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Miniatures Adventure => Future Wars => Topic started by: King Tiger on May 23, 2013, 09:49:51 AM
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Not allot of info yet, but I love star trek, so I'm hopeful and interested.
http://wizkidsgames.com/startrek/star-trek-attack-wing/
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I expected this on the tail of Star Wars...I do think its sales will pale in comparison to the Star Wars version.
However, it's also a really nice option for people who want reasonable pre-paints for other Star Trek games.
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You can probably get the ST Tactics from WK for cheaper if you're looking just for the minis for other games. If you like SW Attack Wing, then you might like this as well.
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I don't know whether the mechanics will suit Trek in the same way that it works for Star Wars XWing.
XWing is much more akin to dogfighting in space so the movement and shooting etc comes across as an acceptable abstraction. I am looking forward to seeing more of the ships and cards as they are spoiled but think Fleet Battles or Commander will probably still be better to capture the nature of Trek style battles.
That isn't to say that this won't be very good. As much as I like Star Trek though I can't help but feel 'why would I buy this when I could just play the same game with the XWing miniatures I already own?' Expensive to double up and get models for both sides again :P
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No interest at all folks sorry. :(
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Move along...
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I bought most of the initial release items of Star Trek: Attack Wing over the weekend. I couldn't find the Enterprise booster, but otherwise I have everything else currently available. I've tried two games so far, but only using the ships from the starter game and the example 40pt load-outs for each ship.
The first game was two player, Klingon vs. Romulan. As we were learning it was quite slow at first. The second game used all three ships, and played much quicker with the rules experience we had gained. The ships are only ok, but I don't really care because I'm interested in the game, not the paint jobs. As a miniature hobbyist bad paint work can be fixed.
With just the starter game, it's decent but not amazing. The ships are bigger and turn slower than their X-Wing counterparts. What that means is that lining up an attack run can take two or three rounds of movement before you're in range and in arc. However, picking crew and equipment for your ship, in addition to your captains is very cool. The missions are highly thematic.
Personally I feel that if you added more ships per player (three each for a two player game, two or three each for three or four player games) it'd be a lot more fun. Trying to maneuver your ship into position to fire without getting caught in a crossfire, sensors vs. sensor echoes, target locks...I think it's all pretty cool.
If you like the faster maneuverability of the ships in X-Wing, or you're not a fan of Trek might make this game a pass. If you want a very good capitol ship combat game that has a LOT of Trek flavour, I would definitely recommend Star Trek: Attack Wing. If you want the Trek flavour with lighter emphasis on the combat, but more options, then get Fleet Captains instead. They're both good games, just with different focus.
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Silly question...do you think the game mechanics would be simple to make House Rules for other genre's of ships? Or is it heavy on very specific Star Trek tech?
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My first thought after playing the game was actually whether or not a person could mix the X-Wing and Star Trek mechanics together to create something like Battlestar Galactical, where you've got capitol ships AND fighters all zipping around. I think it could work, but it'd take some doing. The larger ships would need to be beefed up shield and hull wise at the very least I'd imagine.
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Yeah I was thinking if the system would work well enough for people to use Star Wars models of Star Destroyers etc. in a larger scale battle, alongside (perhaps play them on the same table, but separate - so fighters and capital ships don't interact).
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". I couldn't find the Enterprise booster,"
Personally, I think you were lucky; it's dinkiness is almost appropriate next to the D or D'deridex, but the Reliant is huge in comparison. Hated it.
I think the game could be fast, fun, and give Trekkies proper swoosh. As I'm rapidly entering my second, or third, oh heck, lost count, childhood, that's not a bad thing.
First look, I thought the 'barrel roll becomes cloak' was a bit off, but I've been informed I must go back and read the other aspects of cloaking.
Like I would EVER make a snap judgement... lol
Doug
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I want to fight Enterprise vs. Star Destroyer.
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I found an Enterprise booster yesterday and other than it being way too small I don't really have any complaints about it. Maybe I just have low standards...I don't know. The cards you get with the ship were really what I wanted, and now I've got the entire first wave.
I'm quite looking forward to playing through some of the missions, and I like that each ship booster comes with one. In terms of thematic play, I think that's pretty great because it gives you more types of games to play than just 'kill em all' battles, which I don't find all that appealing in most games.
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I must say, I really did prefer attack wing, not just because I think star trek IS better than star wars (which it obviously is) but the rules themselves just seem to "work" better, can't really explain it to be honest, they just seem tighter, or make more sense.
And yeah ok I do think the enterprise should be a little bigger, or cheaper in price to be fair, but hey ho, I'd love to see a constitution refit, matching scale with the Miranda class.
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I must say, I really did prefer attack wing, not just because I think star trek IS better than star wars (which it obviously is) but the rules themselves just seem to "work" better, can't really explain it to be honest, they just seem tighter, or make more sense.
I actually like both, and apologies to Star Ranger, would never put them in the mash. Different to the point that points made in comparison make to no points with me.
And yeah ok I do think the enterprise should be a little bigger, or cheaper in price to be fair, but hey ho, I'd love to see a constitution refit, matching scale with the Miranda class.
It's not the cost, and the stats are probably fine; it's seeing it on the peg RIGHT NEXT TO THE RELIANT. *seeth*
However, RE: Refit: true, they owe us that much, at least...
Doug
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I've put together a Romulan fleet of 100 points in readiness for a local OP event on Wednesday. It's been a while since I played in any kind of event that I didn't have to organize from the ground up. Should be interesting...and I'm hoping also fun. We shall see.
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And that is precisely why these particular games are so good and popular. As you said, no "prep time". I see X-wing games (and yes, I saw Star Trek this weekend) at conventions. People buy the box from a vendor, walk over to an empty table, open it and start playing. That's a huge part of the attraction. Throw down a piece of black felt and you're done.
I'm still trying to decide between investing heavily in Wings of War (loove me some WW1) or going with X-Wing.
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What?!?!? Deciding between? A REAL wargamer would get both!
