.

That would explain it. The overall style in the (inked casting) photos is remarkably similar.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: cp models on May 01, 2013, 02:36:48 PM
Thanks for the order Ash

Just to confirm that TQD Castings should be a good match for Under Fire Miniatures as they were both sculpted by Tony Boustead

Empress Miniatures 20mm should also fit nicely as these were also sculpted by Tony

Hope this helps

Mark 
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Ash on May 01, 2013, 06:23:59 PM


What a busy chap!
I just Googled the talented Mr Bousted and he also did the rather gorgeously well sculpted 28mm Modern Brits from Empress. I've picked up a few from Salute, just to try painting the new camo pattern.

http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=53182.0

@ Arlequin & Mark: Cheers for the info.

I thought there was something familiar about some of the CP Polish Paras without helmets, give them FNs and they would fit right in with the RLI models.

Mark, I'm really looking forward to getting stuck into the new figures; I'll post some pictures once I start chucking paint at things!
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Kingscarbine on May 01, 2013, 10:13:51 PM
I would like to see more Bush and Border Wars stuff from Under Fire Miniatures.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Arlequín on May 02, 2013, 09:39:52 AM
I would like to see more Bush and Border Wars stuff from Under Fire Miniatures.

This.

I would happily invest in 20mm for a number of settings, this included, if the figures matched the quality of the models... which those do.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Ash on May 05, 2013, 05:11:33 PM
Finished the third ZANLA pack from Under Fire; just tweeked a couple of them, one lengthened his shirt & another changed his shirt into a camo smock and added a couple of ammo pouches, for no reason other than it made them look more like the reference pictures:

(https://image.ibb.co/ekGRf5/ZANLA_group_3_front_LR.jpg)

(https://image.ibb.co/i8OTtQ/ZANLA_group_3_rear_LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: von Lucky on May 05, 2013, 10:39:35 PM
Lots of character - I like them a lot.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Golgotha on May 06, 2013, 12:39:35 AM
Simply fantastic and great to see Bush war come to life.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Ash on May 06, 2013, 09:12:18 PM
Cheers chaps.

Waiting in anticipation for reinforcements to arrive . . .
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Ash on May 11, 2013, 01:28:09 PM
After chopping the heads off some RLI minis for another project, I got hold of some suitable replacements and converted the bits to represent a couple of late war RhSAS.

(https://image.ibb.co/gjtQ9k/WIP_Rh_SAS_RPD_front_LR.jpg)

(https://image.ibb.co/jSt3vQ/WIP_Rh_SAS_RPD_rear_LR.jpg)

Based on this picture, taken during Mapai raid '79.
(https://image.ibb.co/b8ZwfF/Rh_SAS_Op_Uric_LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Westy38 on May 11, 2013, 02:56:43 PM
I would like to see more Bush and Border Wars stuff from Under Fire Miniatures.

Ask and ye shall receive. Next commission to go in with Tony will have more ZANLA & RAR. Elsewhere I believe I've committed to doing K & G-Car modification kits !!

www.underfireminiatures.com
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: verd on May 13, 2013, 02:14:58 PM
Really cool and inspiring !  :-*
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Ash on May 16, 2013, 11:46:59 AM
Spare parts mash up to get something to count as RhSAS:

(https://image.ibb.co/ee8cNv/Rh_SAS_Para_MAG_front_LR.jpg)
(https://image.ibb.co/jRafaF/Rh_SAS_Para_MAG_rear_LR.jpg)

(https://image.ibb.co/ioa2pa/Rh_SAS_Para_RPD_front_LR.jpg)
(https://image.ibb.co/b8zdUa/Rh_SAS_Para_RPD_rear_LR.jpg)

Rhodesian African Rifles stick:

(https://image.ibb.co/kjQDvF/RAR_stick_1_B_front_LR.jpg)

Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Arlequín on May 16, 2013, 01:06:37 PM
I wonder if I could get away with closing this topic out of sheer envy....  :D
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Ash on May 16, 2013, 09:22:56 PM
Too kind, just don't look too close!

Here's the last of the pictures of the RAR, & that's me done until the next release:

(https://image.ibb.co/m1gL9k/RAR_stick_1_A_front_LR.jpg)
(https://image.ibb.co/cXHhN5/RAR_stick_1_A_R_side_LR.jpg)
(https://image.ibb.co/fWHSpk/RAR_stick_1_A_rear_LR.jpg)
(https://image.ibb.co/n9NhN5/RAR_stick_1_A_L_side_LR.jpg)

(https://image.ibb.co/kjQDvF/RAR_stick_1_B_front_LR.jpg)
(https://image.ibb.co/buLfaF/RAR_stick_1_B_L_side_LR.jpg)
(https://image.ibb.co/nKWmFF/RAR_stick_1_B_rear_LR.jpg)
(https://image.ibb.co/fHShpa/RAR_stick_1_B_R_side_LR.jpg)

Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: moonshado on May 17, 2013, 05:50:50 PM
I love this topic(and my interests normally stop at 1939), your work is brilliant and highly detailed.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Golgotha on May 18, 2013, 07:48:10 PM
Your painting is remarkable sir - the level of natural looking detail you have achieved in 20mm is truly realistic a real tribute to the Rhodesian conflict.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Ash on May 18, 2013, 08:27:22 PM
Thanks guys, I can only praise the models. The level of detail makes you feel like you're painting something bigger, just need a smaller brush & less paint!
I did have a go at doing a stick of troopies in 1/35 scale a few years ago. Couldn't find the right webbing and the rifles are a bit small, but was a good test for trying the camo:

Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Westfalia Chris on May 18, 2013, 09:35:52 PM
Thanks guys, I can only praise the models. The level of detail makes you feel like you're painting something bigger, just need a smaller brush & less paint!
I did have a go at doing a stick of troopies in 1/35 scale a few years ago. Couldn't find the right webbing and the rifles are a bit small, but was a good test for trying the camo:

Outstanding work. What models did you use as a basis?
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Ash on May 18, 2013, 09:49:09 PM
The 1/35 scale blokes were based on the Dragon 'Nam series' US Navy Seals II # 3316.

Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Ash on May 24, 2013, 06:28:55 PM
Had a go at converting some Paras, used the 'U.S. AIRBORNE INFANTRY BOARDING AIRCRAFT' from TQD castings @ CP Models (http://www.cpmodelsminiatures.co.uk/index.htm). Chopped off their weapons and replaced them with some rather oversized SLRs from MJfigures, they are about 20% bigger than the rifles on the previous models. Even after chopping bits off to shorten them they still look huge. I filed down the helmets to look more like the British ones and chopped off the boot knives, entrenching tools etc. Just a bit of fun.

(https://image.ibb.co/nEvBh5/WIP_RLI_paras_LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Ash on June 16, 2013, 11:49:58 PM
Decided to have a go at some huts, this is where I'm at so far:


(https://image.ibb.co/cUYgh5/WIP-Kraal-1-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Slayer on June 17, 2013, 01:45:24 AM
man they look good :D
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: AlexM on June 17, 2013, 04:18:20 AM
Dude, those look awesome! What did you use for the hut walls?
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Ash on June 18, 2013, 05:09:22 PM
I'd been wanting to have a go at some huts for ages and once I'd found some suitable bits they were fairly straight forward. The bases are just that foam core board; the walls & fences are made from sticks ( Beech seems to work well, as nice straight lengths, it's also thin enough to look scaled to the little blokes). Cut little holes in the board with knife tip, push in stick with a bit of PVA; once dry I put some masking tape around the inside to stop them moving and added some filler to the outside (don't forget to leave a gap for the door!).
The roof, a little framework of sticks and PVA, then chopped the bristles from and old paint brush (I think the MK 2 huts will have more layers of bristles). Attack with paint . . .

(https://image.ibb.co/c3DWh5/Huts-A-LR.jpg)

(https://image.ibb.co/eHimFQ/Huts-B-LR.jpg)

(https://image.ibb.co/gCqBh5/RLI-Kraal-LR.jpg)

Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Arlequín on June 18, 2013, 10:02:27 PM
Very impressive!  :)

Maybe the roofs should be thicker, but to be honest they work for me as they are.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: von Lucky on June 18, 2013, 11:04:34 PM
Very nice - the colours and textures are very pleasing.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Ash on July 16, 2013, 02:49:49 PM
I picked up a couple of armoured cars to add into the mix. A Ferret MK2/3 from bw models (http://"http://www.bwmodels.co.uk/index.asp") and an AML-60 from ACE:

(https://image.ibb.co/fu22qF/AML-60-grunts-LR.jpg)

(https://image.ibb.co/iKiYVF/Ferret-Mk2-profile-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Earther on July 20, 2013, 09:39:20 PM
MORE!  :D

I love this thread! Thanks for sharing Ash!
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Goosegog on July 21, 2013, 09:30:22 AM
Great work. This is a period which has caught my interest of late. But so far I have resisted buying anything. I don't think I could give the figures the justice you have in 20mm. 
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Ash on August 07, 2013, 06:05:55 PM
Thanks for the comments, @ Goosegog just go for it mate, pick up some troops ( I'd recommend the Under Fire range all day long) check out some of reference pictures ( I can send you links to a couple of good sites) and paint some tests. I just make it up as I go along, so long as I'm in the mood for painting . . .

Finally got around to painting the paras. Made a bit of a mess with a couple of the rifles, ended up buying some more from a company called BM, but they were as too small as the others where too big. Ended up chopping them up, then mixing bits from both.
A weapons pack from Underfire would be top of my list (hint,hint) FNs & MAG, AK47 & RPD . . .

(https://image.ibb.co/iLCySk/PARA-stick-front-LR.jpg)

(https://image.ibb.co/hMsnL5/PARA-stick-rear-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Centaur_Seducer on August 07, 2013, 09:32:03 PM
Wow mate! :-*
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Earther on August 08, 2013, 11:53:47 AM
Nicely done!  :D
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Ash on August 10, 2013, 09:59:56 AM
Cheers chaps.
Well that's me now totally out of 20mm things to paint . . .
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: juergen c. olk on August 19, 2013, 10:44:59 PM
Your work is awesome,I am glad to see how well the  "UnderFire",miniatures paintup,and the para conversions are great.I love the helo's,I found some diecast in poland for a good price .I lost my love for building models I had when i was younger.Also I would like to ask if I could post a few of your pictures on my http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/ModernAfricanBushwars    it's a group I run dedicated to post WW2 warfare in Africa,all albums are available for downloading by members,info sharing encouraged.It would be a honour to post some pictures,my favorite area is Rhodesia,with due credit given of course to you and this site. Sincerely Juergen C. Olk,keep up the good work.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Ash on August 21, 2013, 12:48:00 AM
Cheers juergen, I sent you a PM.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Ash on March 14, 2014, 05:40:44 PM
Not really part of a Fire force, but an addition to my Rhodesian forces. A couple of AML-90 Eland, by ACE.

(https://image.ibb.co/ieOLcv/Rh-ACR-Eland-90-L-LR.jpg)

(https://image.ibb.co/cO6TVF/Rh-ACR-Eland-90-R-LR.jpg)

(https://image.ibb.co/n5kcPa/AML-90-green-LR.jpg)

(https://image.ibb.co/jM5Bja/AML-90-front-R-34-LR.jpg)

 All three together.

(https://i.ibb.co/cQ2VZn1/Rh-ACR-AMLs-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Ash on March 15, 2014, 07:25:21 PM
Also finished off some more guerrillas:

(https://image.ibb.co/njaV7k/Gooks-1-front-LR.jpg)

(https://image.ibb.co/d6rgDQ/Gooks-1-rear-LR.jpg)

(https://image.ibb.co/dF6EYQ/Gooks-2-front-LR.jpg)

(https://image.ibb.co/n8Hz05/Gooks-2-rear-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Earther on March 15, 2014, 07:42:10 PM
More awesome! Those look the business Ash. Keep 'em coming. :D
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: zhodani commando on April 11, 2014, 10:58:49 PM
Hello Ash,

Are the links broken? I can't see your stuff on the page. I can see other peoples images in response to you. I am able to go to photo bucket and see them there. Nice stuff.


Cheers
Kevin
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Ash on April 12, 2014, 12:07:08 AM
I must have posted to many pics and maxed out the freebie bandwidth on my Photobucket, either that or something has hotlinked to it, it should reset next week.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Centaur_Seducer on April 12, 2014, 11:01:14 AM
 :'( :'(
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: zhodani commando on April 12, 2014, 10:39:18 PM
Thanks Ash, I just got my Helo's from Eureka in USA. G car and K car, and they aren't bad little kits. I've got some RLI primed up and ready to go to work on those first, but have to finish up some Saga stuff first. So many things I want to do, and so little time:(
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Ash on April 19, 2014, 07:37:48 PM
Just got this rather nice resin 'Crocodile' MPV from S&S Models (http://sandsmodelsshop.com/product/rhodesian-crocodile-apc/)


(https://image.ibb.co/buTn5Q/WIP_Crocodile_MPV_LR.jpg)

Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: juergen c. olk on April 20, 2014, 02:01:07 AM
I have mine built ,been on the back burner to paint. They will be replacing my Hot wheels Humvee I converted to croccodiles..Although the conversion to a hippo worked out fine. I had built them before S.and S. had them. I also made a mortar truck. Can't wait to see your great paint job.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: AndyRix on April 20, 2014, 07:37:36 AM
Brilliant thread, enjoyed seeing the underfire miniatures painted up.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Ash on May 14, 2014, 10:54:05 AM
Got some new bits from Under Fire Miniatures, very happy with these... plus some village bods from Elhiem,to go with the huts I made.
Just waiting for a few more troops to turn up and I'll break out the brushes.

(https://i.ibb.co/zPdfZws/WIP-Rhodesians-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Earther on May 27, 2014, 01:48:00 PM
Looking forward to seeing the results! :D
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Ash on May 30, 2014, 06:45:22 PM
Given them a blast with some primer:

(https://image.ibb.co/j2AH5Q/WIP_RAR_W_LR.jpg)
(https://image.ibb.co/bTT4kQ/WIP_RAR_X_LR.jpg)

Converted the MAG gunner from one of the RLI guys with shorts and the legs from a modern Russian:

(https://image.ibb.co/i9wqQQ/WIP_RAR_V_LR.jpg)
(https://image.ibb.co/csOFs5/WIP_RAR_Y_LR.jpg)
(https://image.ibb.co/bsHmzk/WIP_RAR_Z_LR.jpg)

Did a head swap to add this bloke to the RhSAS blokes I had a go at before:

(https://image.ibb.co/ms8yC5/WIP_RPG_LR.jpg)

Elhiem Villagers to add to the huts:

(https://image.ibb.co/hRZAQQ/WIP_villagers_LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Earther on June 18, 2014, 12:11:34 PM
Urgh. I want to see what you're up to, but photobucket is doing it's thing again I see…  >:(

I shall return…

 lol
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Ash on June 18, 2014, 08:07:53 PM
Apologies, that account will reset on 19th. I don't know why it keeps max'ing out so fast. I'm assuming something somewhere is hotlinked to it, but as Photobucket no longer provide usage stats I can't tell...

Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Earther on June 19, 2014, 09:51:44 AM
They're showing up in the previous posts now. Some very nice additions there - it's all looking very good. I look forward to seeing some paint on these bad boys.

