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Miniatures Adventure => VSF Adventures => Topic started by: tnjrp on September 19, 2013, 11:21:14 AM
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Yet another KS to shake a stick at. Or to pledge for as you prefer. Tin Man's a small operation at present but they are going to expand their line now.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1331568821/tin-man-miniatures-campaign-2013
Nice enough greens and concepts, metal minis and they are iconic (read: "busty" in the case of females)! Might've caved in at something even, but shame about the p&p fees... :-I
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Honestly scale and style don't appeal to me (I have bought Tin Man figures before) at my pre-retirement stage of life.
I hope they do well, there are some good ideas implied in their write-up but the actual figures will make the difference between success and failure to get the funding.
Gracias,
Glenn
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With the withdrawal of the Bronze Age range Tin Man minis are the only 'Barsoomian humans' ones available (Parroom Station / Space:1889 Martians are non-humans) and very good they look
(though slightly converted Raging Heroes Fantasy (NOT Sci-Fi) Blood Vestals (http://www.ragingheroes.com/collections/complete-collection/products/blood-vestals) could provide a fitting Maiden Guard for Tin Man Princess Livia).
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John is one the few true artists working in miniatures these days and I look forward to seeing what develops with this Kickstarter. I have one of the Wild Ride sets sitting on my desk just waiting for a little extra time to build it. It's an amazing piece.
Best of luck to Tin Man!
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John is one the few true artists working in miniatures these days<snip>
Wow, considering what we are seeing in the market today I think that is a pretty strong statement.
Gracias,
Glenn
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Wow, considering what we are seeing in the market today I think that is a pretty strong statement.
Gracias,
Glenn
Please don't misunderstand me, there are some truly talented sculptors in the industry these days and calling John a true artist has more to do with his personality and way of looking at sculpting than it does as any sort of challenge. There is a balance and grace to his pieces that I often don't find with other sculptors, traits that I believe would be just as successful in larger scale bronzes as they are in pewter. So allow me to soften my strong statement by saying that I respond to his work and that's enough for me.
No hay de qué,
Brian
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I really like the Tin Man line and I'm happy to see them adding more figures.
THANKS
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Love the Empress!
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Please don't misunderstand me, there are some truly talented sculptors in the industry these days and calling John a true artist has more to do with his personality and way of looking at sculpting than it does as any sort of challenge. There is a balance and grace to his pieces that I often don't find with other sculptors, traits that I believe would be just as successful in larger scale bronzes as they are in pewter. So allow me to soften my strong statement by saying that I respond to his work and that's enough for me.
No hay de qué,
Brian
Hopefully my comments did not take on a militant or harsh edge because that was not the intent. :o
Yes, I agree his sculpts don't look like many "Military Miniatures sculpts" (as great as some of them are in many cases) but his work is very... perhaps, organic? :) That doesn't seem quite right but is the best I can come up with right now. :?
BTW, your response made me think of this: http://forum.wordreference.com/showthread.php?t=622441 about language and meaning. :) lol
Gracias,
Glenn
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That's an interesting KS, i bought Tin Man miniatures in the past and they where really well done and nicely casted.
But I wonder if I need more princesses, Plant man and canis are tempting, and for gaming purposes would be cool to include some male figures.
Lets see how evolves, looks promising.
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What scale are these normally in?
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And by the art comments, what I think some of you are trying to get at is that John has a very good grasp of motion and weight in sculpture. His figures are lively and animated with great poses and good proportion. Well, except for one particular aspect of female anatomy, which he tends to, ah, exaggerate a tad. ;)
Capturing anatomy is one thing, but a mastery of weight and motion generally indicates some classical training in sculpture.
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What scale are these normally in?
On average they are just a tad bit taller than my Copplestone and Artizan figures. I'd say the Tim Man scale is a 30mm-32mm range.
Mila uses them for her Venusian Amazons, so the extra height is perfectly fine.
