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Miniatures Adventure => The Conflicts that came in from the Cold => Topic started by: Sgt. Scream on October 09, 2013, 09:39:47 AM

Title: "Battle For Skira" modern PLA vs. USMC
Post by: Sgt. Scream on October 09, 2013, 09:39:47 AM
Based upon the Operation Flashpoint "Dragon Rising" pc game I have started to collect two forces: USMC and PLA in 20mm (1/72). I want to play that campaign using miniatures and will use Battlefield Evolution and Force On Force rules, depending on how many figures are going to be used in the scenario.

I have started this project a long time ago and it was planned to be finished in 2010. Its 2013 now and I have not been through even 20% of what is planned. Anyway, here is some progress on Star Force 21 (who knows where the call sign is from?  :D ) - a conversion of an Italeri UH-1N Twin Huey into a UH-1Y Venom.

After months of stompy robots and acid-blooded Aliens here is for a change a little bit of progress on my 1/72 scale UH-1Y Venom:

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5524/10166407703_e003eb4f3f.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/101957074@N06/10166407703/)
FLIR turret added, laser sensors, antennas and wire cutters, chaff and flare dispensers and landing gear

(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2866/10166334896_aa9bd2cae6.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/101957074@N06/10166334896/)
changed the side of rear rotor and replaced the 2-bladed one with 4 blades. The little "wings" on the rear beam have been moved further to the back. Main rotor assembly changed from 2-bladed to 4 rotor blades.

(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3689/10166284685_f0854a91fb.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/101957074@N06/10166284685/)
Still needs some sanding here and there (exhaust ports) and the doors and weapon payload is still missing, but its finally showing the shape of an UH-1Y.

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8539/10166338246_f4c52404a7.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/101957074@N06/10166338246/)
The pride of my work on this conversion: the new rotor dome which was sculpted with green stuff. It will look a lot better once it has been sprayed with primer - that's going to blend everything together. 


You can find more "Battle For Skira" here:
http://smallscaleoperations.blogspot.de/search/label/Battle%20For%20Skira
Title: Re: "Battle For Skira" modern PLA vs. USMC
Post by: Westfalia Chris on October 09, 2013, 09:58:59 AM
Excellent progress, cannot wait to see it painted. One thing though, although you'll most likely already have noticed - better fix that air intake on the front face of the transmission cowling. That mismatch will haunt you forever if you don't, I'll bet, especially considering the excellent work on the rest.
Title: Re: "Battle For Skira" modern PLA vs. USMC
Post by: Sgt. Scream on October 09, 2013, 11:54:48 AM
@Chris: Yeah, that's true.  8) Will be fixed before painting.
Title: Re: "Battle For Skira" modern PLA vs. USMC
Post by: Sgt. Scream on October 10, 2013, 02:55:55 PM
Payload added:
(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5350/10188519836_1d8998b72b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/101957074@N06/10188519836/)

(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3812/10188410274_1a0c18e9e5.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/101957074@N06/10188410274/)
.50cal machine gun and 70mm Hydra rockets

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7431/10188629943_4f1f1d9688.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/101957074@N06/10188629943/)
M134 minigun and 70mm Hydra rockets

That leaves me with putting black primer on the last areas and then I can finally paint this baby!
Title: Re: "Battle For Skira" modern PLA vs. USMC
Post by: Sgt. Scream on October 11, 2013, 11:11:22 PM
First layers of paint added - starts to look like a proper helicopter now. :-)
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7316/10215217523_bfd77ee5af.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/101957074@N06/10215217523/)

(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2846/10215223223_8e61ffdcec.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/101957074@N06/10215223223/)
Title: Re: "Battle For Skira" modern PLA vs. USMC
Post by: Westfalia Chris on October 12, 2013, 08:40:11 AM
Excellent work, and a very interesting paint scheme. Do you paint it by hand? I'd be mortified at the risk of messing up those canopy windows.
Title: Re: "Battle For Skira" modern PLA vs. USMC
Post by: Sgt. Scream on October 12, 2013, 09:16:45 AM
Yes, I paint by hand. I don't have an airbrush. The scheme is not finished. When the weathering is done, the blue-grey will more look like a faded dark grey.  ;)
Title: Re: "Battle For Skira" modern PLA vs. USMC
Post by: Westfalia Chris on October 12, 2013, 09:35:33 AM
Yes, I paint by hand. I don't have an airbrush. The scheme is not finished. When the weathering is done, the blue-grey will more look like a faded dark grey.  ;)

I assumed so. It's a USMC low visibility scheme, or something like that, isn't it? Not too fit on post-1980 camouflage, I must admit. Quite interesting that you go for such a harsh contrast for the start, is that an actual blue or a grey blue that came out darker in the pics? I'd possibly have chosen an ocean grey over medium or light grey, but of course there's the risk that it would be too weak for the small scale (surface area-dependent reflection rate and all).

