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Title: New Victorian build - The Undertakers (Update 17/7 - p.8)
Post by: Thunderchicken on November 11, 2013, 08:39:41 PM
I've got a long list of buildings I need to build but this one has gone to the top as it's ideal for some new methods I've been wanting to try. It's going to be an undertakers and a town house adjoining each other with a large yard to the rear.

I get PM's from time to time asking me how I put my builds together so I thought for this one I'll go into much more detail with many more WIP pictures than I usually post. The aim is to cover all stages of the build.

It wont be a quick build, as I said I'm wanting to try some new things out; some might work and some might not. I'm also about to start a build for another LAFer so I will be sharing my attention between the two.

Right! In the beginning...........

First of all I drawn up a plan of the build to see if the dimensions and measurements work and to see if it scales well with my other buildings. Nothing fancy I hasten to add! This is just the front but I also draw up similar plans for all sides of the building along with an overall plan of the layout:

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/15/1254_11_11_13_7_49_04.jpg)


Once I'm happy with the plan the fun starts. At the moment I'm using 3mm foamed PVC for my builds. I use 3mm as it's thick enough not to warp and is easy to cut with a sharp blade:

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/15/1254_11_11_13_7_50_04.jpg)  


I transfer the plan of the build onto the PVC (told you it's going to be a detailed WIP ;) ):

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/15/1254_11_11_13_9_17_03.jpg)


And then start cutting:

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/15/1254_11_11_13_7_51_28.jpg)


Once I'm happy with the frame I then add the embossed styrene sheets with the brickwork of choice. I just lay the building frame over the brickwork sheet and draw the outline of the structure, doors and windows etc before cutting it to size and hey presto it's a perfect fit (I'm not very scientific with my methods):

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/15/1254_11_11_13_7_52_39.jpg)


As you can see from the pic above I'm going for a mix of stone/brickwork on the frontage. Something vaguely like this:

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/15/1254_11_11_13_9_13_24.jpg)

Anyway, that's all for now. Next to do is add the windows (which for some reason is always a pain in the arse for me), add the lintels and start work on the shop front. Hopefully will have an update soon.


  
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers
Post by: Mason on November 11, 2013, 08:45:55 PM
Oh, yes!
A full tutorial.
 :D

You do realise that this may be a mistake as you may just look mortal if you go ahead with this.....?
 ::)

Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers
Post by: Thunderchicken on November 11, 2013, 08:53:47 PM
Oh, yes!
A full tutorial.
 :D

You do realise that this may be a mistake as you may just look mortal if you go ahead with this.....?
 ::)



 lol lol lol

I even cry when I get paper cuts. 

Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers
Post by: Elk101 on November 11, 2013, 08:54:43 PM
You make it look so easy! Your buildings are bloody marvelous (I think I may have told you that several times though!). Have you found a reasonable source for foamed PVC?
Cheers, Steve
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers
Post by: Mason on November 11, 2013, 08:58:42 PM
lol lol lol

I even cry when I get paper cuts. 

If you cry with a paper cut, think what Bibbles must do when the LASER slips!
 lol

Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers
Post by: Malamute on November 11, 2013, 10:02:50 PM
A master class by Cheeks. We are truly blessed.  ;D
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers
Post by: OSHIROmodels on November 11, 2013, 10:05:12 PM
Bollocks to the tutorial, just show us the finished goodies  ;D :D ;)

cheers

James
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers
Post by: Mason on November 11, 2013, 10:51:49 PM
Bollocks to the tutorial, just show us the finished goodies  ;D :D ;)

Such finesse!
 ::)

Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers
Post by: snitcythedog on November 12, 2013, 06:04:04 AM
Bollocks to the tutorial, just show us the finished goodies  ;D :D ;)
I always like the subtle suggestions!  Looking forward to seeing this completed.
Snitchy sends.
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers
Post by: Silent Invader on November 12, 2013, 06:24:47 AM
I know I'm going to really enjoy this  :-* 8)
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers
Post by: Andym on November 12, 2013, 06:58:10 AM
Oh goodie! I'm looking forward to this!
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers
Post by: Thunderchicken on November 12, 2013, 12:54:48 PM
Thanks chaps  :)

I've just realised that showing my building methods in depth will reveal the cack handed way I go about it. Will be a good lesson on how to cut corners too  ;)

I'm no expert so if anyone has any suggestions on how I can improve any of my methods I'm all ears.

