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Miniatures Adventure => Future Wars => Topic started by: Ray Rivers on November 02, 2013, 11:34:02 AM
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Have you seen this!
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1621774283/battle-systemstm-sci-fi-modular-terrain
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/assets/001/068/873/5582c9eef9470c78a1e350a68a90125d_large.jpg?1381508062)
Looks pretty cool.
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Looks cool, hope the card is strong
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I have been looking forward to this one for some time. Originally the kickstarter was going to happen this summer, but hey it is here now and already funded!
The cardstock is 1.7mm, but that doesn't say how sturdy it will be. You can have the same card stock thickness but different cardboard, one more flexible than the other.
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Looks cool, hope the card is strong
Indeed, I would hope so as well.
However, when you view the "How it Works" video, it appears that stacking the pieces and building multi-levels is one of the main features of the system.
I also like the way you can store it (a big problem for me) so easily.
Ah yes, and I really like the way they make their walls with the canted sides.
I'll be giving this one some thought... but it looks very smart and an easy way to get some great sci-fi scenery for all kinds of games.
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I pledged. Looks great
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I pledged. Looks great
Same here. I knew their previous terrain, but you had to glue everything up. That's not the case here, so I backed it right away, lol.
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Is this company related to the Malifaux terraclips stuff?
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No. That was WorldWorksGames in collaboration with Wyrd.
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But the idea looks very similar to Terraclips...which was pretty decent stuff (not great, but decent). It's a bit of a pain to assemble and re-assemble, but if you make small sections which remain modular it's all quite good. I may have to break my no-spending policy and pledge on for this stuff, as I'd love to do some nice sci-fi gaming in a setup like that...grrrr...
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Yikes! :o
Don't know if these guys have thought this out real well... they will break there next stretch goal tomorrow.
Perhaps a case where they should be thinking in terms of much larger amounts of money.
Anyway... hope they have some surprises coming. I'm waiting for the med lab stuff to come out.
Edit: Reading through the updates it appears that there will now be three different screens for the V consoles.
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Better to see them taking the cautious approach and be pleasently surprised than having dreams of grandeur and being sorely disappointed... I loathe seeing kickstarters with cool ideas fail ;)
I'd choose that pre-printed cardboard stuff over laser-cut wood any day.
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I've just stumbled onto this kickstarter and am very intrigued...I've been about to start up a rogue trader 40k project...but don't want to go the route of open battlefield type battles...I prefer the idea of boarding parties and the like...so this looks perfect....temptation! I may have to clear some more lead out in the next 29 days to make this possible... o_o
Cheers,
Blue
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I've pledged in for Stronghold level as I can use this for heaps of games I play.
LGW
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I've just stumbled onto this kickstarter and am very intrigued...I've been about to start up a rogue trader 40k project...but don't want to go the route of open battlefield type battles...I prefer the idea of boarding parties and the like...so this looks perfect....temptation! I may have to clear some more lead out in the next 29 days to make this possible... o_o
Cheers,
Blue
I also will use these for RT ! :)
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I also will use these for RT ! :)
Glad im not the only one! I would love for it to look a little more beat up for RT play but you cant have everything! I also wish they would show a build in a slightly more liner style....while i like the large rooms I would envision my "missions" being more about penetrating into a ship to take out the bridge or engine room...rescue captives etc.
anyway...I think I will make this happen at the stronghold level...even with the rather stiff international shipping it will still be much cheaper and faster than any table construction I will do in the near future!
cheers,
Bluw
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I'd go for a bloodied version too to be honest, great for sci fi horror like dead space, aliens, event horizon, sci fi cthulhu, that sort of thing.
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I think a linear structure is very doable... probably quite easy.
The standard tile is 8 inches x 8 inches, so if you lined them all up (x9) that's 2 yards, though the rooms would be kinda small.
One of the things I will be looking to get is some extra tiles, both large and small... but especially the small ones because that would give you more space vertically and also could be used as small rooms or corridors if building horizontally.
I do agree, though, it would be nice to see a shot of a horizontal build simulating, for example, a space ship.