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Heh, I like the games...just don't like them THAT much to essentially double the investment. I am tempted to go X-wing since everyone plays it...whereas no one I know plays Wings of Glory.
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I'm still trying to decide between investing heavily in Wings of War (loove me some WW1) or going with X-Wing.
I was in a similar spot, but having seen X-Wing played, and hearing that a decent amount of game material really required two core sets, I opted to wait on it. In the end I'm actually glad that I did, because the Star Trek version came along and I'm much more interested in Trek. I was thinking about it today, and I honestly don't remember looking forward to an organized event this much in a long time!
Probably also has something to do with the fact that I don't have to organize it too... :P
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I am looking forward to getting me some Trekkie loving but alas the Star Trek Attack Wing has not come to us here in New Zealand [well if it has I don't know where]
And knowing my luck it won't be cheap...seems each retailer here needs to add on the labour it took to load the container/air plane, the fuel the ship/plane used, the truck that was used and its fuel to drive it to their store and then even more $$ added just cause the exchange rate was worse now then when they ordered it so they need to cover that as well.
So I guess its Internet buying time... now to find some one who does free shipping world wide for less then $100USD buy in.... dreams are free....
so what ships fly like you thought they would and what feel like concrete blocks with nasells?
Also do we know if the Borg will appear in this game????
can anyone who has this game do a battle report for us poor folks who don't have it yet???
Cheers
LGW
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I was able to play a game on Monday, and will be joining in a month 1 Dominion War event next week. I don't expect to win anything but if the number of players is as low as I suspect, I might still be able to take the fellowship and maybe get a Ferengi ship. Either way, I'll still get to play games and hopefully have some fun.
I'm quite enjoying the game, even though I feel I really should repaint my ships!
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How many ships are played in an average game?
I know when I play X-wing I can play any where from 3 to 7 depending on the style I want to play on the day.
Also will borg be coming to Attack wing??? if So I am over that like a fat kid on cake.
LGW
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How many ships are played in an average game?
I know when I play X-wing I can play any where from 3 to 7 depending on the style I want to play on the day.
Also will borg be coming to Attack wing??? if So I am over that like a fat kid on cake.
LGW
The organized events are supposed to be 100 squadron points. So far I've only played with or against squadrons of three ships. I've heard of players running two or four, but don't know how well that's worked out. Due to the number of crew and upgrades you might take on your ships, it seems perfectly possible to take two fairly loaded ships.
I don't know for sure about Borg in Attack Wing, but I would venture that it's a strong possibility. Fleet Captains and Attack Wing both are sharing the moulds with Star Trek Tactics, and from what I've heard series three of Tactics has several Borg ships in the line up. It might take a while, but I'd say Borg will be playable by end of next year, or at the very least announced as coming up.
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I have a work trip to the States next week and my parents are mailing me my 'goodie box' of toys to the hotel so I can bring it all back with me to Europe!
WOO HOO! Wave 3 Star Trek and my Attack Wing and full set!!!
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I have quite a Large X-wing Set up:
Empire:
7x Tie Fighters
2x Tie Interceptors
2x Tie Bombers
2x Tie Advanced
1x Slave 1
1x Lambada
Rebels:
3x X-wings
1x B-wing
1x A-wing
1x Y-wing
got my HWK290 on order just got the Wave 3 ships the other day and my Star Trek Starter box Is being sent to me end of next week.
As you can my Imperial Force is large as I play it and my kids play the Rebels. With STAW I think the kids will play Federation and I'll play Klingon and Romulian until the Board arrive. They don't want to play "bad guys" only the "good Guys" so more for me again. Don't know if I'll get any of the other races time will tell depends on how the game will go.
I'll add in the other Enterprise ships. [Can you field more then one type of the Enterprise?]
BRING ON THE BORG!!!!!
LGW
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I did notice the prices are quite a bit better - or so it seems? $10 for a ship...where most of the X-wing ones start at $15. Is there a different amount of goodies that come in the Star Trek version?
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here in New Zealand the Starter box set is $50NZD and each expansion is $25NZD.
the X-wing are the same price as well.
LGW
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In my city I've seen the starter go for $39 to $42 and the boosters between $15 and $17.50 CAD. I got all my stuff on launch weekend for $37 and $14/booster because they had a sale. I can't wait for wave 1, and will probably buy two of the Jem Hadar ship to round out my Dominion forces. Or maybe another Breen ship from the first batch. Any thoughts on which?
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I did notice the prices are quite a bit better - or so it seems? $10 for a ship...where most of the X-wing ones start at $15. Is there a different amount of goodies that come in the Star Trek version?
Where are you seeing it for $10 (assuming USD)? We're selling them for $15; haven't seen them for less, but assume someone will online somewhere.
I've been holding back buying for myself as the store, while not running out, seems to be moving them well.
Doug
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Miniature Market (so, yes, online). $10.50 per ship. Most of the X-Wings are also discounted to about $10 (including some of the wave three stuff).
http://www.miniaturemarket.com/table-top-miniatures/star-trek-attack-wing.html
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I got all of mine for 9.99 at Coolminis Inc.:)
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That's amazingly low, compared to regular retail.
I had a chance to play another game on Thursday with a friend who runs one of the local shops. He's never played X-Wing or Attack Wing so he was completely inexperienced. I gave him my slightly refined Federation squad and played Dominion/Klingons against it.
I made a maneuvering mistake a few turns in that cost me a target lock and chance to fire on the Enterprise D, which very likely would have been a crippling shot. After that I was able to take out Riker on a constitution starship, but then made another poor maneuvering mistake which cost me the chance to use my Breen energy dissipators on the Enterprise D. Boom when my second ship and I admitted defeat. We could certainly have played a few more rounds as my Klingon ship had suffered no damage, but the shop was near closing time. The game was just for fun, which I had. My opponent had fun and won, so all went well enough.
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Had a look at Miniature Market for the Star Trek starter box it worked out to be $65NZD to get it to me.