Steve, Antenociti's is still the cheapest source I can find without having to buy bulk. Saying  that I'm seriously thinking about setting up a website to sell building materials specific to this period, I source my stuff from about twenty different suppliers so a one stop shop would do nicely. Not exactly a money making exercise, more an aid to other builders.
   
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers
Post by: The Dozing Dragon on November 12, 2013, 12:57:26 PM
Sounds good to me. Looking forward to watching this build.
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers
Post by: Eric the Shed on November 12, 2013, 01:37:45 PM
This is great - if it is half as good as the rest of the stuff you had on Blam it will be amazing  ;D
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers
Post by: War In 15MM on November 12, 2013, 02:45:49 PM
Your work makes my day.  Richard
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers
Post by: Elk101 on November 12, 2013, 02:52:04 PM
This is great - if it is half as good as the rest of the stuff you had on Blam it will be amazing  ;D

If it's half as good as the stuff on display at BLAM it will still be 20 times better than my stuff!

Thanks for the tip on foamed pvc.
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers
Post by: Thunderchicken on November 12, 2013, 05:39:07 PM
Thanks for the kind words chaps.  :)
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers
Post by: Mason on November 12, 2013, 09:01:25 PM
Thanks for the kind words chaps.  :)

Make the most of it, mate.
Someone will be a git sooner or later.
 :D

Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers
Post by: Svennn on November 12, 2013, 09:03:27 PM
Make the most of it, mate.
Someone will be a git sooner or later.
 :D



Vraiment? Qui?  :D
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers
Post by: Constable Bertrand on November 14, 2013, 08:09:56 PM
I've been fascinated by your builds TC, and have wondered you you go about them. So, thank you for taking the time to share your technique with us.

Cheers
Matt.
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers
Post by: Mason on November 14, 2013, 08:34:41 PM
Vraiment? Qui?  :D

I am sure there will be no shortage of takers.

Especially if he starts talking about teabags again.... ::)

Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers
Post by: Malamute on November 14, 2013, 09:03:01 PM

Especially if he starts talking about teabags again.... ::)



 lol

I had forgotten that conversation/text messages... ;) lol lol lol
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers
Post by: Mason on November 14, 2013, 09:04:19 PM
lol

I had forgotten that conversation/text messages... ;) lol lol lol

I certainly have not.

It is mentally scarred on me forever!
 :o

Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers
Post by: gamer Mac on November 14, 2013, 11:45:11 PM
Great start Neil :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers
Post by: Old Goat on November 23, 2013, 02:46:18 AM
Now this will be great...AND a tutorial...
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers
Post by: Thunderchicken on November 29, 2013, 02:20:53 PM

It is mentally scarred on me forever!

I've got pics too!  lol
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers
Post by: Thunderchicken on November 29, 2013, 03:06:25 PM
Thanks chaps.

I've been offline for a few weeks as I managed to badly injure one of my eyes at work (for the information of BLAMers it's the other one and almost two years to the day, would you believe it!) I've had to rest it completely which meant no reading, no going near screens, no TV, nothing! Luckily vision started to return at the beginning of this week and having some time on my hands I couldn't resist getting back to the build so here's an update.

Here's the front:

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/15/1254_29_11_13_2_48_48.jpg)


Back. You'll notice I've gone for a mock window top right centre. The scribblings bottom right are for an outhouse:

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/15/1254_29_11_13_2_50_04.jpg)

One of the sides:


(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/15/1254_29_11_13_2_56_46.jpg)

Here's a breakdown of how I've added the details since the last post.

