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Title: Underfire Wargaming Sci fi Kyintruto (Gnolls) Empire forces art concepts! page 3
Post by: underfirewargaming on September 28, 2013, 11:48:37 PM: Hello everyone!, I am currently working on setting up my own small miniatures company. I am aiming to produce my ranges both in 15mm sci fi and 28 - 30mm sci fi. I have a planned setting though if all goes well I do plan to run contests of fan artwork and produce ranges voted by the wargaming community at large.

I am aiming to create an interesting and unique range of miniatures mostly based on my in development, however also well priced to be open to all wargamers to be used in any game system they want ;). These current 3D sculpts have been done by none other than Andrea Tarabella himself and his wife Francesca Musumeci. The prints were done by Moddler.

Without further wait here are some images of the firs two master prints, for the Coalition Wulv'man Infantry, they are 38mm in height if standing fully straight.

(http://i1039.photobucket.com/albums/a472/underfire987/IMG_2193.jpg) (http://s1039.photobucket.com/user/underfire987/media/IMG_2193.jpg.html)

(http://i1039.photobucket.com/albums/a472/underfire987/IMG_2192.jpg) (http://s1039.photobucket.com/user/underfire987/media/IMG_2192.jpg.html)

(http://i1039.photobucket.com/albums/a472/underfire987/IMG_2194.jpg) (http://s1039.photobucket.com/user/underfire987/media/IMG_2194.jpg.html)

(http://i1039.photobucket.com/albums/a472/underfire987/IMG_2189.jpg) (http://s1039.photobucket.com/user/underfire987/media/IMG_2189.jpg.html)

(http://i1039.photobucket.com/albums/a472/underfire987/IMG_2194.jpg) (http://s1039.photobucket.com/user/underfire987/media/IMG_2194.jpg.html)

(http://i1039.photobucket.com/albums/a472/underfire987/IMG_2198.jpg) (http://s1039.photobucket.com/user/underfire987/media/IMG_2198.jpg.html)

(http://i1039.photobucket.com/albums/a472/underfire987/IMG_2195.jpg) (http://s1039.photobucket.com/user/underfire987/media/IMG_2195.jpg.html)

(http://i1039.photobucket.com/albums/a472/underfire987/IMG_2196.jpg) (http://s1039.photobucket.com/user/underfire987/media/IMG_2196.jpg.html)

(http://i1039.photobucket.com/albums/a472/underfire987/IMG_2187.jpg) (http://s1039.photobucket.com/user/underfire987/media/IMG_2187.jpg.html)

I look forward to hearing your thoughts on them so far :)!.
Title: Re: Underfire Wargaming first 3D master 38mm prints of Coalition Wulv'man Infantry
Post by: mcfonz on September 29, 2013, 12:14:53 AM: Well I like them quite a bit. Desperate heads is always a good idea. It means if people want am alien race but less wolf a simple head swap and blam. :D
Title: Re: Underfire Wargaming first 3D master 38mm prints of Coalition Wulv'man Infantry
Post by: Predatorpt on September 29, 2013, 01:18:55 AM: You've just won a customer here, for the 28mm figures at least ;)
Title: Re: Underfire Wargaming first 3D master 38mm prints of Coalition Wulv'man Infantry
Post by: Hat Guy on September 29, 2013, 01:41:07 AM: These masters are pretty good, if the quality carries over to the casts, I can't wait to see what you do in the future. :D
Title: Re: Underfire Wargaming first 3D master 38mm prints of Coalition Wulv'man Infantry
Post by: Predatorpt on September 29, 2013, 02:39:11 AM: And if you are taking suggestions - do some civilians Wulv'man. And what about some Lion-themed aliens? ;)

Like the Kilrathi
(http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/kotaku/2010/09/kilrathi.jpg)

or the Aslan from Traveller:
(http://www.freelancetraveller.com/features/reviews/mongoose/aslan.jpg)
Title: Re: Underfire Wargaming first 3D master 38mm prints of Coalition Wulv'man Infantry
Post by: mcfonz on September 29, 2013, 07:41:27 AM: Bloomin tablet! Separate not desperate! >:(
Title: Re: Underfire Wargaming first 3D master 38mm prints of Coalition Wulv'man Infantry
Post by: Dewbakuk on September 29, 2013, 07:58:33 AM: Very cool. I think the first head is a bit plain, not enough definition on the eye lenses, but the other two are great!

Those bodies would work fine with a Lion head.
Title: Re: Underfire Wargaming first 3D master 38mm prints of Coalition Wulv'man Infantry
Post by: fastolfrus on September 29, 2013, 09:19:44 AM: Quote from: Dewbakuk on September 29, 2013, 07:58:33 AM
not enough definition on the eye lenses

I think the eyeless look might be quite sinister.
Internal sensors perhaps. Or an alien that just doesn't need eyes in the conventional sense?
Or a robot?
Title: Re: Underfire Wargaming first 3D master 38mm prints of Coalition Wulv'man Infantry
Post by: Dewbakuk on September 29, 2013, 09:36:20 AM: Quote from: fastolfrus on September 29, 2013, 09:19:44 AM
I think the eyeless look might be quite sinister.
Internal sensors perhaps. Or an alien that just doesn't need eyes in the conventional sense?
Or a robot?