The marksman lying prone next to the termite mound is cool! :D
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Too Bo Coo on June 19, 2014, 11:44:23 AM
I'm not sure if someone asked already, but what is your technique for the skin?  It's just fantastic!  The minis are really beautiful, and at 20mm no less!
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Ash on July 04, 2014, 05:31:36 PM
@ Too Bo Coo:  Here's the colours I tend to use.
African skin; base colour, vallejo cam.black brown, highlighted with Highlight Germ. (Black), finally a thin wash of black.
European skin; base colour, Vallejo flat flesh, a wash of thin brown, highlight with more flat flesh & light flesh.

WIP:  Six sticks of RAR; stick leader with radio & FN, MAG gunner plus two blokes with FN:

(https://i.ibb.co/f4cWLrq/WIP-RAR-sticks-LR.jpg)

WIP: Back four blokes will be a four man tracker team all with FN, one with radio.
Front row L-R, four man PATU stick, chap with RPG to add to the SAS group, then three stick leaders to add to the RLI Fireforce.

(https://i.ibb.co/GTBnCK1/WIP-RAR-PATU-sticks-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: juergen c. olk on July 04, 2014, 05:37:46 PM
Great looking stuff,reminds me to finish my crocodiles,great colors.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Cpl Overby on July 06, 2014, 09:32:34 PM
Hi Ash,
I have always been intrigued by the Rhodesian (and South African)
Mine Proof Vehicles like the Meerkat, Buffel, and the Leopard.......
do you think they'll go over good if I do them?
Ken
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Ash on July 07, 2014, 10:23:18 AM
I'd like to get hold of a 1/72 Buffel or two. Has anyone tried Baxmodels (http://www.baxmod.co.za/)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: juergen c. olk on July 07, 2014, 02:30:14 PM
I think they look great, but the they are a bit pricy,we just need S.and S. models to release one,they do very good work.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Ash on July 21, 2014, 02:19:50 PM
35 just wasn't enough so here's another five :

These blokes were/are the generic NATO troops from Elhiem, I just removed the butt packs and replaced with pouches, then filed down the helmets to look more like WW2 Brit para helmets (not quite there yet).
(http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r89/Ash-1_photos/20mm%20Bush%20Wars/WIP%2020mm/WIP20mmParafrontLR_zps5b7fe53f.jpg~original) (http://s142.photobucket.com/user/Ash-1_photos/media/20mm%20Bush%20Wars/WIP%2020mm/WIP20mmParafrontLR_zps5b7fe53f.jpg.html)

(http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r89/Ash-1_photos/20mm%20Bush%20Wars/WIP%2020mm/WIP20mmPararearLR_zpsd007158d.jpg~original) (http://s142.photobucket.com/user/Ash-1_photos/media/20mm%20Bush%20Wars/WIP%2020mm/WIP20mmPararearLR_zpsd007158d.jpg.html)

This bloke was just a head swap and a file down of some of the webbing, will add to my collection of RLI blokes:
(https://i.ibb.co/wcz4jqD/WIP-kneeling-MAG-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/T0V7HjQ/WIP-kneeling-MAG-B-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Earther on July 22, 2014, 10:08:39 AM
Awesome!
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Ash on July 26, 2014, 10:51:04 AM
Whilst trying to get my head in gear to paint 30+ little bloke i made a base for the Lynx, just need to work out how to do to the weapons load out...

(https://image.ibb.co/djPqHv/Lynx-1-LR.jpg)

(https://image.ibb.co/kvxAHv/Lynx-2-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Dangerdaz on July 28, 2014, 01:50:40 AM
Lovely figures n paint work 8)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Ash on July 30, 2014, 12:57:29 PM
@ Dangerdaz: Thanks for the comment.

Lynx now with added things that go boom. Scale is probably more than a tad off, but sort of looks the part.


(https://image.ibb.co/ikP1Pa/Lynx-R-front-LR.jpg)

(https://image.ibb.co/jkpqHv/Lynx-Profile-LR.jpg)

(https://image.ibb.co/nQeeAF/Lynx-front-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: juergen c. olk on July 30, 2014, 05:57:09 PM
I thinks perfect,nice and menacing,the Rhodesian A-10...kind of. I just like the fact that can cause such fear.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Ash on August 07, 2014, 07:28:11 PM
Finished off the base for the Crocodile MPV from S&S Models (http://sandsmodelsshop.com/product-category/african-vehicles/page/3/), so I've now run out of excuses to put off painting all the troops.

(https://image.ibb.co/n2aXXp/S-amp-S-Crocodile-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: von Lucky on August 07, 2014, 11:26:58 PM
Nice. Smaller suggestion - touch up the windows with black again.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Ash on August 07, 2014, 11:39:03 PM
Spotted - thanks
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: juergen c. olk on August 08, 2014, 12:30:49 AM
Great job Ash,I still have to finish mine ,I keep getting sidetracked/
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Ash on August 16, 2014, 11:06:32 PM
Latest PIP Bell 205 'Cheetah' No:8 Sq RhAF:

(https://image.ibb.co/hyjVvU/PIP-Cheetah-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: juergen c. olk on August 17, 2014, 02:52:55 AM
Good looking Cheetah and in faster time that it took Rhodesia to get those leftover relics to work right.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Arlequín on August 17, 2014, 09:56:02 AM
Great looking model, but the guns should be at the back of the troop compartment (where the side facing seats are), either side of the engine bulkhead which partly projects into the cabin. Passenger seating was on fore and aft facing benches ahead of that bulkhead.

:)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Ash on August 17, 2014, 12:15:04 PM
Great looking model, but the guns should be at the back of the troop compartment (where the side facing seats are), either side of the engine bulkhead which partly projects into the cabin. Passenger seating was on fore and aft facing benches ahead of that bulkhead.

:)

Cheers, glad you like it. Re the gun position, I've not seen any RhAF 205s with the guns at the back, generally the twin Brownings were built into a swivel mount with an integral chair, which took up a fair amount of space, mounted behind the port-side front seat. There was another bench seat behind the pilots chair.

(https://image.ibb.co/mM70t9/ae0a3d95418088b0b0b9556c930aeaec6c864547.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/0DHYbtb/4611714458-935859a846.jpg)

(https://image.ibb.co/d2pft9/10538493-520521508093506-5760885082390421993-n.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/4dT7BqZ/10610650-520521774760146-9005342901773133288-n.jpg)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Arlequín on August 17, 2014, 01:15:30 PM
I stand most definitely corrected and thanks for the photos... every other armed Bell 205 I've seen has the guns at the back, but seemingly the Rhodesians cared nothing for convention.

 lol
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Ash on August 22, 2014, 01:46:20 AM
From what I've read, when these helos arrived they were fairly knackered and not the shiny new things expected. Had to be practically rebuilt.
I've not seen a 205 with guns sticking out of the door like that either, but it sort of fits with the set up of the other RhAF helicopters.

Here's my take on the gun prior to sticking it in (used a magnet)

(https://i.ibb.co/6yFtwrh/WIP-205-gunner-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: juergen c. olk on August 22, 2014, 03:20:26 AM
Yes from what I understood it took almost a year to get them going,due to trade embargos.The other thing for gaming purposes,the Rhodesians could not waste ammo,short bursts only,Great research on the Helos.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Arlequín on August 22, 2014, 07:39:14 AM
Apparently the Rhodesians had a lot of remnant .303 ammo, but their 7.62mm and 20mm came from external sources like South Africa. By fitting the Brownings (which were ex-aircraft weapons), instead of the FN-MAG, they were effectively using up surplus ammo for no cost. The MAGs could then be issued to ground troops, who tended to waste less ammo for each kill. Earlier photos (I guess pre-'76, or thereabouts) often show a single MAG, but later ones seem to be almost entirely twin-Brownings.

They even tried experimenting with a quad-fit to replace the expensive 20mm on the K-Cars, although I gather that it was not a success. The Brownings also tended to jam a lot, which was why they fitted them in pairs on the G-Cars.

At least that's what Petter-Bowyer seems to be saying in Winds of Destruction...

:)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Ash on August 22, 2014, 07:52:49 PM
Here's the K- car Alfa ( or Dalmatian fit ):

(https://i.ibb.co/QPnqs6f/Alfa-clean-up-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: juergen c. olk on August 22, 2014, 11:21:59 PM
Thanx for the info Arlequin. Makes perfect sense.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Ash on August 29, 2014, 04:51:37 PM
Couple of other pix of the 'Cheetah' & a fairly cheapo Hunter kit I picked up on eBay:

(https://image.ibb.co/mDGjAF/Bell-205-Cheetah-Top-LR.jpg)

(https://image.ibb.co/kUHrqF/Bell-205-Cheetah-door-gun-LR.jpg)

(https://image.ibb.co/bP4t4a/Hunter-L-side-LR.jpg)

(https://image.ibb.co/kxBvHv/Hunter-R-side-LR.jpg)

(https://image.ibb.co/nbxrqF/Hunter-cockpit-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: von Lucky on August 29, 2014, 09:58:09 PM
 8)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Ash on September 01, 2014, 10:19:11 PM
I've made a start on the little blokes:

These three will be stick leaders in the RLI group.
(https://i.ibb.co/nR2mpsb/Stick-Leaders-PIP-LR.jpg)

MAG for the RLI to replace an RPK that I'm adding to a 'spare parts' PATU stick.
(https://image.ibb.co/ghCLMU/MAG_Gunner_PIP_LR.jpg)
(https://image.ibb.co/kXLko9/MAG_PIP_LR.jpg)


PATU
(https://i.ibb.co/RYPJ4Js/PATU-PIP-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: von Lucky on September 01, 2014, 10:36:03 PM
Very nice - time for some group shots?
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: juergen c. olk on September 01, 2014, 11:42:22 PM
Very Beautiful work,I can not believe you have spent cartridges on the mag gunners base!
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Earther on September 02, 2014, 10:06:02 AM
I can not believe you have spent cartridges on the mag gunners base!

I can! lol Excellent work as usual Ash! :D
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Ash on September 02, 2014, 11:12:49 AM
@ Von Lucky: Just a bit of snagging on these blokes and then I'll take some group shots of the reorganised sticks

@juergen & Earter:  :D  I couldn't resist, the base needed some detail, and as he looks like he's giving something a good rev some spent brass seemed in order. It's just little bits of brass rod chopped up with snips. I'd suggest doing this inside a bag as bits tend to fly everywhere. Weirdly it looked really odd at first so I ended up putting shiny brass paint on er.. shiny brass.

The bloke on the far right of the first pic looks like he has a bit of a long neck, small head thing going on, so may swap the head for something else. After I've painted up the others. I've broken them down into groups of eight for painting so should hopefully be able to plow through it all.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Ash on September 02, 2014, 08:26:31 PM
Groups so far, some of the new bases need darkening down a bit to fit in.

PATU
(https://i.ibb.co/bmg51Kw/PATU-A-LR.jpg)

SAS
(https://i.ibb.co/2cBXGQJ/Rh-SAS-A-LR.jpg)

RLI
(https://i.ibb.co/rGd89Z6/RLI-stick-A-LR.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/FgGHZ80/RLI-stick-B-LR.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/tYsqRR7/RLI-stick-C-LR.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/zGms2jX/RLI-stick-D-LR.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/mrpwWrn/RLI-stick-E-LR.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/1sf7WF2/RLI-stick-F-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Earther on September 02, 2014, 08:59:19 PM
You git! They really look the business!

(throws brushes down in disgust at own ability)

 lol
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Cubs on September 02, 2014, 09:12:00 PM
Utterly superb.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Ash on September 06, 2014, 10:00:41 PM
Thanks guys. RAR next, then a little commission project.

(http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r89/Ash-1_photos/20mm%20Bush%20Wars/WIP%2020mm/WIPRARLR_zps84fb3f2f.jpg~original) (http://s142.photobucket.com/user/Ash-1_photos/media/20mm%20Bush%20Wars/WIP%2020mm/WIPRARLR_zps84fb3f2f.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Ash on September 09, 2014, 09:08:38 PM
First batch done

RAR trackers:
(https://i.ibb.co/qsD1CDc/RAR-Scouts-A.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/0KbTfWH/RAR-Scouts-B.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/DwMwYqC/RAR-Scouts-C.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/wgy2fHV/RAR-Scouts-D.jpg)

RAR stick 2

(https://i.ibb.co/XbXY4WW/RAR-stick-2-front.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/84dDnYk/RAR-stick-2-rear.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/XzZ2B56/RAR-MAG-team-front.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/t3Qsmwn/RAR-MAG-team-rear.jpg)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Earther on September 09, 2014, 09:37:10 PM
Just wow! Love 'em.

Hats off to you Ash.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Ash on September 22, 2014, 09:13:45 AM
Cheers Earther.

Started another hut, to break up all the batches of little people, I think this one will be somewhat burnt out (as it saves having to do the thatched roof.):

(https://i.ibb.co/h19Fqz0/WIP-Hut-1-LR.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/L5QKLDV/WIP-Hut-2-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Ash on September 23, 2014, 02:20:47 PM
Now with added smell of smoke...

(https://i.ibb.co/gVtChnz/WIP-burnt-hut-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: von Lucky on September 23, 2014, 02:53:10 PM
Really effective.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Ash on September 24, 2014, 06:44:05 PM
Thanks. These things couldn't be simpler to make, other than the thatched roof bit which is fairly aaargh!
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Earther on October 06, 2014, 08:14:40 PM
I love this thread! :D Inspirational.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Ash on October 11, 2014, 11:13:36 PM
Cheers Earther.

Got two more sticks done:

(https://i.ibb.co/68V5fXW/RAR-stick-4-A.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/0GP9Rfk/RAR-stick-4-B.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/72dQY6y/RAR-stick-4-C.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/cwXRwvJ/RAR-stick-4-D.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/ZGtf0zv/RAR-stick-3-A.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/gwkyVSX/RAR-stick-3-B.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/2FhmMdL/RAR-stick-3-C.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/KDYnKTM/RAR-stick-3-D.jpg)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: juergen c. olk on October 12, 2014, 02:45:31 AM
Great work,love waiting for your next batch.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Ash on October 15, 2014, 05:26:55 PM
Another stick done, two more to go:

(https://i.ibb.co/cgd85yD/RAR-stick-5-A.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/t8CbVjB/RAR-stick-5-C.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/y4WX5Sz/RAR-stick-5-D.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/b27MZ5W/RAR-stick-5-B.jpg)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Earther on October 15, 2014, 05:29:40 PM
Wow. :o

Love the termite mound!
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Ash on October 17, 2014, 07:39:45 PM
@ Earther: bit of left over grout, with some MIG African earth/dust pigment...

Last two sticks and I finally remember to take some WIP pics:

(https://i.ibb.co/pwCfFCC/RAR-PIP-6-LR.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/tQRZ7wf/RAR-PIP-7-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Westy38 on October 18, 2014, 01:07:26 AM
These are fantastic Ash. May I be cheeky & put some of then on the Gallery page of the Under Fire website ?

www.underfireminiatures.com
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Ash on October 18, 2014, 06:29:31 PM
Hi Bill,

Of course you can, I can email you some higher res files if you need.