HAVE FUN
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...for gaming purposes would be cool to include some male figures.
I agree. I can't consider pledging to this until I see some figures I'd actually use in a game. I like scantily-clad, well endowed females as much as the next earthling, but I won't put money down for them. An alternate Carter sculpt or some male Martian warriors would make me reach for my wallet, considering the excellent quality of the other tinman sculpts I have purchased.
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I took a comparison picture for you guys, manufacturers from left to right:
wargames foundry, Tin Man, Artizan, Bronce Age, Tin Man, Artizan
(http://i1107.photobucket.com/albums/h382/donpimpom/post/DSCN7906_zpsf7b501d1.jpg)
They should be around 30mm suit well with the other barsoom like models from Bronze Age, and other retro scifi miniatures like Hydra miniatures for instance (sadly I forgot to rank a Hydra model)
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With the withdrawal of the Bronze Age range Tin Man minis are the only 'Barsoomian humans' ones available (Parroom Station / Space:1889 Martians are non-humans) and very good they look
(though slightly converted Raging Heroes Fantasy (NOT Sci-Fi) Blood Vestals (http://www.ragingheroes.com/collections/complete-collection/products/blood-vestals) could provide a fitting Maiden Guard for Tin Man Princess Livia).
Whoa Nelly! A bit of mis-information there, eh?! :-[
Somebody was spreading this rumour on TMP as well. ???
Bronze Age has retired some of their older sculpts with the over-thick bases. But they are being replaced by new sculpts. The new range isn't [yet] as big as it was but the new sculpts have been online since the summer.
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They should be around 30mm suit well with the other barsoom like models from Bronze Age, and other retro scifi miniatures like Hydra miniatures for instance (sadly I forgot to rank a Hydra model)
Addition of Hydra fig would have been appreciated, but this is excellent! Thanks so much!
Now, if anyone cares to point me to comparison shots tween not-Tharks, I can cogitate on how to mix and match. Old, young, healthy, death's door, etc.
Whoa Nelly! A bit of mis-information there, eh?! :-[
Somebody was spreading this rumour on TMP as well. ???
Bronze Age has retired some of their older sculpts with the over-thick bases. But they are being replaced by new sculpts. The new range isn't [yet] as big as it was but the new sculpts have been online since the summer.
Well, was the impression I had, not just with recent posts, and glad I am to have it quelled. I've whined elsewhere how much I regret failing to let my bro' know I wanted his before he sold them. And, they were already painted[well]!
Still, unless you're in the antipodes (Utah, right?), we're yet in 'the summer', so still news.
Doug
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Now, if anyone cares to point me to comparison shots tween not-Tharks, I can cogitate on how to mix and match. Old, young, healthy, death's door, etc.
Well, I don't have them here, but the Bronze Age and Tin Man versions of them are very different in size and bulk. I would rate the Tin Man version a slim teenager compared to a hulking Bronze Age adlult.
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Well, I don't have them here, but the Bronze Age and Tin Man versions of them are very different in size and bulk. I would rate the Tin Man version a slim teenager compared to a hulking Bronze Age adlult.
Thanks, my recollection as well, but comparison of memories is a dangerous thing. ;)
Doug
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Finally a KS that understands my needs. I'll be in for the "Every Woman" pledge level as soon as payday rolls around. Between Tank Girl on Frothers and Akkies SF minis I'm blowing my budget.
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John just posted new artwork for the Sisterhood Assassins.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-kZuPF2qmFRI/UkMYUspQtXI/AAAAAAAAAOo/mRYvJltJFnM/s1600/SisterhoodSM.jpg)
http://johnwintersculpting.blogspot.com/2013/09/here-is-artwork-by-carlos-gomez-that.html
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I hope this funds! John is one of the best sculptors of the female form out there! :-*
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Spread the word chaps! Only 13 days and this is only about 25% funded. I need bosomy Martian women to paint.
