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Miniatures Adventure => The Second World War => Topic started by: twrchtrwyth on April 29, 2008, 12:10:07 AM

Title: Unusual German Small Arms and Infantry Weapons of World War
Post by: twrchtrwyth on April 29, 2008, 12:10:07 AM
Can't remember where I found this now, thought it may be of interest. My favorites are the buckle pistol, one shot flame thrower, chocolate bar grenade and the anti-tank donkey! :lol:
http://www.greyfalcon.us/Weapons.htm
Title: Unusual German Small Arms and Infantry Weapons of World War
Post by: revford on April 29, 2008, 12:26:02 AM
The Donkey is a classic, there is just something so bizarre about heavily armed animals.

The Soviet anti-tank mine dog springs to mind as another example.
Title: Unusual German Small Arms and Infantry Weapons of World War
Post by: Helen on April 29, 2008, 03:42:27 AM
Thanks for the link.  8)

Very interesting designs judging from the photos the Germans came up with.
Title: Re: Unusual German Small Arms and Infantry Weapons of World
Post by: assi on April 29, 2008, 06:02:20 AM
Quote from: "twrchtrwyth"
one shot flame thrower


The Bundeswehr still equips one shot "flame cartridges" which are , naturally, way smaller than the bulky thing from these days.  

(http://www.gebirgsjager.de/Bilder/ausruest/waffen/handflamm.jpg)
Title: Unusual German Small Arms and Infantry Weapons of World War
Post by: PeteMurray on April 29, 2008, 12:06:08 PM
I'm struck by two things - half of those weapons are complex SMG/assault rifle/LMG types, full of complicated machined parts. Inevitably they are quoted as being intended for the politically-connected units, the ones with the repeated letter. The other half of them look like you could make them from plumber's fittings and a sheet-steel stamping machine: fast, cheap, and they'd have to do. It seems like a metaphor for the Wehrmacht of the final days of the war: Precious resources being poured into complicated toys, while ersatz guns go to the hands of defenders ordered to stand to the last.

What a waste. What a maddening, futile, stupid waste.
Title: Unusual German Small Arms and Infantry Weapons of World War
Post by: JollyBob on April 29, 2008, 12:23:41 PM
Good lord!  :o

Some of that stuff is disturbingly thrown together. Krieg-bicycle? What is that in German? Its been a while since I had to speak it.

I echo Pete's sentiments. The people using this stuff must have thought it was the end of the world if this was all they were being issued with.
Title: Unusual German Small Arms and Infantry Weapons of World War
Post by: Aaron on April 29, 2008, 01:28:40 PM
Nice link to German discus grenades from there. Thanks. I've been wanting to see a picture of the WW1 version since I read about it in my WW1 engineers' manual.
Title: Unusual German Small Arms and Infantry Weapons of World War
Post by: archangel1 on April 29, 2008, 06:02:46 PM
Love the Donkeyfaust!  :lol:

The belt buckle gun reminds me of one I had as a kid.  It was a metal derringer on a mount that swung out and fired a plastic bullet when you released the 'secret catch' and pushed your stomach out! I seem to remember it was connected with 'Have Gun Will Travel' for some reason.
Title: Unusual German Small Arms and Infantry Weapons of World War
Post by: Vanvlak on April 29, 2008, 06:41:55 PM
Poor old donkey :(

Explosive  chocolate bar! Good grief, I'd fall for that.The ice mine is the most ingenious of the lot.
Title: Re: Unusual German Small Arms and Infantry Weapons of World War
Post by: bob and his dog on October 28, 2009, 08:39:36 PM
I'm struck by two things - half of those weapons are complex SMG/assault rifle/LMG types, full of complicated machined parts. Inevitably they are quoted as being intended for the politically-connected units, the ones with the repeated letter. The other half of them look like you could make them from plumber's fittings and a sheet-steel stamping machine: fast, cheap, and they'd have to do. It seems like a metaphor for the Wehrmacht of the final days of the war: Precious resources being poured into complicated toys, while ersatz guns go to the hands of defenders ordered to stand to the last.

What a waste. What a maddening, futile, stupid waste.

So were you rooting for the Wehrmacht to win????  I would prefer more such waste, earlier :)
Title: Re: Unusual German Small Arms and Infantry Weapons of World War
Post by: Doc Twilight on October 28, 2009, 08:48:42 PM
Great link!

Just a friendly word of warning. Greyfalcon has a very definite political agenda. I would advise those going through his site to do so with a grain of salt.

