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Miniatures Adventure => Old West => Topic started by: thebinmann on July 02, 2013, 07:26:30 AM
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Hi
I have been thinking about adding some old west minis to my collection. Given that I started years ago my first minis are all foundry 25mm, but now everything is 28 or 32mm. So I thought I'd sell off my 25mm to fund replacements.
However, I find it hard to choose what to sell and even harder to decide if I can mix in 25, 28 and 32mm. Which is strange as I am over 6ft and had a coworker who is perhaps not much over 5ft and I don't find that shocking. So I decided to stand minis against each other and then recycle the smallest.
But, I then realised that while next to each other in a size comp they looked strange "in game" pehaps hey didn't.
Anyway you can clearly see I need HELP...
CAN OLD AND NEW LIVE TOGETHER?
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/13/2859_02_07_13_8_15_52_0.JPG)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/13/2859_02_07_13_8_15_29_2.JPG)
I'd say that the first pic is ok, but the second seems a little odd.
HOW ABOUT IN THE REAL (TABLE TOP) WORLD?
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/13/2859_02_07_13_8_15_30_4.JPG)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/13/2859_02_07_13_8_15_29_3.JPG)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/13/2859_02_07_13_8_15_29_1.JPG)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/13/2859_02_07_13_8_15_29_0.JPG)
I don't find that shocking, but am I blinded by LOVE?
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I think most I can live with, however did ditch a lot of black scorpion other than chap with 2 pistols and duster and the preacher as they seemed just that bit too large (most of mine are orignal Perry Foundry figs..townsfolk are anyway)
The reaper are large too and dont mention the orignal deadlnads whihc were giants.
I like to think of heroes and villains as larger than life and justify it that way :D
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... and dont mention the orignal deadlnads whihc were giants.
Oh yes me too!
I might get just a couple of Black Scorpion as Men Mountain (maybe Bubba(?)), but I was more think along the lines of Brigade Games, do you have any?
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I think it is more a matter of build or frame than height for me. Some minis are more realistically proportioned and others more cartoony. Personally I find it hard to ignore a size difference, but actually wish I wasn't so critical and could just remember these are little lead soldiers anyway.
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Oh yes me too!
I might get just a couple of Black Scorpion as Men Mountain (maybe Bubba(?)), but I was more think along the lines of Brigade Games, do you have any?
They are Paul Hicks sculpts, have had lots of his figures so they should match very well with the older Foundry stuff havent picked them up though as my weird west is sitting firmly on the back bench ;D
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Personally I find it hard to ignore a size difference, but actually wish I wasn't so critical and could just remember these are little lead soldiers anyway.
ME TOO ME TOO, LET'S START A SUPPORT GROUP: The "Come on you know they're only little lead men, don't give them a size complex" Group
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I've never had a problem mixing different sized figures. I look at the differences & if they fall with in the size variences of people I know I use them. Some of the smaller 25s like old Mini-figs or Ral Partha don't fit well, but old Foundry & Dixons seem to look fine. If most of your figures are 28s a few 30-32mm figures mix in just fine too.
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I think they all look fine together, especially that nice Boot Hill figure ;)
Seen from three feet away when palying a game I think you notice the difference even less.
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Seen from three feet away when palying a game I think you notice the difference even less.
Yes, I agree
I think they all look fine together, especially that nice Boot Hill figure ;)
If you look closely you might spot a second one!
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If you look closely you might spot a second one!
Oh yes, hiding at the back lol
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Oh yes, hiding at the back lol
HAH my mis-en-scene worked as he is "hiding" behind a smallish 25mm foundry! Points to us both!
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I wouldnt worry about it too much, mate, looking at the examples shown.
There are no aliens in there.
;)
I think they all look fine together, especially that nice Boot Hill figure ;)
Seen from three feet away when palying a game I think you notice the difference even less.
And if you are looking down on them from above (as most people would be.... ::)), even less so.
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HAH my mis-en-scene worked as he is "hiding" behind a smallish 25mm foundry! Points to us both!
lol
I meant to say some lovely brushwork, I especially like the plaid trousers in the first photo.
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Standing around my wild west table I usually have people ranging from 5'5" to about 6'5" actually playing the game. So I guess 3mm in size on the models doesn't really make that much difference to me.