For the windows I use these from Grandt line. Note they are S scale which I think is a good size for 25/28mm. I use these two patterns more than any other:

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/15/1254_29_11_13_2_54_25.jpg)

Here's the business side. To help secure the windows in place I stick off-cuts across the window frames. For the large window I cut the shape of the frame myself from styrene plastic (three attempts no less!) and embedded it in the wall. The small plastic squares are to help secure it in place:

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/15/1254_29_11_13_2_51_01.jpg)  

For the lintels I cut the shapes I need from 1mm styrene plastic sheets:

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/15/1254_29_11_13_2_52_07.jpg)

You'll see from the side section there's a curved lintel above the door. For these I cut a 'ring' with the required width and diameter using a cutting compass. I then cut the lintel from that:

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/15/1254_29_11_13_2_53_12.jpg)

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/15/1254_29_11_13_3_01_05.jpg)


For the doors I use balsa wood. I cut the shape of the frames into the wood and then add the door handle and letterbox from cut plastic (the doors look messy but fear not, after a lick of paint they will look just fine).

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/15/1254_29_11_13_2_55_36.jpg)

That's it for now. I'm going to work on the shop window and sign this weekend and that's going to be a fiddly pain in the harris so I'll have the swear box out!  





  




    
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers (Update 29/11 P.2)
Post by: white knight on November 29, 2013, 03:30:21 PM
Very interesting thread. I may have overlooked it, but what do you use to cut out the window and door holes from the plastic card? It all looks so neat, compared to when I try it.  o_o
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers (Update 29/11 P.2)
Post by: Elk101 on November 29, 2013, 04:25:20 PM
That's bad news about your eye. I hope it gets better soon mate. Nice addition to the build tutorial too. Cheers, Steve
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers (Update 29/11 P.2)
Post by: gamer Mac on November 29, 2013, 04:48:13 PM
Your getting that good at building these, you should be able to do it blind fold, what do you need your eyes for? Get on with it you slacker lol

Lovely work by the way :-* :-* :-*
The neatness is amazing
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers
Post by: OSHIROmodels on November 29, 2013, 04:50:42 PM
(for the information of BLAMers it's the other one and almost two years to the day, would you believe it!)

From you, yes  lol

Good progress though matey  :-*

cheers

James
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers
Post by: Malamute on November 29, 2013, 05:15:50 PM
From you, yes  lol


cheers

James

 lol

Looking good so far ;D
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers (Update 29/11 P.2)
Post by: Sangennaru on November 29, 2013, 05:20:12 PM
Yummy! keep it coming!
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers (Update 29/11 P.2)
Post by: Hu Rhu on November 29, 2013, 06:06:35 PM
Sorry to hear about your eyes and glad they are better.  Given your latest output it doesn't seem to have had any affect on your model making skills.  8)   I saw some of your work at BLAM and this is right up there amongst your best. Keep it coming   :-*
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers (Update 29/11 P.2)
Post by: Thunderchicken on November 29, 2013, 06:35:29 PM
Cheers all!

 
From you, yes  lol

 lol

Last time it was a mere slither of paper, this time it was a whole book!

White Knight, Firstly I cut the foamed PVC to the shape of the building (see the 4th pic I posted on 11/11 at the top of this thread). Once I'm happy with the frame I then use it as a stencil; I just lay it over the brickwork sheet and draw the outline of the structure, including doors and windows, on to the sheet. Then I cut the brickwork sheet to size with a sharp scalpel. I can take some more pics if that helps as I'll be doing the same with the outhouses soon.     
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers (Update 29/11 P.2)
Post by: Mason on November 29, 2013, 06:43:27 PM
Looking good, mate.
Very nice indeed!
 :-*

Hope the eye gets better soon, mate.
(You have obviously not learned to stop peeping through letter boxes......)

Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers (Update 29/11 P.2)
Post by: Thunderchicken on November 29, 2013, 07:11:11 PM
(You have obviously not learned to stop peeping through letter boxes......)