And Coolmini Inc did not have any Star Trek Attack Wing on their site.. So it seems my local Retailer is the better option for me. As international postage kills it.
LGW
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'CoolstuffInc'... :)
http://www.coolstuffinc.com/p/187041
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'CoolstuffInc'... :)
http://www.coolstuffinc.com/p/187041
With postage added in that would be around $75NZD so not a good deal for me.
LGW
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YOu may want to double check if they discount when you buy $100.00 or so, and if you're going to pay postage, it may work to your favor. I do know domestically that they are either free at $100.00, or REALLY expensive if you have to pay from ordering less than $100.00.
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yeah that is my problem if I buy small then I pay HUGE amount of P&P but if I go spend big I "might" get it cheaper or even free.
at the moment Wayland games is offering free shipping from the U.K worldwide if you spend $75GBP in store it might be an option but I need to find some local lads willing to help spend $160NZD... which is not a small amount for some of us.. with tough bank managers [aka the Wife]
Will investigate that option.
LGW
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Had a great few games today using the DS9 counter, flew feds and later romulans, all for the dominion war campaign, got a free campaign die, DS9 counter and cards, and brought my first ship, a Miranda class.
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The local event here is on the 13th. Looking forward to it!
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I caught a nasty cold over the weekend and was stuck at home, so I missed out on my local month 1 event. :(
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I've been playing the game quite a bit, both in an organized play setting and just for fun. So far I've written a few blog posts about the game, most recent of which was today.
http://obsidian3d.blogspot.ca/search/label/Star%20Trek%3A%20Attack%20Wing
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As long as it's NOT the special itself! No one is THAT cruel, not even the Emperor himself! :o
Doug
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Another tournament in the bag. I played Klingons again in month 3. http://obsidian3d.blogspot.ca/2013/11/star-trek-attack-wing-dominion-war.html
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Very cool....
Any news on if/when the Borg will be showing up in Star Trek: Attack Wing?
LGW
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Very cool....
Any news on if/when the Borg will be showing up in Star Trek: Attack Wing?
LGW
Yup the Borg get their first ship (Sphere) along with USS Vyager, Kazon and Species 118118gotyournumber in April
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Sweet Mercy My wallet shell have some rest until then...
Will buy the starter box, Borg Sphere, and Species 118118...
now were cooking with gas....
All I want is some Borg ships and a crap load of Fed ships to re-do Battle at Wolf 359.
LGW
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(http://cf.geekdo-images.com/images/pic1827735.png)
And here's the pics
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I am pretty disappointed that the Romulans aren't getting a mid-size ship before they switch away to Borg releases. As-is, they are sorely lacking in that regard.
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ok I need to get the following:
U.S.S Voyager <---- for my Wife finger's crossed she might even play. if not I'll have to get two one for to have and one for me to play.]
U.S.S Defiant
U.S.S Excelsior
I.K.S Kronos One
I.K.S Koraga
Borg Sphere 4270 <---- for ME!!!!
Bioship Alpha
I was going to get the Romulans but the range is sort of MEH!!!!.
I can hold out till April and then do one decent order. [or crumble and order the Starter set and practice playing the game] thx for spreading the addiction.
LGW
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I am pretty disappointed that the Romulans aren't getting a mid-size ship before they switch away to Borg releases. As-is, they are sorely lacking in that regard.
But a romulan bird of prey is basically a light cruiser, so that's mid sized, so you have 3 technically, plus you could just use a D7 and add plasma torps to it.
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I forgot that the Gal Gath'Thong is a Romulan ship. Hopefully it will round out the fleet a little bit. If I can pick up the month 3 prize ship to have a second named D'Deridex that will go a long way too. Hopefully the event tonight will turn out better for me than the last one.
As to using a D7 with my Romulan fleet, it's personally not an option as I play fleet pure as much as possible unless a scenario calls for it. I realize it's a self-imposed restriction others may not care for, but it's how I enjoy playing the game.
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I did net myself the OP 3 Romulan ship the other day. I like that it's got slightly different upgrade slots than the starter D'deridex, but most of the other cards are so-so. I haven't had much of a chance to see what kind of list I could put together with the two D'deridex ships as the core of a fleet.
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I can certainly understand the restriction, but I'm sure wizkids will release the Romulan KR cruiser eventually, and knowing them will just be a white D7 model anyway :P
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With wave 2's release I think there are two dozen ships available (if you include the first four prize ships). That is a lot of variety available, whether one plays faction pure or mix-n-match. I've still got stuff from wave 1 I haven't tried out yet!
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I think I'll be pure faction...
Federation, Klingon and Borg.
really looking forward to April.
LGW
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I got on this train at Horisont V couple of weekends ago. I think that the way the game engine is used in this reincarnation really gives a lot of tactical depth to games, and simulates ship vs ship in the ST universe quite well.
Going to teach my 10 and 7 years old daughters this, too (they are already hooked on W-Wing) :)
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I think I'll be pure faction...
Federation, Klingon and Borg.
really looking forward to April.
LGW
I'd say the Klingons are the easiest faction to start out with. They hit hard and don't require the use of a lot of crew or upgrades. Being able to minimize the amount of stuff you need to remember helps when learning. The Federation has a lot of choices for upgrades but their ships aren't as strong or maneuverable. That means you're making up the difference with the upgrades, and thus adding complexity to your game. I do think playing the Feds well is a more rewarding experience in the long run.
I'm very interested to see what the Borg are going to be like. I'm thinking low shields but high hull and attack, likely with ship/crew/tech abilities that help them regenerate. Cloaking and secondary weapon options will probably be minimal. I foresee tractor beams to lock down opposing ships and abilities that let you steal (assimilate) enemy crew members and use them for yourself. Should be fun!
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Just out of interest, are they correctly scaled?
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I think also the "other" ships would get new "borg" defensive cards... osculating phasers, ablative armour etc...
I want some Borg Cubes... and then do the Borg Vs Species 8472 now that will be fun.
LGW
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Just out of interest, are they correctly scaled?