In that case the eye lenses need even less definition so that they aren't there :)
Title: Re: Underfire Wargaming first 3D master 38mm prints of Coalition Wulv'man Infantry
Post by: Elk101 on September 29, 2013, 09:38:38 AM: Really like the sculpts and the separate head idea. The ideas for additional lion heads or similar also appeals. The only thing I'm not so keen on is the name, I'm afraid ::) (not sure if that's the right emoticon but it looked kind of like a 'sorry!' face). I don't know the background to the name so apologies if I'm talking rubbish, but Wulv'man just doesn't seem to capture the 'slickness' or stylishness of the figures, it seems too cartoony, if that makes sense? No offence meant, just a thought! :), the sculpts are great!
Title: Re: Underfire Wargaming first 3D master 38mm prints of Coalition Wulv'man Infantry
Post by: Elk101 on September 29, 2013, 10:00:07 AM: Thinking about it a bit more, Wulv'men sounds like it could be a nickname other species give them while their actual species name might be Canisians or Lupines, or so on; a bit like humans getting called apemen by other species.

(edited following autocorrect's input. Funnily enough it changes autocorrect too!)
Title: Re: Underfire Wargaming first 3D master 38mm prints of Coalition Wulv'man Infantry
Post by: Momotaro on September 29, 2013, 11:13:11 AM: Good Lord, yes. Lovely.

In 28mm, you have another customer.

Separate heads? Lion men? Yes please.
Title: Re: Underfire Wargaming first 3D master 38mm prints of Coalition Wulv'man Infantry
Post by: leonmallett on September 29, 2013, 12:43:08 PM: I like those a lot; what would be needed to grab me is material they will be produced in.

Resin or metal and I would buy those.

If that material that has acquired the tag 'restic', then I would not buy.
Title: Re: Underfire Wargaming first 3D master 38mm prints of Coalition Wulv'man Infantry
Post by: Elbows on September 29, 2013, 06:29:29 PM: I like them quite a bit - I think the detail good be a little bit sharper (or it's the photography). Love the separate heads. Always an excellent idea. I'm not really on board with the kind of tongue-in-cheek name though (never like that kind of stuff). I have little to no use for the minis, but I do think they're pretty damn cool.
Title: Re: Underfire Wargaming first 3D master 38mm prints of Coalition Wulv'man Infantry
Post by: Inso on September 29, 2013, 07:44:45 PM: Nice sculpts and I'd be another customer in 28mm.

For separate heads, can I suggest lizard type heads? I think they would work well with the bodies.

It is fortuitous that you are creating these now because they would work brilliantly as proxy Rebs for Mantic's Deadzone game.
Title: Re: Underfire Wargaming first 3D master 38mm prints of Coalition Wulv'man Infantry
Post by: Commander Vyper on September 29, 2013, 08:07:39 PM: Quote from: Predatorpt on September 29, 2013, 01:18:55 AM
You've just won a customer here, for the 28mm figures at least ;)

Plus one. Just need to sort some custom helmet sculpts and that's my covenant elites sorted. :)

More alien looking weapons though please, smoother, more organic. Less human looking.

But nice so far. Yum.
Title: Re: Underfire Wargaming first 3D master 38mm prints of Coalition Wulv'man Infantry
Post by: Elbows on September 29, 2013, 09:29:30 PM: I also think they're the right size and shape for anybody who games HALO etc. to convert some into...whatever the bad guys from HALO are.
Title: Re: Underfire Wargaming first 3D master 38mm prints of Coalition Wulv'man Infantry
Post by: Commander Vyper on September 29, 2013, 09:41:55 PM: Quote from: Elbows on September 29, 2013, 09:29:30 PM
I also think they're the right size and shape for anybody who games HALO etc. to convert some into...whatever the bad guys from HALO are.

::) covenant elites! ;)
Title: Re: Underfire Wargaming first 3D master 38mm prints of Coalition Wulv'man Infantry
Post by: underfirewargaming on September 29, 2013, 11:29:59 PM: Well I am glad to hear all the excitement for the range!, I will only be casting these guys in either metal or resin, no restic here ;). The name is currently a work in progress, Their is quite an amount of fluff behind these guys but I will give a brief glance over them to help everyone get a better idea on what they are ( sorry I should have added this in the start of this thread!).

During the early Veil Fall events, With the Great war against the Corruption, The Homeland of the Coalition faced the dire threat of the Corruption invading forces, and though they have engaged in many highly successful counter operations cutting of large amounts of the enemy's forces. The main body of the Corruption forces had pushed through towards the heart of the Coalition homeland, targeting the Capital itself.