Very suitable for commando choppers in any case, I'd say. I really need to finish my "not-Rhodesian" Cheetah.
Title: Re: "Battle For Skira" modern PLA vs. USMC
Post by: Sgt. Scream on October 12, 2013, 10:27:10 AM
Its a blue-grey, not an actual blue. And since the pics were taken late night with only a small light bulp for lighting, it appears to be darker. In bright daylight its still a strong contrast, but it will help to apply the Dark Gull Grey in the proper areas, since these are already shaded by the blue-grey.  ;)

Its the low-visibilty scheme, yes. Commando-chopper is the right word to say - Star Force 21 is going to transport my "Team Razor" USMC Force Recon troopers. >:D

http://smallscaleoperations.blogspot.de/2010/04/team-razor-in-detail.html
http://smallscaleoperations.blogspot.de/2010/04/team-razor-pc-game-arma-2-characters-in.html
Title: Re: "Battle For Skira" modern PLA vs. USMC
Post by: Sgt. Scream on October 12, 2013, 05:13:44 PM
Low-Visibility scheme layer #2 added. Ready for weathering and details now.  :D


(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7313/10228040756_644deb1d1b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/101957074@N06/10228040756/)

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7351/10228150593_3f20ee3c0d.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/101957074@N06/10228150593/)
Title: Re: "Battle For Skira" modern PLA vs. USMC
Post by: Sgt. Scream on October 15, 2013, 12:35:37 PM
The weathering of my USMC UH-1Y "Venom", call-sign "Star Force 21" has been completed over the weekend.

The decals have been added, the details painted and then I went crazy with the oil paints. :-)

I let the pictures speak for themselves. I have to be honest, I am not completely satisfied with my painting skills. The colours are too thick in some places. Well, every project is helping to learn and improve though!

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5475/10289414395_717db162c8.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/101957074@N06/10289414395/)

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5343/10289409596_e09bed5964.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/101957074@N06/10289409596/)

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7360/10289435455_436ace018f.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/101957074@N06/10289435455/)


More pictures with close-ups and from different angles can be found here:
http://smallscaleoperations.blogspot.de/2013/10/battle-for-skira-usmc-star-force-21-wip_15.html
Title: Re: "Battle For Skira" modern PLA vs. USMC
Post by: Westfalia Chris on October 15, 2013, 01:01:46 PM
I think it looks great, nay, excellent. Only point of contention, although I don't mind it that much, is that the panel and recess shading comes off a bit strong, although it may be due to the pics. Just a bit too heavy for the small scale, but, again, I strongly suspect it may be due to the pics.

Apart from that, the colour combination looks spot-on and the decal weathering appears extremely effective and realistic.

I'll be quite curious to see how it looks on its base. You wrote on your blog that you intend to use a GW Flyer Base - that'll be robust, obviously, but aren't you worried that it might be too voluminous for such a finely-detailed model? I don't even like the look of those with GW's flying bricks, but for solidity, they are one of the best solutions I have ever come across.
Title: Re: "Battle For Skira" modern PLA vs. USMC
Post by: Sgt. Scream on October 16, 2013, 10:31:47 AM
Done!!! 
Today I have finished the base for my Huey conversion. I took an Italeri 1/72 scale Twin Huey and converted it into the latest UH-1Y "Venom" (Super Huey) by using parts of a Revell AH-1W Cobra, an Olimp Models Resin Whisky Cobra Upgrade Set and an Italeri Bell 412 as well as a Kitech AH-1Z Viper. The Low-Viz decals were part of the Olimp set.

The base itself is a flat oval one from Gripping Beast, with the clear plastic flyer rod coming from GW. I have used standard materiel: flock from Busch, Clump Foliage (summer) from Gale Force 9 and summer grass tufts from Noch. Colours used were black for primer, Tamiya Flat Earth followed by drybrushing with Vallejo Iraqi Sand.

There is a whole "work in progress" run of posts on my blog (http://smallscaleoperations.blogspot.de/).

Anyway, on to some pictures of the finished Venom, call-sign "Star Force 21":

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7370/10306950246_a6eef1edd7.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/101957074@N06/10306950246/)
"Star Force 21" dropping off USMC Force Recon "Team Razor" (all from ARMA II)

(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2866/10307090133_f127c388e9.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/101957074@N06/10307090133/)
ready for a gun run with M134 minigun and Hydra rockets (SHQ Vietnam chopper door gunner)

(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3803/10306873054_e579d8b3b3.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/101957074@N06/10306873054/)
GAU-21 heavy MG and Hydra rockets (and another SHQ door gunner)

Pictures from all angles of "Star Force 21". --> H E R E (http://smallscaleoperations.blogspot.de/2013/10/battle-for-skira-usmc-star-force-21-wip_15.html)
Title: Re: "Battle For Skira" modern PLA vs. USMC
Post by: Westfalia Chris on October 16, 2013, 10:57:49 AM
Well paint me pink and call me "Cookie"!  lol  :o

Works like a charm. The reverse angle appears well-suited to the "helicopter" concept and somewhat suggests a "reluctant approach" vs. a high-speed attack run.