No :/
The TOS Enterprise is quite small compared to the Enterprise-D, and the forthcoming Borg Cube is supposed to be a big ship (like the Millenium Falcon from X-Wing, maybe?), but otherwise most ships are roughly similar in size. Not that that stops me from enjoying the game, although it's odd to say the least that they only made an attempt at scaling the Enterprise, which therefore ends up being really small next to everything else.
I want some Borg Cubes... and then do the Borg Vs Species 8472 now that will be fun.
Supposedly a Borg cube is due out with wave 5, so some time after April, although I can't say I'm sure when. I think it's going to be the first big ship for this game, though.
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Dam Skippy I'll be getting one of those Cubes....
giggity giggity giggity giggity goo....
LGW
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ok I crumbled and for my birthday I bought the Star Trek Attack wing starter box.
Fingers crossed I'll get a game with the kids some time this week.
LGW
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I am pretty disappointed that the Romulans aren't getting a mid-size ship before they switch away to Borg releases. As-is, they are sorely lacking in that regard.
In the cannon, i am not sure the Romulans had a mid sized ship. I bout some non-cannon Griffins vis SCN in resin for my (non Attack-Wing) games.
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ok I crumbled and for my birthday I bought the Star Trek Attack wing starter box.
Fingers crossed I'll get a game with the kids some time this week.
LGW
Nice! You can play some decent 3-way battles with the starter contents, all three ships are solid, and embody the strengths and weaknesses of their respective faction. Hope you guys have a blast with it.
I've since built up my Federation fleet a bit, but I'm kind of considering grabbing a second starter to double up on those ships (although I won't need/be able to use duplicates of a lot of the cards :? ). A second D'Deridex and Vor'Cha would be nice, though, and I might field two Galaxy-class ships from time to time, or in large battles. Plus I've needed extra dice on at least one occasion in every game I've played so far.
I wonder if the other starter contents could be sold/would be worth selling, to someone who wanted the rules but was not interested in collecting the starter ships...
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After muching debating the merits of each ship we decided That my Daughter [7] will be the Federation, my Son [5] will be Klingon and I'll be the Romulans.
I'll be giving the rules a good read over today. Need to get my head around how cloaking works, Echo, disabling shields.
If I disable a card [eg like torpedos] do they come back or are they discarded like how it works in X-wing?
Not sure how the ships get destroyed in this game when at the end of the turn you get them back.
unless I've missed something important... will know better once I've gone over the rules.
I promised the kids they can choose an expansion pack each in the new year.
LGW
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If I disable a card [eg like torpedos] do they come back or are they discarded like how it works in X-wing?
Not sure how the ships get destroyed in this game when at the end of the turn you get them back.
If you disable a card then you cannot use that card again until you spend an action to remove the disable marker
I presume you meant "shields"? Shields are destroyed when hit and gone for the game UNLESS you have a card allowing replenishing. Shields can be flipped to their red side for cloaking/transporters etc but flip back to blue at turn end. Very important to note this difference
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ahhh that makes loads of sense.
I wish there were more upgrade cards in the packs.
Only issue I am going to have is that I won't be buying all of the expansion packs so will miss out on a lot of upgrade cards. or are the cards with each expansion really suited for the ship they come with?
LGW
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Upgrade cards are usually thematically tied to the ship with which they're packaged, and will definitely work with that ship, but only a very small few are actually exclusive to or only useful on that particular ship.
Some upgrade cards include an extra point cost to be played on a ship other than the one with which they're packaged. For example, the Federation's cloaking device costs an additional 5 points for any ship that's not the USS Defiant.
I think each ship comes with 9 or 10 cards, though, including captains, crew, weapons, and tech.
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I am getting into the Star Trek game a lot.
We had three games today
felt sorry for the lad the first game we had his Klingon ship suffered 2 critical hits and one normal both crit hits caused an additional damage which went through as he was cloaked [he had rolled really badly on his defence rolls]
I didn't even use my upgrades just to help him... then when my daughter played with us she rolled 3 blanks on defence followed by me rolling 5 BLANKS!!!!!! on attack....OMG!!!!
it was embarrassing. The other game was a close call son had me down to 1 hull point but again I was lucky with my roll and got him first [Romulans Vs Klingons]
Really looking forward to playing more games hoping to have a game on Saturday against my Brother in law.
whats a good ship to get for the Federation, Romulans and Klingons.
I promised the kids a ship each and one for me.
Cheers
LGW
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Of the ships released so far the best Romulan ship is the Valdore - no argument whatsoever.
For the Klingons it'd be the Negh'var, there is a sculpting error with the bridge of the D7 and K'tinga models but the bird of prey has just been released too
For the Federation it's tougher. The Constitution is a teeny-tiny model so I'd suggest Defiant then Reliant. Or just get the just-released Excelsior if it's in your nearest shop
Also the dominion are getting some really nice ships now..... ;)
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The Romulan Valore was at the top of my List
Will get my Daughter the Defiant as she thinks it looks cute. [Girls think everything is cute]
My son wants the Bird of Prey but I think any ship will be awesome for him [he's only 5]
he even tries to speak like a Klingon when he attacks my ship.
Its a fun game and one I think will be played far more then X-Wing... which I may have to thin down and replace with Star Trek [Shock horror... many Star Wars fans just ground their collective teeth at that comment]
LGW
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Doubt anyone cares... I've been collating scaled ships to colour, stat and print off for games of Full Thrust. For the most part I just enjoy spending the odd 'hobby' hour designing ship stats, partially from canon sources and partially what I want the ships to do game-wise.
Hoping to drag my poor son into a bit of gaming with his old man at the end of the day, but I'm enjoying collating all the ships and stats too much so far to do any gaming :D
Anyway, got a load of ship pics and data from here, pretty useful and fun for geeks/nerds etc:
http://home.comcast.net/~ststcsolda/index.html (http://home.comcast.net/~ststcsolda/index.html)
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The TOS Enterprise is quite small compared to the Enterprise-D, and the forthcoming Borg Cube is supposed to be a big ship (like the Millenium Falcon from X-Wing, maybe?), but otherwise most ships are roughly similar in size. Not that that stops me from enjoying the game, although it's odd to say the least that they only made an attempt at scaling the Enterprise, which therefore ends up being really small next to everything else.