Ash
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Earther on October 18, 2014, 06:31:10 PM
Even as WIP these look stonking!
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Ash on October 22, 2014, 12:37:02 AM
Done:

(https://image.ibb.co/kw4OA5/20mm-RAR-stick-A-Front-LR.jpg)
(https://image.ibb.co/cjnMxk/20mm-RAR-stick-A-Rear-LR.jpg)

(https://image.ibb.co/jjT5OQ/20mm-RAR-stick-D-Front-LR.jpg)
(https://image.ibb.co/eHUZHk/20mm-RAR-stick-D-Rear-LR.jpg)


Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: von Lucky on October 22, 2014, 11:26:57 AM
Nice work.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Earther on October 22, 2014, 11:56:17 AM
You must have quite the force now Ash! :)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Ash on October 22, 2014, 12:57:49 PM
Thanks.

So far I have about the equivalent of a full platoon of RAR plus six sticks of RLI.
A unit of 5 PATU, a four man tracker team & 9 others that look the part for RhSAS.
4 Allouette III, 1 Bell 205, 1 Lynx, 1 Hunter, 1 Crocodile MPV.Waiting are a Dakota and a Canberra.
Currently working on a commission build and paint of some more Alouettes.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Ash on March 19, 2015, 09:52:42 PM
Picked up some new bits from S&S to start a little Selous Scout column, a couple of Unimogs and a jeep:

(https://i.ibb.co/YQDHCYB/WIP-Unimogs-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: juergen c. olk on March 20, 2015, 01:44:31 AM
Look out Mozambique here we come!!!! Awesome stuff.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Ash on March 20, 2015, 02:08:08 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/44nWN43/WIP-Scout-jeep-front-LR.jpg)

This is the only picture I could find of the actual jeep:
(https://i.ibb.co/M134wMN/Selous-Scout-jeep-LR.jpg)
(Picture lifted from Pamwe Chete by LtCol R Reid-Daly)

The Unimogs, still adding bits, but here's where I'm at so far:

(https://i.ibb.co/bQzghFN/WIP-Mog-50s-front-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/Q9wmmYx/WIP-Mog-Sneb-front-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/hB8xcyh/WIP-Mog-Sneb-rear-LR.jpg)

Thing on the back was a 'home made' 37mm SNEB rocket launcher. Just noticed that the original has six barrels.
(https://i.ibb.co/4fSDMR8/Unimog-with-SNEB-launcher-LR.jpg)
(Picture lifted from Pamwe Chete by LtCol R Reid-Daly)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Earther on March 20, 2015, 02:15:37 PM
Nice! And what's a couple of barrels between friends? lol
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: von Lucky on March 20, 2015, 09:24:07 PM
Still churning out nice pieces. I was in the local hobby store looking at 1/72 kits (I only own 3 Cold War Soviet supply trucks in my whole collection for this scale).

You and SundayHero are luring me with this scale/period.

Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Army
Post by: Ash on March 28, 2015, 07:43:42 PM
@ Earther: Exactly, there's no way I'm chopping it down again, already shortened the barrels.
@ Von Lucky: Listen to the voices, buy some tanks to go with the trucks...

Update on the little Selous Scout's column, I've picked up some seated figures; IDF from Elhiem, sanded the helmets down a bit to look more like the WW2 Brit para helmets. There's one who comes with a rather nice MAG. Also got a couple of sticks worth of IDF grunts to convert into SADF Parabats at some time. Rest of the crew are Elheim pilots, a Green Beret (comes with beard) & an RLI bloke from Under Fire

(https://i.ibb.co/jDTKWnh/WIP-Mog-Sneb-L-side-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/TKqgRDx/WIP-Mog-Sneb-R-side-LR.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/LNV6Zj2/WIP-Scout-jeep-grill-LR.jpg)

Swapped the twin .50cals for twin MAG

(https://i.ibb.co/vHMDqSK/WIP-mog-twin-MAG-LR.jpg)

Found these pics of a Selous Scout version of the Rhodesian army MAP transport

(https://i.ibb.co/DMphjbm/Untitled-2.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/vv5v84s/Untitled-4.jpg)

So picked up another Crocodile MPV from Shaun at S&S, attacked it with contents of toolbox, ended up with this:

(https://i.ibb.co/LZDQyr8/WIP-Scout-MAP-front-L-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/7Y76rZx/WIP-Scout-MAP-front-R-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/rtxVH0B/WIP-Scout-MAP-side-LR.jpg)

Not quite the same, I couldn't face trying to shorten the front.

All together:
(https://i.ibb.co/3SpSC5V/Wip-Scouts-column-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Arlequín on March 28, 2015, 08:43:52 PM
If it's any help, there were French M1951 and US M1 helmets in use too. The French one is being modelled by the guy in the top b&w photo.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Ash on March 28, 2015, 09:04:28 PM
Cheers Arlequin, plenty of the old SADF M63 in the mix as well. I can't think of any minis with those French helmets. There must be some Foreign Legion figures wearing them?
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Arlequín on March 29, 2015, 09:15:13 AM
They were more iconic of the Algerian War than Indochina. However essentially it is the same dimensions as the M1, but with a somewhat shorter 'brim' at the front. A man of your capabilities should have no trouble filing back an M1 a little. The South African M63 was based on the French helmet and I think you'd have to be a real helmet geek to be able to tell them apart.

I've seen a photo of the RLI on 'conventional war training' in the early '70s with M1s... but only M1951s (or M63s?) on the RAR.

Motorcycle helmets are another option, but I've only seen those on photos of paratroops... and of course captured Soviet M-40 helmets for the Selous Scouts on 'externals' although figures depicted wearing them might be as rare as those in the French one.

The only ones I'm aware of that weren't used were the WWII 'Battle Bowler' and 'Turtle', which I'm led to believe were in stocks for BSAP riot control. Having said that I'm sure I've seen a photo from the early-'60s with RLI in 'Turtles'.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: juergen c. olk on March 30, 2015, 12:05:37 AM
Wow!!!!great conversions. Spot on!!
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Gunner Dunbar on March 30, 2015, 12:08:40 AM
Awesome thread, love it.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Dougie on March 30, 2015, 08:56:19 AM
Just found this thread, don't know how I've missed it ! You have very similar interests to me, you need a converted bus for your Scout column, ready for Op. Virile  ;) Dougie
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Ash on April 11, 2015, 05:50:57 PM
@ Arlequin: I picked up some Under Fire modern Russians, for conversion bits, one of them has a great helmet that looks just the job for a moterbike crash helmet. Be nice to try and make a model of a bloke 'just landed', still in harness blatting away with his 9mm...

@ Jurgen, Gunner: Cheers chaps, I'm still after some more bodies to add to this lot.

I made this bloke out of left over bits (Head from S&S/ torso from UnderFire/ belt down from TQD). I was going to stick him in one of the trucks, but liked him enough to get his own base.

(https://image.ibb.co/msuOA5/Scout-Big-ears-LR.jpg)

@ Dougie: A bus would be a great addition, I've seen pictures of the one you have in mind. Will have to keep an eye out for something suitable.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: juergen c. olk on April 11, 2015, 09:25:28 PM
When you game with these beauties of yours ,what rules do you use?
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Ash on May 25, 2015, 11:22:04 PM
@ Jurgen:  I've got the Force on Force books, but not got to roll dice yet....

Been slowly putting together a Selous Scout column, all the trucks etc are from S&S and will get added to as the new releases  come out:

(https://image.ibb.co/h165MU/Crocodile-MPV-RR-LR.jpg)

(https://image.ibb.co/jRctVF/Unimog-2-A-LR.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/p0XPY7C/Mog-Twin-B-LR.jpg)

(https://image.ibb.co/hOjedU/Selous-Scout-MAP-MPV.jpg)

(https://image.ibb.co/hwStVF/Jeep-A-LR.jpg)

(https://image.ibb.co/nEMyxv/Jeep-B-LR.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/yd9WDfH/Mog-50-A-LR.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/nzGyFkv/Mog-50-B-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: juergen c. olk on May 26, 2015, 10:28:42 PM
Great stuff Ash ,I especially love the selous scout vehicles.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Andym on May 27, 2015, 07:26:01 AM
Wow! ! They came out great! Superb weathering!! :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Ash on May 31, 2015, 12:42:48 AM
Thanks, glad you like them. Got new stuff through this morning; a third Unimog, a SAS Pig, 2 Scouts Pigs & three Buffels  :D
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Ash on June 04, 2015, 07:53:36 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/sVDrDhj/WIP-scouts-column-2-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/Yy6tDy5/WIP-Scouts-Pig-1-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/XX0wM5G/WIP-Scouts-Pig-2-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/nztRzVt/WIP-Unimog-3-left-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/MCphYHg/WIP-Unimog-3-right-LR.jpg)

Some converted Under Fire blokes to add to my little RhSAS team. Ideally I'd like to drill out the rifle butts to make them look like folding stocks, but maybe not at this scale...
(https://i.ibb.co/3kng7ty/WIP-SAS-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/L8WCL8n/WIP-SAS-B-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: juergen c. olk on June 04, 2015, 10:25:52 PM
Great looking group,I have a pkg., on the way as well,little longer here to the states....can't wait ,from looking at yours.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Ash on June 04, 2015, 10:43:19 PM
Nice one. Which variant did you go for, the SAS or the Scouts?
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: juergen c. olk on June 05, 2015, 01:47:23 AM
Both,plus  buffels and Breliot Tramangals,I will add them to my ,one day pile,i believe in buying minis when they are available,because I have been gaming since the seventies and have seen many companys discontinue minis or just go out of business,with me going I should have bought those,  so not anymore.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Ash on June 05, 2015, 06:25:52 AM
I also bought three Buffels. My stash is mainly aircraft kits; hunter, canberra, dakota, alouette, then T-55, PT-76 etc
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: juergen c. olk on June 06, 2015, 01:09:47 AM
My stash is about 200 20mm figures plus 28mm,Canberra,Lynx,3x Alleouttes,crocodiles,...numerous vehicles. When I was at Historicon in 2008 I bought all of Syr Hobbs hobby, Liberation  Minis African figures as he was no longer going to carry them,I am going to run a Imagination .plus historical,but I need easy,peasy rules for my group,they are not a very rule reading group. So I might Jurgenize Force on Force .put in quik refence sheets and try that.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Ash on June 13, 2015, 11:05:46 PM
Another...

(https://i.ibb.co/dWrVJ9c/WIP-SAS-Pig-front-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/pWMsmqs/WIP-SAS-Pig-rear-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: juergen c. olk on June 14, 2015, 03:03:18 AM
looks great,especially like the whip antenna!
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Ash on June 14, 2015, 09:11:43 AM
Cheers Juergen, I've only seen two pictures of these vehicles, one grainy B&W from the front right and a pretty good colour shot from the back. Both looked like they had a whip antenna on the side.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ash on June 20, 2015, 09:13:42 PM
Another Unimog.

(https://image.ibb.co/f4RL7k/S-amp-S-Unimog-3-LR.jpg)

A RhSAS 'PIG' MPV. 20mm model from S&S

(https://image.ibb.co/huZFk9/S-amp-S-SAS-PIG-front-LR.jpg)

(https://image.ibb.co/fAdxyU/S-amp-S-SAS-PIG-rear-LR.jpg)

Selous Scout 'PIG'  (S&S)

(https://image.ibb.co/mksk7k/PIG-127-front-LR.jpg)

(https://image.ibb.co/cXoQ7k/PIG-127-rear-LR.jpg)

(https://image.ibb.co/mwjXnk/PIG-twin-30cal-front-LR.jpg)

(https://image.ibb.co/nyifJU/PIG-twin-30cal-rear-LR.jpg)



Crew to follow.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: juergen c. olk on June 20, 2015, 09:18:59 PM
They don't mess around w/ the firepower on those vehicles,great job!
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: AKULA on June 20, 2015, 09:37:37 PM
Lovely paint jobs.

 :)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: philp on June 21, 2015, 06:19:22 AM
Nice stuff.

I want to get a 72nd Unimog with a zpu-4 for a PLO truck I have wanted to do for a long time.

I don't game, just build the models, so would like one with a full cab and interior but they seem hard to find in this scale or in 35th.

Plus the only zpu-4s in this scale that I can find are a highly detailed resin and metal kit by OKB GRIGOROV and a low detailed metal kit by RH Liberation.

Any other ideas or anything I have missed?
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Ash on June 21, 2015, 09:08:59 AM
Those are the only two I've seen as well. I'd go for the OKB version, although 53 resin & 74 metal parts in a model that size sounds like a recipe for glued & bleeding fingers covered in frustration source!
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: philp on June 21, 2015, 06:00:38 PM
My fear exactly.  Me and CA don't get along in the best of times.

Though, if I mount it on a truck, the chassis is unnecessary so that should eliminate at least 5 of those resin bits ;)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Ash on June 22, 2015, 11:12:05 AM
My fear exactly.  Me and CA don't get along in the best of times.

Though, if I mount it on a truck, the chassis is unnecessary so that should eliminate at least 5 of those resin bits ;)

Sounds like a good start!  Only other option would be a ZPU-2, less bits, but still look good...
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesian Fireforce (Under Fire miniatures)
Post by: Ste long 1971 on June 22, 2015, 01:27:57 PM
Gran models from Russia do a 1/72 (20mm) plastic ZPU 23mm in plastic. I picked two up from Ian Allan publishing for £8 each
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ash on July 06, 2015, 12:06:27 AM
Thanks Ste long 1971 I'll check it out.

I got some of the new packs from Under Fire. These were from the PATU set, I bought two sets, so had a go at some Brit Infantry in Borneo with the spares.

(https://image.ibb.co/fjUfhJ/PATU-new-front-levels-LR.jpg)
(https://image.ibb.co/gf20hJ/PATU-new-rear-levels-LR.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/wcJW8cM/Borneo-front-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/zhx7MgM/Borneo-rear-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: juergen c. olk on July 06, 2015, 04:15:39 AM
Nice job,borneo would be a son of gun to game.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ash on July 11, 2015, 03:06:02 PM
@ juergen: also a lot easier to paint!

Turned some spares into more RhSAS. RLI MAG with added pack, couple of RAR with head swaps for filed down Elhiem Israeli helmets, PATU bloke with extra chest rig, arm/weapon swap so now sporting an AK

(https://image.ibb.co/mW6EHk/Rh-SAS-1-A-LR.jpg)

(https://image.ibb.co/nASMxk/Rh-SAS-1-B-LR.jpg)

(https://image.ibb.co/frUOA5/Rh-SAS-1-C-LR.jpg)

Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Earther on July 11, 2015, 04:03:18 PM
Very nice, as usual! :o
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: juergen c. olk on July 11, 2015, 08:29:21 PM
great conversions,but the " PATU',guy is perfect,a little beer gut  SGT. figure,would be nice also.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ash on August 30, 2015, 06:49:15 PM
New toys have arrived...

Vehicle are all from S&S.

Rhodesian army 'Puma', based on (I believe) a Bedford RL

(https://i.ibb.co/Jk3HQZV/WIP-PUMA-LR.jpg)

Rhodesian army 'Scorpion' mortar carrier, another great use for a Unimog.
Troops are from the RAR range from Under Fire.

