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Other Stuff => Workbench => Topic started by: Zafarelli on June 24, 2013, 03:47:40 PM
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Here is a first mock-up of a post apoc raft/float (what's the correct word here?) I am building for this year's Gubbspel Galore in Sweden. The theme is "Maritime", so I thought I could at least make an effort to build something to bring. A whole table is out of the question, but Silversixx will hopefully allow me to put my vehicle on his excellent board :)
Quickly assembled from existing Pardulon parts, mainly shanty parts, oil barrels and a few other things. Mast, motor and all kinds of other stuff will be added once I'm content with the overall shape.
(http://pictures.pardulon-models.com/workbench/raft01.jpg)
I'm a bit uncertain regarding the materials used. As it is, it looks like it's constructed entirely from scrap metal. Might be a bit heavy for a raft, maybe wood would be the better alternative. But then, most modern ships are made from metal as well, so probably not. What do you think?
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Looks great :-* :-*
Raft is the term :)
How about having most of the under structure from wood (telegraph poles, railway sleepers etc) and keeping the upper stuff the same.
Having it listing (leaning) to one side might be a nice touch ???
cheers
James
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In Post Apoc you just use what you'll get. Some coffee stirer wood in between would not harm the picture though. I wouldn't deem it sea wothy yet(ever?), but asume it would work great along a coast or in a river delta.
For long time operation you will need some place to sleep (just add a hammock somewhere and some weather protection.
You might consider to elongate the "cabin" with some kind of textile sunshades. I recomend gauze bandages. They work great to emulate camouflage nettings (just dye them in a mix of in olive, black and varnish before applying, they will stiffen up and be drybrushable afterwards).
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That looks great!
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Bibbles has a few very good points there, all valid.
At the end of the day, it looks like it 'would' float, so I would not overthink it too much.
It looks 'right' and thats the main thing.
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How about some flotsam/debris caught up between the barrels etc?
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I love it! :-*:-*
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I especially like what you've done with the barrels as floats. 8)
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Works for me. I think Mason sums it up, yes you could go a different route but this one works more than ok.
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Great! If Silversixx has no room you are welcome on the harbour table, I will hopefully finish in time for my fallout scenarios.
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Works for me. I think Mason sums it up, yes you could go a different route but this one works more than ok.
Seconded, or thirded. It looks great as is. ;D
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Great! If Silversixx has no room you are welcome on the harbour table. I will hopefully finish in time for my fallout scenarios.
I have all the confidence in the world that you will finish it in time :)
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Really nice! Can't wait to see the finished product.
Chris
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Wood bits underneath would be good, but the barrels as floats sell the idea of an all-metal barge.
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That's pretty great.
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200 litres/55 gallons of air per barrel will make that thing float of course.
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What Michi said.
And it looks grand 8) 8) 8)
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Pretty awesome! 8)
I was immediately reminded of The third Stalker game, which started out in a swampy area. This raft would fit in there perfectly...
Great work: can't wait to see it painted :)
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Thanks for all the feedback, people! My main concern was not the weight, but the resistance to corrosion. But then, wood won't last in salt water forever as well, if not treated properly. So I guess I'll go with the "Hey, it's post apoc!" approach and stick to a mostly metal construction. I'll rummage through the materials cupboard for some coffee stirrers, though :)
Daeothar, what do you mean, "painted"? I haven't even started the construction yet. Up to now it's just parts of various kits slapped together with putty ;)
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I didn't think I could look more forward to Galore, but you just did.
Looks awesome!
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A great start, Jens! I'll watch this thread to take inspiration... as always! ^^
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That's really nice- like it lots. :)
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Ooh that looks very workable as a post apoc raft. Here in Australia we have small aluminum Boats called "tinnies" which have small outboard motors on them. The metal isn't flat, but has rectangular grooves through it. The aluminum doesn't rust, but salt does build up and has a white oxidization/buildup in the creases. So you could imagine the metal is aluminum, and paint it as such?