The non existent scale prevents me from really diving into this game.
I like the X-Wing rules, and what I saw from ST:Attack Wing it is a good transition to the Trek universe.
BTW - Are the rules somewhere to download as the X-Wing rules?
Edit: Found them: http://wizkidsgames.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/STAW_Rules_WEB_11sep13.pdf (http://wizkidsgames.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/STAW_Rules_WEB_11sep13.pdf)
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Don't let the scale stop you from playing the game. It's such a minor quibble once you start playing that it doesn't matter. It's not as if the movement is really in any kind of scale either. I tend to think of the ships as markers on a viewer map. As a commander of a fleet directing battle all of my ships should represented as dots the same size. I don't want to squint around trying to find the minuscule dot for the Defiant just so I can issue it an order.
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Yeah, I would second that the Valdore would be my top pick for a second Romulan ship, followed by the Praetus if you're not bothered by mixing eras, or the Apnex if you want to stay in TNG/DS9 era.
For Klingons, really either the Neg'Var or the Koraga (the Bird of Prey) look great, but I don't have much experience with either. Thematically, I would say that the one drawback to the Bird of Prey is that it's mostly captained/crewed by Klingons that have strong ties to the Federation, so it might be a bit odd with Worf at the helm trying to blow up the Defiant lol
For Federation, I personally lean towards the Defiant, but the TOS Enterprise has some great crew upgrades. The Excelsior seems cool, haven't had a chance to try it out yet, though.
I haven't even really looked at the Dominion, yet, but after getting whipped by the new Cardassian ship I'm a little more interested in the viability of a Dominion fleet.
Re: scale, yeah, it's a bummer. I'm not personally too invested in worrying about scale, and they would have trouble representing some of the ships if they did worry about it (Defiant and Jem'Hadar attack ships would be tiny!), but I did see these over on BoardGameGeek:
1/5000 Defiant (http://boardgamegeek.com/image/1824953/star-trek-attack-wing)
1/5000 Bird of Prey (http://boardgamegeek.com/image/1824952/star-trek-attack-wing)
1/7000 Reliant (http://boardgamegeek.com/image/1824954/star-trek-attack-wing)
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Don't let the scale stop you from playing the game. It's such a minor quibble once you start playing that it doesn't matter. It's not as if the movement is really in any kind of scale either. I tend to think of the ships as markers on a viewer map. As a commander of a fleet directing battle all of my ships should represented as dots the same size. I don't want to squint around trying to find the minuscule dot for the Defiant just so I can issue it an order.
All valid points!
Indeed no tabletop space game could use any real scale.
But seeing a Defiant as big as a Romualn Deridex on the same table is still somhow disturbing vor me...
I would have like at least 3 different sizes in this game: Huge (Borg cube), Normal (1701-D / E), Small (BoP, Defiant, Jem Hadar).
Maybe I pick a smaller scale, like 1/7000 and try to get some via Shapeways...
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I tend to think of the ships as markers on a viewer map.
Might as well use carboard counters then and save yourself an arm and a leg.. ::)
I dunno though, I've got mixtures of star destroyers, defiants and even fighter groups in my collection so far. Printed off they work fine 'scaled' together. Just that fighter markers have an outlined image of a fighter increased in size so you can see what the damned thing is!
I guess i'm just saying I'd buy into it if it was scaled, I suppose to me it just matters. As for models I have my Micromachine Miranda Class, Galaxy Class and DS9. (No, they ain't scaled! :D)
Daft I know...
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I picked up a 9-pack set of MicroMachines Star Trek ships at a local game shop last weekend (for only $20!). The Excelsior, Reliant, Vor'cha, Romulan D'deridex are almost all identical in size to the Wizkids models. The 1701 Enterprise is much bigger (ok WAY bigger) than the Wizkids one. It's so large in fact that it's way too big. I'll likely convert these to use the flightpath pegs so that I can use the others as generics. I do quite like having my named Federation ships with their registry numbers, and might consider trying to find a Defiant and Enterprise D from SW Tactics or something so that they match.
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Only real problem I had was the tiny 1701; even the relatively small Reliant dwarfs it.
I like a little indication of relative sizes, but through most of my vacchead gaming, definitely holographic rep, with a point at the top of the pole being the REAL ship, or even base.
Doug
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All valid points!
Indeed no tabletop space game could use any real scale.
But seeing a Defiant as big as a Romualn Deridex on the same table is still somhow disturbing vor me...
I would have like at least 3 different sizes in this game: Huge (Borg cube), Normal (1701-D / E), Small (BoP, Defiant, Jem Hadar).
Maybe I pick a smaller scale, like 1/7000 and try to get some via Shapeways...
That works for me.
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I am about ready to add in some more ships to our Star Trek collection.
So far we have just the starter but the kids each want a new ship.
Daughter: Federation
Son: Klingon
Me: Romulan
I am very tempted for the Valdore but is there any other ship that is worth getting?
as for Fed's/Klingon's anyone got any ideas?
Also what expansion pack do I need to get so I can get the Tribble card>
LGW
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Valdore is good, Enterprise gives you Tribbles and the Excelsior looks pretty sweet.
Anything Klingon seems pretty deadly....
Happy Xmas!
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I take it that your meaning the Captain Kirk Enterprise?
yeah the Son is lucky any Klingon will be great. I think he has his heart set on the Bird of Prey. not sure when that is to be released but will have to get him one.
I'll try and do some goggling to see what a good mix will be,.
LGW
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Valdore is good, Enterprise gives you Tribbles and the Excelsior looks pretty sweet.