(https://i.ibb.co/72kRQ2J/WIP-Scorpion-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/Sr0FbkY/WIP-Scorpion-B-LR.jpg)

Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: juergen c. olk on August 31, 2015, 06:17:11 AM
Perfect!
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Westy38 on September 01, 2015, 09:47:22 AM
Well done for getting the bases off those figures.

Bill Weston.
www.underfireminiatures.com
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ash on September 01, 2015, 11:07:00 AM
Razor saw & a steady hand. Only drew blood once - result!
They really look the part, great models.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ash on September 10, 2015, 02:08:34 PM
Little bitz box mash up of parts.

Selous Scout with Silenced Uzi:
(https://i.ibb.co/R6T7Hf6/WIP-Selous-Scout-Uzi-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/br8CchK/WIP-Selous-Scout-Uzi-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/MGfLddX/WIP-Selous-Scout-Uzi-C-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: juergen c. olk on September 10, 2015, 10:15:14 PM
I love seeing your latest conversions.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: sandsmodels on September 27, 2015, 10:55:21 AM
great work ash
the puma was based on a merc or Nissan commercial truck chassis and has only 2 wheel drive.
there are bedford rl conversions and john has asked us to do some sometime
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ash on September 27, 2015, 01:26:31 PM
Cheers Shaun.

Little update:

(https://i.ibb.co/DwyMsDN/PIP-Scorpions-B-LR.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/7vZzLX0/WIP-mortar-crew-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Andym on September 27, 2015, 06:17:50 PM
Nice additions! :-*
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: juergen c. olk on September 27, 2015, 08:13:53 PM
You never disappoint,great stuff.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ash on September 28, 2015, 12:47:19 PM
Thanks for the feedback. Here's a PUMA, just the crews to finish off now.

(https://i.ibb.co/JrgmVdN/Puma-A-LR.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/CMtCmBH/Puma-B-LR.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/0hYBVjK/Puma-C-LR.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/ws6vVyj/Puma-D-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: juergen c. olk on September 28, 2015, 03:41:53 PM
Ash what color do you for that yellow greenish?
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ash on September 28, 2015, 07:46:18 PM
juergen: I used Humbrol 30 matt dark green, which isn't really dark at all, for a base; then for the yellowish blotches, Vallejo Japan Uniform, which is pretty much the same colour as English mustard.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: juergen c. olk on September 29, 2015, 04:17:43 AM
Thankyou.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ash on September 30, 2015, 05:34:29 PM
Here's the Puma with an MAG gunner:

(https://image.ibb.co/k8uQMU/Puma-B-gunner-LR.jpg)

(https://image.ibb.co/f8WTap/Puma_D_gunner_LR.jpg)

Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ash on September 30, 2015, 10:39:45 PM
Scorpions

(https://image.ibb.co/nEJHXp/Scorpion-1-A-LR.jpg)

(https://image.ibb.co/dqGhyU/Scorpion-1-B-LR.jpg)

(https://image.ibb.co/fKBt59/Scorpion-1-C-LR.jpg)

(https://image.ibb.co/n5qmQ9/Scorpion-1-D-LR.jpg)

(https://image.ibb.co/nAfWsp/Scorpion-1-crew-LR.jpg)



(https://image.ibb.co/d9mnqF/Scorpion-2-A-LR.jpg)

(https://image.ibb.co/b1kDVF/Scorpion-2-B-LR.jpg)

(https://image.ibb.co/hhZU4a/Scorpion-2-C-LR.jpg)

(https://image.ibb.co/hsvfAF/Scorpion-2-D-LR.jpg)

(https://image.ibb.co/nfUU4a/Scorpion-2-crew-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: juergen c. olk on October 01, 2015, 12:09:55 AM
those Underfire minis are a perfect match!
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ste long 1971 on October 01, 2015, 12:22:36 PM
Ash inspiring work as always. Is the mag from  underfire minatures? 
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ash on October 01, 2015, 02:08:22 PM
@ Juergen: They go well with the mortar. I think they are from both the RAR mortar pack and the RCL pack.
@Ste long: The MAG came from WeeFriends (http://eshop.friendshipmodels.org.uk/epages/BT3667.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/BT3667/Products/WBM76078) they are 1/76 scale, but look great especially on vehicles. Very nice, accurate casts.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: juergen c. olk on October 01, 2015, 10:12:57 PM
thanx for the link.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ste long 1971 on October 02, 2015, 01:35:33 PM
Thanks for link Ash, very useful. whomakes the mag gunner figure on the puma
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ash on October 02, 2015, 02:02:30 PM
The bloke with the MAG is from Under Fire (http://www.underfireminiatures.com/page11.htm) Rhodesian African Rifles 7: RCL crew & RPG-7 Gnr. I just chopped off his left hand then turned it palm up and pinned it back on.

Just noticed I forgot to do the cap badges.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Too Bo Coo on October 02, 2015, 02:36:59 PM
Your stuff is really inspired Ash!
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ste long 1971 on October 03, 2015, 10:22:44 AM
Thanks Ash, it's beautifully executed conversion
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ash on October 10, 2015, 09:21:05 PM
Thanks for the feedback.

More troops:

(https://i.ibb.co/c8LRvKr/Scouts-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/tZbXS5W/Scouts-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/vZZsW84/Scouts-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/dm5RpVK/Scouts-D-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: 6milPhil on October 11, 2015, 12:15:30 AM
These are very nice, I've had a gander at their site before but seeing them painted is gives a much better idea of what's possible with them than the bare metal shots on the site.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: juergen c. olk on October 11, 2015, 02:37:08 PM
always love your conversions ,wonderful figures.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ash on October 22, 2015, 11:59:22 PM
Thanks juergen.

Been wanting to make more huts and have a go at casting something, so ended up casting a hut. Still working on the roof section:

(https://image.ibb.co/cW5oUk/Resin-hut-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: juergen c. olk on October 23, 2015, 02:28:35 AM
Looks good so far,shame the troops will have to burn them down later.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ash on October 23, 2015, 11:46:52 AM
Looks good so far,shame the troops will have to burn them down later.

They do burn remarkably well. Next time I will try to paint one looking charred and not actually set fire to it!
(https://image.ibb.co/n6PnN5/WIP_burnt_hut_LR.jpg)

(https://image.ibb.co/jfg1h5/WIP_Hut_2_LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ash on November 04, 2015, 09:06:27 PM
Next Scout roughly based on this picture:

(https://image.ibb.co/e5dmFQ/Selous_Scout_PKM.jpg)

(https://image.ibb.co/n6CoC5/WIP_PKM_A_LR.jpg)
(https://image.ibb.co/mniH5Q/WIP_PKM_B_LR.jpg)
(https://image.ibb.co/dHsYek/WIP_PKM_C_LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: juergen c. olk on November 04, 2015, 09:36:18 PM
Spot on,the grubby the better.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: CarlLeyland on November 14, 2015, 11:15:27 PM
Just excellent work! Can I ask what the base colour was on the uniforms of the Rhodesian Chaps on this page and the colour for the webbing? It works amazingly well. Is the base colour Vallejo beige or khaki?

Thanks, these are excellent.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ash on November 15, 2015, 08:56:34 PM
@ CarlLeyland: The base colour for the camo was Vallejo 'Dark Sand' & for the webbing 'Russian Uniform'.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: CarlLeyland on November 15, 2015, 09:55:39 PM
Brilliant, thanks for that! Amazing work ....
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ash on November 18, 2015, 02:28:55 PM
Think I'm done with this:

(https://image.ibb.co/dX6yck/Selous_Scout_PKM_A_LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Earther on November 18, 2015, 02:43:54 PM
Great scout!  :D
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: juergen c. olk on November 19, 2015, 12:12:09 AM
perfect Selous Scout.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ash on December 11, 2015, 12:25:40 AM
Thanks for the comments/feedback. Please point out anything that looks wrong/crap etc

Got some more little blokes to add to my to do list

Selous Scouts

(https://i.ibb.co/sQDcvf1/WIP-SAS-Scouts-3-LR.jpg)

A Scout & a couple more SAS
(https://i.ibb.co/GM55mJg/WIP-SAS-Scouts-1-LR.jpg)

Not sure what the one on the left will be (suggestions?), middle will add to Borneo British, then a Soviet advisor
(https://i.ibb.co/swXz8w1/WIP-SAS-Scouts-2-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: CarlLeyland on December 11, 2015, 08:56:38 AM
This is fascinating stuff, I am especially enjoying seeing the FNs. I have never seen the FN MG on a miniature-as far as I know as I have never seen a real one!
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: juergen c. olk on December 12, 2015, 01:01:52 AM
Great stuff Ash,here is a picture of a Soviet advisor ,who sent this picture of himself to the Modern
africanBushwars Facebook page. He served in Angola. And a picture of Carlotta a commander in the FAPLA army.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ash on December 24, 2015, 12:58:08 AM
@ Juergen: Thanks for posting the pics.

Micro update

(https://i.ibb.co/5FL7n4C/WIP-grunts-1-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/m8CVtmy/WIP-grunts-2-LR.jpg)

25pdr from Empress
(https://i.ibb.co/FY81HKt/WIP-25pdr-LR.jpg)

Mk2 version of a thatched roof, should hopefully be able to cast this one...
(https://image.ibb.co/i7RqaQ/WIP-hut-fur-thatch-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: CarlLeyland on December 24, 2015, 04:06:27 PM
The Empress 25Pdr looks very cool indeed and the work on your hut is inspired....really useful for many war games! I am looking forward to seeing them all painted.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ash on January 09, 2016, 09:55:32 PM
Think I'm done with the last load.

Tried adding an FN to the bloke 2nd from left, but couldn't get it to stick. Too much glue chucked at it, hense the funny looking hand...
RAR, PATU then 2 more SAS
(https://i.ibb.co/f9CY1PP/Rh-SAS-extras-front-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/kSg2ZD9/Rh-SAS-extras-rear-LR.jpg)

Selous Scouts
(https://i.ibb.co/GJNz72S/Selous-Scout-extras-front-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/4Ny7Xsy/Selous-Scout-extras-rear-LR.jpg)

On the huts, made a few casts, not got around to chucking paint at them yet:

(https://image.ibb.co/gMdQ9k/PIP-huts-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ash on January 21, 2016, 04:12:43 PM
For no particular reason I had a look in my stash of un-built kits; ended up with this:

(https://i.ibb.co/zV08WdZ/WIP-Air-support-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: von Lucky on January 21, 2016, 08:07:41 PM
As someone who's just discovered their hobby kit past, I thoroughly recommend getting those birds painted.

Buccaneer, Canberra, Vampire and a what's the last one?
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ash on January 21, 2016, 10:17:21 PM
Got a Hunter FGA9, Canberra B2, Vampire FB9 & a militarized Cessna 337 'Lynx' with twin .30cal & Sneb rockets

Got them primed, a coat of green .... and that 's it so far
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: von Lucky on January 22, 2016, 09:51:10 PM
Makes more sense to be a Hunter. Love the Lynx conversion.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ash on March 14, 2016, 06:44:02 PM
Had a clear out of some spares and did these:
This lot to add to my little Selous Scout column.
(https://image.ibb.co/mVtdck/Selous-Scouts-Poster-boy-A-LR.jpg)
(https://image.ibb.co/bHJ0q5/Selous-Scouts-Poster-boy-B-LR.jpg)

Another RLI stick.
(https://image.ibb.co/nCUTSk/RLI-stick-G-LR.jpg)
(https://image.ibb.co/i1xttQ/RLI-stick-G-rear-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: von Lucky on March 14, 2016, 08:38:09 PM
Very nice.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: sundayhero on March 14, 2016, 09:52:48 PM
Cool as always !
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ash on March 15, 2016, 04:27:04 PM
Cheers chaps, I've made a start on the 'farmer family' as well:

(https://image.ibb.co/j7e9YQ/Farmers-A-LR.jpg)
(https://image.ibb.co/k0ubDQ/Farmers-B-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: sundayhero on March 15, 2016, 09:06:44 PM
Nice ! I also plan to make armed civilians to play the portuguese scenario from FOF bush wars supplement. I'm not sure which figures I'll choose for this !
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: juergen c. olk on March 15, 2016, 10:39:21 PM
Underfire Miniatures makes Rhodesian (Patu) they are a little bigger than Liberatsion,but great figures.Also they make armed farmers.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ash on November 03, 2016, 05:00:29 PM
Finally got these out of my to do pile.

(https://image.ibb.co/gAxJSk/IntAf-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: grant on November 03, 2016, 07:01:58 PM
Lovely work, superb.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: juergen c. olk on November 03, 2016, 08:21:52 PM
Rhodesian Intaf? Great work ..I think mine are Liberation Minis..bought out a stores stock in 2005 ..I like the Underfire Minis also ..have those also...lots to paint.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: mikedemana on November 14, 2016, 04:19:44 AM
Nice job, as usual, Ash! Love your work...!

Mike Demana
www.firstcommandwargames.com
http://leadlegionaries.blogspot.com/

(http://i721.photobucket.com/albums/ww213/mikedemana/Miscellaneous/LPL_bades_zpsl7op2jaz.jpg)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ash on June 30, 2017, 07:50:48 AM
Now that photobucket has effectively disappeared up it's own arse; I'm trying out imgur.com
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Hupp n at em on June 30, 2017, 06:22:21 PM
Imgur is great, it's what I use and I've had no problems with it.  Great painting!
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Nachtbringer240 on July 12, 2017, 11:05:40 PM
I am afraid that I cannot see any photos on this thread, from imgur or photobucket.
And that is a real pain since I really want to see some well painted Rhodies.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ultravanillasmurf on July 13, 2017, 08:38:36 AM
No images here either.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ash on July 18, 2017, 10:43:06 PM
Sorry chaps; I'm on yet another hosting site. Have started replacing all the old dead PhotoBastard links from the start.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: moonshado on July 19, 2017, 05:44:01 AM
Glad you're replacing the old PB photographs, it would have been a shame to have lost all of those. Hope it doesn't take you too much time.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: von Lucky on July 19, 2017, 05:49:18 AM
Ash - your effort is appreciated. I love this thread.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ash on July 19, 2017, 10:07:43 AM
Not quite finished, but I came across a bit of online info that is speeding things up. If you add a bit of code to the Photobastard links then you might get your pictures to show again.

If you go into modify/edit post and insert  ~original  between .jpg and [/img]  as in .jpg~original[/img] then the original picture will show again.
A lot easier to keep pasting that than to re-post from another site. Effectively PB are still 3rd party hosting all the pictures, they have just pointed all the links to that holding picture, this seems to point it back to the original. If nothing else it makes ID'ing your pictures easier when dropping in fresh links...

I wish I'd found this sooner, as I had two Photo buckets and 'rage quit' on one and effectively binned a decades worth of 40K pictures...
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: mikedemana on July 19, 2017, 11:28:05 PM
Ash, what's going on with Photobucket? I host my photos on there, too. Is it they're getting rid of the free accounts and making you pay for them? Or are their pay accounts going wonky, too?