Title: Re: "Battle For Skira" modern PLA vs. USMC
Post by: Doomsdave on October 17, 2013, 10:13:18 AM
I think it's beautiful.  I would be proud to put that on the table for a game!  Well done.
Title: Re: "Battle For Skira" modern PLA vs. USMC
Post by: Gibby on October 17, 2013, 08:42:17 PM
Fantastic work. I am a fan of the Arma series as well, nice homage. I have Dragon Rising but I never got that far for some reason, although I liked the plot.
Title: Re: "Battle For Skira" modern PLA vs. USMC
Post by: Marine0846 on October 18, 2013, 05:50:27 PM
Outstanding in every way.
Just love it.
Can't wait to see it in a game.
Title: Re: "Battle For Skira" modern PLA vs. USMC
Post by: Sgt. Scream on October 25, 2013, 07:22:29 PM
I have started on my AH-1Z Viper (Call-Sign "Starwolf 14") that is going to escort my Venom transport helicopter and give the Marines on the ground something to call if immediate CAS is needed :-)

Finished the cockpit and crew today and put it into the main fuselage. So far it looks really like nothing to be honest, but that was the case with my Venom as well :-D
I have also started its base.

I'll post progress on this bird in little steps, just like I did the last time.

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5507/10479527146_ba526128c9.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/101957074@N06/10479527146/)
Title: Re: "Battle For Skira" modern PLA vs. USMC
Post by: Westfalia Chris on October 25, 2013, 07:40:50 PM
Ohh, that's going to be a nice one. I always thought the Cobra was a rickety-looking thing, but after your post, I went to check that AH-1Z variant, and daaamn, that is one mean machine. The four-bladed rotor makes it look much more aggressive.
Title: Re: "Battle For Skira" modern PLA vs. USMC
Post by: Sgt. Scream on October 28, 2013, 05:30:57 PM
Since there were some tragic events taking place in my family, progress wasn't as much as I had expected to achieve over the weekend.
Anyway, the modelling always helped me to clear my head and so here are at least two pics of the little progress that I made:

Cockpit canopy added, base fuselage completed (I also completed the whole flyer base, but I won't show until the bird is done), ready for the paintjob...

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7383/10539833195_724c9fdb5f.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/101957074@N06/10539833195/)

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7423/10539823096_4663fd8f57.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/101957074@N06/10539823096/)
Title: Re: "Battle For Skira" modern PLA vs. USMC
Post by: Sgt. Scream on October 31, 2013, 11:24:32 AM
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3783/10589811884_1710ae920a.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/101957074@N06/10589811884/)

Finished painting the low-viz camo.

Next steps is painting details, weathering the fuselage, adding final payload and of course decals.

Starts to look like a helicopter finally.  ;)
Title: Re: "Battle For Skira" modern PLA vs. USMC
Post by: Sgt. Scream on November 03, 2013, 09:24:08 PM
Panel wash, exhaust smoke and weathering completed. Next step: adding decals and a few touch-ups here and there.  :D

(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2866/10655593064_04f3a4bd85.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/101957074@N06/10655593064/)

(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2839/10655794073_f9c7d6000c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/101957074@N06/10655794073/)

(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3818/10655595314_3e7395ab22.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/101957074@N06/10655595314/)
Title: Re: "Battle For Skira" modern PLA vs. USMC
Post by: sundayhero on November 03, 2013, 09:28:35 PM
Seeing what you achieve painting by hand is just impressive  :o
Title: Re: "Battle For Skira" modern PLA vs. USMC
Post by: Predatorpt on November 04, 2013, 12:25:19 AM
Seeing what you achieve painting by hand is just impressive  :o

My exact thoughts! Great work!  :o
Title: Re: "Battle For Skira" modern PLA vs. USMC
Post by: Sgt. Scream on November 04, 2013, 04:33:15 PM
Thanks, guys.  ;)  Might be adding the decals tonight after the Gym.
Title: Re: "Battle For Skira" modern PLA vs. USMC
Post by: sundayhero on November 04, 2013, 05:05:37 PM
I can thank you (maybe my bank would disagree...  lol), since seeing your really good work convinced me to go for 20mm/1:72 instead of 15mm !

Can't wait to receive my own minis. I will play France current operations (Mali, Afghanistan).
Title: Re: "Battle For Skira" modern PLA vs. USMC
Post by: Sgt. Scream on November 09, 2013, 10:28:32 PM
I have finished my 1/72 scale AH-1Z Viper, call-sign "Starwolf 1-4".