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lol
I meant to say some lovely brushwork, I especially like the plaid trousers in the first photo.
Unfortunately I paint like a clubfisted ogre, the first one is Artwho and can you spot the BootHill Painter?
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Standing around my wild west table I usually have people ranging from 5'5" to about 6'5" actually playing the game. So I guess 3mm in size on the models doesn't really make that much difference to me.
You would say that wouldn't you Mister SMALLER
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Different heights do not matter providing the sculpting style is similar. Ranges that favour the bloated "pumpkin head" figure style do not work with those that have a better proportioned style.
While you can get away with it in SciFi or Fantasy, in historical genres it never looks right.
I find the best way to check is to look at the sizes of the weapons/rifles. If the guns look right the figures will work together, if they look like stubby over inflated balloons they will not.
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Yeah, what Robh said, but if it's a good figure that's the main thing. Size doesn't matter if your technique is sound ;)
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Humans vary in size anyway - so I don't think this is crazy. 28mm is 12% bigger than 25mm which is about the same difference between 5ft 4" and 6ft 0" - well within the normal range. I would suggest that different figure proportions or painting styles would be more noticeable.
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Yeah, what Robh said, but if it's a good figure that's the main thing. Size doesn't matter if your technique is sound ;)
lol
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I will echo what robh said, and I've said before myself. Sure, it is normal to have PEOPLE of different sizes, but a weapon is a weapon. A Black Scorpion figure with a winchester will have a noticably longer and bulkier weapon than your 25mm Minifig, same goes for revolvers. If you wanted to go through the effort of changing weapons, then mixing the figures would work for you.
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thebinmann;
If you take a real close look, most figures that you have are close enough in my opinion, like you said, real humans are all different shapes and sizes. In the photo with all the figures, the one figure on the left is on a built up base, so he looks even taller than normal. The one on the right is on a black slotta base which always increases the height of figures. I have so many Old West figures from different manufacturers and personally I don't see the problem. I am not very tall (5'7") and I have many friends, some shorter than me (not many) and many well over 6' tall or more, one is 6'8"...so I figure in a skirmish game...who really cares...if they do so what, you painted the figure, terrain and are running the game, and if they don't appreciate that because figures are not all the same size...don't invite them back to play that game again as it bothered them that much. I would rather play a game with great looking figures and terrain (like you have) and get together with my friends than worry about the size of figures....pettiness is for ignorant fools!!
Just my two cents worth.
Regards,
Hitman
8)
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....pettiness is for ignorant fools!!
Well said, that man!
:D
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I happily mix different sized miniatures from different ranges, from 25mm to 32mm and it does not bother me. The weapons discrepancy does not matter to me either. I want to use the figures for an enjoyable game with a feel for the old west and the little quibbles over weapon size or slightly large heads is just one thing I can do without. I buy miniatures from certain places cos I like them. If you're happy with the difference then go with it.
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Honestly when you're pushing lead with your mates, the whole scale thing becomes moot if you're having fun! Personally I use different thicknesses of basing material so they even out. I have a nice mix of Pass of the North (Now Monday Knight Productions), Foundry, Dixon, Ral Partha, Old Glory, and Reaper Western figs. I use them all together because I refuse to submit to the whole scale creep issue! I have even removed figures from their cast on bases (Very carefully) and glued them to squares of acetate for ship crews.
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I personally don't care at all, especially with skirmish games. That being said, sometimes matching a very small range vs. a very large range can be distracting. I find a bit of work with bases can solve most of that. I do think it'd be far more noticeable in a rank and file game, say Civil War, Napoleonics where it would become much more obvious.
As a whole? No, I don't care. As poor of a painter as I am, I do appreciate the large, clean detail of the Black Scorpion line as it is easier for me to paint! lol
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Yeah, what Robh said, but if it's a good figure that's the main thing. Size doesn't matter if your technique is sound ;)
Phnnnaar!
I have mixed and matched most and it seems to work ok. I have some knuckleduster pioneer womed who are very small , but they could of course be just that...
I have also mixed the base thickness a little , which can help
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Yup, the only time I really notice the serious difference is when you pair a "tends to be small..." line of minis with a "tends to be huge..." line of minis (Black Scorpion + Knuckleduster etc.).
It does obviously exacerbate the differences. lol
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You would say that wouldn't you Mister SMALLER
Funny that :)