Mike Demana
www.firstcommandwargames.com
http://leadlegionaries.blogspot.com/

(http://i721.photobucket.com/albums/ww213/mikedemana/Miscellaneous/LPL_bades_zpsl7op2jaz.jpg)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ash on July 20, 2017, 12:25:08 AM
Someone at PhotoBucket came up with the grand idea to pretend that they were never a hosting site for 3rd party sharing and without any notice blocked all the links, to everywhere. Must have trashed just about every forum (in every subject) online. Read the feedback they are getting on their Facebook page, a lot of not very impressed people.
You used to be able to store a certain amount of data for free, in addition you could embed links on forum postings (etc) that would either target back to your Photobucket or show up in the forum thread. These links create an amount of data traffic so each account had a bandwidth limit, which you could upgrade for a smallish fee (I think they called it a Pro account).
Then three weeks ago they killed all the links and sent out emails saying "WE NOTICED THAT YOU HAVE BEEN USING PHOTOBUCKET FOR 3RD PARTY HOSTING" sort of implying that users had been doing something wrong, however if you choose to pay them a fee of $400 per year, they will turn all your links back on. Hense the search for new homes to share pictures from. At least that's my take on it, oh and the piece of code mentioned in my last post seems to be working...
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: mikedemana on July 20, 2017, 07:14:57 AM
That's awful! I pay them about $29 a year because I had so much stored on there. As far as I can tell, all my links here and my Travelerspoint blog are still working. Plus, I never received the email you're talking about. Weird. I'll go check out their FB page and see if I can figure it out...

Thanks for the heads up!

Mike Demana
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: mikedemana on July 20, 2017, 07:23:57 AM
Checked...here's why my links are still working:

If you were a Plus Account subscriber in good standing as of June 1, 2017,
you will continue to have all the privileges you have enjoyed including 3rd
Party Hosting until December 31, 2018 as long as you maintain your
subscription.


So I have a year and a half to figure it out.... :?

Mike Demana
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ash on July 20, 2017, 11:07:52 AM
I 'like' how they refer to the service you are paying for as a privilege, as though you should be bending over to thank them for taking your payments...
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ash on October 10, 2017, 09:35:18 PM
Not done anything for a while, so decided to raid the kit stash and dug out a 1/72 C-47 Skytrain, to convert to a Paradak and another Cessna 337 to convert into a Lynx. Also whilst rummaging for pictures I found this shot of a FAF Fireforce base, thought it might make an interesting display base.

(https://image.ibb.co/jOHjBG/12144756_10206733261004197_2730291490947954905_n.jpg)


Put most of the ParaDak together, basic paint job inside, inc pilots. Lost all the clear bits so making do with clear styrene.

(https://image.ibb.co/gh7Btw/WIP_Para_Dak_1_LR.jpg)

(https://image.ibb.co/dbAmRG/WIP_Para_Dak_2_LR.jpg)

(https://image.ibb.co/k0vmRG/WIP_Para_Dak_3_LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: mikedemana on October 11, 2017, 12:27:14 AM
Looks awesome!

Mike Demana
www.firstcommandwargames.com
http://leadlegionaries.blogspot.com/

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Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: juergen c. olk on October 11, 2017, 02:18:13 AM
can't wait for finished product.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Andym on October 11, 2017, 04:10:20 AM
can't wait for finished product.

Seconded! 8)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ash on October 17, 2017, 04:16:23 PM
Some fairly rough pics of a fairly rough base coat...

(https://image.ibb.co/fKxELm/DSCF1720_LR.jpg)

(https://image.ibb.co/kztX6R/DSCF1718_LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: juergen c. olk on October 18, 2017, 04:52:29 AM
..looking good.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ash on October 22, 2017, 09:59:48 PM
cheers Juergen.

Bit of an update...

(https://image.ibb.co/jd9EQm/WIP_FAF_A_LR.jpg)

(https://image.ibb.co/b4b5WR/Lynx_2_LR.jpg)

(https://image.ibb.co/npjQWR/WIP_FAF_LR.jpg)

(https://image.ibb.co/ddjEQm/Paradak_troops_B_LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: juergen c. olk on October 23, 2017, 06:22:34 AM
Wow that is great stuff..the men in the Jump suits are awesome.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: von Lucky on October 23, 2017, 10:49:32 AM
I'm liking the latest update - I'm feeling dusty just looking at the planes!
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ash on October 23, 2017, 10:07:16 PM
These guys I did a while ago, converted from TQD US WW2 Paras.
Chopped off the weapons and filed down the helmets, added some tad too big FNs. Could do with another eleven, four with MAGs, on the hunt for other figures with chutes...

(https://image.ibb.co/iLCySk/PARA_stick_front_LR.jpg)

(https://image.ibb.co/hMsnL5/PARA_stick_rear_LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: gamer Mac on October 25, 2017, 12:17:15 PM
Very interesting project
Nice display Base idea though I don't envy you painting all those drums
Can I ask what are the extra tubes under the wings of the paradak?
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ash on October 25, 2017, 11:23:10 PM
I maybe punching above my weight with this one, I think to do it properly it'll end up at least 3ft x 3ft, so lots more barrels to cast.

The tubes are to look like heat dispersal pipes for the exhaust.

(https://image.ibb.co/iYdMy6/images.jpg)

Mid to late 1970 was when the then Soviet Union was equipping various insurgency groups with Strela-2 MANPADS. First generation of serious heat seekers, that generally locked in on the exhaust/tail pipe. The Rhodesian Air-force, with it's limited access to international markets, due to the UK gov getting the UN to imposes sanctions, produced 'in-house' solutions. It's effectively a long extension pipe attached to the exhaust (which normally puffs out just to the side of the engine), that sits inside another wider pipe. Airflow cools the gases and the extra length also has the benefit of shifting the heat spot away from the engines.
They also fitted similar shielding to their Alouette III helicopters. My understanding is that no aircraft fitted with this system was ever hit by a SAM (flying at 500ft probably helped avoid lock on as well).
Not so lucky their civilian airliners, two of which were shot down.

(https://image.ibb.co/c5Dzkm/1977464_450435281768796_4225456694591748080_n1.jpg)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: juergen c. olk on October 26, 2017, 10:59:47 PM
nice find,,,
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ash on November 17, 2017, 07:24:27 PM
I'm adding to the kitted up paras with three more blokes to make up two sticks (have to imagine the other eight are already on the plane..). A couple with MAGs and a correctly sized FN.

(https://image.ibb.co/h8bFCm/WIP_para_stick_LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: juergen c. olk on November 17, 2017, 10:30:03 PM
Look perfect.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: sundayhero on November 18, 2017, 02:25:37 PM
Great !

If you want to save greenstuff for your bases, use some modelling paste (arts supply) or 3D paint (from liquitex): same result, but easier to use and cheaper ;)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ash on November 18, 2017, 03:20:57 PM
That's not green stuff, I'm too cheap to waste it on bases!
With green stuff, any left over that used to get rolled into little balls and flicked in the general direction of the bin, now gets jammed into a press mold and turned into ammo pouches or water-bottles etc.
This stuff on the bases is Squadron Green Putty.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: sundayhero on November 18, 2017, 04:16:27 PM
That's not green stuff, I'm too cheap to waste it on bases!


 lol

I'm as cheap as you, finally  :D ;)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Westy38 on November 18, 2017, 10:25:49 PM
Hi Ash.

You might want to lock up your wallet as the RhSAS packs just went live !

http://www.underfireminiatures.com/page18.htm

Regards,

Bill Weston.
www.underfireminiatures.com
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ash on November 19, 2017, 08:29:13 AM
I beat you to it, order placed a half hour before your message..!  ;)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ash on November 28, 2017, 09:09:39 AM
Small update:

(https://image.ibb.co/e9Ywxm/WIP_RLI_Paras_LR.jpg)

(https://image.ibb.co/dA3UHm/WIP_Rh_SAS_A_LR.jpg)

(https://image.ibb.co/iu0WV6/WIP_Rh_SAS_B_front_LR.jpg)
(https://image.ibb.co/c4ndA6/WIP_Rh_SAS_B_rear_LR.jpg)

(https://image.ibb.co/eSqyA6/WIP_Cubans_FAPLA_LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: DavyJones on November 28, 2017, 07:59:59 PM
Wow, amazing stuff here.  :o :-*
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: juergen c. olk on November 30, 2017, 01:47:19 AM
Wonderul work.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ash on December 04, 2017, 03:53:10 PM
Cheers chaps

A few more conversions

(https://image.ibb.co/bvY2AG/WIP_Rh_SAS_C_LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: juergen c. olk on December 05, 2017, 08:36:10 PM
Do you game Ashley with your beautiful figures and vehicles?
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: mikedemana on December 06, 2017, 01:44:57 AM
Do you game Ashley with your beautiful figures and vehicles?

Even if he doesn't, he certainly inspires the rest of us to do so...!  lol

Mike Demana
www.firstcommandwargames.com
http://leadlegionaries.blogspot.com/

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Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ash on December 10, 2017, 10:58:55 PM
@ jurgen: Unfortunately not, so far. I don't know anyone local who plays. So I just collect and paint what I'm interested in.

@ Mike: That's very kind of you to say so. I do have the copy of your rules that you sent me, so when I do find an opponent you know which book I'll be using...
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: juergen c. olk on December 12, 2017, 05:58:57 AM
I have a group and also have Mikes /rules..but trying to teach Old..dogs new rules is brutal..
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: mikedemana on December 13, 2017, 02:00:38 AM
Thanks, guys, for your efforts! The usual reaction I get from new players after they play their first game is, "Hey...these would also be great for _________!"  (fill in the blank for whatever somewhat modern period).

I'm in the middle of planning my convention game to take to next year's cons. I'm thinking it will be a clash between South African and UNITA troops against Angolan and Cuban forces during the counter-attack at Cuito Cuanavale.

Mike Demana
www.firstcommandwargames.com
http://leadlegionaries.blogspot.com/

(http://i721.photobucket.com/albums/ww213/mikedemana/Miscellaneous/LPL_bades_zpsl7op2jaz.jpg)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: juergen c. olk on December 13, 2017, 03:53:47 AM
Can't wait to seeyour Battle report Mike.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ash on December 15, 2017, 08:55:37 PM
Thought I was done with these until I looked at the pictures an realised I hadn't finished the faces...

(https://image.ibb.co/nqg8h6/Rh_SAS_RDP_front_LR.jpg)

(https://image.ibb.co/mrj5Um/Rh_SAS_demo_front_LR.jpg)

(https://image.ibb.co/kBiAvR/Para_stick_mag_LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: juergen c. olk on December 16, 2017, 12:34:18 AM
Look gooD to me.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: mikedemana on December 16, 2017, 06:50:31 PM
Those look amazing (as usual!).... :o

Mike Demana
www.firstcommandwargames.com
http://leadlegionaries.blogspot.com/

(http://i721.photobucket.com/albums/ww213/mikedemana/Miscellaneous/LPL_bades_zpsl7op2jaz.jpg)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ash on December 17, 2017, 05:31:02 PM
Finished this time, put a darker wash over the bases, also  slightly better pictures

(https://image.ibb.co/fZr5VR/Rhodesian_Paras_MAG_front_LR.jpg)
(https://image.ibb.co/eZWuPm/Rhodesian_Paras_MAG_rear_LR.jpg)
(https://image.ibb.co/joJkVR/Rhodesian_Paras_LR.jpg)

(https://image.ibb.co/gRhCAR/Rh_SAS_Uric_1_A_LR.jpg)
(https://image.ibb.co/ctLcc6/Rh_SAS_Uric_1_B_LR.jpg)
(https://image.ibb.co/nnm5VR/Rh_SAS_Uric_1_C_LR.jpg)

(https://image.ibb.co/m4QtH6/Rh_SAS_Uric_2_A_LR.jpg)
(https://image.ibb.co/dSwpqR/Rh_SAS_Uric_2_B_LR.jpg)
(https://image.ibb.co/dnoPPm/Rh_SAS_Uric_2_C_LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: juergen c. olk on December 17, 2017, 07:10:14 PM
Really nice poses...these need to see the gaming table..I have same problem ..lots of figures.but my aged group .hates learning new rules...
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: sundayhero on January 29, 2018, 05:20:19 PM
King of Africa wargames modelling !
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ash on May 10, 2018, 10:28:37 PM
Got some of the new Rhodesian MAP 4.5 vehicles from S&S models. Still PIP as waiting for some bits to arrive. Got three so far; one will be a standard army vehicle, one a Selous Scout variant with lots of guns and the other I chopped up to have a go at making a longer wheel based 7.5 version.

(https://image.ibb.co/gybqRJ/SS_MAP_45_PIP_LR.jpg)

(https://image.ibb.co/kTRqRJ/MAPs_PIP_LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ash on May 11, 2018, 10:33:37 AM
Posted in wrong thread. moved to: http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=59008.165
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: ulverston on May 19, 2018, 10:16:42 PM
I have been following this thread with interest since the beginning and I promised myself I would stick to 28mm.... I was lying to myself of course this stuff is too amazing not to have a go at. This is just an amazing project, thank you for sharing.

I would like to know what rules you will use? I have just bought Spectre and have At Close Quarters by Chris Peers, also Black Ops. Force on Force seem to be out of print.

What would you chaps recommend and has anyone done an army list?

Thanks in advance, my army list is in progress and 28mm will be put to one side as I spend this summer amassing old kits and 20mm figures.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: juergen c. olk on May 21, 2018, 06:31:02 PM
..Great job..John Wynne Hopkins will be jealous of the 7.5..came out well.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: mikedemana on May 24, 2018, 05:02:54 AM
I would like to know what rules you will use? I have just bought Spectre and have At Close Quarters by Chris Peers, also Black Ops. Force on Force seem to be out of print.

At the risk of inserting a crass advertisement, Wars of Insurgency provides games in which each player controls 3-5 squads. The squads range from a few figures to a dozen, or a single vehicle to several. Man-to-man scale. The rules are simple and easy to learn, but provide the flavor of a modern infantry firefight. Intended for those small scale actions in the hot spots around the globe from the 1950s to present.

(http://www.firstcommandwargames.com/_Media/insurgencycoverfront_web_99_hr.jpeg)

Here's a link: http://www.firstcommandwargames.com/wars-of-insurgency.html

Feel free to ask questions about the rules if you're interested. By the way, some of Ash's excellently painted miniatures appear in the rules!  :-*

Mike Demana
www.firstcommandwargames.com
http://leadlegionaries.blogspot.com/

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Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ash on May 31, 2018, 07:08:47 PM
Picked this up at Salute. Nice little resin hut/store building:

 (https://image.ibb.co/gGCo5y/Store_front_R_34_LR.jpg)

(https://image.ibb.co/gcm4dJ/Store_front_L_34_LR.jpg)

(https://image.ibb.co/fDrsXd/Store_front_LR.jpg)

(https://image.ibb.co/eUxcyJ/Store_overhead_LR.jpg)

(https://image.ibb.co/diE1Qy/Store_rear_L_34_LR.jpg)

(https://image.ibb.co/mq7zCd/Store_rear_R_34_LR.jpg)

(https://image.ibb.co/b1aEdJ/Fuel_dump_LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: mikedemana on June 01, 2018, 12:47:14 AM
The rusted roof and the posters are an awesome touch! Looks perfect.  :-*

Mike Demana
www.firstcommandwargames.com
http://leadlegionaries.blogspot.com/

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Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Andym on June 01, 2018, 06:42:11 AM
You colouring and the posters really make it! :-*
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: redzed on June 01, 2018, 02:46:39 PM
outstanding painting as usual  8)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: juergen c. olk on June 04, 2018, 08:30:35 PM
nice pickup..look great,
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ash on January 02, 2019, 04:14:01 PM
The Airfix 1/72 Britten-Norman Islander. The RhAF had, I believe, about half a dozen of these in No:3 Squadron
(https://i.ibb.co/jgzrRS6/Mudzi-Rh-AF-Britten-Norman-Islander-Kotwa-airfield-14-8-78.jpg)

A pretty quick build, added a load of antenas, but could not get enough tension in the long bit of wire to pull it totally straight.
(https://i.ibb.co/tZyWgSM/Islander-1-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/FnvXg36/Islander-2-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/Dwj7wfD/Islander-3-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/0Z4MYdf/Islander-4-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/C5bstWm/Islander-5-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: von Lucky on January 02, 2019, 09:26:16 PM
Looking good regardless, and good to see you around again.