Cheers
Matt
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Daeothar, what do you mean, "painted"? I haven't even started the construction yet. Up to now it's just parts of various kits slapped together with putty ;)
Doh... ::)
And I thought it was pretty much finished already. It certainly looks functional. In a ramshackle way that is... ;)
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Doh... ::)
And I thought it was pretty much finished already. It certainly looks functional. In a ramshackle way that is... ;)
No, nothing was glued down in that picture. But now it is :)
(http://pictures.pardulon-models.com/workbench/raft02.jpg)
Need to add more floating barrels, but otherwise, the basic underconstruction is more or less finished. I quite like it, it's almost a shame that the deck will cover everything. I'm currently considering two platforms, one at the bow/prow (cursed online dictionaries never tell which word is appropriate), the other at the stern, both linked with a walkway.
Skander, Anders, I'll happily play on both your tables :)
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Jens, you're more than welcome! While Anders can bribe you with a brilliant board, I'll give you any choice of pickled herring. I know which one I would choose ;)
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Bow or prow are suitable for the pointy end of a ship(or in the case of your blunt ended raft - the front). The prow is actually the foremost part of the bow above the waterline, but most landsmen and quite a lot of weekend sailors use them without differentiation.
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The bow is the pointy end. The prow is the pointiest point of the pointy end. lol
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Ah, I see. Well, here is a picture with a temporary bow puttied to the main body. Mast and cabin are also only temporarily attached.
(http://pictures.pardulon-models.com/workbench/raft03.jpg)
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Damn teutonic efficiancy! :-*
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I love it. It makes me want to go all post apoc.
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Looks grand :-*
cheers
James
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Very cool idea, liking the flavor.good work :)
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This is looking really good so far!
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Makes me think of Waterworld. The cobbles together craft & the settlement from early in the movie.
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Makes me think of Waterworld. The cobbles together craft & the settlement from early in the movie.
All he needs now is a neat stack of tins of "Smeat". lol
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Nice looking piece of work! Richard
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Thanks, people!
Finished and primed the main body, the cabin and the bow section.
(http://pictures.pardulon-models.com/workbench/raft04.jpg)
(http://pictures.pardulon-models.com/workbench/raft05.jpg)
I have also started scratchbuilding a small outboard motor of the variety often seen on small Asian river craft.
(http://pictures.pardulon-models.com/workbench/raft06.jpg)
I'm not entirely sure I like the bow section, but it is still separate and can be replaced with regular planking (or rather sheeting).
I plan to cover the gaps at the waterline of the barrels with all sorts of debris, as has been suggested by Mason. I'm thinking of a mixture of white glue, static grass and a few wooden and plastic bits. I'll probably sculpt a dead fish, too :D Any other suggestions?
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Very nice - starting to come together nicely.
I like the bow, but I don't think you need too much debris on the sides, just a little will work.
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Looks great :-*
How about an albatross nest on the side ;)
cheers
James
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I really have to try the flower bomb technique, Jens :D
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Skander, I use the flour bomb now for everything. After the white dusting, the model almost paints itself, all you need to do is apply a few washes, pick out some details and highlight. That's it.
Finished the outboard subassembly. Here's a close-up:
(http://pictures.pardulon-models.com/workbench/raft07.jpg)
I think it might be a tad small for such a rather large vessel. Opinions?
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That has turned out wonderfully well!
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I think it might be a tad small for such a rather large vessel. Opinions?
I agree that it is a little big, but hey, what do I know will happen when it all gets post-apoc?
:D
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And why on earth did I write "flower"? o_o Maybe an effect of my sheer happiness of this build ;)
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I think it might be a tad small for such a rather large vessel. Opinions?
This does not look like a speedboat to me, more like some traders junk (a junk-junk to be precise ;) ) so that motoriszation is quite OK. Maybe it will be transported by linking to a towboat and this motor is only for precise steering when in harbours... Who knows?