The Coalition made a plan to surround this force and eliminate it, regaining the Strategic Initiative on the Coalition front of the war. However Allies of the Coalition turned their back on their former ally, some for good reason but most for selfish reasons and old hatred. This lead to the Coalition fighting almost on their own against incredible odds. It was in this time, that high command knowing how to trigger a form of veil to fall over most of their lands, and this events ability to greatly harm corruption forces and even cut it off from whatever force guided their forces. The effects would be however the people of the Coalition would be cut off from the rest of the world and time inside the veil is much strange and can make a year inside it be a decade in the physical realm.

However as they set off the Veil and managed to defeat the invading Corruption forces, they remained trapped in the veil for 2 generations time in the physical world, during this time a sickness began appearing in the population. It was named Veil sickness, for its spread became a great plague and as the death toll rose, the Wul’vren, who had originally given their “gift” to a select amount of Coalition Special Forces, which became very well known for their many successes during the Corruption war. Knowing they had immunity to the Veil Sickness.

The Wul’vren seeing those they had gifted also were immune, offered to much more freely give their Gift to their fellow Coalitioneirs, though a certain few darker groups of Wul’vren used this ability to gain influence and power in the Coalition Government. The ending result was a large amount of Coalition population accepted the gift to escape the incurable Veil Sickness plague that was running rapid amongst the coalition peoples.

At the end around 70% of the Coalition population had been Gifted by the Wul’vren and 30% remained as they were. The Veil fell around the Coalition homeland, They now entered a different world to when they left…

I have been asked by many people to create the cat and lizard heads for these guys, I will see what I can do for all of you ;).
Title: Re: Underfire Wargaming first 3D master 38mm prints of Coalition Wulv'man Infantry
Post by: underfirewargaming on September 29, 2013, 11:35:23 PM: As for the name It is still a work in progress, if any of you after reading the fluff above, have any good ideas for a name for them defiantly let me know ;)!.

The helmet with no visor is an idea from more modern sci fi, were a part of the helmet could have tons of microscopic cameras that then give a digitalized view inside of the helmet to the area around it. Also giving their senses are incredibly strong both in hearing and smell that would help out much as well with knowing their surroundings.

I hope to continue to get this range set up and running here soon, I am in the end to create a unique and diverse range, but all of it tied in for the most part to the setting I have in mind. That said I will also price things fairly well so they can be used in all sorts of games and other settings ;)!.

thanks again everyone for your feed back and responses! keep them coming and let me know if you all think of anything else u would add, or like see created by me ;)!.

with best regards - Shawn.
Title: Re: Underfire Wargaming first 3D master 38mm prints of Coalition Wulv'man Infantry
Post by: Brummie on September 30, 2013, 10:51:51 AM: They are looking very good!

There may be one issue though (its not with the figures mind) I thought you were the same guy as the person who owns Underfire miniatures (20mm Moderns and WW2)? If I'm wrong and your a new company, there may be issues surrounding your businesses title!

But other then that, your minis look great! Wish you the best!
Title: Re: Underfire Wargaming first 3D master 38mm prints of Coalition Wulv'man Infantry
Post by: Doomsdave on September 30, 2013, 11:07:28 AM: Nice to see some real Space Wolves. These are awesome.
Title: Re: Underfire Wargaming first 3D master 38mm prints of Coalition Wulv'man Infantry
Post by: underfirewargaming on September 30, 2013, 09:51:11 PM: Brummie -Thanks!, and no worries I have already chatted with Underfire Miniatures, we are both fine with the company names, we plan once I get my website up to just link each other so that if their is any confusion that the customers can click the tab and go to the other web site, this would also perhaps help each other gain some more notice in the community ;)!, he's a really fair and honest guy so their are no worries their :)!.

Doomsdave - I agree, I thought it was about time someone produced a real good modern Sci fi wolf like race ;)!. I hope I can get the price to be just as awesome as these sculpts are as well :D!.
Title: Re: Underfire Wargaming first 3D master 38mm prints of Coalition Wulv'man Infantry
Post by: Westfalia Chris on September 30, 2013, 10:04:11 PM: I quite like those! Good poses so far, and the separate heads are fine, could even be used as non-humanoid robots.

Cannot at the moment see a justifiable-quality use for a larger number, but I'd probably get at least one for the second incarnation of Dog Tag from the ABC Warriors "Shadow Warriors" arc.

This design seems almost spot on, and the separate heads will make the necessary modifications much easier. Been looking for a suitable base figure for almost 4 years now, so kudos for unintentionally providing a possible solution for me! :D
Title: Re: Underfire Wargaming first 3D master 38mm prints of Coalition Wulv'man Infantry
Post by: Lord GreyWolf on October 01, 2013, 01:57:06 AM: I would be keen to seem more of these.. the Separate head is great makes it a lot easier on doing conversions.

looking forward to seeing what else you have planed.