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One comment....couldn't see any of the plastic clips in the example layout (as part of the actual layout rather than as a standalone). Previous card/clip combos have been swathed in plastic clips which detract from the overall effect...are they all hidden somehow, or did the manufacturer think the terrain didnt look so great covered in shiny plastic clips?
Just a thought.
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One comment....couldn't see any of the plastic clips in the example layout (as part of the actual layout rather than as a standalone). Previous card/clip combos have been swathed in plastic clips which detract from the overall effect...are they all hidden somehow, or did the manufacturer think the terrain didnt look so great covered in shiny plastic clips?
Just a thought.
The clips are in the videos. To be honest there doesn't seem to be many and the ones that are there are clear plastic and appear to be relatively well hidden.
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Yeah I think those ramps at the bottom of each wall section hide many...but not all ...of the clips.
Cheers,
Blue
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Well... the clips are there, but they are clear and transparent, so they are hard to see:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v732/lavaslair/clips_zpsc691e4d6.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/lavaslair/media/clips_zpsc691e4d6.jpg.html)
Much easier here:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v732/lavaslair/clamps2_zpsfa12553c.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/lavaslair/media/clamps2_zpsfa12553c.jpg.html)
Depends on the lighting.
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I think a linear structure is very doable... probably quite easy.
The standard tile is 8 inches x 8 inches, so if you lined them all up (x9) that's 2 yards, though the rooms would be kinda small.
One of the things I will be looking to get is some extra tiles, both large and small... but especially the small ones because that would give you more space vertically and also could be used as small rooms or corridors if building horizontally.
I do agree, though, it would be nice to see a shot of a horizontal build simulating, for example, a space ship.
Would be nice to she a photo with a space hulk mission layout.
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Amy and me have just thrown some money at this as it will be great for so many games (DWMG, Deadzone, AvP, Sedition Wars and more).
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I'd be tempted by this if I hadn't just thrown money at the Mars Attacks kickstarter. I guess I'll be giving the money to my FLGS when Battle System releases this to the public.
Kickstarter, the most dangerous thing to happen to gamers since collectible card games...
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This one is really perking along nicely...more stretch goals have been achieved and new add-ons keep appearing...the temptation is growing! ;D
Cheers,
Blue
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Looking forward to this coming out next year.
Currently looking at all the various games I can play on it. So many to choose from not sure where to start.
LGW
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The sample dungeon wall, cut from the same die as the SF walls, looks surprisingly good too.
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I'd like to, but the price for a 4x4 of this was waaaay outside my price range - unless I was doing it as a piecemeal thing - where it would take a year to get it together.
If I didn't pay GW $400 for their RoB, I'm sure as hell not paying $580 for a cardboard terrain table layout (yes, those are AUD prices). The 4x4 size for this table worked out at £320.
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I'd like to, but the price for a 4x4 of this was waaaay outside my price range - unless I was doing it as a piecemeal thing - where it would take a year to get it together.
If I didn't pay GW $400 for their RoB, I'm sure as hell not paying $580 for a cardboard terrain table layout (yes, those are AUD prices). The 4x4 size for this table worked out at £320.
Just a thought, but the Stronghold set looks like it has far too much wall material for a single 2x2 board. You could buy three extra sets of floor tiles (£26 to cover a 2x2 board), or print them out from someone else's PDFs, or get some textured plasticard for the floors (6 sheets for each 2x2 area). You'd then have to stretch out the walls and scenics as much as possible, but you could add to those piecemeal.
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Posted this on one of the local gamers Yahoo groups - surprisingly no negative comments about it being a historical group but maybe the unofficial motto "Anything historical, anything miniatures" is becoming more of a reality htan in the past.
Unfortunately, I am looking to move from 25+ mm to 15/6/3 mm for games so it isn't in my interest to participate in the KS.
Gracias,
Glenn
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I dont have vast sums to throw at the hobby, but this product fills a niche that I had given up on. I can handle and enjoy the amount of time, expense and effort involved in making/buying/assembling and painting various exterior terrain sets, but once interiors become involved its just too much of a time sink for me.