No that's incorrect - the Tribbles come with the Klingon D7 IKS G'roth
I think he has his heart set on the Bird of Prey. not sure when that is to be released but will have to get him one. LGW
The December release for the Klingons is the IKS Koraga - K'vort class bird of prey. It has been delayed this side of the atlantic though, but we should see it in early January
For the Romulans you must get the Valdore, not only for the ship but the only co-operative mission: Destroy the Scimitar
After that I'd say the Praetus then the Apnex. The Vo is a poor ship, there won't be another decent Romulan until the bird of prey in February
For the Klingons - Negh'Var, Koraga then either G'Roth or Kronos One
For the Federation - Defiant or Kirk's Enterprise, then Excelsior and Reliant
Only the Romulans have duff ships so far sadly
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Only the Romulans have duff ships so far sadly
??? duff ships?
LGW
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Sorry, using some very British expressions! It means crap
The Vo is very poor, the Apnex is ok and the Praetus is only ok
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ok thx I get it now.
So with regards to the "tribble tactics" could I use them with my Romulans?
and do I have to pay more for it?
I have the D'deridex so far for my Romulans the Voldare is on my order list.
just need to sort out a ship each for the kids.
Just watched the "tribble" episode it was entertaining and I certainly would love the "fun" aspect of teleporting tribbles to my kid's ships.
LGW
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Yes Tribbles are "Independent" so you'd pay the +1 faction penalty for using them with Romulans. They're tricky to use, requiring dropped shields, but can hamper Klingons quite a bit
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Sorry, using some very British expressions! It means crap
The Vo is very poor, the Apnex is ok and the Praetus is only ok
How so?, if your playing a scenario which requires a science vessel....surely you people play scenarios right?........right?.........oh.
Advice to fed players though, avoid using all TNG era ships, get them for the cards, but never waste points using them, those 90 degree fire arcs are deathtraps
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The science ship has some use hence ok, but the consensus so far is the scout ship is rubbish
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I went over to see my mum today and popped into the local gaming store and saw they had a I.K.S G'orth on the shelf and it had 20% off so I folded and bought it so I could try out the Tribble trick.
also placed an order for the Valdore and U.S.S Defiant as well.
Might have a go with the tribbles tomorrow. but I must admit got to love the Klingins from the Original series and their lack of Ridge brows [my wife was stunned that Klingins looked like humans]
NB: note how I spelt the Klingons as Klingins thats how they were pronounced in the T.V series well at least in the Tribbles are trouble episode.
LGW
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Advice to fed players though, avoid using all TNG era ships, get them for the cards, but never waste points using them, those 90 degree fire arcs are deathtraps
That's funny, I almost feel the opposite about Federation ships. I quite like the Enterprise-D for its 360 degree firing arc, and the Defiant for its maneuverability (although the Defiant is quite fragile). Conversely, the TOS Enterprise is OK but the lack of rear firing arc makes it low man on the totem pole for me, since it can't make the most if torpedoes the way other Fed ships can. The crew for the TOS Enterprise are spectacular, though, and perform really, really well on TNG ships. I count the Excelsior and Reliant in both TOS and TNG, though, since ships of both classes were in service in both eras.
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Are there any romluan ships with rear firing arcs? I have torpedos that allow it not sure which ships can do it.
How do I get some of the LE ships? Considering no one here has or will organise events/tournaments.
Any more rumours regarding the Borg?
I hope we get Borg raiding parties. And they can then take over enemy ships be a great excuse to convert up and repaint some Fed/Klingon ships as Borg controlled ships.
My only interest for me are Romulans, Borg, and Species 8472. The kids are Federation and Klingon. Will pass on the Dominian and Ferengi and if they do the Kazon that will be also be on the pass list.
What other factions are out there?
LGW
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Are there any romluan ships with rear firing arcs? I have torpedos that allow it not sure which ships can do it.
I don't think so, but I only have the starter D'Deridex and the science vessel. It's just that, within the set of existing Federation ships, most have a rear firing arc, which is why the absence of one on the Enterprise knocks it down a notch for me. In comparison to other ships of its faction, that's an area in which it's lacking. Most other factions lack both the 180 degree firing arcs and the rear firing arcs, though, so it's more of a benefit if they do have the rear firing arc, than a downside if they don't.
How do I get some of the LE ships? Considering no one here has or will organise events/tournaments.
Honestly? If no one in your area is organizing actual events, I would just get some of the Heroclix Tactics ships cheap on eBay, re-mount them on Attack Wing stands, and then print out your own cards for them. The LE's go for silly amounts of money on eBay, and are maybe even harder to get your hands on in Australia, and there's really no reason to have the official versions of them if you don't play in organized events anyways.
I'm not sure where you can find images of the cards, but you can find most of text and stats on HCRealms.com, here (http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showthread.php?t=479002). HCRealms and Board Game Geek tend to be very up-to-date on STAW info.
Any more rumours regarding the Borg?
Not that I've heard, other than that there are going to be 5 ships (or at least 5 sculpts): The tactical cube, the sphere, a scout cube, a Soong assimilator, and a diamond.
I hope we get Borg raiding parties. And they can then take over enemy ships be a great excuse to convert up and repaint some Fed/Klingon ships as Borg controlled ships.
That would be really cool, although very powerful. Maybe a ship that had no shields, and was down to only 1 or 2 hull? WK made some partially assimilated Federation and Klingon ships for the Heroclix game, so it would be easy to port those sculpts over to Attack Wing.
My only interest for me are Romulans, Borg, and Species 8472. The kids are Federation and Klingon. Will pass on the Dominian and Ferengi and if they do the Kazon that will be also be on the pass list.
Kazon will be in the game, although so far from the looks of it they're just getting the one Nistrim raider.
What other factions are out there?
It looks like it's pretty much just everything you listed, plus Bajorans (they're getting a couple of raiders), Ferengi (just the one LE ship), and Independents. The rulebook lists the mirror universe, but we haven't seen any hints at them in the game yet. There are also two Vulcan ships coming out, but since Vulcans aren't listed as a faction in the rulebook I have to imagine they'll either be Independent or Federation.