LGW
Title: Re: Underfire Wargaming first 3D master 38mm prints of Coalition Wulv'man Infantry
Post by: ogryn on October 01, 2013, 05:01:00 AM: Me likes. They can only get better from here. Might I suggest flushing out the range of miniatures as best as possible. So many ranges of cool miniature lines stumble or get distracted with other nonsense and never finish what they start. So for example, commander models, support options, light vehicles, scout/recce units, psyker/monk/mage/mystic types. Round out the range and do not leave us haning like so many lame companies. It seems to be a big issue in this hobby.
I do love where u have started though. Hope it will not be much trouble to get them in the USA.
Thanks
(why not restic?)
Title: Re: Underfire Wargaming first 3D master 38mm prints of Coalition Wulv'man Infantry
Post by: Elk101 on October 01, 2013, 07:33:27 AM: Ogryn makes a good point about fleshing out these guys with command, support and other options. People will pick these up for all sorts of sci-fi projects and a decent range will likely encourage buy in. Maybe aiming for a platoon sized option like Pig Iron do would work?

On the fluff side is the 'gift' you mention the Wulv'ern turning people?
Title: Re: Underfire Wargaming first 3D master 38mm prints of Coalition Wulv'man Infantry
Post by: Dewbakuk on October 01, 2013, 07:43:48 AM: Quote from: ogryn on October 01, 2013, 05:01:00 AM
(why not restic?)

Because it's horrible to work with compared to metal or plastic for mold lines etc. And I'm not even in the anti-restic brigade :)

The problem with fleshing out ranges is often sales, if the initial releases don't sell too well then the sculptor/owner is less likely to continue making more. The thing there is that new releases drive sales of older releases too, but still, the owner needs to see a return.

I intend to have these mixed in with humans etc so the normal ones will do me for now :)
Title: Re: Underfire Wargaming first 3D master 38mm prints of Coalition Wulv'man Infantry
Post by: Marauderman on October 01, 2013, 09:41:10 AM: Quote from: Inso on September 29, 2013, 07:44:45 PM
Nice sculpts and I'd be another customer in 28mm.

For separate heads, can I suggest lizard type heads? I think they would work well with the bodies.

It is fortuitous that you are creating these now because they would work brilliantly as proxy Rebs for Mantic's Deadzone game.
I have to agree with Inso, Lizard type heads would go very well with these miniatures in 28mm.
I know I would buy some. There seems to be a lack of good Sci fi lizard miniatures out there.
On material Resin or lead free metal would be fine.
Title: Re: Underfire Wargaming first 3D master 38mm prints of Coalition Wulv'man Infantry
Post by: Commander Vyper on October 01, 2013, 11:12:58 AM: Quote from: ogryn on October 01, 2013, 05:01:00 AM
(why not restic?)

Cause it's shite!
Title: Re: Underfire Wargaming first 3D master 38mm prints of Coalition Wulv'man Infantry
Post by: Jonas on October 01, 2013, 03:42:12 PM: Looks great, they would do well together with the Black Hat Ar-men (dog men faction).

I would love to see them in METAL :)
Title: Re: Underfire Wargaming first 3D master 38mm prints of Coalition Wulv'man Infantry
Post by: Vinlander on October 02, 2013, 02:00:44 PM: You MUST produce these figs!!

I'll buy them!

;D
Title: Re: Underfire Wargaming first 3D master 38mm prints of Coalition Wulv'man Infantry
Post by: ogryn on October 03, 2013, 04:16:19 AM: (why not restic?)

Yes, I know it is kinda crappy, but I would rather have that than Finecast
LOL
Maybe look into the materials that PureEvil Miniatures is using. It is amazing stuff and brilliant to work with. No idea what it is, but its great. Every company should be using this stuff.
Title: Re: Underfire Wargaming first 3D master 38mm prints of Coalition Wulv'man Infantry
Post by: Commander Vyper on October 03, 2013, 08:55:21 AM: Resin or metal. That's the two options that will work for most. I'd like metal given the choice.
Title: Re: Underfire Wargaming first 3D master 38mm prints of Coalition Wulv'man Infantry
Post by: Elbows on October 03, 2013, 11:05:06 AM: 1) Plastic
2) Metal
3) Resin
942) Restic*

*Basically ANYTHING but restic.
Title: Re: Underfire Wargaming first 3D master 38mm prints of Coalition Wulv'man Infantry
Post by: underfirewargaming on October 03, 2013, 07:59:14 PM: No worries about restic everyone, I will not be using that material ( even if I wanted their is no Casting Company in North America as far as I know that casts in this material). It will be either metal or resin ( plastic is just not a realistic thing to look at for any starting miniatures company unless they have some serious backing, which would also require serious risk!), what will really decide which material I go into, will be what my caster decides will be best for the miniatures, poses will be a heavy factor into this.

However as well I do not want to lose any detail and sacrifice poses to be casted in one medium over the other. I do aim to do them in metal, Metal tends to be good if I am going to sell many of these miniatures. However if I am not going to sell as much, say less than a few hundred than resin is much more cost affordable. For those who already are very interested in purchasing my miniatures, I would be interested in hearing from you, how many would u think of purchasing? I will end up selling them in packs of 10 or 5 , with 5 unique poses for sure.