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I think it might be a tad small for such a rather large vessel. Opinions?
How about two, the second one being a different design?
cheers
James
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I think it might be a tad small for such a rather large vessel. Opinions?
I'd say it depends on the currents in the waters it sails. perfect for small lakes or streams, but they wouldn't venture out to sea with it.
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Brilliant build! I wouldn't change a thing. Sometimes the post-apoc engine you got is the post-apoc engine you got...
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Thanks for the input! Did some more research into boat engines and found a few better designs. I think the mistake was that my original reference was intended for small paddle boats, and I just upscaled it. I guess I'll build a slightly larger one, something like this:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c7/Long-tail_boat_engine_Ko_Kai.jpg (Attention, large picture)
The completed one will be stored somewhere on the raft as backup.
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Great build. My Waterworld project lies dormant, I shall live vicariously through you :)
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Built a new engine. This one certainly looks like it could propel a heavy-laden vessel 8)
(http://pictures.pardulon-models.com/workbench/raft08.jpg)
And a comparison shot with the old outboard, already flour-bombed.
(http://pictures.pardulon-models.com/workbench/raft09.jpg)
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Fantastic 8) 8)
cheers
James
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As replied on facebook : don't forget the tubes for the watercirculation (cooling)
and ofcourse : 8)
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oh man
such an intrigueing project
always loving Your rust!
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It looks great!
Will you make them available in the store?
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Looking beefier. What's the flour bomb method?
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What's the flour bomb method?
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+1 here too ;)
That new engine is a beauty, love it!!!
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Thanks, people!
Zizi, I had hoped that I could get away without those ;) The build is fiddly enough as it is, and I don't want to shed parts all over Silversixx's and Anpu's tables. It's supposed to be a gaming model, after all lol
Anders, no. This is just a quick scratch build. I'd have to do a few things different from the start if I wanted it to be castable. Also, it is not the cleanest work, with gaps and odd angles galore :)
The flour bomb (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=46432.msg584528#msg584528) is a term coined by The Crazy Vikinghere for black-and-white priming, and it sort of stuck with me. I learned that technique from Mrs Zafarelli, who paints a lot better than I do. All you do is spray prime your model completely black, and, once dry, follow up with a mist of white from a 45° angle. The white will settle on all raised surfaces, defining the natural shadows. I really like that method of priming, it makes painting soooo easy :-*
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The Flour Bomb.....
A term new to me however I have also used this technique. I will try to remember this.
Tony
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Anders, no. This is just a quick scratch build. I'd have to do a few things different from the start if I wanted it to be castable. Also, it is not the cleanest work, with gaps and odd angles galore :)
I was just refering to the engines, but then again they seem to have a lot of angles and cavites too, and would be frail when cast as well.
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Wonderful stuff as ever Jens!
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That's a bit special
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:)
I've been 'flour bomb' priming for years, never knew it had a name. I thought you had developed a new weathering technique using flour lol
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Nearing completion 8)
Overall view. I'm not too sure about the mast configuration. Currently, they look as if they don't really serve a purpose. A sunshade might be an option, a crow's nest, or an emergency sail. But for that, the main mast might be to short. Opinions?
(http://pictures.pardulon-models.com/workbench/raft10.jpg)
The outboard is held in place with a magnet, so it can be removed for tranportation, or turned to indicate a direction change. I doubt Silversixx's rules will account for that, though ;)
(http://pictures.pardulon-models.com/workbench/raft11.jpg)
Nautical map and something to read. The map was done freehand with a fineliner and acrylics. I hope my Northern neighbours will forgive me butchering their coastlines and overall layout of their countries :-)
(http://pictures.pardulon-models.com/workbench/raft12.jpg)
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Looking good - a nice set of colours. The masts could be the radio receiver?
