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Miniatures Adventure => VSF Adventures => Topic started by: Conquistador on August 03, 2013, 03:17:32 PM
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1) No British, French (especially FFL,) American, Ottoman, Russian, or Prussian troops should apply ;) Already done by too many others...
2) I already am thinking Austro-Hungarian for one other nation but a third would be [perfect for triangular competitions.]
3) Latin American nations would have great potential but Asian ones such as China or even Japan would certainly be considered.
4) Minor European powers and Middle Eastern nations would be happily considered.
5) Pacific oceanic nations or African probably would need a "back story" to justify - please provide an example if you suggest one of them such as Fiji, or Hawaiian nationalists/insurgents.
Let your imaginations flow!
Gracias,
Glenn
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Sea Dyaks, haven't stolen the necessary equipment from Spain's Venusian transit base in the Philipines
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You can always do the 'Venus Free State' run by King Leopold II of the Belgians
Carl
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Sea Dyaks, haven't stolen the necessary equipment from Spain's Venusian transit base in the Philipines
That has potential, will consider it. What figures (I have Tiger Miniatures Moros,) might be most suitable?
Gracias,
Glenn
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You can always do the 'Venus Free State' run by King Leopold II of the Belgians
Carl
Another good choice - what figures might be most suitable? I wonder if you are thinking "Belgian" style troops or Force Publique style troops.
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The only other figures I know of are the Eureka Dyaks, you could top the figures up with general European and chinese figures and make them the forces of the White Raja, James Brooke.
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Another 19th century colonial nation to consider is Portugal, a nation with a history of rivalry with Spain. Equipment followed the generic continental style with Y-backed webbing and 2 front pouches:
Sailor (WW1 Africa)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/14/164_03_08_13_5_02_55_0.jpg)
Marine (WW2 Africa - so replace webbing with same as the sailor - note also the marine's gaiters)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/14/164_03_08_13_5_02_55_1.jpg)
Soldiers' uniforms were the same colour as the marine, but with military tunic. Headgear was a slouch hat or grey tropical helmet of similar shape to those of the German marine's tropical dress. Webbing as per the sailor above but in brown leather. Rank badges appear to follow the French pattern. There is a plate showing Portuguese troops in the Osprey book Armies in East Africa 1914 - 18.
Eureka do infantry in hats http://eurekamin.com.au/product_info.php?cPath=87_126_139&products_id=1794 (http://eurekamin.com.au/product_info.php?cPath=87_126_139&products_id=1794) .
For helmeted figures look at German Boxer Rebellion/WW1 style marines (e.g. Pulp).
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The Dutch. They maintained a colonial prescence in the South Seas. A Latin American foe could be Chile. they became a major South American power by winning the Pacific War of the 1870s. Perhaps they are seeking "Great Power" status by having Venusian colonies. Finaly a Tarzan of Venus.
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Well my three immediate thoughts have already been mentioned now - Portugal, Holland or Chile.
Otherwise, how about Italy? Newly united and looking to expand? Or renegade Sicilians, Piedmont-Sardinese etc etc who don't want to be part of a united Italy?
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How about a long abandoned Martian colony that has "gone native"?
Or natives led by a John Carter style character?
Possibly something more exotic (from another era), such as a Mayan or Aztec priest?
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How about a long abandoned Martian colony that has "gone native"?
Or natives led by a John Carter style character?
Possibly something more exotic (from another era), such as a Mayan or Aztec priest?
Maya would tie in nicely with the GW lizardmen figures.
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How about a spacefaring force from the Boer republics? The Venus Free State or somesuch?
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the dutch or you could have the east India company
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I think Italy would be a good choice. There are some pictures over on the colonial forum of some Castaway Arts Italians
Justin
theparadeground.blogspot.com (http://theparadeground.blogspot.com)
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Italians would also be a good option - plenty of figures out there :)
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French Foreign Legion and perhaps Americans would be awesome. Lots of figure choices and background to play with.
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French Foreign Legion and perhaps Americans would be awesome. Lots of figure choices and background to play with.
The OP already eliminated both.
Brazil might be a choice, especially in conjunction with Portugal.
I think your elimination of the Turks is perhaps a bit hasty. Not that many people are doing Turks. Although I would love to eventually. Certainly more Japanese out there than Turks, I think.
Of course, India is part of the British Empire, otherwise I might recommend them. Same goes for Egypt.
Mexico, perhaps. What if the mineral required for flight were found in Mexican mines? That would have the potential to create both a strong military and incredible wealth. Subtropical location is better for a launch, too. Yucatan Downport of Cozumel, anyone? Might even get that Maya/Aztec flavor in there.