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7311/10766466333_f0c1e7e553.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/101957074@N06/10766466333/)

(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2850/10766473093_e7ff07661c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/101957074@N06/10766473093/)

(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3800/10766301174_d58410be35.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/101957074@N06/10766301174/)

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5520/10766276546_8127e2d8ba.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/101957074@N06/10766276546/)

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7425/10766469543_c9fdd9c1b9.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/101957074@N06/10766469543/)

(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2843/10766187025_d26281cc3a.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/101957074@N06/10766187025/)
Title: Re: "Battle For Skira" modern PLA vs. USMC
Post by: sundayhero on November 09, 2013, 11:04:27 PM
Too cool  :o
Title: Re: "Battle For Skira" modern PLA vs. USMC
Post by: Doomsdave on November 10, 2013, 03:49:11 AM
Nice Cobra.  I am really enjoying your choppers.  I was an Aviation Electrician in a previous life and still love Helicopters.
Title: Re: "Battle For Skira" modern PLA vs. USMC
Post by: Elbows on November 13, 2013, 09:36:33 AM
Good lord these are some beautifully done helos!  I can't wait to see the rest of this project come along.  Gorgeous work!
Title: Re: "Battle For Skira" modern PLA vs. USMC
Post by: sundayhero on November 13, 2013, 11:18:51 AM
This is not the playing piece you'll bring in any convention demo  lol  Or only in a glass shelter...  lol
Title: Re: "Battle For Skira" modern PLA vs. USMC
Post by: Sgt. Scream on November 16, 2013, 12:26:31 PM
This is not the playing piece you'll bring in any convention demo  lol  Or only in a glass shelter...  lol

Depends on how well you pack it.  ;)

After finishing off the AH-1Z my next project for the "Battle For Skira" campaign is some ground vehicles. I picked my AAVP7A1 amtracks, call-sign "Gator", to be the next in line.

The models are one Dragon die-cast, expanded with EAAK made from resin (Black Dog CZ), and two Dragon Amtracks w/EAAK kits that got single pieces of stowage from Black Dog and other brands (S&S for example) glued all over the place. :-)

The diecast and one of the plastic kits are shown below in various stages of the current build. I need to assemble the next kit and will start painting when all are completely assembled.
(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5549/10884193616_b5e14aa7ce.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/101957074@N06/10884193616/)

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7442/10884469973_7d074c6f42.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/101957074@N06/10884469973/)

(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2805/10884304014_d4543cce67.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/101957074@N06/10884304014/)

(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3714/10884141235_00a349f3c7.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/101957074@N06/10884141235/)
Title: Re: "Battle For Skira" modern PLA vs. USMC
Post by: Sgt. Scream on November 16, 2013, 07:54:12 PM
I promised there would be more and I shall keep that promise. :-) A long afternoon of kit building later:

Gator #3 assembled and #2 received its primer
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7301/10890867094_708fe92fdd.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/101957074@N06/10890867094/)

(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2838/10890872834_6081671177.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/101957074@N06/10890872834/)

(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3750/10890768716_c62788c7a6.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/101957074@N06/10890768716/)
Title: Re: "Battle For Skira" modern PLA vs. USMC
Post by: sundayhero on November 16, 2013, 11:24:37 PM
"Combat wear" vehicles, full of gear, camo mesh, etc... is what I prefer in modern warfare historical models  :-*

I can't wait to start my owns, but french of course  ;)
Title: Re: "Battle For Skira" modern PLA vs. USMC
Post by: majorsmith on November 17, 2013, 11:55:22 AM
man this thread is awesome! the helicopters are amazing but these apcs are on another level!
Title: Re: "Battle For Skira" modern PLA vs. USMC
Post by: Westfalia Chris on November 17, 2013, 12:42:26 PM
Lovely beasties. :-* Also, I'm fascinated how big they are. I've got a Ferret Mk2 on the painting table right now and it is such a tiny thing... and then you see this monster on the far side of the spectrum.

Any plans for an LCAC to up the ante? ;)
Title: Re: "Battle For Skira" modern PLA vs. USMC
Post by: Arrigo on November 17, 2013, 01:16:48 PM
I have refrained to comment on this thread until now (mainly because I had to find my jaw...), but now I canbnot resist to express my admiration for the amtracks...

Anyway, I have noticed that recently less and less baggage is seen on them, as in M1A1, Lav25 or other vehicles. I know for sure the US Army had been quite strict on external stowage recently mainly for safety reason. As much we modellers love to make our gypsy caravans and as much troops like to stow everything, it seems that stowage is fire prone in combat. One Abrams was lost when stowed fuel bladder were punctured and then spilled on the engine grill and during the thunder run into Baghdad several vehicles caught fire because the external stowage was hit. Pictures from Italian Army vehicles from Iraq and A'stan show a marked reduction of external gear. I decided to have my Bradleys and Gator clean for that reason. Just preference of course.

Again compliment for the models! I am waiting to see the good guys, the PLA (ok also the Marines are good guys but for personal reasons I have problems with all the games where the Chinese are bad...).

Arrigo
Title: Re: "Battle For Skira" modern PLA vs. USMC
Post by: Sgt. Scream on November 17, 2013, 01:44:29 PM
Again compliment for the models! I am waiting to see the good guys, the PLA (ok also the Marines are good guys but for personal reasons I have problems with all the games where the Chinese are bad...).

Arrigo

Make the two of us.


Any plans for an LCAC to up the ante? ;)
If I get one for Xmas.
Title: Re: "Battle For Skira" modern PLA vs. USMC
Post by: Ray Earle on November 17, 2013, 04:33:20 PM
Brilliant work on those apc's. The lived in look works a treat.