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I'd been holding out, so I just threw in for the couple I'd like.
For the add-ons, do we just email later which ones we want? I put in $25, for the "Two ladies" and another $5 for Rocketman.
The international shipping is really rough though. $15. Ouch. USPS ought to be able to ship that for $10 or even less. Well, to Canada anyway. I'm sure it costs more for other countries.
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I also do some Barsoomish minis in my range wwwspacevixensfrommars.com including six-limbed Martian
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Not to be too rude or anything, but it's sort of not-classy to advertise your own figures in a thread whose purpose is drumming up business for another man's kickstarter, you know?
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Not to be too rude or anything, but it's sort of not-classy to advertise your own figures in a thread whose purpose is drumming up business for another man's kickstarter, you know?
I hear what you're saying,but the discussion did veer to what Warlord of Mas figs were still available. Fair comment from Gary
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Fair. I didn't think it was outright terrible or anything, but sort of borderline.
Maybe it wouldn't have come off so bad if it wasn't right after a post about how the KS campaign is faltering. I feel bad for John... there hasn't been a new pledge since mine yesterday and the campaign deserves better.
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I have some tin man minis. Really nice sculpts. Not backing this though as I have all I need. I hope it funds too.
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Definitely some lovely figures. :-*
I'm hoping to see more backers join in this project.
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One week to go.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1331568821/tin-man-miniatures-campaign-2013
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Its not looking good for this kickstarter. Kicktraq predictions are grim. I still think they went about this backwards; give us squads of martian soldiers and cool character models, then throw in the sexy nudie gals as stretch goals. I need Martian infantry, I got enough nudie gals already. I hope Tinman tries this kickstarter again with the goals and offerings reorganised so as to be more successful. Sorry if I seem like a naysayer calling this KS dead before the finish line. I hope I'm wrong :?
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Eh, it'll be tough to figure out. I have no use for the squads, and would rather have a few individual figures, which is what I pledged for.
I'm actually very sick of kickstarters with one or two nice exclusive figures that you can only obtain by pledging heavily. I'm willing to pay a premium in many cases for a figure that supposed to be a special reward etc., but not $50, $100 or whatever for a squad of guys I have absolutely no use for, then scrambling later to try and buy the exclusive figure secondhand (trying this right now with the forthcoming Hell Dorado Twilight Knight). That situation is enormously frustrating, almost as bad as random figure packs.
Anyway, I hope John can retool a bit and perhaps launch a new KS campaign. If people do want squds, then clearly a few should be on offer as base level choices rather than unlocks.
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Ending soon.
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As expected for the past week or so, this didn't come off, but John's going to retool the campaign and do a new one soon enough.
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As expected for the past week or so, this didn't come off, but John's going to retool the campaign and do a new one soon enough.
It's unfortunate that this wasn't funded, but I do hope he moves forward with some of these figures.
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Take two is underway:
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1331568821/lost-worlds-princesses-and-more-mars-barsoom
P&p to U-rope is still unearthly :?
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Take two is underway:
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1331568821/lost-worlds-princesses-and-more-mars-barsoom
P&p to U-rope is still unearthly :?
Cool, I'm glad they're giving it another go.
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P&p to U-rope is still unearthly :?
Postage for a 3oz bubble mailer is $8.88 to most of Europe. Our post office decided at the beginning of the year to raise international small package shipping by 70%. It's frustrating to ship someone a single miniature and have the shipping cost more than the mini. But it's the harsh reality at this point.
We need teleporters.
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We need teleporters.
/Agreed
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My comments on it from yesterday:
Looks good, but a large number of figures have been stripped out of this. It was explained that they will be added in as soon as the project funds, but nothing about the other "coming soon" minis, like the princess, the other sisterhood assassins, etc. .
This time, I think I'll hold off until it hits the minimum and we see what's unlocked, but I'll probably buy in again.
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What scale are these normally in?