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You're right, there are no rules for direction, it's after all the grim dark very near future adter all ;)
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Love it 8)
How about a tarpaulin (blue :D ) from the mast to act as a sunshade/weather protector?
cheers
James
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you could put a postapoc block and tackle on the lane between the masts (Movable back and forth between them by another cable). Would fit for a trading raft
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Maybe some clean and washed (one hopes) underwear hanging from the line?
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Both of the above ideas are great!
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:-* Mr Zafarelli Thats a beauty of a raft. I love all the different shades of rust. It combines into a very complex build, and looks spot on.
I love your spare outboard... Why waste a good build eh? lol
Cheers
Matt
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Fantastic work, I can see this trading up and down rivers at settlements, beautiful in its rusty glory.
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Missed this fantastic build, Jens. A beauty.
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That's looking really good!! :-* :-*
Loving the details!
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Really nice! Very PA. Love the details.
Maybe a little too rusted everywhere though. Looks like it was abandoned and not in use. I would expect less rust inside the cabin at least. I am not an expert on rust.
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Really nice! Very PA. Love the details.
Maybe a little too rusted everywhere though. Looks like it was abandoned and not in use. I would expect less rust inside the cabin at least. I am not an expert on rust.
Untreated iron and steel on sea water? There will be rust everywhere.
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Yes lots of rust everywhere but made of rust? It just seems to me that even post-apoc "sailors" would maintain their boat a little bit at the risk of it totally falling apart mid-voyage and drowning in a toxic sludge river. Still looks good anyway.
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Scavengers can't be picky ;)
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Yes lots of rust everywhere but made of rust? It just seems to me that even post-apoc "sailors" would maintain their boat a little bit at the risk of it totally falling apart mid-voyage and drowning in a toxic sludge river. Still looks good anyway.
A nice magnesium bar with electricity would slow it down. :D
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I suppose some plastic could be found, fiberglass, or aluminum, or driftwood. Plenty of ways to justifiably break up the rusty look if he wants.
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That will look great on the gaming table. After all, desperate times call for desperate river craft.
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Spent the last two weeks camping with Mrs Zafarelli and my son, and had some other business to attend to, but now I'm back 8)
Scurv, tons of great ideas, thanks for that!
Regarding the rust issue: I guess all materials will be affected by the salt and/or toxic water in one way or another. I don't imagine the colour to be necessarily rust, but all sorts of algae, dirt and other environment influences.
Anyway, I glued the main parts together and started adding details.
Some stowage, tied down with a net. I have also added a second mast construction (for want of a better word) midships.
(http://pictures.pardulon-models.com/workbench/raft13.jpg)
Closeup of the main mast with lots of ropework. I have also started to add furniture into the cabin. One of the finished benches is slightly visible behind the mast.
(http://pictures.pardulon-models.com/workbench/raft14.jpg)
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Damn! :-*
I really have to do some special rules for this one. Apparently unsinkable by the Godzilla I planned ;)
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Oh, fuckadeedoodar!
That is lovely!
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Beautiful - really starting to come together. So what's planned for the next craft (because there can't just be one on the water :))?
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Will there be an additional go-over to add scum? Waterline sludge, mysterious stains, and the like?
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Love the colours :-* :-*
cheers
James
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Your attention to details is exemplary, Jens, I'm in awe again.
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Lovely work,very inspirational :-*
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Thanks, people!
Skander, I have plans to hang the skull of Godzilla's wife from the bowsprit We'll see how he reacts to that >:D
Von Lucky, no plans for more, currently. But if I do another boat, it will be a something like a Zodiac.
Fram, most definitely. Unfortunately, the glue warped the underconstruction slightly, so that the barrels don't sit flat on the surface. I hope some flock and other assorted stuff, painted like algae, water plants and dead fish will mend this.
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Simply wonderful!
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Added a few more details, cabin interior, hammock, more stowage on the cabin, and loading crane among others. o_o Also visible on the roof is Drybrush Creepwood, Slightly Pirate (tm), owner and captain of this mighty vessel. I'll post a separate picture once he's finished.