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3) .... China or even Japan would certainly be considered.
Nobody has put forward a case for either China or Japan so,
3C) China - In most fictional Colonial periods China is being colonized rather than doing the colonizing. But here's a couple of story hooks: deposits of the rare earth needed for Aeronefs was discovered in Tibet, various orders of militant monks organized expeditions to Venus to liberate indentured laborers (mostly chinese but buddhists) who had been lured there by less scrupulous Colonial powers. There was a revolt on Venus resulting in the Asian Venusian Confederacy. Led by more than one order of monks, the former indentured workers have discovered rich deposits of Wingardium (the stuff that makes Aeronefs soar) on Venus. They hope to build a strong base on Venus, return to Earth with fleets of Aeronefs and unite all of China and Asia against the white devils.
3J) Japan - In order to remain at least a Major Power if not a Great Power the Japanese felt they had to colonize off-world. Mars was locked up (curse the British). But the Japanese felt the climate of Venus gave them some degree of advantage. Luckily they discovered deposits of Cavorite (or the secret to growing Liftwood?) in their Manchurian enclave and this gave them enough Wingardium to build the ships needed to reach Venus where even larger deposits are to be found.
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Nobody has put forward a case for either China or Japan so,
Tibet, various orders of militant monks
Tibet occasionally features as a gateway for eg Cthulhuesque travel (Plateau of Leng etc) so you might not need aeronefs to travel, also gets a chance to add in moon-beasts, purple spiders etc
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And, who can have enough purple spiders, eh?
Still the idea of Buddhist monks using air-Cthulhu... :o
Doug
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or Hawaiian nationalists/insurgents.
No need, at the period we largely play in Hawaii was an independant kingdom, recognised as such and forbidden from invasion (other than openly declared war of course) due to signed treaties. The Kingdom of Hawaii is something I've considered a few times as an alternative to say British involvement. They had very close ties to Britain in the later part of the 19thC, largely as a block to the demands of the US. If you don't want British troops, you could use Kingdom of Hawaii troops as 'proxy' forces with British support in the way of steam tech etc.
(http://www.ipufarm.com/photos/King_Kalakaua.jpg)
(http://archives.starbulletin.com/1999/06/16/millennium/arti.jpg)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ea/Royal_Guards_of_Hawaii.jpg/800px-Royal_Guards_of_Hawaii.jpg)
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hhhhhuuuuuuuuuuummmmm you could have non nation states or rebel groups such as
- expoler company for and againist all motived my sceince and discovery- allows the fielding or wierd science and generic troops
-large company such as the east india company or your own e.g. insert object or direction, insert country or place and company = company name
-wierd relgious cult
-rebel groups fealing earth to return and liberate their homaland from their imperial overlord
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The OP already eliminated both.
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I think your elimination of the Turks is perhaps a bit hasty. Not that many people are doing Turks. Although I would love to eventually. Certainly more Japanese out there than Turks, I think.
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As the OP (and an American) I wanted something other than the US because I wanted smaller powers (although one can argue the US was a smaller power then.)
I will consider what you say about Turkey being a possibility.
Gracias,
Glenn
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The Kingdoms of Aethiopia and Siam
unconquered empires of their own, modern army, regional power, etc
otherwise China and Japan of course.
the usual European colonial powers are boring evidently
maybe a colony of Ruritania?
why not FFL? just curious....
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hhhhhuuuuuuuuuuummmmm you could have non nation states or rebel groups such as
- expoler company for and againist all motived my sceince and discovery- allows the fielding or wierd science and generic troops
-large company such as the east india company or your own e.g. insert object or direction, insert country or place and company = company name
-wierd relgious cult
-rebel groups fealing earth to return and liberate their homaland from their imperial overlord
Really like the first idea. The 'large company', as in your example, tends to be indistinguishable from mother country, as it's oft their troops covering things. To some extent the same for 'the oppressed', though we see plenty of CSA and Fenians in posts as stand-alones.
The Kingdoms of Aethiopia and Siam
unconquered empires of their own, modern army, regional power, etc
otherwise China and Japan of course.
the usual European colonial powers are boring evidently
maybe a colony of Ruritania?
why not FFL? just curious....
Would definitely change the flavor or campaign, I'd think. Mayhaps he'll let in a few once the setting is, er, settled. :D
Doug
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The Kingdoms of Aethiopia and Siam
unconquered empires of their own, modern army, regional power, etc
otherwise China and Japan of course.
the usual European colonial powers are boring evidently
maybe a colony of Ruritania?
why not FFL? just curious....