(http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll111/wamasaka/Mini%202010/MiniaturenfotosOriginale172.jpg)
Ikore Artizan Tinman Tinman Hasslefree Copplestone Freebooter Copplestone BlackScorpion
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It's frustrating to ship someone a single miniature and have the shipping cost more than the mini
I suppose it is at that. Regardless of that, it has to be a very nice ca. 30mm miniature indeed to get $18 from me. Crossover managed to work around the problem in his Minions KS by (a) offering sets so there was no huge overhead per miniature and (b) presumably by absorbing about half the p&p cost at his end (his lowest pledge was $4 for p&p). Point (a) doesn't really help tho when base cost per miniature is about $10 so that basically leaves option (b) to get any money at all from me. Sad but true.
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There are plenty of KS projects I do not back because the shipping cost plus inevitable import duties makes them prohibitively costly and no better than waiting till they're on general release a year later. Happens all the time. However, I do understand the situation they're in and it's not great.
If you pay $18 for a figure, then $9 of that is postage, never mind packing materials and staff time. Then there are KS and Amazon transaction processing fees before you even think about paying for the concepting, sculpting and casting time or material cost of the figure itself. And then you should amortise something of you general running costs if you want to work out a realistic profit, which I doubt is going to amount to a lot. If he eats some of the shipping cost himself then he's basically paying you to take the figures.
So yes, shipping is a pain for the end user, but it loses plenty of sales for the project and isn't fun for them either.
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That's part of the reason I'm hanging on. I'm used to buying pricier minis, so I don't balk at $10 or $15 per mini if they're really nice, but paying the same again for shipping stings. If he brings back the models from last time, then I'll get three, or even more minis, so the shipping hit doesn't feel as bad.
In any case, this one's looking good so far. They're already close to 4/5ths funded, so this one should at least get off the ground.
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Ayup, looks like this one is going all the way. :D
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An update has been posted on the Tin Man KS.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1331568821/lost-worlds-princesses-and-more-mars-barsoom/posts
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Good. I'll be in for the chicks. ;)
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They've hit the minimum! Nice. Onward and upward.
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$7000 reached! The Sisterhood Assassin #2 is now unlocked.
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$7000 reached! The Sisterhood Assassin #2 is now unlocked.
Awesome, the assassins look great!
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Trundling along nicely with 5 days to go and $9100 total. Really hoping it hits $10000 so we can get the complete trio of the assassins.
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Only $126 shy of unlocking the 3rd assassin!
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And third assassin unlocked! You can get the complete trio now! :D
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Last day.
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$9 shy of unlocking the Tlaxchotl Warrior. Not bad!
Not that I need any Tharks myself, but that'll be the lot unlocked, offering some good options to people who do want a proper Barsoom game.
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Looks like this is going to see a rather severe setback of at least several months. While Kickstarter fulfillment delays are nothing new, I'm sure, John Winter's had some health problems so I hope he's not too badly off. :?
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I hope he's ok. Excellent sculptor. He has been doing work for Empire of the Petal Throne ranges.
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He's plugging away. There was a recent update with one of the sisterhood assassins mostly completed.
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Sculpts for this are now entirely done! The figures are partly cast and the rest should be done within the next couple of weeks. They haven't given an explicit delivery date yet, but my guess is they'll be able to ship sometime in March, or April at the latest.
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Shipments have started going out! Hooray!
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And I've received my figures. They're beautiful, with lovely clean castings, and an interesting Tin Man wrinkle on basing: The figures have pegs on their feet but an integral base matching the pegs is included with each figure.
Anyway, I expect they will feature in the Tin Man shop once the shipments have all been dealt with. I didn't get any of the Tharks, but I'd say the Tin Man Tharks are the nicest ones on the market and the other figures are all to a similarly excellent standard of sculpting and casting.
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The basing sounds like a real improvement. Pegs are the best option for scenic base or diorama rebasing.