Slander sir!  lol

Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers (Update 29/11 P.2)
Post by: OSHIROmodels on November 29, 2013, 07:32:28 PM
Last time it was a mere slither of paper, this time it was a whole book!


Belly laugh  lol lol lol

cheers

James
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers (Update 29/11 P.2)
Post by: von Lucky on November 29, 2013, 11:06:57 PM
Very nice work, and I too wish you a speedy recovery.
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers (Update 29/11 P.2)
Post by: marianas_gamer on November 30, 2013, 12:47:47 AM
Always a pleasure to see your builds.  Best on recovering from your injury.  You have nothing but sympathy from me unlike some of your buddies  lol
LB
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers (Update 29/11 P.2)
Post by: Mason on November 30, 2013, 11:18:33 AM

Last time it was a mere slither of paper, this time it was a whole book!
  

I HAVE to ask: Are you related to Frank Spencer, by any chance...?
 :D

Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers (Update 29/11 P.2)
Post by: Thunderchicken on November 30, 2013, 01:03:41 PM
 lol lol

I wont tell you about the time I electrocuted two of my neighbours then......   
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers (Update 29/11 P.2)
Post by: FramFramson on November 30, 2013, 03:45:55 PM
Well, if anything, Thunderchicken's custom title seems to be appropriate.

Try to stay well! Or, failing that, try to get the hot nurses.
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers (Update 29/11 P.2)
Post by: Andym on November 30, 2013, 04:04:24 PM
Apparently they say that when you loose your sight your other senses are heightened! For you of say its your model building sense! :) Cracking stuff mate! Glad to hear your getting better!

If all your windaes(Glaswegian) are see through, are you planning an interior with this one?
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers (Update 29/11 P.2)
Post by: Thunderchicken on November 30, 2013, 04:54:38 PM
Thanks for the best wishes chaps, much appreciated.

If all your windaes(Glaswegian) are see through, are you planning an interior with this one?


Clutches his chest in horror and gasps for air! Just doing the outside is enough for me thanks.  lol Anyway, I haven't got your intricate skills. 

Frosted glass is my friend. It is an undertakers after all  ;).
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers (Update 29/11 P.2)
Post by: uti long smile on November 30, 2013, 07:53:28 PM
Another classic in the making.
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers (Update 29/11 P.2)
Post by: Chairface on December 02, 2013, 04:06:26 AM
Lovely as always Neil
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers (Update 29/11 P.2)
Post by: Thunderchicken on December 10, 2013, 05:02:34 PM
Hi all,

Time for an update. Nothing major, more fiddly bits than anything else.

I apologise for the strangeness going on in some of the pics, my camera has decided it wants to warp some of the straight lines here and there so doors and windows might look a bit wonky (that's my excuse anyway!).

The front and one of sides are coming along nicely so I thought I'd share some of the detail. I've used my usual painting method for the brickwork:

http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=49154.0

I painted the bottom half a mixture of off-white and cream, I then gave it a very diluted black wash to bring out the stonework. I painted the lintels Vallejo Iraqi Sand and I'll weather them a wash of GW Devlan Mud (may be called something else now) later:

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/15/1254_10_12_13_3_45_21.jpg)

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/15/1254_10_12_13_3_46_36.jpg)

Here's how I made the frame for the shop front. As you can see its a good mix of materials, basically I just lay the stuff out on the desk and go from there. I've used balsa wood framed with styrene for the sign. For the columns I used foamed pvc as it is easy to score; as you can see I've made the column supports from balsa. The bottom frame is all styrene. When the build is nearer completion I'll add the perspex window, any sooner and it'll probably get scratched:

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/15/1254_10_12_13_3_35_07.jpg)

Once it's painted it looks much better:

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/15/1254_10_12_13_3_38_38.jpg)

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/15/1254_10_12_13_3_36_30.jpg)   

I've also added some drainage pipes (I don't do guttering.......... yet  ;)). I use 1:43 casts from S&D Models for junctions, fittings, hoppers etc. With a slight trim they fix nicely to 1/8th Evergreen plastic rods. When you order the S&D fittings you can choose between 1/8 and 1/32 fixtures, I prefer 1/8 as it scales nicely with the buildings. Anyway, it's these:

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/15/1254_10_12_13_3_41_58.jpg)

As you can see from the pic of the front section at the top of this post I have given the drain pipe a swan neck. The plastic rods are easy to bend with some tweezers but I use a pipe bender to avoid creases or kinks. I got mine from e-bay:

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/15/1254_10_12_13_3_39_45.jpg)

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/15/1254_10_12_13_3_40_50.jpg)

Once I've measured the length of the pipe I will need I just fix it to the fittings and pin the whole thing to the build. Any gaps between the pipes and the fittings are treated with a dose of filler. Here's some WIP drainage added to the back of the building (it's not fixed yet so isn't straight):

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/15/1254_10_12_13_3_43_37.jpg)


Hope some of these tips help  :)

Next I'll start putting the structure together........ Gulp.

           
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers (Update 10/12 - p.4)
Post by: bbtoys333 on December 10, 2013, 05:15:25 PM
Lovely and inspiring work. Thanks for the interesting peek into your working methods too.
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers (Update 10/12 - p.4)
Post by: OSHIROmodels on December 10, 2013, 07:06:00 PM
Glad to see some progress old boy  :D

Your rounded elevation will have to wait until next year now  :(

cheers

James
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers (Update 29/11 P.2)
Post by: Ray Rivers on December 10, 2013, 07:07:46 PM
Once it's painted it looks much better

Looking pretty awesome already, matey.  :-*

Like I've said before, you must be closing in on a complete replica of Victorian London.  o_o

Superb, as always.
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers (Update 10/12 - p.4)
Post by: gamer Mac on December 10, 2013, 07:26:31 PM
Great work :-* :-* :-*
Do you paint the drain pipes before fitting them?
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers (Update 10/12 - p.4)
Post by: Mason on December 10, 2013, 07:48:10 PM
Brilliant, mate.
Bloody brilliant!
 :-* :-*

You have remembered to factor in the angle for the corner joins now, haven't you?
 ;)

Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers (Update 10/12 - p.4)
Post by: Thunderchicken on December 10, 2013, 08:30:17 PM
Thank you kindly gents.  :)

Your rounded elevation will have to wait until next year now  :(

Fear not old chum, I  wasn't sure how long you would be out of the game so found a way around it. I found a fabric roll that is almost a perfect fit. It wont look perfect but with a bit of improvisation it'll do the job  ;)

Do you paint the drain pipes before fitting them?

Should have mentioned that, yes I do. I only paint the side facing the brickwork though, I paint the rest once it is fixed in place.

You have remembered to factor in the angle for the corner joins now, haven't you?
 ;)

 lol Oh lordy yes! lesson learnt!

Like I've said before, you must be closing in on a complete replica of Victorian London.  o_o

Alas I had to let a few buildings go earlier in the year but I'm getting there  ;) Once I've got a few shillings back in the bank I'll be topping the terrain up with a few large buildings from 4Ground and Jimbibbly's Victorian goodies. 
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers (Update 10/12 - p.4)
Post by: Thunderchicken on January 18, 2014, 07:47:29 PM
Sorry all, been a while with an update but the scaffolding is back up and the builders are back on site  ;)

Right, I've finished the shop front and have started to put the structure together.

To create the window frame, firstly I score on a perspex sheet where I want the frame to go. The frame will cover the score marks. (sorry, shite quality pic but it's the only one I took):

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/16/1254_18_01_14_7_25_41.jpg)


For the frame I use thin half round strips glued into place with GS Hypo Cement, it has a tiny precision applicator which is perfect for delivering small amounts of glue for detailed work:

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/16/1254_18_01_14_7_27_45.jpg)


Here's the strips placed over the scored lines ( I painted the strips before gluing them in place). Not a drop of glue in sight  ;) You can just about see where I've marked out the dimensions of the shop front to ensure I've got the correct measurements for the frame:

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/16/1254_18_01_14_7_28_49.jpg)