I wanted to avoid the Bigger powers since I had Spain there already miniature wise. That meant France (and FFL) were out as were the named countries in the OP.
Gracias,
Glenn
As above I wanted (initially at least to avoid
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1) No British, French (especially FFL,) American, Ottoman, Russian, or Prussian troops should apply ;) Already done by too many others...
2) I already am thinking Austro-Hungarian for one other nation but a third would be [perfect for triangular competitions.]
3) Latin American nations would have great potential but Asian ones such as China or even Japan would certainly be considered.
4) Minor European powers and Middle Eastern nations would be happily considered.
5) Pacific oceanic nations or African probably would need a "back story" to justify - please provide an example if you suggest one of them such as Fiji, or Hawaiian nationalists/insurgents.
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This was my OP and I wanted Third Tier colonizing nations and nations that were not going to become Superpowers later in "reality" history. I really considered the USA but thought that it wasn't a initial choice that I was comfortable with including (although it has been pointed out that the SAW would be an interesting war if the Spanish had significant VSF capability like Submarines and Aerial forces that the US didn't.)
Gracias,
Glenn
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I understand, but I was referring to the "especially" not FFL statement
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I understand, but I was referring to the "especially" not FFL statement
In part because of the identification of the FFL as an arm of French Colonial power projection. That was the main reason.
In part because I wanted the Spanish Foreign Legion predecessor units to be the only "La Legion" in the game. The SFL was organized around 1920, fielded for combat around 1920 for the Riff War of that era, and currently is involved in Peacekeeping missions. Caveat - Wikipedia link - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Legion
Garcias,
Glenn
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So no to Hawaii then ;)
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Free Norway.
:D
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Free Norway.
;)
with every special order ?
:~}
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How about using Venus as the C17th Caribbean of space?
Spanish - main power - a small French and British enclave (but French prone to rebellion and both swept by disease) - and an assortment of semi-independent privateers/pirate types. Follow Hollywood rather than history, that would add in Chinese pirates and undead. Lots of storms, natural disasters, exotic creatures, and anarchy.
Add in whalers (or equivalent) hunting creatures on Venus or some kind of large interstallar creature.
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So no to Hawaii then ;)
lol
Gracias,
Glenn
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How about using Venus as the C17th Caribbean of space?
Spanish - main power - a small French and British enclave (but French prone to rebellion and both swept by disease) - and an assortment of semi-independent privateers/pirate types. Follow Hollywood rather than history, that would add in Chinese pirates and undead. Lots of storms, natural disasters, exotic creatures, and anarchy.
Add in whalers (or equivalent) hunting creatures on Venus or some kind of large interstallar creature.
Probably won't go there but I admit I like it...
Gracias,
Glenn
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with every special order ?
:~}
What? I did it - it doesn't mean that I am the only person who can. Nothing wrong with more Norwegians in the Solar System.
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How about the Sultan of Sulu. Moros, South Sea Pirates, far eastern Muslem regular troops, maybe even some African, Afgan, or Arab mercinaries.
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How about the Sultan of Sulu. Moros, South Sea Pirates, far eastern Muslem regular troops, maybe even some African, Afgan, or Arab mercinaries.
There was this local power in Brunei that gave Spain fits in the 1500s/1600s...
That actually has merit as it gives my Moros a second purpose in games.
Will certainly consider that option.
Gracias,
Glenn
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Several of the various South Sea island states imported Indian, Arab, or African "slave soldiers" for personal or palace guards. They considered them more reliable, because if they failed in their duties they couldn't just fade away in the local population. You could even throw in some Baluchies or Askaries.
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I think the bavarians are the nation you looking for. The y are supported by the wurtemberger and the hessians. They local leader is the well known Ludwig von Schweinsteiger and his military leader Alfred Müller.
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Okay, someone has to say it...
And you can bring in the Illuminati!
Oh, wait, they're always in the deep background, aren't they.
Doug
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the idea of some slaveholding arab power like Zanzibar could work...
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Okay, I know NOTHING about this; haven't even followed the link, or dug out my copy of I&EF, but sounds crazy enough to qualify as a not-'merican. :?
Strangely, I think there was a Knights of Araby rule set from Two Hour Wargames, but I don't recall it being anything to do with this.
Doug
As posted on the S1889 Yahoo! group:
There is actually a minicampaign with these guys in ronclads and [E]ther [F]lyers
> Hi All,
>
> Sorry to have been out of the loop for so long, and apologies if this has come
up before, but I had a question: has anyone ever heard of the "Knights of
Arabia"? This was supposedly a "Confederado" group that attempted to seize Haiti
in RL, post ACW. I thought they would make a great foil for Venus.