For expanding the ranges, I plan first to start off with this initial pack of miniatures and also create my 2nd faction, and from their I will decide from sales what I plan to expand and how. I do want to expand the current two factions before I grow too the next faction, If I feel I gain enough attention in the market I may even look at a kickstarter ;).

I have many ideas of things I could expand and add onto the factions, I am also doing them in 15mm scale, for vehicles and such it is quite more expensive to do them into 28/30mm scale than in 15mm, however with digital sculpting I can print them in both scales ( still the 30mm print will estimate cost several hundreds of dollars to print I am fairly sure of). However I also do plan to get a game system running as well, more for something for myself to play as I find a lack of style of game systems in the market that fit what I would truly like to play. If all goes well, I plan to do a larger scale game in 15mm with multi based units representing a much larger number, the base sizes could also allow for my 30mm figures to be used as well ;). However I am currently thinking as well of creating a more RPG than skirmish game , game system for the 30mm figures which I think would be interesting and much more realistic for 30mm scale range to be created for.

I look forward to your thoughts and comments everyone!.

with best regards - Shawn.
Title: Re: Underfire Wargaming first 3D master 38mm prints of Coalition Wulv'man Infantry
Post by: Elbows on October 03, 2013, 08:13:31 PM: My scant plans for sci-fi gaming always revolve around a very diverse skirmish game...so if I did (and they look great, so I'd be tempted) I'd be looking at a couple of blisters likely, no more. Now, as you mentioned wanting to make several factions/races etc. that could obviously increase, but for small skirmish games (I prefer using 5-10 models a side) I'd go with just a handful of the minis you've shown.

You're going to find a wide range here...some people skirmish and others may invest in buying 100+ of the things to swamp a table with. lol
Title: Re: Underfire Wargaming first 3D master 38mm prints of Coalition Wulv'man Infantry
Post by: underfirewargaming on October 03, 2013, 11:33:40 PM: Elbow's - thanks for your comment!. I feel that if I went into an area like skirmish it would become heavily RPG like, as I feel that is really were a skirmish game can become interesting, and allows people to have something equal to a D&D session but also mixed into a wargame.

If I were to do a larger scale wargame instead, I feel they would be multi based infantry forces and shrink the scale of the terrain to create a larger scale of combat on a more sensibly sized table and scale more realistically weapon ranges ect, think DBA ;).

However the investment to do in 30mm over 15mm for even that type of scale of wargaming would be beyond my current funding.

I think their is room in the market for something that is much more like an RPG game than a pure just skirmish game. As I find at that scale I would really want to develop each of my miniatures to have their own stats, story and background.

However regardless were I go , I am first setting up shop and seeing what sells and how well it sells. I do plan to keep these guys at a realistic price range that those who want large armies ;), can field tons of them and put those who pay a certain companies prices in shock with how much they spent on these miniatures ;).

all in all I think everyone will be fairly happy I aim to price these miniatures to sell at an affordable price range ;).
Title: Re: Underfire Wargaming first 3D master 38mm prints of Coalition Wulv'man Infantry
Post by: underfirewargaming on October 03, 2013, 11:35:08 PM: I also think I should reveal the concept art I had just sent into me today for the 2nd faction ( currently lets just call them Gnolls, a name is in the works, that should be a fairly original name for them ;)) * name now decided They will be of the Kyintruto Empire!.

(http://i1039.photobucket.com/albums/a472/underfire987/Gnollspainted.png) (http://s1039.photobucket.com/user/underfire987/media/Gnollspainted.png.html)

(http://i1039.photobucket.com/albums/a472/underfire987/Gnollsfinsihedun-painted.png) (http://s1039.photobucket.com/user/underfire987/media/Gnollsfinsihedun-painted.png.html)

with best regards - Shawn.
Title: Re: Underfire Wargaming first 3D master 38mm prints of Coalition Wulv'man Infantry
Post by: Elbows on October 03, 2013, 11:39:53 PM: Oooohhh, now those are making me think "TMNT and Other Strangeness" or some "After the Bomb" goodness.

(Palladium games stuff derived from the original Eastman and Laird comic books for Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles). lol That and perhaps some guys would be interested for stand-ins for Rifts (another Palladium title) "Dog Boys"

(http://cdn.obsidianportal.com/assets/118203/Dog_Pack.jpg)

Very cool.
Title: Re: Underfire Wargaming first 3D master 38mm prints of Coalition Wulv'man Infantry
Post by: Dewbakuk on October 04, 2013, 12:14:50 AM: Ooh, Hyena men, cool!
Title: Re: Underfire Wargaming Sci fi Gnoll art concepts! page 3
Post by: Predatorpt on October 04, 2013, 01:35:35 AM: This is getting better and better! :o Hyenas in Space! :o
Title: Re: Underfire Wargaming Sci fi Gnoll art concepts! page 3
Post by: ogryn on October 04, 2013, 04:24:39 AM: Ok, space hyenas. I am in. Where do I send money
:)
Title: Re: Underfire Wargaming Sci fi Gnoll art concepts! page 3
Post by: Lord GreyWolf on October 04, 2013, 05:34:09 AM: those are looking great... Dogs of war anyone?

looking forward to seeing what else you have to offer.