I've used the melted/stretched plastic sprue over a candle before, but never such a long piece. Maybe thin guitar or florists wire (uncovered) would work next time?
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ultravanillasmurf on January 03, 2019, 10:06:34 AM
Nice job.

I would suggest brass wire from cockpit to tailfin with a descending wire to the tail.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ash on January 03, 2019, 01:17:13 PM
Thanks for the feedback chaps.
I think the problem with the wire was due to it coming on a spool, just couldn't get the curve out. It's also a tad too thick at 0.5mm, if i can find some 0.3 or 0.2 I'll redo it.

(https://i.ibb.co/4mXCzgj/8211-10151823729661722-1338041963-n1.jpg)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ultravanillasmurf on January 03, 2019, 03:27:00 PM
Ah, yes. I have a stock of 0.4mm (4mm scale handrail) and 0.7mm (7mm scale handrail) rod. Much better than trying to straighten wire from reels.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: juergen c. olk on January 04, 2019, 01:53:18 AM
really nice.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ash on January 16, 2019, 08:21:34 PM
MAP 7.5 now with added base...

(https://i.ibb.co/vjV0Qmb/MAP-75-front-L-34-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/z7zCpqy/MAP-75-front-R-34-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/FKmbyGK/MAP-75-rear-L-34-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/yBjV9hC/MAP-75-rear-R-34-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Andym on January 16, 2019, 08:24:33 PM
Nice ground work! 8)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ash on February 23, 2019, 04:03:57 PM
Had this idea floating around for a while,(to go with the gaming boards that currently exist only in my imagination); a deployment board for holding models not yet in game.

(https://image.ibb.co/jOHjBG/12144756-10206733261004197-2730291490947954905-n.jpg)

It's supposed to look like a section of a FireForce forward air field, such as Grand Reef or Mt Darwin. That was the idea, a lot of barrels later I made a little (2' x 2') board from 12mm MDF with 15mm baton underneath. A rough pencil sketch of where bits will go, some filler, some dodgy looking revetments and a bit of sand... and that's as far as I've got so far

(https://i.ibb.co/GW6DXz0/WIP-FAF-5-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/80hytrM/WIP-FAF-4-LR.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/GVn6cpg/49097771-1628744587271187-1361513261421297664-n-1.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/0y01wqJ/WIP-FAF-3-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/GQBSZJW/WIP-FAF-2-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/5s9XG5v/WIP-FAF-1-LR.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/TkSPPnv/37370038-1988263558150403-3795746733036666880-n.jpg)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Marine0846 on February 23, 2019, 06:43:22 PM
I really like the forward air field.
Great way to show off your models.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: von Lucky on February 23, 2019, 09:20:26 PM
Agree - I see many sessions with brown ink washes in your future lol
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ash on February 23, 2019, 09:27:34 PM
Agree - I see many sessions with brown ink washes in your future lol


Red barrels, green barrels, blue barrels... all of them rusty! What was I thinking...
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: von Lucky on February 23, 2019, 10:15:22 PM
I would paint them all white, paint some as that faded blue and/or red and then go to town with a brown wash. The wash you can do 3-4 times, allowing some barrels only to be done once, twice, three or even four times. This will allow a variation in colour (remembering to let each wash to fully dry).
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ash on February 24, 2019, 11:26:26 AM
This will be the closest thing to a diorama I've done, vehicle bases and the odd building are the largest so far.
Hopefully all part of the learning curve that will one day be a load of 4 x 6' boards...

Got some primer down

(https://i.ibb.co/0rZhFKY/PIP-FAF-1-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/5TMtQZM/PIP-FAF-2-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/GP2yNhc/PIP-FAF-3-LR.jpg)

Should also get around to finishing off the Paradak
(https://i.ibb.co/vzyHYmJ/PIP-Paradak-troops-1-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/0VyJ20N/PIP-Paradak-troops-2-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/7nGwWrm/PIP-Paradak-troops-3-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: von Lucky on February 25, 2019, 10:29:01 AM
Looks promising 👍
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ash on February 26, 2019, 10:00:00 PM
Got a bit more done; made some grass tufts and painted the barrels.

(https://i.ibb.co/fr11dC6/PIP-Cheetah-troops-2-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/BjJynwq/PIP-FAF-7-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/ngMJCtX/PIP-FAF-5-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/1mVy4BH/PIP-FAF-4-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/1r34zbz/PIP-Cheetah-troops-1-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/8dyjRMR/PIP-FAF-6-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/DQFXXzs/PIP-FAF-8-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: von Lucky on February 27, 2019, 09:50:24 AM
Looks good - you want to keep it simple to act as a backdrop for the vehicles/miniatures.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ash on February 27, 2019, 01:55:20 PM
Nearly done with this; chicken wire and tarmac weathering...

(https://i.ibb.co/7KQz0D8/PIP-FAF-9-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/McmtYCn/PIP-FAF-K-car-1-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/85zGR4r/WIP-FAF-Fireforce-7-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: juergen c. olk on February 27, 2019, 09:35:26 PM
AshleY ,you have outdone yourself..A masterpiece !  That;s a lot of barrels to paint.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: von Lucky on February 28, 2019, 12:43:35 PM
The drums in particular look spot on.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: sundayhero on February 28, 2019, 06:10:01 PM
everything looks really good, good job
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ash on March 01, 2019, 02:44:17 PM
I found some thing that may work for the wire mesh, got glue drying will post a pic once it's decided to not fall appart...
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: FreakyFenton on March 02, 2019, 10:08:28 PM
Inspiring stuff! And you make the grass tufts yourself, Ash?  :o Cool!

I really like this thread, informative, good pictures and good advice, as well as inspiration!
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ash on March 03, 2019, 10:12:29 AM
Cheers all for the feedback.

Got the netting up, will need to trim some of it and think about how to weather it a bit...

(https://i.ibb.co/sQ3Znk4/PIP-FAF-11-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/WycyvHF/PIP-FAF-12-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/q0k82cr/PIP-FAF-13-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/6ZbLYZv/PIP-FAF-10-LR.jpg)

@FreakyFenton:  I could never get any great continuity in the tufts I found online, always a different mix of colours; so i bought some 4mm 'dead grass' & 6mm 'straw coloured grass' and had a go at tufts and also putting some down direct on the base. I was surprised at how hefty a shock a battery opperated static applicator could deliver when handelled badly..!
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: FreakyFenton on March 04, 2019, 01:45:55 AM
Hrm, fair enough! Always prioritize work safety though!  ;)

The board looks nice though, who makes the netting?
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: von Lucky on March 05, 2019, 08:11:24 PM
BTW - it is already looking like a nice display piece.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: juergen c. olk on March 07, 2019, 10:29:33 AM
Love all the detail....would be perfect in a Musuem.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ash on March 07, 2019, 06:16:07 PM
I'd have to redo it 2'x4' and get the barrels straight...
Still need to go back and trim some of the netting and put some sharper angles in it.

(https://i.ibb.co/7rQj5SZ/FAF-1-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/QDMZSPW/FAF-3-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/GkSqb54/FAF-7-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/tsKNPL2/FAF-8-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/Pgy0YQC/FAF-9-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/F6TM9Tf/FAF-11-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/y4RpnCR/FAF-13-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/vDxTXnG/FAF-14-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/M2TZmKB/FAF-12-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/ByzSdwC/FAF-15-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/T4zN5tT/FAF-16-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/DWjttsb/FAF-17-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/FY5RfMm/FAF-18-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/smnSVMV/FAF-19-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/W5w2YNm/FAF-2-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/LdVFPTw/FAF-4-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/9ZDWTFS/FAF-5-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/svnbqXt/FAF-10-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/T44c1P3/FAF-6-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ash on May 09, 2019, 07:35:28 PM

 who makes the netting?

Sorry mate, completely missed this. The netting was a bit hard to source, I had an off cut of something similar, but had no idea what it was called. Ended up in the haberdashery dept at John Lewis who pointed me in the direction of a kids clothing store. Turns out its the stuff used to make ballet tutus. I found a head piece with a fair amount of material on it and chopped it up. Some sort of nylon material, sprayed it black which helped to stiffen it a bit, tried dry brushing silver on a bit, rubbing graphite on another (didn't even show up) so ended up lightly spraying a sandy tone, then went over it with some thinned down brown oil paint.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ash on May 18, 2019, 07:22:09 PM
Found another piece at Salute that goes with the little store I bought last year. The two roof pieces are the same size ('ish) so swap quite nicely.

(https://i.ibb.co/sgfY1bB/Resin-building-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/JxXrHtv/Resin-building-B-2-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/N7DKqsR/Resin-building-B-no-roof-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/6FQwV4q/Resin-building-roof-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/frVgZ1k/Resin-buildings-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Splod on May 18, 2019, 08:42:49 PM
Fantastic work! Characterful pieces and useful across so many conflicts and locations :)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Andym on May 19, 2019, 08:32:21 PM
Brilliant! Somehow I totally missed the update with the airfield/fuel dump! That’s an amazing piece! :-*
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: von Lucky on May 24, 2019, 11:34:10 PM
Aces.

What's next (moar, moar!)?
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: juergen c. olk on May 26, 2019, 09:56:50 PM
Nice find.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ash on May 27, 2019, 04:17:46 PM
Thanks guys for all the feedback and encouraging comments. I think I'm sort of nearly finished:

I have completed a full platoon of RAR, 20 SAS, 7 sticks of RLI, 1 stick of RR trackers, 10 PATU, 4 farmers, 6 Intaf & 13 dismounted Selous Scouts along with a load of vehicles that have mounted crew. A fair amount of MPVs and some armoured cars. Could do with a couple of Land Rovers and a Bedford RL, but that's about it. I've done nearly all the aircraft; 2 x Hunter, 2 x Lynx (wheels up & down), a Canberra, an Islander, a Dakota (with 8 Paras in chutes), a Vampire, 2 x Bell 205, 4 x Aloutte III, there is a half done Puma in a box to go with the SAS for Op Uric, so I'll get to that along with a Mi24 to go with the Executive Outcomes little blokes, but even at 1/72 they do take up a lot of room. Could always do with more ZANLA...

Following on from my attempt at a 2' x 2' terrain board I have started collecting bits for a 2' x 4', which will hopefully spawn into 3 x 4' x 2' eventually.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: gamer Mac on May 28, 2019, 10:29:50 AM
Lovely work :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
From the book I have just read you need you need loads more ZANLA, thousands of them, ZIRPA, Ferlimo and why not some soviet advisers etc,etc
Years worth of work left for you to finish in this project :D
Book was "A handful of hard men"
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ash on May 28, 2019, 08:56:04 PM
'A Handful of Hard Men' is an excellent book with a very appropriate title.  I'll dig out some other titles that may be of interest...

I've done a couple of soviet advisers with my FAPLA contingent & quite a few Cubans, along with BRDMs, BTRs and T54/5 and a lone Mi21 all in another thread along with SADF bits and bobs...

 http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=59008.0
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ash on July 27, 2019, 02:53:23 PM
Made a start on a couple of terrain boards, will be quite a steep learning curve...


(https://i.ibb.co/TrP48HM/WIP-board-1-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/10xvrNX/WIP-board-1-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/R66NXth/WIP-board-1-C-LR.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/kDTD5xy/Buildings-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/SR437Yy/Huts-on-board-1-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/Bw4NsWm/Huts-on-board-2-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ultravanillasmurf on July 27, 2019, 06:48:39 PM
Apologies - I thought one of the photographs was of a box of cakes (closer scrutiny indicated huts).
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: juergen c. olk on July 27, 2019, 08:36:05 PM
looking good so far.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ash on July 27, 2019, 10:24:20 PM
looking good so far.

That was a few days ago, this is it now:

(https://i.ibb.co/1KLpccb/WIP-board-1-D-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/M530Bjh/WIP-board-1-E-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/hdr8YF6/WIP-board-1-F-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/9Z2zw9s/WIP-board-1-G-LR.jpg)

Getting a smooth'ish surface is considerably less easy than expected, and surprisingly; resorting to copious quantities of harsh language resulted in no discernible difference what so ever.
More filler may be the way forward...
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: von Lucky on July 28, 2019, 10:06:48 AM
It does seem you're learning/making progress - don't give up.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ash on March 12, 2020, 11:10:24 AM
Finally got hold of a 20mm Bedford  RL, still a bit WIP:

(https://i.ibb.co/x2wWrrr/PIP-Bedford-RL-F-L34-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/C5f4nRq/PIP-Bedford-RL-F-R34-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/jJLBJZK/PIP-Bedford-RL-R-L34-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: gamer Mac on March 12, 2020, 08:01:21 PM
nice :-* :-* :-*
where is it from?
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ash on March 12, 2020, 08:39:26 PM
nice :-* :-* :-*
where is it from?

 Got this from Elhiem; 3D printed (seats in the back are from a different model)

https://www.elhiem.co.uk/ourshop/prod_6927606-VBA05c-British-RL-truck-NO-doors-and-open-back-version.html
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: juergen c. olk on March 14, 2020, 09:17:17 AM
Good to see what they look like.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: ulverston on March 25, 2020, 08:28:24 PM
Thanks for returning to this Ash I am enjoying it all over again
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ash on March 25, 2020, 09:40:19 PM
I've been rumaging through the stash of unpainted stuff and got a few things to add to the 20mm Bush Wars thread, but no more Rhodesian things as yet.
Did find some helicopter kits that would need a fair amount of modification to look the part & a Puma that is definatly on the to do list as SADF for Op Uric
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: flatpack on March 25, 2020, 10:49:50 PM
Oh yes, helicopters please sir.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ash on April 15, 2020, 12:47:13 PM
Well here's a helicopter. SAAF PUMA, bit of a mix of parts from two kits. With little RhSAS force for Op Uric.

(https://i.ibb.co/brmybG3/20mm-Rh-SAS-Op-Uric.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/fY7NthH/Rh-SAS-group-1-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/xsWZwm0/Rh-SAS-group-2-LR.jpg)

Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Splod on April 15, 2020, 09:22:08 PM
Stunning Ash. Your consistent style makes every project you approach really pop :)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: flatpack on April 15, 2020, 11:05:17 PM
Great stuff. Well done welding together one puma, from two pumas.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ash on April 19, 2020, 09:57:13 PM
Found this sprayed brown, added some basic green blobs.

