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Miniatures Adventure => Age of Myths, Gods and Empires => Topic started by: nicknorthstar on August 18, 2013, 09:27:25 PM
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The 5th book from Osprey Wargames is coming out in November. It's a warband game, where you are a God, with a band of your mythical creatures and historical followers, taking on other Gods and their bunch.
North Star are doing an official range of Gods and creatures for the game. We are also planning to launch a Nickstarter pre-order program for this range, and details will be released soon.
I've been sharing some of the first photos on Facebook, have a look here:
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.627883380573901.1073741826.218634441498799&type=3
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1185257_669310103097895_417893487_n.jpg)
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Hercules could put your eye out with a weapon like that ;) ;D
Lovely models and cracking painting
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Wow, those are some awesome models and painting.
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I'm in, can't wait!
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I'm quite excited for this...but some of the figures are looking a little meh (I'm talking about you Minotaur)
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The Minotaur is a Foundry model that snuck into the pic it's from the 'Theseus and the Minotaur' pack.
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The Minotaur is Foundry.
Our 'Official' figures so far are listed here:
http://northstarfigures.com/list.php?man=159&page=1
I hope these are not considered average (I refrain from using the m word). :)
Because OGAM is such a big project design wise, we agreed with Osprey to just make the Gods and selected 'legendary' characters, and that you build the rest of your warbands from existing historical and fantasy ranges. We'll be for example promoting the Crusader Vikings and Greeks to go with the game, but they will not be in anyway 'official'.
But the only figures you'll see in boxes alongside the rulebook in shops are the Gods and Legends.
I think the God figures are the most difficult to source, and that is why we will hopefully have 8 different ones available in the end. Building the rest of the warbands will be an enjoyable challenge sourcing suitable figures from the figures you have and the ranges available out there.
Nick
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i think there the best yet Nick superb stuff and idea i am very impressed with the miniatures and if its SOBH style im hooked..
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The rules will be immediately familiar to anyone who has played SOBH, but it's not just SOBH with a different cover!
The game focuses on warbands led by a god, accompanied by individual legends (heroes, monsters etc.) and small units of mortal troops. A sample Norse army from the book includes:
- Thor, Fenrir, a Dvergar Weaponsmith, two Valkyries, a unit of 8 berserkers and a unit of 4 skirmishers
While an army's god is the most powerful character they have (usually), they're not omnipotent, and rely as much on the faith of their followers as the mortals do on the power of their god in battle. So a victory requires gods, legends and mortals to work together in harmony.
The core book includes sample Greek, Celtic, Egyptian and Norse pantheons, as well as a full unit builder. That's a total list of character profiles for 37 gods, 45 legends and 53 mortal unit types.
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Wow, looking forward to this!
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Iīm very excited,looks great. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Sounds quite interesting and a great choice for some of us historical players. I have Viking and Greek figures already so its good to hear I can just add Gods and rumble.
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It sounds reminiscent of the Wargods series by Crocodile. With the basis being the Song of Blades engine, will there still be group activations etc? I'll be interested to have a look at the rules for sure!
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Looks great! :D
@nick. Are the Celtic 'werewolves' new sculpts or are they from an existing range? If so, which one?
@Smith. How large can a group of mortals be? Is it down to their type? Berserker, skirmisher, warrior etc?
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Yes, the activation system remains more or less intact.
Mortal units are made up of 48 figures, determined by player choice. The one real exception to that rule is that some units have the Rare (X) trait, where X is the total number that can be fielded. So Rare (8) would give you the option of two units of 4 or a single unit of 48 figures.
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The were-wolves are really old Harlequin Miniatures, sculpted by the terrible and ancient Tony Ackland. Not sure if anyone does them anymore.
I used that photo because it's not in the book.
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(https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/1148820_669310073097898_1653910698_n.jpg)
This is the photo. It's Cernunnos bringing his Celts against Thor's Norse. The Duergar, Cernunnos and Fenris Wolf are official OGAM (Of Gods and Mortals) figures. The Norse in the background are a mix of Crusader and Artizan Vikings and the Celt hero is an old Alternative Armies Celt. I mentioned the were-wolves before, what is of note is I actually painted those, a rare occurance, and it was just to a gaming standard. I did them for a LotR project, they were to be Sauronic were-wolves.
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The were-wolves are really old Harlequin Miniatures, sculpted by the terrible and ancient Tony Ackland. Not sure if anyone does them anymore.
Looks like they're still available through Blacktree
http://www.blacktreedesign.com/uk/product.php?productid=24098&cat=2393&page=4
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I've heard too much about them to order though lol
Based in Texas with a Cornish address ???
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Based in Texas with a Cornish address ???
Wow, just read the FAQ that talks about that! You're order might be shipped from both the US and UK..... Okay....
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Thanks Nick. :D
I might just risk ordering them. It's something I can tell the grand kids about...
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Got the werewolves and they're not bad. I believe those were part of a never realised Slaine range Harlequin were supposed to do.