Really like the helos too. Keeps reminding me of all the stuff I've got to build and paint yet.
Title: Re: "Battle For Skira" modern PLA vs. USMC
Post by: Sgt. Scream on April 27, 2014, 07:45:14 AM
It took me ages to finally find a copy of the Warrior Model 1/72 scale vacu-formed/resin kit of a NanChang Q-5 on ebay. This one came to me from a guy in Poland.

The Q-5 is a close air support/ground attacker aircraft, currently deployed by both, PLAAF (Chinese Air Force) and the PLA Navy.

This one is my first vacu-formed kit that I am ever going to assemble. That means its going to be interesting...  :scratch:

If you look at the box contents, you'll see that the main fuselage and wings are vacu-formed white plastic, while weapons, cockpit and parts of the landing gear are either resin cast or white metal. The metal parts I won't need for the most part since I am going to assemble the kit "in flight" on a flight stand. I am also planning on exchanging the resin cast FAB-250 bombs with plastic ones from Dragon Models' Soviet Aircraft payload kits in 1/72 scale. I might also use my Dream Model chinese LGBs to put them under the wings instead of the 57mm rocket pods. The modern Q-5 can carry up to two of them.

Check out the pics:
(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2913/14036493043_01cf74bc99.jpg) (https://www.flickr.com/photos/101957074@N06/14036493043/)
Contents: decals, instructions, painting guides, resin payload and detail parts, white metal landing gear etc..

(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2900/14036493903_1fb36ac1bb.jpg) (https://www.flickr.com/photos/101957074@N06/14036493903/)
Box: includes one kit, several decals for both, PLAAF and Pakistani Air Force

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7335/14016490875_c0975373d6.jpg) (https://www.flickr.com/photos/101957074@N06/14016490875/)

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7154/13993379816_77a19e2baa.jpg) (https://www.flickr.com/photos/101957074@N06/13993379816/)

Title: Re: "Battle For Skira" modern PLA vs. USMC
Post by: Westfalia Chris on April 27, 2014, 09:21:57 AM
Ohh, now that looks like a challenge! I'm looking forward to what you'll make of it. I trust you've already "done your homework" on vacucast, but if you can find some good tutorials on how to prepare and work the stuff, I strongly suggest you use them. I've had this one bookmarked for a while and it is a good starting point:

http://www.oldmodelkits.com/blog/plasitc-model-kits-how-tos/how-to-build-vacuform-model-kits/

Removing and preparing the parts from the sheets is crucial and easy to mess up, and although it is a small-enough model, I'd suggest you think about adding some spars or bulkheads to add rigidity.

That said, it is a rather unusual piece of kit! Amazing when you consider it boils down to a souped-up MiG-19...
Title: Re: "Battle For Skira" modern PLA vs. USMC
Post by: Sgt. Scream on April 29, 2014, 06:37:45 PM
Following a few guides on the internet on modelling vacu-form kits, the first steps I took was using a black marker and draw it around the parts in an 45° angle. I tried to mark 50% of both, the actual parts and the styrene sheet around it.
(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2929/14063009502_8674d111f0.jpg) (https://www.flickr.com/photos/101957074@N06/14063009502/)

I then used scissors and hobby knife to cut out the parts. I tried not cut too close to the parts before they have been freed of the styrene sheet left overs around it. Next step will be cutting them out very closely using my hobby knife and then the sanding process will kick off.
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7066/14043055716_f5a8aa34db.jpg) (https://www.flickr.com/photos/101957074@N06/14043055716/)
Title: Re: "Battle For Skira" modern PLA vs. USMC
Post by: Nysse on April 30, 2014, 10:35:33 AM
Brave man! Vacuformed kits can be a real pain to build. I've tried a few in the past and will be avoiding them in the future if there is any possibility :D

Great work on the helos and amtraks. Can't wait to see more from you
Title: Re: "Battle For Skira" modern PLA vs. USMC
Post by: Sgt. Scream on May 01, 2014, 09:16:26 PM
Today I have sanded the first parts of the Fantan. I started with something small to try it and so the smaller rear wings were first to go.

(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2930/14080507981_839083eee2.jpg) (https://www.flickr.com/photos/101957074@N06/14080507981/)
The first pic shows the already sanded parts for the left rear wing. Above those you can see how the parts were looking like on top and from underneath before sanding.

(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2912/13897087249_8fc8c07a38.jpg) (https://www.flickr.com/photos/101957074@N06/13897087249/)
After sanding them with 120 grid and 180 grid sand paper, they became really thin but to my surprise still very stiff.

(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2933/13897080907_7f09a9f130.jpg) (https://www.flickr.com/photos/101957074@N06/13897080907/)

At first I thought the wings will be hollow on the inside but after sanding it became clear that the two halves will have a large surface to put glue on top.