-Doc
Title: Re: Unusual German Small Arms and Infantry Weapons of World War
Post by: former user on October 29, 2009, 10:35:45 AM
Thank god the Nazi administration was so tied up with not concentrating ressources and wasting them.

Of course this general tendency of military research highly contradicts the general view of germans being efficient and well organized - but this is the difference between reality and cliché.

And it provides us with weird ideas....

I remember the one-shot flamethrower and the blatant "misinformation" of it being a device to blind crews of AFV.....

I just took a flight over the site linked, and my personal view is that apart displaying NS symbols at closer view and propagating the ubiquitous Nazi cliché of wonderweapons, it is grossely misleading.

The rarity of the displayed weapons is often due to their unawareness according to the standardized movie version of the german army and also due to the improvisational character but frequent use.
Misconceiving bicycle attachments as weapon mounts is really stupid.
Many were also standard issue for specialized troops and thus in small series.
Animals were used as "one-shot" devices, but believing that someone would fire a Bazooka from the back of a donkey....  give me a break!
The fact that WWII soldiers could not post silly prank pictures on the internet surely did not keep them from shooting them....


And finally, there are many examples of western allied troops improvising whatever was at hand, and also discarded weapons concepts and unused prototypes.

An interesting example is a mechanized american infanty regiment who's commander was hunting for downed allied aircraft in France in order to equip all his AFV with .50 cal MG....


PS : with "stupid" I meant the above linked site and in no way any of the users here - so no offence intended.....
Title: Re: Unusual German Small Arms and Infantry Weapons of World War
Post by: postal on October 29, 2009, 11:28:02 AM
very nice the donkyfaust was awsome
Title: Re: Unusual German Small Arms and Infantry Weapons of World War
Post by: answer_is_42 on October 29, 2009, 02:07:21 PM
The site these are from is called "STRANGE VEHICLES OF PRE-WAR GERMANY & THE THIRD REICH". I'd post a link to the home page, but I've a feeling the German Police might not be quite so happy about that...
Google it.
Title: Re: Unusual German Small Arms and Infantry Weapons of World War
Post by: former user on October 29, 2009, 02:29:46 PM
better not

the first one was already.....
though an interesting collection of ideas
Title: Re: Unusual German Small Arms and Infantry Weapons of World War
Post by: leadfool on October 30, 2009, 05:08:11 AM
cool reference, thanks for sharing
Title: Re: Unusual German Small Arms and Infantry Weapons of World War
Post by: Bako on October 31, 2009, 12:51:07 AM
Interesting.
Title: Re: Unusual German Small Arms and Infantry Weapons of World War
Post by: Blackwolf on October 31, 2009, 01:59:04 AM
Interesting indeed,and amusing.Sound suppressors on MG 34 o_o lol ? Some fakery as well. As for the donkey,I think donkeys would have been too valuable a beast to even consider.
Title: Re: Unusual German Small Arms and Infantry Weapons of World War
Post by: Bako on October 31, 2009, 02:32:21 AM
Would have rather committed them to the slaughter house.
Title: Re: Unusual German Small Arms and Infantry Weapons of World War
Post by: former user on October 31, 2009, 11:48:25 AM
You don't have the slightest Idea how nice creatures donkeys are

I'd rather eat a dog (I wouldn't eat a dog anyway, but if it came to decision making :()
Title: Re: Unusual German Small Arms and Infantry Weapons of World War
Post by: Bako on November 02, 2009, 07:13:22 PM
Considering my experiences, I'd have to say otherwise. >:(
Title: Re: Unusual German Small Arms and Infantry Weapons of World War
Post by: Hauptgefreiter on November 02, 2009, 07:32:42 PM
Considering my experiences, I'd have to say otherwise. >:(
Now I am curious!  lol
Title: Re: Unusual German Small Arms and Infantry Weapons of World War
Post by: Bako on November 03, 2009, 04:17:20 AM
I have to warn you though, curiosity kills the cat. ;)
Title: Re: Unusual German Small Arms and Infantry Weapons of World War
Post by: former user on November 03, 2009, 11:59:16 AM
and the dog and donkey too, apparently  :D
Title: Re: Unusual German Small Arms and Infantry Weapons of World War
Post by: Hauptgefreiter on November 03, 2009, 06:12:34 PM
Is it worth one of the seven?  nine? how many lives?  :D
Title: Re: Unusual German Small Arms and Infantry Weapons of World War
Post by: Bako on November 03, 2009, 06:38:01 PM
As many as needs be ;).