(https://i.ibb.co/D1ZM39z/20mm-Rhodesian-unimog-Command-vehicle-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/6nf2PKj/20mm-Rhodesian-unimog-Command-vehicle-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/ScV7Tf2/20mm-Rhodesian-unimog-Command-vehicle-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/5xjrZ2D/20mm-Rhodesian-unimog-Command-vehicle-D-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: flatpack on April 19, 2020, 10:48:46 PM
What the heck ?
Looks like a mine protected camper van.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ash on April 19, 2020, 10:54:20 PM
That's pretty much what it is. Based on a 2.5T Unimog, and used as a Command Vehicle.

(https://i.ibb.co/LQ6WD40/tac-hq-2-5.png)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: bazookajoe on April 19, 2020, 10:59:08 PM
And of course it has a Venter trailer. ;)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ash on April 29, 2020, 07:22:25 PM
Had a go at a K-Car Alpha (Dalmation)

(https://i.ibb.co/DYfpnvw/Alouette-III-K-car-Alpha-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/F4rr0vd/Alouette-III-K-car-Alpha-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/L8W0WLm/Alouette-III-K-car-Alpha-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/B4Pz6SG/Alouette-III-K-car-Alpha-D-LR.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/5vHYzk6/Alfa-clean-up-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ultravanillasmurf on April 29, 2020, 08:30:20 PM
Nice work.

Is that turbine in a literal armoured bath tub?
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ash on April 29, 2020, 09:01:53 PM
Nice work.

Is that turbine in a literal armoured bath tub?

Cheers. My scratchbuilding leaves alot to be desired, & the air filters ended up a tad oversized.

The exhaust on the real thing were sat inside a tub primarily to prevent the heat seeker in a Strella (SAM 7) from seeing the hot spot, the exhaust pipe would have been angled up to so the gasses would be dispersed by the down draft.

(https://i.ibb.co/wyvWsp1/shroud.jpg)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: gamer Mac on April 29, 2020, 11:33:07 PM
Cracking model :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: juergen c. olk on April 30, 2020, 10:58:37 AM
Beautiful work.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: flatpack on April 30, 2020, 02:41:35 PM
Outstanding performance on your behalf, covering a fascinating period.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ash on May 01, 2020, 12:11:14 AM
Thanks guys. Just a quick note; the technician sitting behind the guns in the reference photo is apparently the only bloke ever credited with shooting down a fixed wing aircraft with a helicopter, not with the set up in that picture but from a standard K-Car with a 20mm cannon.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: ulverston on May 03, 2020, 06:52:22 PM
Ash, did you once publish more pictures on how you converted the helicopters? I may have dreamt it but I seem to remember there being more pics? I only ask as I have one en route and a "how to" would be really handy... as would finding out where to source a door gunner and gun.
Also on their way is an order from Under Fire miniatures... reading this thread pushed me over the edge...
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ash on May 03, 2020, 09:07:31 PM
Ash, did you once publish more pictures on how you converted the helicopters? I may have dreamt it but I seem to remember there being more pics? I only ask as I have one en route and a "how to" would be really handy... as would finding out where to source a door gunner and gun.
Also on their way is an order from Under Fire miniatures... reading this thread pushed me over the edge...

I think I may have, can't remember where I posted them and any links from back then (made the first eight years back) will have died when Photobucket disappeared up its own @rse.
There are a few pictures at the begining of this thread. Just had a rummage through an old HD and found the originals....

The good old Heller 1/72 Alouette III, was a very old OOP kit back then and the plastic was a tad brittle. I believe it has since been rereleased so hopefully better quality plastic. It's pretty much a follow the instructions build with the following modifications:

Chop off the starboard side cabin door (keep the pilots door).
(https://i.ibb.co/frKY5y3/WIP-Alouette-right.jpg)

Chop off the portside cabin & front door (works for both G-Car & K-Car).
(https://i.ibb.co/7v0TB4X/WIP-Alouette-left.jpg)

Only add the rightside pilots seat and controls (no co-pilots).

The addition, if you wish to make them are:
Add armoured head rest/shield to pilots chair.
Add hood to control console (like a monitor glare hood).
Add port side front seats backwards.
(https://i.ibb.co/XtHhfRK/WIP-Alouette-steps-R.jpg)

Add bench seat to rear of cabin.
(https://i.ibb.co/RcpWPQq/WIP-Alouette-steps-L.jpg)
Pinched mine from another kit, made a press mold to make extras.
(https://i.ibb.co/6PbY6mb/WIP-Alouette-line-up.jpg)

Add exterior steps (full length both sides for G-Car. Full length starboard side K-Car, short step port side).
(https://i.ibb.co/hRTxFQ2/WIP-K-car-flight-crew.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/BN4HDmj/WIP-K-Car-guns.jpg)

Adapt exhaust pipe to point up at the end (never bothered).
Add anti Strella shield to exhaust (thin styrene works ok).
(https://i.ibb.co/TYNVjv8/WIP-G-car-SAM-shroud.jpg)

Add fat air filters. Made mine out of rectangles of plasticard, three or four layers each one slightly smaller. smooth the ridges with filler. Add filter looking front panel).
(https://i.ibb.co/J2Hx0zh/WIP-K-car-Alpha-3-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/vPrBySv/PIP-G-car-3-detail.jpg)
The ammo feed is incorrect in the above picture. The belts should go up the middle between the guns, with pipes catching all the doppies on the outer sides.
(https://i.ibb.co/VBMgd0F/38919448414-bf23a946ec-z.jpg)


Add weapon mounts & .30cal (G-Kar. Elhiem have some nice guns. Also look on eBay for brass and resin barrels. Avro Lancaster barrels for the G-Kars, should be able to find some nice brass ones for the 20mm).
(https://i.ibb.co/ZJL3p7s/WIP-G-car-guns.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/k95HsY3/WIP-G-Car-gun-mounts.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/m0MT3jw/20mm-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/N7FM608/WIP-K-car-Alpha-2-LR.jpg)

I got my pilots from Elhiem; I liked them as they don't have tons of kit like life jackets etc.
(https://i.ibb.co/XSy4ht3/PIP-20mm-Pilots.jpg)

Technician/gunners I used the Vietnam crew from SHQ (HC1)
(https://i.ibb.co/JRVGQs0/WIP-20mm-crew.jpg)
http://www.shqminiatures.co.uk/Ranges/Vietnam/Vietnammain.php?UID=2020050321052194.13.176.254

I also modified the rotors after an unprovoked attack by my daughters cat. Added some thin steel rod and attched the whole assembly with magnets, which makes storage a lot easier.
(https://i.ibb.co/3df5FRZ/Allouette-III-rotor-magnet-1-LR.jpg)

Let me know if you need any reference pictures, I have quite a few...
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: ulverston on May 04, 2020, 08:55:19 AM
Ash thank you for taking the time to post the how to. I know this will have taken you a lot of time and effort and its very much appreciated. The seat layout and gun construction is particularly helpful and very clear, the four barrelled monster is a work of art! The kit I ordered is a Heller which I believe is still in production... it will be interesting to see how it takes to alteration. I have saved your pics for reference-I hope that's OK?
Thanks again for the help I am indebted.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ash on May 04, 2020, 11:38:28 AM
No probs, happy to help. Quite frankly being stuck at home you gave me something to do! Any other querries fire away, I'm in all day.

One tip: when glueing the bottom part of the hull/cabin to the back end; tape the clear part of the roof/canopy in place whilst the glue drying. Helps to make the clear parts fit for when you get to that stage. I forgot on the last one and ended up with a bit of a gap, that required more plasticard and filler to sort and is still visable.

Also test fit any crew figures;  I found some, once glued into their seats, touched the underside of the ceiling and stopped it fitting. If that happens it's easier to cut down the bottom of the chair than file down the head!
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: ulverston on May 04, 2020, 02:58:50 PM
Good tips thank you. I have purchased the Lancaster gun barrels from fleabay and will probably start with a G Kar. For the support struts on seats etc did you use brass rod or fuse wire please? I may try and seat some crew in the passenger seats but as you mention it may be a bit of a squeeze! Elhiem pilots will be used for the pilot and door gunner I think.
Lock down has been a gift for me, horrible for the people affected but I have been wanting to actually do this for a couple of years now. My table is covered in little huts also of your design... again thanks for the help.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ultravanillasmurf on May 04, 2020, 07:29:13 PM
Thanks for that,, nice work.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ash on May 04, 2020, 08:18:09 PM
Good tips thank you. I have purchased the Lancaster gun barrels from fleabay and will probably start with a G Kar. For the support struts on seats etc did you use brass rod or fuse wire please? I may try and seat some crew in the passenger seats but as you mention it may be a bit of a squeeze! Elhiem pilots will be used for the pilot and door gunner I think.
Lock down has been a gift for me, horrible for the people affected but I have been wanting to actually do this for a couple of years now. My table is covered in little huts also of your design... again thanks for the help.

I used brass rod for the side steps, I can't remember what gauge it was, but it came in straight lengths not on a roll. I drilled the holes into the body of the heli at about 45 degree angle and bent them with little round nosed pliers. I found it a lot easier to make each piece over long, superglue it all together and them trim the rods down once set. A lot simpler than trying to construct something and then glue it to the aircraft.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: ulverston on May 04, 2020, 09:39:23 PM
Perfect thank you Ash that is really useful advice. 20mm is growing on me again, I am sort of rediscovering the scale and will be trying this using the Spectre rules.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: juergen c. olk on May 05, 2020, 08:59:37 PM
great tutorial.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: ErikB on June 29, 2020, 03:44:59 PM
Just discovered this.  Fantastic job!!!  I am working on my ZANLA guys right now and trying to get the kids interested in Rhodesia.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ash on June 30, 2020, 10:20:08 AM
Just discovered this.  Fantastic job!!!  I am working on my ZANLA guys right now and trying to get the kids interested in Rhodesia.

Thanks very much.
Which ZANLA minis are you using (Under Fire)?
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ash on October 08, 2021, 10:42:47 AM
Not looked in here for rather a long time. Ran out of 28mm things to chuck paint at, so finally succumbed to digging out a long ignored pack of 20mm.
Under Fire miniatures pack 'Selous Scouts 3'. They look a tad 'regular army' to me compaired to the 'armpits with eyeballs' look of the Scouts, but definitly work for early '70's RLI etc.

(https://i.ibb.co/WKzBDCZ/20mm-Selous-Scouts-3-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/k3ztfQv/20mm-Selous-Scouts-3-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/X73bKNz/20mm-Selous-Scouts-3-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/Wx2HCjm/20mm-Selous-Scouts-3-D-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: CapnJim on October 08, 2021, 04:26:09 PM
Nice job!  Well Done!

My eyes made me move from 20mm to 28mm.  But 20mm used to be my "one true scale"...
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: juergen c. olk on October 09, 2021, 11:49:06 PM
SUPER.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: bluewillow on October 11, 2021, 09:07:04 AM
Excellent work on those Ash, my new regular wargamer spent time in the RLI and has some hairy stories to tell.

Cheers
Matt
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: CPT Shanks on January 11, 2022, 05:54:41 AM
Wow. What an incredible resource. Thanks your first post alone just answered tons of questions I had. Started working some old 20mm and 1/72 kits again over the holiday turning some Vietnamese into ZANLA and cross border SAS/ Sealous Scouts. Now I'll have to try the Heller Alouettes again. The first ones I got were the blue brittle plastic. Right pain to work on.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ash on January 11, 2022, 11:32:36 AM
Not looked in here for a bit, cheers for the replies.

Excellent work on those Ash, my new regular wargamer spent time in the RLI and has some hairy stories to tell.

Cheers
Matt

When I was in my teens a lot of the blokes a few years older had been in the RLI, those older than them PATU. Some very intense experiences had by some very young people. Friend I was working with in the late '80's served in 3 Co, made over 30 operational jumps, ontop of all the G-car insertions, all whilst under the age of 21.
With hindsight, I just wish I'd been better at scrounging old kit back then as so much stuff got burned in the early '80's. I do however recall a certain irrigation dam, at the base of which there is probably still a rather well rusted heap of old weapons languishing...


Wow. What an incredible resource. Thanks your first post alone just answered tons of questions I had. Started working some old 20mm and 1/72 kits again over the holiday turning some Vietnamese into ZANLA and cross border SAS/ Sealous Scouts. Now I'll have to try the Heller Alouettes again. The first ones I got were the blue brittle plastic. Right pain to work on.

Thanks, glad it's all of some use.
I found the first Alouette kits on ebay, at that time the kit had been out of production for several years/decades, the ones I found were quite old, and as you noted the plastic was/is rather brittle.
Just harsh language alone was enough to make the wheels snap off. I believe the kit has since been re-released, hopefully 'new' kits should be a tad more resilient.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: CPT Shanks on January 12, 2022, 05:11:18 AM
Ash I have the Cessna Lynx from a civilian kit, where did you source the guns from or are they scratch built? I looked through the thread but may have missed it if it's in there. Also do you have any tutorial for how you do the brushstroke camo?  Insanely good work. Thanks again.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ash on January 12, 2022, 09:13:24 AM
Ash I have the Cessna Lynx from a civilian kit, where did you source the guns from or are they scratch built? I looked through the thread but may have missed it if it's in there. Also do you have any tutorial for how you do the brushstroke camo?  Insanely good work. Thanks again.

I used a couple of these kits, again ebay finds and old and brittle...
(https://i.ibb.co/72Wpn5c/Cessna-337.jpg)

The guns on top of the wing were made from styrene tube, little bit of sheet styrene for the mount, GS for the cone shape at the back & gun barrels chopped off some .30 cals from Elhiem.

Re the camo pattern; The shapes in the pattern are quite large and tend to repeat fairly regularly. At this scale I just picked a few of the more stand out shapes from the pattern and plonk them in prominent places. Use reference pics to get the scale right ('ish).

(https://i.ibb.co/yYtLWn1/overalls-front.jpg)(https://i.ibb.co/2sN7WkP/overalls-back.jpg)

Base colour: I think I used 'Dark sand' or 'Iraqi sand' (that'll get knocked back a bit by a green wash later), the brown bits 'chocolate brown', then the green bits a mix of 'olive green' & 'luftwaffer green'.
Once dry I tend to go over camo with a thin wash/filter layer, then a light drybrush of a sandy beige.
(https://i.ibb.co/tQRZ7wf/RAR-PIP-7-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/pwCfFCC/RAR-PIP-6-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ash on January 12, 2022, 12:53:42 PM
Here's a few pics of wepon mounts:

All the options; the mounted pods are for SNEB rockets, the cone over the front breaks away on firing.

(https://i.ibb.co/QmgtfLB/185470-10151124506384549-1977974965-n.jpg)

37mm on the left, 68mm on the right.