Tomorrow the sanding process will continue and I might already have a wing or two show off with. :-)
Title: Re: "Battle For Skira" modern PLA vs. USMC
Post by: Elbows on May 02, 2014, 10:14:46 PM
Easy Model makes a J10A in 1/72nd scale...perhaps you could repaint it?

http://www.easymodel.net/index.php/Index/ProductDetail/id/258.html

Title: Re: "Battle For Skira" modern PLA vs. USMC
Post by: Sgt. Scream on May 02, 2014, 11:16:33 PM
I have 1/72 scale kit from Trumpeter that should do it for now.  ;)
Title: Re: "Battle For Skira" modern PLA vs. USMC
Post by: Sgt. Scream on May 03, 2014, 05:11:51 PM
Today I continued with sanding the parts of the wings and fuselage.

Here is what the wing's upper and lower half are looking like after I sanded them down:
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5513/14093927002_8a0ce0ce0d.jpg) (https://www.flickr.com/photos/101957074@N06/14093927002/)

And then glued together:
(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2914/13910394647_8a3a789129.jpg) (https://www.flickr.com/photos/101957074@N06/13910394647/)

Obviously the parts will need some trimming here and there but more or less they fitting together quite well.

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7437/13910394037_c604980e02.jpg) (https://www.flickr.com/photos/101957074@N06/13910394037/)
The two parts of the fuselage.

The fuselage was sanded down to a certain degree, too. I opened up the air intakes and cut out where the cockpit will be placed later on.
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7199/14097025935_205338843e.jpg) (https://www.flickr.com/photos/101957074@N06/14097025935/)

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7457/13910392237_0c89ef76ac.jpg) (https://www.flickr.com/photos/101957074@N06/13910392237/)

(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5566/13910391537_5bb5ea27e2.jpg) (https://www.flickr.com/photos/101957074@N06/13910391537/)
The parts so far...

(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5587/14093812681_1110b87a8d.jpg) (https://www.flickr.com/photos/101957074@N06/14093812681/)
I expected the wing to need some major trimming and cutting before it will fit onto the main fuselage, but to my surprise it won't be necessary.

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7306/13910397129_7f2a49790f.jpg) (https://www.flickr.com/photos/101957074@N06/13910397129/)
I added small stripes of styrene sheet to one side. It will help to align the two halves and gives the model some sturdiness.
Title: Re: "Battle For Skira" modern PLA vs. USMC
Post by: Sgt. Scream on July 25, 2014, 07:52:34 PM
It's been a while since I last worked on my Q-5 "Fantan".

I have added the air intakes and put together the two halves of the fuselage. As you can see, a lot of green stuff was necessary to fill the gaps. :-(

I have not sanded the model yet so the filled gaps look pretty rough on those pics. Once having sanded them and adding a layer of fine putty (even more sanding afterwards) I am sure it will be looking OK.

I have ordered a 1/72 scale MiG-19 since the Fantan and the MiG are similar in appearance and the Q-5 is based upon the famous Soviet fighter. Some parts of this kit will come handy to complete the Fantan.


(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2934/14708922053_e6fa8e3516.jpg) (https://www.flickr.com/photos/101957074@N06/14708922053/)

(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3876/14688754952_9f500da491.jpg) (https://www.flickr.com/photos/101957074@N06/14688754952/)
Title: Re: "Battle For Skira" modern PLA vs. USMC
Post by: Sgt. Scream on July 27, 2014, 03:43:35 PM
(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2913/14757551795_1eaa947641.jpg) (https://www.flickr.com/photos/101957074@N06/14757551795/)
Slowly everything is coming together. The cockpit canopy (which I took from a MiG 19) still needs some filling with green stuff, the fuselage needs another go with putty in some places but other than that its starting to look like a proper airplane. If work continues to go on like today I might be able to put primer on next weekend. :-)
Title: Re: "Battle For Skira" modern PLA vs. USMC
Post by: Westfalia Chris on July 27, 2014, 03:49:09 PM
Do you actually use Kneadatite (Greenstuff) for the putty works? I always found that to be terrible to sand and switched to Milliput and MagicSculpt for that reason.

Apart from that, looking great now that the plan is coming together! It still is a strange-looking plane to me (somehow I find the side intakes irritating), but I'm sure it will look rather fine once assembled and painted.
Title: Re: "Battle For Skira" modern PLA vs. USMC
Post by: Sgt. Scream on July 27, 2014, 03:59:35 PM
Do you actually use Kneadatite (Greenstuff) for the putty works? I always found that to be terrible to sand and switched to Milliput and MagicSculpt for that reason.

