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Miniatures Adventure => Pulp => Topic started by: Wirelizard on April 23, 2008, 07:58:29 AM
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I've been doing bits and pieces of paper/card scenery for years; the problem with 15mm is that the folding quickly gets very, very fiddly indeed! 28mm is a much saner scale for paper construction, and I've been having fun the last few weeks with cardstock and gluestick!
Non-paper 28mm scenery & vehicles are also well outside my starving-student gaming budget, currently...
Rattrap's very cool (and free!) Zeppelin Passenger Cabin (2nd entry) (http://www.rattrap-productions.com/PulpHeroes/Downloads/Downloads.html) was my first big pulpish paper project; now I'm looking for something new!
Rummaging through RPGNow (http://www.rpgnow.com/index.php?filters=0_2220_0) and similar sites has shown me a couple of things:
- SF & Fantasy gamers have it made for cardstock scenery. Dungeons, castles, starships, tanks, mecha... everything seems to be in cardstock.
- historical & quasi-historical (ie, pulp!) players aren't anywhere nearly as well off...
Dungeons & caverns can be re-purposed to be the lairs of villians or cults, sure, but straight-up buildings and vehicles in pulpish vein seem awfully hard to come by.
There are a couple of companies making modern(ish) cardstock buildings and such:
- WorldWorks Games (http://www.worldworksgames.com/store/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=7&zenid=e203f96bcc4ef3e66b1742ccac6176fc) have their 'Mayhem City' stuff, some of which looks usable on an interwar pulpish table.
- likewise, some of the Microtactix's Twilight Street (http://www.rpgnow.com/product_info.php?products_id=17646&it=1) range look usable.
PDFs are cheap, sure, but I'd still hate to get one of these products and discover than only one or two bits of each product are actually usable on a pulp table... The vehicles and some of the other accessories are obviously too modern, but how many of the actual buildings would work on an early 20th C table?
Anyone got advice on pulpish paper? More pictures of some of the ranges above so we can determine pulp potential?
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TVAG does Mean Streets. 1930's Chicago buildings.
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If you feel that the weight of your wallet is affecting your posture negatively, I suggest you take a gander at Model Tech Studio's (http://mts.inline.net/merchant.ihtml?id=3&step=2) O Scale products:
The Old Mill
(http://mts.inline.net/prodimg/J0103.jpg)
Tenements
(http://mts.inline.net/prodimg/J0094.jpg)
Dock kit
(http://mts.inline.net/prodimg/OWATERFRT.jpg)
...just to mention a few.
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Definitely out of my league...
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Ouch Hammers that hurt just to look at the price there :lol:
I did find this site bit cheaper
http://www.papermodels.net/catalog/advanced_search.php?
I found that there are some buildings at 1:50
of particular interest to me was the 46" long airships for $36 which could be good after discussions on a previous thread.
Some of the models did not have a scale though
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Dock kit
(http://mts.inline.net/prodimg/OWATERFRT.jpg)
that's what I've been looking for! thanks, Hammers!
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Keep in mind that the dollar is toy money to us Euroguys (as Keyan calls us) now so a purchase from across the Atlantic is very favorable <smug emoticon>.
I recently got this from the same company just to see what the quality was and it turned out to be a beauty:
(http://mts.inline.net/prodimg/S0047.jpg)
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By the way, some time ago there was someone talking about a sisal hauler...
(http://mts.inline.net/prodimg/S0093.jpg)
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(http://www.warmacre.com/images/DasBunker_coversmall_250px.jpg)
Have you seen the bunker and stuff here (http://forum.backofbeyond.de/viewtopic.php?t=5154&highlight=)?
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just discovered that ebay shop selling some of their stuff a bit cheaper:
http://stores.ebay.com/Mesa-Models-Inc
now I'm spoilt for choice :roll:
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Forgive my ignorance. Not coming from a Model Railway background the various scales/gauges involved are a closed book to me. I remember the old Airfix figures having HO/OO on the packaging, but what is O scale?
Good for 28mm, is it?
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Forgive my ignorance. Not coming from a Model Railway background the various scales/gauges involved are a closed book to me. I remember the old Airfix figures having HO/OO on the packaging, but what is O scale?
Good for 28mm, is it?