LGW
Title: Re: Underfire Wargaming Sci fi Gnoll art concepts! page 3
Post by: Elk101 on October 04, 2013, 07:32:27 AM: I'm not the name police, honest, but I was fairly sure I'd heard gnoll before!

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnoll

It was D&D I remembered it from.

On more important matters, the concept art for the New guys is great. It reminds me of Thundercats a little (Jackson's). I'm very much looking forward to seeing this develop. I'd certainly get a squad or two of both races if international postage wasn't too crippling! Good luck, you've got some great ideas.
Title: Re: Underfire Wargaming Sci fi Gnoll art concepts! page 3
Post by: Lord GreyWolf on October 04, 2013, 07:38:34 AM: Quote from: Elk101 on October 04, 2013, 07:32:27 AM
I'm very much looking forward to seeing this develop. I'd certainly get a squad or two of both races if international postage wasn't too crippling! Good luck, you've got some great ideas.

I 2nd the International postage not being to high and I would order at least a squad of each type more if the postage wasn't BAD....SCARY or plan FREAKKIN ME OUT!!!

LGW
Title: Re: Underfire Wargaming Sci fi Gnoll art concepts! page 3
Post by: tnjrp on October 04, 2013, 07:50:16 AM: Quote from: Elk101 on October 04, 2013, 07:32:27 AM
I'm not the name police, honest, but I was fairly sure I'd heard gnoll before!
Based on the comment above, I do think UfW is aware that the term "Gnoll" isn't up for grabs. It's just a stand-in for "space hyenas" for now.

As for the prototypes and concepts shown so far, I'm not that fond of anthropomorphic animals, even if they are being passed off as uplifts (and never mind being passed off as aliens) but I do have a soft spot for dog boyz so I'll prolly be wanting to get a few of those when/if they do come out.
Title: Re: Underfire Wargaming Sci fi Gnoll art concepts! page 3
Post by: von der Tann on October 04, 2013, 08:00:52 AM: To hell with the discussion ... I only want to know where and when I can buy these guys! *drool*

:D

If I -in my sleep-drunken stupor- missed the date and place of release ... please forgive me.

Edit:
Ok ... after a huge mug of way too strong coffee I think I found my senses plus I was able to cleverly figure out the manufacturer. So any idea about the release date yet?
Title: Re: Underfire Wargaming Sci fi Gnoll art concepts! page 3
Post by: Elk101 on October 04, 2013, 10:14:19 AM: The gnoll comment was meant as a bit of a joke after my first comment on names! :)

It's bloody hard to find names that are original (or not copyrighted by 'someone'!
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Post by: Marauderman on October 04, 2013, 11:29:56 AM: I have to say again if you brought out the Coalition Wulvamn with Lizard heads in 28mm - 30mm, I would be in a flash. I am more a Skirmish player but these would come in handy for extras for Mantics Deadzone game Rebel force.
I know I would buy 10-20 in 28mm-30mm for sure. I thank a few people would like a sci fi lizard style troops.
Keep up the good work and good luck with your miniatures ideas, I hope this comes to being as your other ideas look good and should get a lot of support. If you go down the Kickstarter root please let this forum know so we can support it.
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Post by: Vermis on October 04, 2013, 11:56:39 AM: Those look a bit tasty. Biggest criticism at the mo: they must have very skinny waists under there.

Also, looking at the concepts on page 3: go with the orientation of the legs in the first prints. The point of digitigrade legs is not to fold back on themselves. ;)
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Post by: AKULA on October 04, 2013, 12:09:41 PM: Quote from: Marauderman on October 04, 2013, 11:29:56 AM
I thank a few people would like a sci fi lizard style troops.

Apologies for the minor thread derail, but have got lizard men on my own sci-fi todo list....

I agree though, these would look good with lizard heads, and the more good quality sci-fi figures out there, the better.

:)
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Post by: underfirewargaming on October 05, 2013, 12:35:24 AM: I knew their was something wrong with their legs!, well I will make sure that is fixed during the sculpting process then!, thanks for spotting that out Vermis!.

Elbows - I am glad you like them and have found inspiration for what you would use them for :).

Dewbakuk, Predatorpt, ogryn, Lord GreyWolf - I am very glad to hear you 4 like them :)!, I will keep everyone posted, I am currently getting the website up and running fully, and now I am beginning to order in the final digital sculpt and all the other current sculpts with it when its done to be printed and then together I will send them to be casted ;)!. So still some what of a wait, but I will not make it too much longer :P!.