>
> I found this gem at Gutenberg Press:
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/3029/3029-h/3029-h.htm in the first chapter of
"Real Soldiers of Fortune".....
>
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Okay, I know NOTHING about this; haven't even followed the link, or dug out my copy of I&EF, but sounds crazy enough to qualify as a not-'merican. :?
Strangely, I think there was a Knights of Araby rule set from Two Hour Wargames, but I don't recall it being anything to do with this.
Doug
As posted on the S1889 Yahoo! group:
There is actually a minicampaign with these guys in ronclads and [E]ther [F]lyers
> Hi All,
>
> Sorry to have been out of the loop for so long, and apologies if this has come
up before, but I had a question: has anyone ever heard of the "Knights of
Arabia"? This was supposedly a "Confederado" group that attempted to seize Haiti
in RL, post ACW. I thought they would make a great foil for Venus.
>
> I found this gem at Gutenberg Press:
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/3029/3029-h/3029-h.htm in the first chapter of
"Real Soldiers of Fortune".....
>
Almost speechless.
:o
Gracias,
Glenn
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Almost speechless.
:o
Gracias,
Glenn
Yeah, if that's just the first chapter...
Doug
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If Venus is a steaming jungle, use the nations that did a lot of Steaming Jungle Colonization back in the day - Spain, Portugal and Belgium for starters. I would have suggested Germany/Prussia as well, but since they are already done a lot and busy on Mars, how about Austor-Hungary as a replacement?
Wheil I can see not bringing in America or Britain, I would sguuest some independent merchant-adventurers from those two nations as possible factions.
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Anyone who wants to download "Real Soldiers Pf Fortune" by Richard Harding Davis, you will find various formats of this book(including Kindle formatted) available for free download at manybooks.net.
http://manybooks.net/titles/davisricetext02resof11.html (http://manybooks.net/titles/davisricetext02resof11.html)
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If Venus is a steaming jungle, use the nations that did a lot of Steaming Jungle Colonization back in the day - Spain, Portugal and Belgium for starters. I would have suggested Germany/Prussia as well, but since they are already done a lot and busy on Mars, how about Austor-Hungary as a replacement?
Wheil I can see not bringing in America or Britain, I would sguuest some independent merchant-adventurers from those two nations as possible factions.
My protagonist force is Spanish.
For antagonists I am looking at Austro-Hungarian troops from the Maximillian Adventure (Gringo40) but the Portuguese might be a natural - sources for uniforms/figures?
Gracias,
Glenn
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Portuguese might be a natural - sources for uniforms/figures?
See my post on Page 1 of this thread.
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See my post on Page 1 of this thread.
Ah, yes! I see it (now) again!
Gracias,
Glenn
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So Eureka has four poses.
Interesting.
I wonder if they plan any more poses?
Gracias,
Glenn
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Portugal! They traditionally hate the spaniards (like we hate the french...)
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The king of portugal fled to Brazil for a while, and was hated there, plus was very ineffective. If he took his really rich royal entourage to venus, along with a whole load of shanty jugle tribe/slave hordes and rebel jungle dwellers, you could do some fun models. SPace aeroneff pulling shanty style shacks made from rare brazillian "float wood". YOu could muscle in some capoeiristas too. Great unarmed close combat, but you also need a load of strange instruments to get them to work. So units that consist of a musical "battery" with few extremely elite close unarmoured combat. Could be fun.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_VI_of_Portugal
His wife, a Spaniard, even conspired against him, so that would make for some great plot hooks!
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Ehtiopia?
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b5/EthiopiaAdvance.jpg)
It's always been independant as far as I know. With a nice mix of traditional dress with christian and muslim designs to choose from.
No doubt you could have some elements of 'modernised' uniforms in their as well to represent the emperors guard or something.
Certain African armies also developed acute canoe fighting as well, mixing well with the skiffs you get on mars as far as I know.
Fairly tempted by the whole idea myself now... and I don't even game VSF, though that may change! :)
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how about a poll?
I think this discussion is starting to turn in circles....
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how about a poll?
I think this discussion is starting to turn in circles....
No! :-X
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Looks like the guy in the front of the picture just got shot in the ass lol
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how about a poll?
I think this discussion is starting to turn in circles....
I don't do polls for my Venus setting although I do listen to good reasoning!
Definitely will include Austro-Hungarians and eventually almost certainly Portuguese.
Gracias,
Glenn