That's the thing: you will ever only get a lawyers answer to that question. Model railroad nerds (unlike us cool and intelectually superior wargaming enthusiasts) only refer to scale in the terms of the width between the rails. 0 scale is the original Märklin scale, H0 (half 0) is now the most widespread. Everything else is relative to that: houses, cars, trees... But since width between the rails varies in real life, 0 scale could be 1/43, 1/48 or even 1/50 or 1/64 AND 1/32 or 1/20 for narrow gauge railways.
See here what Wikipedia says about 0 scale (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O_scale).
The buildings made in O scale by this company is roughly 1/48 and sits very well with 28mms, at least the pieces I have, which are the abovementioned crane and an assortment of plastic window frames, doors and other tidbits.
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As hammershield said, these damn Railwaygeeks are using the Railwidth as their scalometer. And to make things worse the railwidth could differ from country to country. Those wacky French, for example, had another railwitdh than the rest of Europe, so their 0 is ~ 1:43,5, the german is ~ 1:45 and the yankees are using 1:48
But over the Thump you can say:
2 ~ 1:22,5
1 ~ 1:32
0 ~ 1:43,5 -1/48
S ~ 1:64
EM ~ 1:76
H0 ~ 1/87
TT ~ 1:120
N ~ 1:160
Z ~ 1:220
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I find O scale stuff to be a bit too big, but for buildings it is not too noticeable (vehicles are a different story). I build all my scratch built stuff to 1:56. The major challenge with S scale stuff is that it is quite expensive and hard to find, being a relatively obscure scale.
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I find O scale stuff to be a bit too big, but for buildings it is not too noticeable (vehicles are a different story). I build all my scratch built stuff to 1:56. The major challenge with S scale stuff is that it is quite expensive and hard to find, being a relatively obscure scale.
I think that's a matter of whether you want to use the interior of the buildings or just use the buildings as 'sets'. If you want to let your minis go inside, it's better to have slightly oversized buildings than slightly undersized IMHO...
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Thanks for the TVAG suggestion further upthread - I'll have to get one of their PDFs to check it out! Their pre-printed stuff isn't actually that much more expensive than the PDFs, either.
I also like their 'Mean Sets' idea - doing the rooms of one building is mentioned in a bunch of the 45A scenarios, but for some reason hadn't sunk into my head yet.
As for the custom O Scale railroading stuff - gorgeous, but the cost! :o :o :o
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This site;
http://www.illinoishistory.gov/ps/construct_mainstreet.htm
has been presented here before but is worth looking at. It's at 1/87 scale but can be resized for printing.
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Nice, but too small.. being HO, you'd have o 'blow them up' somewhat to make 28 mm buildings - but maybe the graphics can take it..?
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Don't forget Ebob's Stalag Luft III buildings. These are easy to make and produse nice buildings that have so many uses. Even better, the downloads are free :)
http://www.ebobminiatures.com/stalagluft/downloads.htm
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This site;
http://www.illinoishistory.gov/ps/construct_mainstreet.htm
has been presented here before but is worth looking at. It's at 1/87 scale but can be resized for printing.
I really like that art deco "Senior Citizen's Building from there: http://www.illinoishistory.gov/ps/construct_mainstreet_elgin.htm
Now to find a way to get it up to 1/60 or so for 28mm... a number of the walls already fill the entire sheet, so it's going to be a bit of a challenge...
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Don't forget Ebob's Stalag Luft III buildings. These are easy to make and produse nice buildings that have so many uses. Even better, the downloads are free :)
http://www.ebobminiatures.com/stalagluft/downloads.htm
Cheers for the link. 8)
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Yes, thanks for the link. I'll give it a try...
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I cant really speak for any of the other paper manufacturers, but I have got a whole shedload of Workldworks stuff, which in some cases can be suitable for Pulp games.
As a rundown
Shellendrak MAnor - ideal for old manor houses and the like, it does have a nice roadster which is very cool. Think the o'connels residence in the mummy II. Return to Shellendrak gives a further set of roadsters, which we are going to use in a gangster style car wars of the roaring 20's
(http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc31/Maenoferren/Armouredcar.gif)
This one has a practice turret attached to the roof, it still needs the armour plating on the windows...
The Legend of Skull cove is really handy for native village, dugout canoes a fab skull rock, not to mention jungle type plants, rocks, cliffs and jetties etc. THis is the one that I am using for my pirate game and will be using for my pulp game too.
(http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc31/Maenoferren/Picturesandstuff005.jpg)
This is the skull rock - part of a pirate game we did.
BAsically I have loads and loads of the different sets from worldworks...sometimes I get the set for a particular item....
Hope this helps
Cheers
MAen