Elk101, Lord GreyWolf - I will do all I can to keep the postage rate low, I am going through just my international Canadian banking system, so I will see what I can work out with them for postage rates, overall from my personal experience it has never been too bad for me when it comes to shipping from most companies. I will perhaps eat some of the cost if I find that the international postage rate is high!.

tnjrp- Thanks for pointing that out, yes it is all but a stand in name till I came up with the current new name for them ;). I understand that they may not be to everyone's taste which is fair in itself. I just find their are way too many squid / lizard ( do not hate me everyone who wants lizard heads here, I will see in time what I can do for those ;)) and really darn close human like races and I find its stifling and not pushing diversity and creativity as much as I would like to see in the market.

So though you may not be too interested in my concepts so far, I am still interested in what do you like? or would like to see come alive? I am always listening to others thoughts and ideas on things ;).

von der Tann - I am hoping to have my first range ( lets call them Vren for now :P) in two scales and then once I get them running and all the math figured out for selling prices and postage ect ;). Then I can get these guys out and selling as well!. I am glad you like them btw!.

Elk101 - I find you just need to look for ideas in uncommon areas of cultures, stories ect ;).

Marauderman - I hope you don't mind me for asking but why couldn't you use wolf men for your rebel aliens over them having to be lizard men :P? I will keep on going and hope that they do sell well, I think the market does need someone like myself, who is really aiming on creating very interesting but yet good looking original miniatures in the market, at least that is what I am banking on ;)!.
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Post by: underfirewargaming on October 05, 2013, 12:39:52 AM: AKULA - I will see what I can do for the lizard heads, I do want to get the starting range out and the 2nd faction in the works, but once those two are rolling I can defiantly see about producing some lizard and lion head versions for them since I have had so much demand for those things ;). I do listen and want to produce what people want, but I have to also produce what I am inspired to create as well :P. Its all about balance ;), and unlike some certain companies out their I wont ignore what consumers are asking that I create, especially when I have had so many ask about the same thing ;)!.

I may even get them sculpted and printed before I do the this 2nd faction.

with best regards everyone! - Shawn.
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Post by: Marauderman on October 05, 2013, 06:19:36 AM: Thanks Underfire Wargaming ( Shawn ), I could use your wolfman as add-ons for rebel aliens as well but I find the idea of Lizard men style Aliens very appealing. Most probably because I sill reminder the original V series from the 80's.
Your armed Coalition troops with Lizard heads would work quite well I think. Its good that you are thinking of making some lizard style heads that would work with the range.
I know I would be buying a few squads at least just for the Lizard head style and may be a squard of your Wolfs head.

Also Akula I will have to recheck your Akula's Galactic Armies thread. Its good to also hear that you might be thinking of a Lizard Style alien force in the future.
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Post by: underfirewargaming on October 07, 2013, 10:52:25 PM: Marauderman - Sorry for the long wait for a reply!, yes I will see what I can do, these guys also do come with tails ( the first two images, sadly my sculptor forgot too add the tails!, but I will be getting them probably separate of the final casts so you could easily sculpt on some lizard tails instead of having the wolf tails :P!.

thanks again everyone for all the feed back, I truly cant wait to get these guys out on the market so you all can see them first hand ;)!.

with best regards - Shawn.
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Post by: manatic on October 08, 2013, 05:47:41 AM: This thread has certainly peaked my interest in these. Separate heads are always a nice choice as it provides so much room for easy conversions. I believe a generic, obviously non-human helmet would be a good option as well - a lot of people are always looking for "just aliens", i.e. not antropomorphic animals.
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Post by: Marauderman on October 08, 2013, 10:32:13 AM: @underfirewargaming
Shawn, looking forward to when you release so I can order up.
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Post by: Brummie on October 08, 2013, 10:37:56 AM: Excellent news to hear both Underfires came to an agreement! Thats brilliant!

I really like the Gnoll concepts, the idea of crossovers between something that appears savage and tribal with a mid-high tech element to it I always find very appealing.
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Post by: underfirewargaming on October 10, 2013, 03:31:49 AM: manatic - Hmm I will see what I can do, if I do well enough I have another few miniatures idea that may be something you might be interested in, but their quite a ways off currently. However we can see about separate heads perhaps in the future, though as I have said to a few, their hands and feet defiantly will look quite canine like and this may cause issues when using different heads :/.

Marauderman - So do I :)!, I have a friend of mine working on the website right now, so hopefully I should be up and running sooner than later ;)!

Brummie- Yes we have been with agreement for some time now ;), so no worries their :)!. I agree I think they will be a nice fresh concept to bring into the market ;)!.
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Post by: von der Tann on November 10, 2013, 07:10:45 AM: Any update on these?
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Post by: Predatorpt on November 17, 2013, 02:36:19 PM: They've launched their site:

http://underfirewargaming.webs.com/
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Post by: underfirewargaming on November 17, 2013, 11:02:40 PM: Sorry guys for the wait for an update!, I have yes gotten the website set up finally!. However I didn't think that would be worth mentioning all on its own which is why I didn't post that update of yet. I have the final 3 poses of the first pack of miniatures being printed as we speak, I should be shipped out this Monday, and I should have it here in about 1and 1/2 to 2 weeks time. I should be getting a few photos of the prints which I can share with all of you here soon though ;)!.