The fenris wolf looks great!
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Wasn't the Slaine range Fantasy Forge, from the same period? 'Cus by co-incidence, we've got the Fomorian moulds from that range and we're going to sell them as part of the OGAM Celt faction :o
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Wasn't the Slaine range Fantasy Forge, from the same period? 'Cus by co-incidence, we've got the Fomorian moulds from that range and we're going to sell them as part of the OGAM Celt faction :o
Pleaase please tell me that the Slough Feg mini is part of that release! :-*
And BTD has a US distributor that has done a great job w/ all my orders. I've heard the UK one has improved considerably as well.
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Ares, Fenris and Cernunnos are lookin' good. :) (Even if once again, a mini sculptor doesn't get hooves. ;D )
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There is a correct way to sculpt a Celtic God's hooves? ???
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Wasn't the Slaine range Fantasy Forge, from the same period? 'Cus by co-incidence, we've got the Fomorian moulds from that range and we're going to sell them as part of the OGAM Celt faction :o
Yay!! Good news. All Roy Eastland sculpts? Can't find any reference anymore about Harlequin/Slaine neither here or on FU! UK. :/ but I'm sure I read it somewhere.
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I've heard too much about them to order though lol
Based in Texas with a Cornish address ???
Black Tree was awarded a position on my personal shit list several years ago. I have not heard enough good about them since then to take them off it.
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That Cernunnos is fantastic! Gonna have to grab one when they release.
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Has any thought been given thought to playing battles within a pantheon rather than pantheon versus pantheon? For instance I would be very interested in playing Ragnarok or Celtic gods versus Fomorians, or Olympians vs Titans. Otherwise isn't this just a rehash of Wargods? What's different about this game that should make me want to play it instead of that (other than the awesome figures)?
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OGAM is about God on God warfare, it doesn't matter whether it's the same or a different pantheon. The only thing discouraged/ forbidden is using the same God, so two players shouldn't really be playing Thor against Thor.
There are stats for Balor in the book, so you could do a Fomorian V Irish Gods game no problem.
Nick
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Has any thought been given thought to playing battles within a pantheon rather than pantheon versus pantheon? For instance I would be very interested in playing Ragnarok or Celtic gods versus Fomorians, or Olympians vs Titans. Otherwise isn't this just a rehash of Wargods? What's different about this game that should make me want to play it instead of that (other than the awesome figures)?
I think you may have that back-to-front Wargods was designed to play battles within a single pantheon, while OGAM is designed to be able to do that AND to have multi-pantheon battles. In that respect, it's more versatile than Wargods. OGAM is also based on the myths and legends themselves, rather than being a fantasy interpretation of the mythology so you actually bring Anubis to the table, not just a couple of dozen guys that look like him.
All the major gods and legends for the four pantheons are present, and any that aren't can be created in about 3 minutes flat with the unit builder in the book. So, for example, statting up Cronus as a God character for use in a Titanomachy game:
He's powerful, but not a war deity, so that puts him in the Q2 C4 crowd 50pts. Adding Traits, Ambusher (3pts) seems appropriate, as does Group Fighter (8pts), Hammering Blow (10pts) to represent his sickle, Huge (3pts) obviously, and Tremble Before My Might (10pts). Total 84pts
As he's a God, this points total is quadrupled for his final points cost: 336pts (legends are x2, mortals x1)
Cronus (336pts)
Q2 / C4
Ambusher, Group Fighter, Hammering Blow, Huge, Tremble Before My Might
For context, that makes him the same cost as Ares, and 6 points less than Zeus, so he's right up there with the big dogs!
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https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.627883380573901.1073741826.218634441498799&type=3
I've added to the gallery on Facebook images of the free figures that will be part of the Nickstarter offer we'll be launching very soon.
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So in most standard games can we expect forces to be between 20-30 miniatures then?
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Less than that.
The armies should be 900pts, this is a Celtic Force we put together from the sample lists:
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/1238148_672303819465190_360958417_n.jpg)
It consists of a God, 4 Legendary creatures and 14 mortals.
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ooh like the Banshee
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Hey that's my Banshee, cool, I didn't think it got used. :D
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Great. :D
Time to go through the lead pile and dig out some mortals ready for this.
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Nice, simple and easy warbands to make!
How exactly does the Nickstarter work then, and when does it 'start'?
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Nick, when is the "OGAMNORSE - Norse Deal Please" available incl. the Duergar Blacksmith? Just wanted to order, it says out of stock?
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Less than that.
The armies should be 900pts, this is a Celtic Force we put together from the sample lists:
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/1238148_672303819465190_360958417_n.jpg)
It consists of a God, 4 Legendary creatures and 14 mortals.
What an awesome army!
Gorgeous, and it just oozes character.
:-*
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We are putting the pieces together to begin the Nickstarter. I just need our Kev to design the page saying what it's all about, and we'll begin!
I'll post on LAF first of all to say we've begun, oh course.