(http://pictures.pardulon-models.com/workbench/raft15.jpg)
(http://pictures.pardulon-models.com/workbench/raft16.jpg)
Next is rigging, and I'm fairly certain that a few more details will happen along the way ;D
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That's fecking brill!! :o :o
Drybrush Creepwood? lol lol lol
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Fantastic :D
Love the hammock :-*
cheers
James
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He should have a cat called Guybrush Threepwood. ;)
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Wait a minute! I've just thought. Should that not be a Chinese boat captain, which would make that ship a 'Junk'? ;)
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:o outstanding. I love the colour those little details bring to the ship, it also hides the vast amount of rust, so do not worry about the previous comments about too much rust on a real boat to be able to float at sea blah blah blah blah ;)
She's a scrappy beauty.
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WOW. Love all the details. My previous rust comments no longer applicable now :$ Fantastic. Looks great! :-*
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Bloody gorgeous!
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Great build!
Great paint!
Well done!
tt43.
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Beautiful :o
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Stupid idea: you could still add some trophies /lucky charms nonsense things (like those Japanese Maneki-Neko or German Wackeldackel statues)
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Magnificent, Jens, I'm very jealous. ;D
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Thanks, people!
Except for a few minor details, the thing is now finished.
Here she is, sailing under the Flag of the Golden Elephant (which obviously needs to be attached to the mast properly):
(http://pictures.pardulon-models.com/workbench/raft17.jpg)
More stowage plus backup motor. Also in the picture the now finished Drybrush Creepwood, Slightly Pirate (tm). He's converted from one of my own - I gave him a tricorn and a mechanical leg (a wooden peg leg didn't seem right for Post Apoc).
(http://pictures.pardulon-models.com/workbench/raft18.jpg)
(http://pictures.pardulon-models.com/workbench/raft19.jpg)
(http://pictures.pardulon-models.com/workbench/raft20.jpg)
Except for a bit of rigging here and there, and some debris around the floaters, I guess that's that. But I'll probably add a ship's kobold :)
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8) :-*
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awesome! For my taste it's a little too rusty, but.. awesome!
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Wonderful stuff Jens!
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Great job! :-*
So much wonderful detail. Especially like the hammock!
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Stunning finish!
It is all the little details that make it for me.
Wonderful!
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............ and a mechanical leg (a wooden peg leg didn't seem right for Post Apoc).
Maybe a little rust there, perhaps... ;)
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Maybe a little rust there, perhaps... ;)
Damn, I knew I missed a spot ;)
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Fantastico!
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That is absolutely brilliant. It all comes together in a beautiful combination. To me there is one minor thing that looks out of place - the map is far too pristine clean for that rust bucket. The map is in urgent neede of some coffee rings. Have loved following your work on this and hope there will be more vessels to come- a floating bordello comes to mind.
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Wow. An amazing project comes to a brilliant end. Congratulations. Really inspiring.
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Nice work! You should get some of the LAF post apoc seamen to crew the ship!
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Cracking finish! :o :o :o
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I'm probably repeating myself, but it is really wonderful. Thanks for posting. Richard
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I agree...this is the type of gaming piece that makes you want to start a new period...! (Must...resist...)
Mike Demana
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That is immense. I love it. Drybrush Creepwood looks great too. Would love to see some pics of this on a water gaming board. :D
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Another beauty has just rolled out of the Zafarelli Studios.
Cheers
Geboom
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Love this!
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very lovely
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S.U.B.L.I.M.E.
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What a fantastic model. I can see a couple of these type of craft in a chase/race game or boarding action type games.
Great stuff.
IanKH
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Wonderful :-* :-* :-*
If i dont spend much time in LAF, i miss fantastic projects like this.
If i do spend more time here i get loads of inspiration, greats ideas and have no time left to do anything :'(
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The LAF dilemma.
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The LAF dilemma.
Oh so true. :-[
Cheers
Matt.