Sorry for the wait for an update guys!, hopefully I will have some more stuff to show you guys soon!, and then I can get down to having these guys casted and things finally running :D!.

with best regards - Shawn.
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Post by: von der Tann on January 24, 2014, 10:47:00 AM: This project still alive or is it dead? I have been patiently waiting for information
... no more ...

I demand to know what's going to happen to the hyena-men in space!

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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Post by: Comsquare on January 24, 2014, 10:58:56 AM: Here's an update:
http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=62535.msg751236#msg751236

;)
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Post by: von der Tann on January 24, 2014, 12:06:39 PM: Quote from: Comsquare on January 24, 2014, 10:58:56 AM
Here's an update:
http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=62535.msg751236#msg751236

;)

Thanks alot ... but did I read that correctly? 38mm? Hope that's a typo ... otherwise those guys will surely stand out in a crowd ... ;)
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Post by: Comsquare on January 24, 2014, 12:10:42 PM: Hope that too ;)
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Post by: Rhelyk on January 24, 2014, 07:28:19 PM: looks like 38mm is accurate, I think that's 1/4" graph paper in the initial photos which would paut their legs as just a bit too far apart for a standard 25mm/1" base. Looks like they're sized to fit in with standard confrontation wolfen/reaper lupin sizes
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Post by: underfirewargaming on January 24, 2014, 11:58:13 PM: Yes I am to make my miniatures true to scale with each other von der Tannthey are exactly 38mm from feet to the top of their heads, and the average human in my range will be true scale 28mm so they defiantly will stand out in the crowd ;).

The project and company are still alive everyone, I have been waiting for my final master from a failed casting commission to arrive for me here soon. If it does not come in the mail by The coming Tuesday from this date I am going too look at spending another 100 to get the master reprinted, due too this being the 2nd shipping attempt however I am sure it will come here by then.

As soon as I get it I will be able too ship the 5 masters off too my chosen caster, which is in the states and they can get right at casting the masters ;). Sort out shipping costs as well as get into contact with a few wargaming online stores over in Europe to help everyone over their avoid the extra shipping charges, I have heard mixed views on Wayland games, any recommendations?

Also Rhelyk, They would fit fine on those bases, I myself tend to use washers for my miniature bases when basing individually just due too cheapness and ease of purchasing them. A inch and a half diameter washer would be an ideal base size for them, which is just a tad under 4cm.

I hope that helps everyone , I cannot apologize enough with the wait for them, had I known what delays I would have faced I would have waited till I had the casting finalized and set up before I made my announcement , sorry everyone :(, but the wait hopefully wont be too much longer :)!.

with best regards - Shawn
So I hope to have these guys finally up and running I share your excitement and frustration that these guys have been delayed for so long :P.
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Post by: Papa Spanky on January 29, 2014, 03:57:14 AM: I've missed this one somehow, but I too will be a customer of yours when you open.
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Post by: Elk101 on January 29, 2014, 07:51:54 AM: As regards a European distributor, what about a smaller operator where your range may get more attention? There are a number of smaller online businesses with good reputations (our own Professor's business included) who might be better placed? Other potential stores could be Wargames Emporium, who already import the lovely Hydra sci-fi range; Firestorm Games; or North Star, who are a pretty large operation but carry some diverse ranges. Just a thought.
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Post by: von der Tann on January 29, 2014, 03:41:40 PM: Quote from: underfirewargaming on January 24, 2014, 11:58:13 PM
Yes I am to make my miniatures true to scale with each other von der Tannthey are exactly 38mm from feet to the top of their heads, and the average human in my range will be true scale 28mm so they defiantly will stand out in the crowd ;).

Hmmm ... ah what the heck ... I want some, I'll get some ... lol
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Post by: bishop odo on February 10, 2014, 10:20:37 PM: Any update, I'm ready to buy, as for the 38 or 28mm debate, I hope for 28mm, but generally the Lupine races where slight where as the Aslan where taller than humans, but I'll roll with anyway.
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Post by: underfirewargaming on February 11, 2014, 04:06:49 AM: Well just some good news, the masters should arrive at the casters Tomorrow! I am very much going to have then a few sent back too check the quality through expresspost and paint some up for you all too see whyll we get a good starting stock of them casted out.

At the moment it looks like most of the arms will have to be separate of the minis as well in one solid separate part. I think that will mean resin will be the best means as too not annoy anyone with putting together metal kits. However do any of you have thoughts on this? would you all be fine with having a 3 part metal miniature ( 4 part for the heavy weapon as the back vent will need to be its own separate piece due too detail indents).
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Post by: Dewbakuk on February 11, 2014, 11:43:32 AM: As long as you have locator points then metal is absolutely fine.