I am hopeful that I can fire <€200 at this and then not worry about 95% of my interior terrain again, giving me more time to paint toy soldiers. I spent €120 on a getting a pair of Zuzzy mats sent across the atlantic a couple of years ago and it was some of the best hobby budget spent ever in terms of practicality and repeated use. I am hoping for a similar amount of return here.
So I am in on this one. Fingers crossed that the shiny clear clips are less prominent than they are on the Malifaux Terraclips stuff.
I'd go for a bloodied version too to be honest, great for sci fi horror like dead space, aliens, event horizon, sci fi cthulhu, that sort of thing.
Im pleased that its largely a pristine set of graphics. Its quite easy to take a terrain set in one of the directions above if desired, but its almost impossible to do the reverse.
Even though the majority of the games that I will play on it will likely be of a Dead Space/Aliens/Event Horizon nature (funnily enough) I can also happily have some Starfleet or Star Wars guys wander around without it looking too horror specific.
If I had full control I would make the set a little less industrial and a little more clean edged, more 2001 or Death Star interior in places, but thats a taste thing really I suppose.
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I'd want them all Paul. Clean, dirty and bloodied sci-fi :D
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I have been in conversations with the nice chap at Battle Systems, Colin, and have been trying to get him to add a new pledge level to the KS.
We basically need a "Hulk" pledge level that would be multiples of the STATION pledge.
This would give you a lot of rooms and corridors and make the whole pledge a ONE LEVEL gaming environment. No walk ways, no gantries no stairs. Just a large single level interior space.
Colin very much liked my idea and is looking in to the possibility of adding it as a new pledge level. So i suggest if any other LAf members would also like a large sci fi interior space, a HULK pledge level, PM Colin and express your interest as well.
If a few of us on here PM him, it may very well happen!
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I have been in conversations with the nice chap at Battle Systems, Colin, and have been trying to get him to add a new pledge level to the KS.
We basically need a "Hulk" pledge level that would be multiples of the STATION pledge.
This would give you a lot of rooms and corridors and make the whole pledge a ONE LEVEL gaming environment. No walk ways, no gantries no stairs. Just a large single level interior space.
Colin very much liked my idea and is looking in to the possibility of adding it as a new pledge level. So i suggest if any other LAf members would also like a large sci fi interior space, a HULK pledge level, PM Colin and express your interest as well.
If a few of us on here PM him, it may very well happen!
So that's what you were going on about in your text. I'll call Harry this week re the other commissioned bits we we where waiting on as it's November now :D
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@ Col. Aubrey Bagshot
I like the idea of a 'Hulk' multiple of the station, I am in at Stronghold level, but a good deal on a few multiple of the station would be what I really would think might work.
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So that's what you were going on about in your text. I'll call Harry this week re the other commissioned bits we we where waiting on as it's November now :D
Covering all my bases... ;)
And anyway, if Battle systems have had the die's cut to enable them to have all the sheets of walls ect produced, the images or textures on those sheets of card could be changed.... ie the "other" stylee of walls we were looking for could be card and not perspex!
As i have ALL the high res images all ready to go, as you know.....
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@ Col. Aubrey Bagshot
I like the idea of a 'Hulk' multiple of the station, I am in at Stronghold level, but a good deal on a few multiple of the station would be what I really would think might work.
Thanks Marauderman, and If more people could email Battle systems about this idea, we could very well get them to add it as an option....
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I emailed them regarding the Hulk pledge I got this response on the main comments page:
@Lord GreyWolf
You've done loads and I'm sure you will get us some cross backers. The HULK pelage is a big number crunching exercise, I will have a look tonight. :o)
LGW
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That sounds like an interesting idea....how do you recommend reaching out to him....thru email? thru the comments on the KS page?
Cheers,
Chris
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I used the "contact" button on the Kickstarter page... they are pretty good with checking their messages.
LGW
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I knew they'd make that Medi-bay an add-on. >:(
;)
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Just heard that we should have a new option for a single level large set pledge by the end of the week!
So all those space hulk or aliens gamers should be rather happy about that....
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The space hulk pledge is up now for those interested.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1621774283/battle-systemstm-sci-fi-modular-terrain/posts/661959
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its not quite a pledge more of an add on.