Nick
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Will the models on your website with no current picture of the miniature have such pictures when your fundraiser starts? Its hard to want to buy something without knowing what it looks like first. ;)
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Can you share a bit more detail about the Fomorians? Will they be a full faction? What figures are you using?
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I have a feeling the Fomarians might be the old Fantasy Forge one's.From the same range as the Slaine miniature Rob.
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Yes, I'll have all the pictures soon. The OGAM pages on the website are 'work in progress' which is why you can't buy anything yet.
The Fomorians are indeed the old FF figures. Fomorians are a 'mortal' unit you can have in a Celt faction, so that's why I'm going to add a unit of them. I think the idea is if you have Balor as your God figure, you can build up a Fomorian army as your Celt Faction. Could be a great little scenario, the Battle of Moy Tura, you'd need a more Tuatha de Danann God opponent than Cernunnos though. I used to have two Hordes armies for that battle, made up of AA Celtic Myth figures, misplaced them over time unfortunately.
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This is the Egyptian Faction we put together.
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/1234089_673485966013642_531090628_n.jpg)
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The Fomorians are indeed the old FF figures. Fomorians are a 'mortal' unit you can have in a Celt faction, so that's why I'm going to add a unit of them. I think the idea is if you have Balor as your God figure, you can build up a Fomorian army as your Celt Faction. Could be a great little scenario, the Battle of Moy Tura, you'd need a more Tuatha de Danann God opponent than Cernunnos though.
Now that has got me interested, looking forward to seeing the pictures. Presumably you can stat Lugh or Nuada as a God Chief
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Does it matter if you use round or square bases for your forces?
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Have a sudden hankering to do an Egyptian force based around Sherden Guard, hope they're in it!
Will you be making just 1 god per faction at the start Nick?
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Presumably you can stat Lugh or Nuada as a God Chief
No need both are already in the rulebook as gods, so they're good to go. If you want to change their traits, feel free just work backwards with the army builder.
Does it matter if you use round or square bases for your forces?
Not at all. The rules do suggest using square bases for close-order mortal units (so they can rank up), but that's nothing that can't be achieved with round bases if you prefer.
Have a sudden hankering to do an Egyptian force based around Sherden Guard, hope they're in it!
Yes they are.
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I suppose it depends on what period of his 'life' Set is in, but to me he should be leading Sea Peoples, Nubians and Babylonian troops into battle, not Egyptians. Of course, that's me being awkward :D
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And Hyksos... gotta love the Hyksos.
Actually, that'd make a really interesting OGAM army... Set, a solid block of infantry, a couple of chariots, some skirmishers, and a couple of desert beasties. Fast-moving, good ranged combat, solid melee...
I might have to rethink my plans. Again.
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And Hyksos... gotta love the Hyksos.
Good point, they'd fit the definition pretty well for Set's legions.
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You're just a trouble maker, you provided the Egyptians lol
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The author has posted some sample armies on his Facebook group 'Song of Blades and Heroes'
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The Greek Faction we put together for 'Of Gods and Mortals'
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1150252_674023412626564_781943991_n.jpg)
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You're just a trouble maker, you provided the Egyptians lol
It keeps the conversation alive :D
Besides, I didn't have any of the others with the right weapons and they wouldn't have been an instantly recognisable Egyptian force then. Wouldn't be an issue if you'd sculpted Horus ;) lol
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@Nick. Do you intend to provide any other gods except the first four? I suppose it'll depend on sales?
I'd like to see Hades with Cerberus. ;D
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Pretty sure earlier in the thread Nick said 8 gods.
Edit: Nothing to see here, move along ;)
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Close, but no cigar:
I think the God figures are the most difficult to source, and that is why we will hopefully have 8 different ones available in the end.
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Ah, 8. Knew I should have read the whole thread. ::)
Any hints as to who else is to come?
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I have a feeling the Fomarians might be the old Fantasy Forge one's.From the same range as the Slaine miniature Rob.
Are there pics of this range, either the old version or the re-release? I think I have a few, but I'm not sure, with all the Celtos, Kronos, AA, etc. that I have in the pile... ::)
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Not yet, I'll be getting castings to our Kev to photograph this week.
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First IHMN, now this!
Damn you Nick & Osprey, damn you all to heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeellllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
I'm going to have to take out another mortgage to pay for all the new toys. Oh hang, cheap rulebook, use my existing models with one or two others........
Woohoo I'm in!
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This is the Norse Faction we put together to play Of Gods and Mortals. There should actually be 2 Valkyries to make up 900 points.
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/1234970_675953065766932_1822747193_n.jpg)
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Another lovely warband!
Just out of curiosity, the greek deal contains hercules, perseus, and medusa. Would it not be counter productive to have perseus and medusa in the same warband, since, you know, perseus killed her and all? Wouldn't there be hard feelings with the beheading and such?
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lol :-X :D
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In order to keep things focussed please refer to this thread (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=57874.0) for further discussion. Meanwhile this topic's closed.