(https://i.ibb.co/XWby8fw/RLIfireforcecessna337lynxrocketpodloading.jpg)

Twin .303 Browning

(https://i.ibb.co/2k3CxfP/82619851-2492365131081633-1535605616121217024-o.jpg)

Frantan (Napalm)

(https://i.ibb.co/GvDsYfJ/Frantans.jpg)

Golf (ANFO) & Frantan (Napalm)

(https://i.ibb.co/McLb2tZ/Golfand-Frantanforthe-Lynx.jpg)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: CPT Shanks on January 12, 2022, 08:23:51 PM
Excellent reference photos thanks. I don't think I ever looked at the under wing armaments. Not sure my fingers are nimble enough for scratch building those .303s. Great stuff
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ash on January 14, 2022, 09:53:04 AM
Excellent reference photos thanks. I don't think I ever looked at the under wing armaments. Not sure my fingers are nimble enough for scratch building those .303s. Great stuff

At this scale they don't need to be too pretty, I think they do however make the Cessna look like a 'Lynx', even if just basically executed like the ones I did.

I used a piece of plastic tube (might even have been a piece from a Q-tip/cotton bud on the first). A rough little cone shape of green stuff, squished into place with fingers for the back end, same for the front with a gun barrel pushed into the end. Not too taxing, and if it looks crap have another go..! Last bit was just a little rectangle of plasticard to raise the gunpod slightly above the wing.

Mk 1  gun pods are quite thin, pretty sure that was a q-tip or one of those plastic bristle protecting tubes from a paint brush.
(https://i.ibb.co/9w1Qmfr/Lynx-L-front-LR.jpg)

Mk 2 gun pod, proper syrene tube (Evergreen type stuff), bit bigger, hopefully looks a little better, resin gun barrels (look for 1/72 Lancaster guns).
(https://i.ibb.co/5vPpCty/PIP-FAF-10-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/Rc5QCqS/PIP-FAF-12-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: CapnJim on January 14, 2022, 06:00:13 PM
Nice work there, Ash.  Well done!  I really like the Cessna...
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: flatpack on January 15, 2022, 09:20:11 AM
Excellent detail. Keep up the good work.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ultravanillasmurf on January 16, 2022, 10:35:58 PM
Nice painting.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: CPT Shanks on January 21, 2022, 01:35:33 AM
Thanks Ash. I'm looking for some various 1/72 models (OV-10 Bronco, A-1 Skyraider) that might have massive payload of accessories to see if I can kit mine out. Yours definitely look the part.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ash on February 09, 2022, 02:17:43 PM
Not looked in here for a bit, thanks for all the kind words gents.

@ CPT Shanks: Another option for ordanance. Italeri used to ( may well still) sell a box of 'USA/NATO AIRCRAFT WEAPONS' in 1/72.
Would have all the shapes of bomb and rocket pods needed to represent the under-wing load out.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Golgotha on February 09, 2022, 06:55:03 PM
Those are lovely additions. Fond memories of having lived in Southern Africa.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Digits on February 11, 2022, 04:35:53 PM
Fantastic work with the Cessna mate, almost as good as the Forgeworld Arvus you painted for me! 😉
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ash on February 12, 2022, 06:28:39 PM
Fantastic work with the Cessna mate, almost as good as the Forgeworld Arvus you painted for me! 😉

Thanks David. Had good fun painting 40k stuff, that said I don't miss it. Repainting all my old Guard blokes in Multicam was the end for me, I think that's when I got into the 20mm Bush Wars stuff.
I still have one of the Arvus (still have all my old 40K stuff, sitting in boxes in storage).

(https://i.imgur.com/HbX8iQX.jpg)

Somewhat off topic, but just to see if it would fit, I shoehorned a 40K AFV into a piece of terrain I made for the 28mm 'Nam stuff, sort of looked ok.

(https://i.imgur.com/FMTVuA4.jpg)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Digits on February 12, 2022, 07:06:30 PM
Yup…good times but never going back myself either……my Drogans are all boxed up, and at some point I must sell them I suppose.  My arvus is nicely packed up too.  Could use it for other generic sci fi though, so may hold on to that.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Splod on February 13, 2022, 05:55:54 AM
I haven't played a game of 40k since 4th ed, but I've got friends that remained faithful. Up until the last two or three years that is. Most of them seemed to see another system they liked the look of (Mostly Infinity or Bolt Action) and then branched out from there. I think the only 40k I've still got are a handful of Plague Walkers and some Traitor Guard for an INQ28 idea that never got off the ground.

I still collect and play Titanicus though. Epic Armageddon has been a constant for me over the last 20 years, so the new titan love from GW grabbed my attention.The game has enough tactical challenge and resource management to keep me engaged.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ash on October 04, 2022, 09:47:05 AM
Picked up the RSF search team / engineers, from Under Fire Miniatures. Not tried painting the camo in 20mm for a while. Never painted a dog before.

(https://i.ibb.co/LY0jzFx/WIP-Rhodesian-Search-Team-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ash on January 03, 2023, 10:44:36 AM
Been going through all my figure cases and taking group shots.

Here's the first of the 20mm Rhodesian stuff.

Selous Scout column

(https://i.ibb.co/P1prVXT/Selous-Scouts-complete-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/qM7xq3Y/Selous-Scouts-complete-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/BjtwCPP/Selous-Scouts-complete-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/0j6Ss0s/Selous-Scouts-complete-D-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/HnPkThy/Selous-Scouts-complete-E-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/yQq3KXx/Selous-Scouts-complete-F-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/MPBVcRN/Selous-Scouts-complete-G-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ash on January 03, 2023, 11:02:45 AM
Some SAS troops with a couple of RRAF N0:8 Squadron Bell 205s

(https://i.ibb.co/ygbQXP1/RSAS-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/SdnhXcd/RSAS-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/qRwRDHg/RSAS-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/SVDsJYH/RSAS-D-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/mbvd2S2/RSAS-E-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Golgotha on January 03, 2023, 11:03:40 AM
Unbelievably fantastic as always - such an inspirational thread.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ash on January 03, 2023, 11:17:21 AM
Cheers.

A couple of Rhodesian Regiment tracking teams & some PATU sticks.

(https://i.ibb.co/gzQBH5t/PATU-complete-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/qpb5MqQ/PATU-complete-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/4pGLjfV/PATU-complete-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/kBfQVzV/PATU-complete-D-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/YWLrG2s/PATU-complete-E-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ash on January 03, 2023, 12:40:42 PM
Rhodesian African Rifles platoon + transports; MAP 4.5 & MAP 7.5, a couple of Scorpion mortar carriers etc

(https://i.ibb.co/bX2dC6w/RAR-complete-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/Mc0BC1g/RAR-complete-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/zHn9dwx/RAR-complete-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/VCc5pM8/RAR-complete-D-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/M7bfJV4/RAR-complete-E-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/N6kvN0N/RAR-complete-H-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/QfjbbPT/RAR-complete-I-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/nRJXtWv/RAR-complete-J-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/XsY8fXk/RAR-complete-K-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Rick F on January 03, 2023, 06:16:21 PM
Lovely, reminds me to get on with mine. I have no vehicles done at all.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ash on January 03, 2023, 06:31:42 PM
Lovely, reminds me to get on with mine. I have no vehicles done at all.

Cheers Rick. These have only got a pretty basic paint job. Bit of green spray, a wash and some weather pigments.
Which vehicles did you get?

Here's the Rhodesian Light Infantry, with some No.7 Squadron Alouette IIIs

(https://i.ibb.co/WsyjGYG/RLI-complete-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/18v6Hwt/RLI-complete-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/9s8fsNz/RLI-complete-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/VqKSvLz/RLI-complete-D-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/z7P5bcS/RLI-complete-E-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/42S7NbC/RLI-complete-F-LR.jpg)

.. and a No.3 Squadron C-47

(https://i.ibb.co/QdxfBBL/RLI-Dak-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/q1PC65m/RLI-Dak-B-LR.jpg)

Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Rick F on January 03, 2023, 07:29:29 PM
Wow, even better mate. I just have a couple of Landrovers I plan to up-armour (sandbag :)) at some point in the distant future.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: fred on January 03, 2023, 07:45:10 PM
Very nice!

I think 5 helos might be classed as more than ‘some’!
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: AKULA on January 04, 2023, 07:04:21 PM
Beautiful looking collection  :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: CapnJim on January 05, 2023, 08:59:56 PM
Another great collection!  Well done!
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: flatpack on January 05, 2023, 11:19:11 PM
Outstanding collection.
Lovely eye candy.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: mikedemana on January 06, 2023, 02:24:42 AM
"Get to da choppa...!!"  lol

Those look great. I'll trade you my collection for yours....  ;)

Mike Demana
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Freddy on January 14, 2023, 11:56:38 AM
Just went through this thread, and I am shocked: what a great topic and what a great collection!
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: sandsmodels on January 14, 2023, 12:11:02 PM
excellent work on that lot
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ash on January 14, 2023, 07:10:35 PM
Wow, even better mate. I just have a couple of Landrovers I plan to up-armour (sandbag :)) at some point in the distant future.

Cheers Rick, look forward to seeing those.

Very nice!

I think 5 helos might be classed as more than ‘some’!

Thanks. It started as enough for a Fire Force, then had to have a go at the K car- Alpha, would have been rude not to...

Beautiful looking collection  :-* :-* :-*

Cheers AKULA, much appreciated.

Another great collection!  Well done!

Thanks Jim. The gaming mat is now back rolled up, worked a treat, thanks for the great idea.

"Get to da choppa...!!"  lol

Those look great. I'll trade you my collection for yours....  ;)

Mike Demana

I think I'm pretty much done with this one. Still got a few half painted figure, just can't face painting that fiddly brush stoke pattern anymore.
That and 20mm is too small for my Mk1 eyeballs to focus on. Probably stick with the 28mm for now.

Just went through this thread, and I am shocked: what a great topic and what a great collection!

Thanks Freddy. Much appreciated for the feedback, glad you like them. Had a lot of fun with this lot.

excellent work on that lot

Ta very much. Straight back at you both, excellent work on all those models you've made. This project wouldn't have been possible without all the weird and wonderful vehicles.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: CapnJim on January 15, 2023, 05:55:39 PM
Thanks Jim. The gaming mat is now back rolled up, worked a treat, thanks for the great idea.

Glad I could be of service!   :D 

My mat is still deployed.  Still have group shots to take of my 1920s/1930s US gangster stuff, my Old West stuff (my smallest collection), my Fenian Raids in Canada stuff, and my War of 1812 stuff.  The Gangster stuff is next, after our weekly game Friday, in which some of them will take part.  That should finish my 28mm stuff.  Then, perhaps, it's on to my 20mm stuff...
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: juergen c. olk on January 27, 2023, 10:58:05 PM
You have outdone yourself. Spectacular paint jobs.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ash on January 29, 2023, 08:16:55 PM
Thanks Juergen.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ash on February 26, 2023, 09:24:38 AM
Group shot of the ZANLA CTs, with some knocked out tanks.

(https://i.ibb.co/hZj9B9D/ZANLA-group-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/JjN7bxS/ZANLA-group-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/DCxyGGR/ZANLA-group-C-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: flatpack on February 26, 2023, 09:54:13 AM
Do we think, with a touch of DW40 oil, we could get these vehicles moving again ?
Great job there.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Freddy on February 26, 2023, 11:10:35 AM
Great collection of figures and tanks!
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Do we think, with a touch of DW40 oil, we could get these vehicles moving again ?
Might need some duct tape too.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: madman on February 26, 2023, 02:54:07 PM
I like the look. Seems like:

1. knocked out this month

2. Knocked out this year (or decade)

3. Been here for a LONG while.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: CapnJim on February 26, 2023, 04:30:44 PM
Great collection of figures and tanks!Might need some duct tape too.

I was gonna suggest duct tape and bailing wire... :D

But they're right.  Great stuff!
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ash on February 28, 2023, 11:34:18 AM
I'm sure it'll just buff out...
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: juergen c. olk on February 28, 2023, 10:56:01 PM
Love the derelict T-34s..great job.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ash on March 01, 2023, 08:31:55 AM
Love the derelict T-34s..great job.

Cheers Juergen, it's this old thing from 2012.

(https://i.ibb.co/n8FZZZr/T34-85-rusty-C-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: has.been on March 01, 2023, 10:42:14 AM
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Cheers Juergen, it's this old thing from 2012.

What! No-one driven it away since?   lol lol lol
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ash on March 01, 2023, 11:11:04 AM
Here's the reference picture, looks like it's been sat there a while.

(https://i.ibb.co/52wW1ck/T-34-85-rusty-green.jpg)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Freddy on March 01, 2023, 09:39:00 PM
Some parts of Africa are rainforests, some deserts, both are eating up abandoned vehicles really fast (rainforests are obvious, deserts have the big daily temperature changes).
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: flatpack on March 01, 2023, 11:50:12 PM
I’m amazed it doesn’t have a parking ticket on it.
Looks like it’s been in that car park some time.  lol
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: has.been on March 02, 2023, 06:51:58 AM
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I’m amazed it doesn’t have a parking ticket on it.
Looks like it’s been in that car park some time.  lol

But Bob, put a parking ticket on it then you'd have to tow it away! :D
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ash on December 27, 2023, 11:31:28 AM
Fourteen months later...

Having literally cleared out all 28mm stuff, and having these taunting me for over a year I put the Mk 1 eyeball to the test and chucked some paint at 20mm.
I now have eye strain...

These are from Under Fire Miniatures, Rhodesian mine search team.
(https://i.ibb.co/nzYFsG2/Rhodesian-Engineers-20mm-A-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/2sv3YBM/Rhodesian-Engineers-20mm-B-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/zPcnFxJ/Rhodesian-Engineers-20mm-C-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/DrNB9hD/Rhodesian-Engineers-20mm-D-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/5B3zgyj/Rhodesian-Engineers-20mm-E-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: has.been on December 27, 2023, 12:38:37 PM
Excellent paint job on the camo in any scale, but to achieve it in 20mm... :o :o :-*
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ash on December 27, 2023, 02:13:55 PM
Thanks has.been, bought a new brush (Christmas prezzie to self...) Roubloff Kolinsky Sable size 1.

Here's the other two from the pack.

(https://i.ibb.co/s6CVxkz/Rhodesian-Engineers-20mm-F-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/8xTNkZV/Rhodesian-Engineers-20mm-G-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/Mps4M6G/Rhodesian-Engineers-20mm-H-LR.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/Lk0H8DY/Rhodesian-Engineers-20mm-I-LR.jpg)
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: has.been on December 27, 2023, 04:20:14 PM
Nice present.

I would buy one too, but it would be like asking for another pen, because...
This one don't spell right. :D
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: flatpack on December 27, 2023, 06:01:28 PM
Great paint job as normal Ash.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Westy38 on December 27, 2023, 09:55:36 PM
Excellent work there Ash.

Under Fire Miniatures VERY definitely approves this post.

Regards,

Bill @ Under Fire.
www.underfireminiatures.com
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: mikedemana on December 29, 2023, 05:46:10 PM
Excellent paint job on the camo in any scale, but to achieve it in 20mm... :o :o :-*

Agreed! I would be happy if I could do as well with 28mm...  lol

Ash, you (and your Mk. I eyeball) are truly an inspiration to us all!  :o

Mike Demana
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: CapnJim on December 30, 2023, 10:50:36 PM
Nice work on that team.  Love the dog...
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: Ultravanillasmurf on December 31, 2023, 09:27:24 AM
Very good work.
Title: Re: 20mm Rhodesians
Post by: juergen c. olk on January 04, 2024, 10:41:46 PM
Nice work,love  the conversions