If you are wanting just the "Hulk" set up then you will need to pledge at the £1 pledge level and then add the value of the hulk to that plus what ever postage you need to cover.
for example:
U.K: £1+£70+£8= £79 for just the Hulk + stretch goals [Hulk only]
R.oW: £1+£70+£16= £87 for just the Hulk + stretch goals [Hulk only]
or you can add it to your Stronghold pledge just add the £70 to your current amount.
Note: if you have pledge for a double Early Bird Stronghold but wish to have 1 Stronghold and 1 hulk you would need to change your pledge to a single Stronghold and then add on the Hulk. This was done to make easier on new backers and also on BSL. So you will need to decide whether to keep your Early bird or drop it so you could add a bigger foot print to your table and have more choices.
LGW
NB: Also don't forget to include your postage in your pledge £8 for the U.K and £16 for the Rest of the World. It seems some backers have forgotten to do this.
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Good news! That pledge is for me. ;D
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I keep coming back to this )even though I originally dismissed it), thinking that although I would prefer to make my own sci-fi table when will I actually get round to it? In terms of gaming it may actually save a stalled project that risks being sold off! The reports from the AVP gaming day held by Prodos last weekend seem to rate it quite favourably. What to do ???
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those are my thoughts exactly...I don't even have time to complete the Fantasy terrain that I want to have...so the idea of an "out of the box" Sci-Fi table at a reasonable price seems like a great idea to me. I'm only in at the 1 pound level now but will be upping to a stronghold and some extra floor tiles and walls.
Cheers,
Blue
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so the idea of an "out of the box" Sci-Fi table at a reasonable price seems like a great idea to me.
Me too.
But I'm going to wait to the last minute to pledge. >:D
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The thing that puts me off is the relatively small size; £78 for a 2x2' table.
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After the Docking Bay was unlocked I couldn't control myself and I pledged... o_o
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I like the stuff I really do. My concerns are:
It's quite a lot of cash for a small set up (I'd planned on a 4'x4' set up). I could probably only afford a 2'x2' with perhaps a few extra floor tiles.
I have a load of resin sci-fi terrain from Ainsty's brilliant sale from this time last year and I'm uncertain of how it would look with the cardboard furniture, etc. I.e. would it jar visually?
I really planned on making my own from mdf tiles and foamboard.
The pros as I see them are:
It's a terrain set up that is totally modular; you can have
a different set up every time you play.
You can use it right out of the box. It could take me years to get around to building my own and finishing it!
You can take it apart and store it really easily unlike something I would build myself.
So I'm still somewhat on the fence!
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Yep, same concerns here.
Have a lot of sci fi terrain. Figure I can repaint a lot of it so it fits in.
The "use it right out of the box" and store it easily is what swung it for me.
I also got the add-on of 3 more floor tiles.
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I finally uped to the stronghold and will. Retain oh do
Some add one in the pledge survey...possibly adding a hulk or at least more
Floor tiles and the med bay etc.
My rationale has everything with one of your final points. I have more fantasy terrain to build for my principal obsession project...that I'll pretty much never get it all finished ...plus I want to do some small scale Sci fi skirmish in the mean time...so this is a no brainer for me...plus I'm starting from scratch so no other terrain to match.
As to size. They only seem to show square set ups in there photos and vids....I think a stronghold plus add ons could make an excellent long thin corridor with a couple of big rooms...some or which have a second story component.
Cheers,
Blue
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On the website they have external walls to create buildings and modules. Are these downloads?
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no....
;)
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Well they're not part of the ks are they hulk junky? ;)
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The stuff in the website is downloadable....the KS is pre printed in thick card. The two ranges are comparable in size and scale but not in finish....if that makes sense...?!
Blue
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Cheers Blue. Are they compatible?
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Good Lord!
At the last minute (with 6 hours to go) they are adding outside "bunker walls!" :o
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/assets/001/396/870/24b993dbb4f0012f18cca7cf86dd1bc5_large.jpg?1385911128)
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Appears the bunker walls will be unlocked at $200,000 and be an add-on.
These folks have run a really good KS.