I do. I use it to fill larger gaps. Putty (Revell or Milliput) is then used to smoothen the surfaces. I haven't tried magic sculpt yet but I have heard that its not bad.
Title: Re: "Battle For Skira" modern PLA vs. USMC
Post by: Sgt. Scream on July 29, 2014, 08:54:02 AM
Another couple of hours went into the build and this is the current status: some more work with putty here and there and I think I really can go over with primer this weekend. *yeah!*   :D
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5573/14794586833_2c0a8fb215.jpg) (https://www.flickr.com/photos/101957074@N06/14794586833/)

(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5595/14794586373_61c425c587.jpg) (https://www.flickr.com/photos/101957074@N06/14794586373/)
Title: Re: "Battle For Skira" modern PLA vs. USMC
Post by: Sgt. Scream on August 01, 2014, 06:19:08 PM
I have put primer on ;-) All coming together now. Barely visible that it was not an injection-mould kit.
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3901/14616493418_421d4495e2_s.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/ogBmgd)DSCF2867 (https://flic.kr/p/ogBmgd)
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3860/14802757982_012053c277_s.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/oy51ed)DSCF2866 (https://flic.kr/p/oy51ed)
Title: Re: "Battle For Skira" modern PLA vs. USMC
Post by: von Lucky on August 01, 2014, 11:27:34 PM
Top effort - all the birds in here are beauties.
Title: Re: "Battle For Skira" modern PLA vs. USMC
Post by: Sgt. Scream on August 06, 2014, 09:40:50 PM

(http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m185/Plasmasturm/DSCF2868_zps439d46c1.jpg) (http://s104.photobucket.com/user/Plasmasturm/media/DSCF2868_zps439d46c1.jpg.html)

(http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m185/Plasmasturm/DSCF2869_zps29e13a13.jpg) (http://s104.photobucket.com/user/Plasmasturm/media/DSCF2869_zps29e13a13.jpg.html)

I have decided to give the Fantan a classic gloss white paintjob like its used with the PLA Navy air units. It just had the first layers painted on, so this is far from being finished of course. I painted the pilot (he's missing one arm, because otherwise I won't be able to fit the ejection seat into the cockpit - I'll glue it in place once he's in there).

Four FAB-250 low drag bombs that will go under the fuselage can be seen as well as a WIP of the Fantan's flight base.

This is what I am looking to achieve once completely painted:
(http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m185/Plasmasturm/q5-echelon_zps9fb326ae.jpg) (http://s104.photobucket.com/user/Plasmasturm/media/q5-echelon_zps9fb326ae.jpg.html)
Title: Re: "Battle For Skira" modern PLA vs. USMC
Post by: Ash on August 07, 2014, 07:50:35 AM
Excellent job on the build, you must have a very steady hand when it comes to cutting plastic!
Looking forward to paint.
Title: Re: "Battle For Skira" modern PLA vs. USMC
Post by: Sgt. Scream on August 07, 2014, 03:47:49 PM
Excellent job on the build, you must have a very steady hand when it comes to cutting plastic!
Looking forward to paint.

Thanks. It needed A LOT OF sanding, putty and green stuff to get it look like this. Never again. ;D

Painting should be interesting. I want to put gloss varnish on top of the model (with decals in place of course) and then give it a pin-wash of black oil paint for panel lines...
Title: Re: "Battle For Skira" modern PLA vs. USMC
Post by: Sgt. Scream on August 09, 2014, 04:10:39 PM
I have spent this afternoon with painting little details here and there, that I wanted to be finished before the gloss varnish layers are applied.

The decals have been taken from various Soviet aircraft and out of the vaccu-form kit itself. Surprisingly they went on quite easily although they were already pretty faded (probably very old). Good thing about faded colours is: it looks natural on an aircraft that is used by the Chinese navy.

The decals were applied using the Micro Set and Micro Sol solutions. I will let everything dry over night and apply the varnish tomorrow. That will allow weathering and pin (panel) wash with oil paints next week.

I am really excited how the kit turned out. I would have never imagined I am capable of building a vaccu-form model. But I can also tell you: it was probably the one and only I will ever assemble. ;-)

(http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m185/Plasmasturm/DSCF2870_zps162c0e9b.jpg) (http://s104.photobucket.com/user/Plasmasturm/media/DSCF2870_zps162c0e9b.jpg.html)
(http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m185/Plasmasturm/DSCF2873_zpse199a67e.jpg) (http://s104.photobucket.com/user/Plasmasturm/media/DSCF2873_zpse199a67e.jpg.html)
(http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m185/Plasmasturm/DSCF2872_zps231114ca.jpg) (http://s104.photobucket.com/user/Plasmasturm/media/DSCF2872_zps231114ca.jpg.html)
Title: Re: "Battle For Skira" modern PLA vs. USMC
Post by: commissarmoody on August 09, 2014, 07:18:40 PM
Coming together nicely
Title: Re: "Battle For Skira" modern PLA vs. USMC
Post by: Elbows on August 10, 2014, 07:30:50 PM
Very cool...can't wait to see it mounted.  You going to dirty it up at all?
Title: Re: "Battle For Skira" modern PLA vs. USMC
Post by: Sgt. Scream on August 10, 2014, 09:39:33 PM
Very cool...can't wait to see it mounted.  You going to dirty it up at all?