Oh, they're also doing two "episode" organized play events, to fill the months between the end of the Dominion War and the beginning of the Borg invasion. One is "The Arena", and the prize is a Gorn ship, and the other is "The Tholian Web" and, naturally, comes with a Tholian ship. I think you can find images of those two on Wizkids' facebook page, maybe?
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Nope, there are exactly ZERO Romulan ships with rear fire arcs, even though the various torps can be fired through those non-existent arcs :'(
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Nope, there are exactly ZERO Romulan ships with rear fire arcs, even though the various torps can be fired through those non-existent arcs :'(
lol lol lol
typical. oh well... you win some you loose some then you blow up...
LGW
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Though it looks like we may finally get a Romulan rear-fire and heavy hitter!
http://www.universaldist.com/pre-orders.aspx?Command=Schedule (http://www.universaldist.com/pre-orders.aspx?Command=Schedule)
Scroll to the very bottom of the page, they're doing the Scimitar!
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Though it looks like we may finally get a Romulan rear-fire and heavy hitter!
http://www.universaldist.com/pre-orders.aspx?Command=Schedule (http://www.universaldist.com/pre-orders.aspx?Command=Schedule)
Scroll to the very bottom of the page, they're doing the Scimitar!
Nice also saw the Borg ships whoop whoop so much to look forward to.
LGW
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Nice also saw the Borg ships whoop whoop so much to look forward to.
LGW
The Borg should provide for great scenarios. I'm intrigued!
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http://wizkidsgames.com/blog/2014/01/02/star-trek-attack-wing-wave-3-4th-division-battleship/ (http://wizkidsgames.com/blog/2014/01/02/star-trek-attack-wing-wave-3-4th-division-battleship/)
This thing is a beast! :o
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That guy is pretty nasty looking. I guess without any chance of evading, it's going to be vulnerable to concentrated fire from opponents, but 6 attack dice is nothing to sneeze at, so anyone gunning for it will probably take a beating in the process.
The other wave 3 ships were also reviewed by The Dice Tower. You can see a rundown of them here (http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showthread.php?t=493057).
I'm pretty much only in it for TNG/DS9/Voyager, not earlier era stuff, so not a lot of it appeals to me, but the Equinox looks pretty cool.
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Can't tell from how you phrased that but do you know equinox is from Voyager?
http://www.universaldist.com/images/document/STAW%20Wave%209%20Quick%20Solicit.pdf (http://www.universaldist.com/images/document/STAW%20Wave%209%20Quick%20Solicit.pdf)
Posting this in case anyone here hasn't seen it. Pics of the (wings-up) Bird of Prey and Scimitar!
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Yeah that was ambiguous phrasing, huh? What I meant to say was that, since I'm mostly into TNG/DS9/VOY, Equinox is the one that I am primarily interested in. I like the Battleship, too, but don't have any other Jem'Hadar ships yet. A some point, though...
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I quite like the Jem'Hadar attack ship, nifty & nimble little beast
Still waiting for Wave 2 to show up over here, haven't any of those yet
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Oh, the Wave 2 ships are a lot if fun! I don't have the Cardassian ship, yet, but it's a serious boost for Dominion fleets, and the Excelsior is a great mid-range Federation ship. Haven't played with the Klingon Bird of Prey, yet, but I really like the synergy of the crew upgrades on that one.
Something to look forward to!
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Got 2 Excelsiors today, happy to replace the useless galaxy with them
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Got my Wave 2s today.
Excelsior is pretty decent, Federation needed a ship like that.
Keldon class is a beast!
Bird of prey is great but not how I felt a small attack ship should be - as much hull as Excelsior!? Why no agility 2 Klingon ships?
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Won the Sutherland using 2 excelsiors on Sunday, it IS the ship feds needed
My fleet was
Picard with Feint
USS Excelsior with positron beam and Quantom torpedoes
Dmitri Valtane
Janice Rand
Miles O'Brien
Sisko with Feint
Excelsior class with positron and photons
Chekov
Kyle
Elite die
Admiral strike force
Admiral united force
Opposed fleets were
2 kraxon fleet, with Dukat, cloaks, admirals orders and other bits
3 Deridex with a 7, 6 and I think 5 captain, no upgrades, generic ships
1 neghvar and 2 BoP fleet, with 9, 7, 6 captains, one was Martok
Lost 1 ship to kraxon fleet.
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Nicely done! Your fleet looks good, but I'd be pretty worried facing down 3 D'Deridex. They're so dodgy, and can really soak up a lot of damage.
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But as a Romulan player I can tell you they don't hit hard enough with only 3 attack. They need upgrades. I'd rather 3 bare Valdores than D'deridex
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Well the central Deridex was hit for 7 damage turn 2, so I don't think valdores would make a difference, the one furthest from the planet and closest to me had no arc on turn 3 and was killed, the other was hit by the orbital platforms while cloaked, poor die rolls and 2 direct hit cards ended her.
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Bit of a teaser!
https://twitter.com/wizkidsgames/status/428994831797338112/photo/1
That thing looks like an absolute beast! Some new symbols in the action and upgrade bars, so it will be cool to see what the Borg do.
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Bit of a teaser!
https://twitter.com/wizkidsgames/status/428994831797338112/photo/1
That thing looks like an absolute beast! Some new symbols in the action and upgrade bars, so it will be cool to see what the Borg do.
I will be buying 2 of those when they come out... very nice.
LGW
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I was hoping they would make the Borg hard, glad to see they have, though they will probably have low skill captains, the Borg aren't really the fastest or most tactical race, they just steamroller
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Yeah, I'm hoping that they get relatively few true captains (queen, Locutus, I'm hard-pressed to think of any others), but that most ships come with at least one, preferably two, captain cards that are just named "The Collective," and would function just like a captain. They could have a 0-point, skill 1 "Collective" and maybe a 2-point, skill 4 "Collective" or something like that.
That way, players get some degree of customization when building a Borg force, but without losing the "faceless horde" feeling of the Borg from the show. Similarly, all of their crew upgrades could just be named "Drone," even if they have some slightly different abilities.