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I saw...... bugger! Ooooo :o
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I saw...... bugger! Ooooo :o
Should be a very interesting evening.......
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Silly me... just bought the bunker set... ;D
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I have been humming and harring over this since day one, perhaps I should jump in?
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I have been humming and harring over this since day one, perhaps I should jump in?
yeah same here. I will give it another hour of thinking...
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Um I'm not sure if the outside puts me off, £40 is a big add on.....
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I just gave in.... I don't really NEED this, but I really want to play Space Hulk or something similar with augmented rules on such stuff... ::)
Stronghold level for me.... Damned Kickstarter!!! ;D
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I just gave in.... I don't really NEED this, but I really want to play Space Hulk or something similar with augmented rules on such stuff... ::)
Stronghold level for me.... Damned Kickstarter!!! ;D
Damn, you are another me!
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Should be a very interesting evening.......
I might just piggy back on your pledge calculator Ian. I bloody hate kickstarters! :D
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Still can't make up my mind, damn it! I've been looking at getting some basic rooms cut out of mdf that I can put on a board but I haven't got a grasp of how much it would cost yet so I still don't know if it's viable.
Out of the box vs DIY? I don't know.
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Well... for 126 GBP you can get a Stronghold and a Bunker set and be able to play just about any type of Sci Fi game.
I think in the end I got the Bunker set because it just seems to give the whole thing an overall great looking piece of terrain.
Also because I'm out of my mind... o_o
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I think we probably all are to a certain degree! It's why we are here after all :D
I'd ideally like a Stronghold and Hulk but that's crayzeeeeee money!
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I'm in can I add add ons wih paypal after?
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I'm in can I add add ons wih paypal after?
Yep
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In for a quid so will decide later. Saw the alien hive wall sections will be nice when done if done correctly. ;)
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Who would have guessed... I caved. stronghold and a few add-ons... lol
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I'm tempted to pledge for the docking bay alone, and the use of warpath miniatures isn't helping me resist.....
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Well... a really interesting KS and quite entertaining, almost emotional ending.
Glad I participated and am looking forward to getting my hands on the terrain.
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In for a quid so will decide later. Saw the alien hive wall sections will be nice when done if done correctly. ;)
I did the same. The bunker walls and infected walls are very tempting. I watched the videos on a big screen (I.e. not my phone) for the first time and it looks even more convincing. I'm not normally a card terrain fan, though some people (the Commander included) have done impressive stuff with it.
It looks like the Battle Systems guys have run a good kickstarter so well done to them.
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I wonder how many others opted for the £1 now, and decide at leisure option....
Even though it was over funded, i wonder what the actual total will be from full pledges + options later when the questionaire goes out?
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My decision wasn't so much so I can decide later but more related to not having any money at the moment! That being said, I still can't decide!
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I have to say that the bunker add on was a bit steep. If it had been 20£ and less wall
Space I would have gone for it. I reserve the right to change my mind and pick it up later...;)
Blue
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Agreed the 40 beans is a lot for the bunker set. It will, however, cover the full perimeter of the 3x3 floor though, so it is a lot of card.
As a note, as the time was counting down and the last of the stretch goals fell, the folks of BS were chatting about costs and it seemed pretty apparent that they were not going to make any money from this KS. They plan to use this as a launching pad to producing card terrain.
Yep, pricy, but it will get them all the tools they need to produce the kits for retail and hopefully make some money in the future.
This is the kinda thing I believe KS was designed to do, get folks started, not serve as a pre-order special or generate profit by selling shitty plastic.
Overall, I'm quite happy, both for myself and for them.
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Overall, I'm quite happy, both for myself and for them.
This. I had a good feeling about this company so I backed their product.
Cheers,
Za
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My foremost reason to go for Stronghold is, that I'll be able to use it as a gaming board on it's own, and it's not really that expensive, given the time, efffort, and materials it would take to make a multi-leveled setup of this kind.
The second reason is that this stuff is so versatile, that I can probably add this and that future small expansion set when I feel like it/need it for a specific scenario.
Let's hope this succeeds the big way, and that we'll see the available collection grow over the coming years!
HAPPY FEZEMBER!