To some degree, yes. A few marks of rust here and there, minimal chipping paint effects and streaks of oil and dust. After all, the Q-5 is in service since a long time.
Title: Re: "Battle For Skira" modern PLA vs. USMC
Post by: Sgt. Scream on August 12, 2014, 07:09:16 PM
(http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m185/Plasmasturm/DSCF2874_zps6a74b6cf.jpg) (http://s104.photobucket.com/user/Plasmasturm/media/DSCF2874_zps6a74b6cf.jpg.html)
Today I've painted the panel lines. I used Revell's matt black enamel paint, thinned down with turpentine. This needs to dry until tomorrow evening and then I have to carefully clean any excess paint around the recesses. Stay tuned.
Title: Re: "Battle For Skira" modern PLA vs. USMC
Post by: georgec on August 12, 2014, 08:01:00 PM
Have you ever tried 'Future' floor wax for washes and as a high gloss protective layer before a Matt varnish? This link

http://www.armorama.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=SquawkBox&file=index&req=viewtopic&topic_id=199870&page=1

Has details of the product in Germany and a link describing its 'magic' properties as a high surface-tension varnish.  Does particularly amazing things to the clarity of plastic canopies
Title: Re: "Battle For Skira" modern PLA vs. USMC
Post by: sundayhero on August 12, 2014, 11:41:11 PM
Personnaly, I'm using future floor for the decals. It's very eficient to hide "silvering" effect.

I can't wait to see the next step. I'm very interesting with your pannelling technic. I like paneling, but it takes ages to do since I'm simply "drawing" them with a 5/0 brush and black ink.
Title: Re: "Battle For Skira" modern PLA vs. USMC
Post by: Sgt. Scream on August 15, 2014, 06:33:03 PM
(http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m185/Plasmasturm/DSCF2875_zps489750d8.jpg) (http://s104.photobucket.com/user/Plasmasturm/media/DSCF2875_zps489750d8.jpg.html)
Today a considerable amount of time went into cleaning the panel lines' excess paint away. After I was done with this step, I added some weathering and dirt to the aircraft, using washes and Tamiya weathering set powders. I think I am going to leave the Fantan this way, finally adding pilot, canopy, payload and base with the next steps.
Title: Re: "Battle For Skira" modern PLA vs. USMC
Post by: Westfalia Chris on August 15, 2014, 07:24:26 PM
While the panelling looks rather nice, I think it is a bit heavy compared to your work on the choppers you showed before, which were a bit more subtle, which is more to my liking. It may, of course, just be the lighting in that it makes it look more stark than it actually is. Nevertheless, I'm looking forward to seeing the finished article.
Title: Re: "Battle For Skira" modern PLA vs. USMC
Post by: Sgt. Scream on August 21, 2014, 09:04:50 PM
Hongdu Q-5 "Fantan" - finished
We went from this
(http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m185/Plasmasturm/q5boxcontent_zpsccc4704d.jpg) (http://s104.photobucket.com/user/Plasmasturm/media/q5boxcontent_zpsccc4704d.jpg.html)

to this

(http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m185/Plasmasturm/DSCF2883_zps0235fbd5.jpg) (http://s104.photobucket.com/user/Plasmasturm/media/DSCF2883_zps0235fbd5.jpg.html)
"Fantan" and base finished

(http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m185/Plasmasturm/DSCF2884_zps3273b52c.jpg) (http://s104.photobucket.com/user/Plasmasturm/media/DSCF2884_zps3273b52c.jpg.html)
ready to fly CAS missions, using guns, rockets and two FAB-250 bombs to support ground troops


(http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m185/Plasmasturm/DSCF2885_zpsd839fc7f.jpg) (http://s104.photobucket.com/user/Plasmasturm/media/DSCF2885_zpsd839fc7f.jpg.html)
The aircraft is held in place by a strong magnet. The base can be adjusted in height.
Title: Re: "Battle For Skira" modern PLA vs. USMC
Post by: von Lucky on August 21, 2014, 10:21:04 PM
Love it. Was really worth the effort you put into it.

Looking forward to you making a second one :)
Title: Re: "Battle For Skira" modern PLA vs. USMC
Post by: Gunbird on August 21, 2014, 10:21:31 PM
Just what the Chinese doctor ordered! You make a model like that look really good.

How much more needs to be finished before you can get a game in?
Title: Re: "Battle For Skira" modern PLA vs. USMC
Post by: Sgt. Scream on August 21, 2014, 10:30:20 PM
Basicly all the infantry.  :o o_o
Title: Re: "Battle For Skira" modern PLA vs. USMC
Post by: Gunbird on August 21, 2014, 10:31:37 PM
Get cracking then!  ;D
Title: Re: "Battle For Skira" modern PLA vs. USMC
Post by: Dangerdaz on August 21, 2014, 10:48:39 PM
Looks marvellous!
Title: Re: "Battle For Skira" modern PLA vs. USMC
Post by: sundayhero on August 21, 2014, 11:10:37 PM
Really nice ! Is this a  vacuum formed styren kit ?  I didn't know it existed for anything else than slotcars !

What will you use for PLA infantry ?
Title: Re: "Battle For Skira" modern PLA vs. USMC
Post by: Sgt. Scream on August 22, 2014, 01:05:24 AM
Really nice ! Is this a  vacuum formed styren kit ?  I didn't know it existed for anything else than slotcars !

What will you use for PLA infantry ?

Yes, it was. made in Poland by a little company called Warrior Models.

Elhiem's new range of PLA.