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Here's a photo of the DS9 model from Toyfair:
(https://fbcdn-photos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/t1/1743467_10152079605709079_315053173_n.jpg)
Shame it's the prize for the culmination of the tournament series, I've got no hope of winning one, but it looks awfully cool! Oh well, the cardboard token will have to do, for now. Maybe they'll sell it somehwere down the line, although there are other models of the station that could fill in, in a pinch, and I could just set one of those atop the token.
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Wow :o
I finally managed to meet up with some fellow gamers today and got my mitts on the command tokens and reinforcement sideboard
Hoping that we can finally get some Attack Wing going here and maybe some prizes
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I've been playing since the start of the game, and running tournaments at one local shop since month 3. Points wise I think I could win a station with a good performance in month 6, but as nice looking as that model is, I'm not really interested in it. I'd rather one of my players win it and be super happy with it.
It would make a very nice display piece however...
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I'd love to be able to put that on the table when trying to win over new convertites lol
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From HCRealms (from Boardgame Geek, from a podcast interview):
The Borg, they move, differently than any other faction. They have a very different way of moving. They only move in the four different directions that are on the X or Y axis. They do not move diagonally. They do not make banks or turns. They do what is called the spin maneuver if they're going to turn to the side that you actually spin the base and then move to that side. They move forward or backward
They'll also have a 360o firing arc. Kind of an interesting idea, not sure I like it though. It doesn't necessarily seem to add much, flavor-wise, but it will make Borg ships a logistical pain in the tocus to navigate with. I guess with a 360o firing arc it doesn't matter, much, though, since they essentially don't have to worry about lining up shots.
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I've been playing since the start of the game, and running tournaments at one local shop since month 3. Points wise I think I could win a station with a good performance in month 6, but as nice looking as that model is, I'm not really interested in it. I'd rather one of my players win it and be super happy with it.
It would make a very nice display piece however...
Do you or anyone have suggestions for a mass participation game? Duels are kewl enough, but at some events, I'd think it'd be nice to have drop-ins for however short a period, and the game can be picked up, to at least start, quick enough.
Doug
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Well, if you had a large enough playing space, and enough ships, you could get a pretty big battle going. Federation/Klingon alliance vs. Dominion seems like a pretty solid choice, and you could essentially have players take control of a ship and play it for a little while. The next player to drop in could pick up wherever they left off, or if a ship gets too badly damaged or destroyed you could redeploy it as a reinforcement. That way, you can keep the battle going pretty much as long as you want.
If things start getting really muddled, and ships are everywhere, just reset the battle and start fresh.
I would recommend the colored bases, if you can get a hold of them, for a large game, so that keeping track of factions is easy.
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From HCRealms (from Boardgame Geek, from a podcast interview):
They'll also have a 360o firing arc. Kind of an interesting idea, not sure I like it though. It doesn't necessarily seem to add much, flavor-wise, but it will make Borg ships a logistical pain in the tocus to navigate with. I guess with a 360o firing arc it doesn't matter, much, though, since they essentially don't have to worry about lining up shots.
That's in this weeks Jadedgamer cast
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Resistance is Futile
http://www.startrek.com/article/borg-sphere-expansion (http://www.startrek.com/article/borg-sphere-expansion)
The Borg and Species 8472 both look very dangerous
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That's funny, I was just headed over here to post that! I really like the look of the Borg Sphere, not as sure on Species 8472 though. I feel like they attack and evade are on target, but they seemed like lighter ships to me, so I would have scaled back their hull and shields values a bit. That also would have left room for more of them in a fleet, so you could make better use of the "Energy Focusing Ship" attack.
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Not having watched much Voyager, I'm not terribly interested in the Kazon or Species 8472 ships. I'll likely end up with one of each anyway though, since I'm collecting. The Borg ships however...sign me up! :D
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Info page for "The Collective" storyline OP series is up:
link (http://wizkidsgames.com/thecollective/)
I'm wishy-washy. I don't like the introduction of blind buys as tournament entry, but if most of the ships are ones I'm interested in I'll begrudgingly go along.
I don't like that the Federation is so over-represented among the prize ships, and am especially peeved that the Stargazer is one of them (if I'm not lucky enough to get one in a game, I'll just mod one, but still...).
On the flip side, the participation prizes look pretty cool, and may be enough to keep me involved in the OP games.
I really enjoy playing this game, but WK seems to be doing everything they can with their business model to kill my enthusiasm for it :?
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Grand Prize: (2) Assimilation Target Prime/Galaxy Class (Federation/Borg)
dam I am going to have to see if one of the game stores can get into this I would be keen to have ago
time to email store...
LGW
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Previews for the next three ships are up at startrek.com:
Borg Tactical Cube (http://www.startrek.com/article/first-look-borg-tactical-cube-138)
Bajoran Interceptor (http://www.startrek.com/article/first-look-bajoran-interceptor-5-expansion-pack)
Vulcan D'Kyr (http://www.startrek.com/article/first-look-attack-wing-5-dkyr-expansion-pack)
All three look pretty solid, really. I like the Bajoran interceptor a lot! Too bad Bajorans were just about my least favorite faction from the shows. Also shame they didn't have these guys out in time for the Dominion War events.
I like that the cube's stats aren't too much above and beyond thise of the sphere, because with everything it's got going for it already, it should be plenty nasty on the table.
The Vulcan ships looks nice, although I really have no interest in any of the Enterpirse stuff.
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Well, it's a long ways off, but apparently a Tholian ship (as well as another Romulan D'Deridex and a new Kazon ship) are slated for a Feb 2015 release. Whether it will be the same Tholian ship as the prize or not? I'm not sure, but either way, that gives some hope to those withou OP events for other LE ships like the Ferengi, Gorn, etc.!
link (http://www.milsims.com.au/search/node/Star%20Trek%20attack%20wing)
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It will probably be the same mold but with different cards.
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I would guess so, as well, because then WK could sell more of them.