Here's the completed shop front with the frame in place (you'll note I've added curtains to the windows, I'm coming to that  ;) ):

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/16/1254_18_01_14_7_30_17.jpg)


Here's the completed window frame for the side section:

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/16/1254_18_01_14_7_32_04.jpg)



Apologies for the haze effect in the next two pics, gawd knows what I did to the camera settings!!!  lol




This pic is just to demonstrate how I grid the base, it helps me ensure I've got true right angles, straight lines and everything where it should be. I use Araldite to glue the building sections to the base and as you can see from the top section of the building I secure the corners with strips of foamed PVC (these will also act as supports for the flat roof when it is put into place later):

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/16/1254_18_01_14_7_33_13.jpg)


This gives you an idea of how the structure is coming together. Thanks to Svennn for hunting down and sizing the absinthe advertisement for me. To create the ad board I printed the absinthe ad on to normal printer paper then stuck it to thin styrene cut to size, I then created the frame using thin plastic strips. To stop the ad board from warping I simply painted the other side, a good tip picked up from Dewbakuk. The corners of the building and masonry borders will be tidied up and finished off later:

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/16/1254_18_01_14_7_35_56.jpg)


Here's the front. As mentioned earlier, I decided to add more detail to this build but couldn't make up my mind whether I wanted curtains or nets in the windows. After consulting with some fellow LAFers I went for both! I also added some privacy netting to the shop front. It might be hard to see from these pics but the nets do have a pattern. For the nets I used 'hem lining' from the other half's haberdashery stash. The curtains are thin felt, also taken from the other half's materials stash. I used superglue to glue both materials in to place with no adverse effects:

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/16/1254_18_01_14_7_34_44.jpg)


I want the corner of the shop to have a curve rather than an angle so here's a rough idea of how it will look. Obviously, this is where the entrance to the shop will be ( I thought I'd make it easy for myself  ;) ) I'm working on this bit tonight so will update tomorrow:

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/16/1254_18_01_14_7_37_19.jpg)


Hope you're still awake  ;)
  

  

    
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers (Update 18/1 - p.4)
Post by: gamer Mac on January 18, 2014, 08:01:20 PM
Looking great :-* :-* :-*
Are you keeping the bottom floor stonework white?
Details are lovely
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers (Update 18/1 - p.4)
Post by: moonshado on January 18, 2014, 08:10:43 PM
That brickwork and the drainpipes are both beautifully done. Love that the windows have nets as well as curtains. Your eye for detail and your ability to reproduce it is enviable.
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers (Update 18/1 - p.4)
Post by: Elk101 on January 18, 2014, 08:42:57 PM
Looking great! I'm assuming this is the building with the curved front you were talking about? It's shaping up really nicely. Cheers, Steve
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers (Update 18/1 - p.4)
Post by: Mason on January 18, 2014, 09:20:25 PM
Absolutely spiffing, Old Bean!
 :-* :-* :-*

You nailed those curtains, mate, and that Absinthe sign is the dogs.
 :D

Pukkah, me old china.
Just Pukkah!!!
 8) 8)

Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers (Update 18/1 - p.4)
Post by: Phil Robinson on January 18, 2014, 10:02:01 PM
Brilliant, I like the round corner, it really sets it off.
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers (Update 18/1 - p.4)
Post by: Malamute on January 18, 2014, 10:05:30 PM
You are just getting better and better at this. ;D

 It's an effing triumph. :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers (Update 18/1 - p.4)
Post by: Eric the Shed on January 18, 2014, 11:49:43 PM
 Both me and mrs shed love this :D
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers (Update 18/1 - p.4)
Post by: Dr Mathias on January 19, 2014, 02:08:04 AM
Very impressive, I'm jealous. Looks like a lot of time and attention to detail.

I can't even think of starting new buildings for yet another era... I have so many Victorian figures though...
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers (Update 18/1 - p.4)
Post by: War In 15MM on January 19, 2014, 03:56:44 AM
I love your work!  Richard
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers (Update 18/1 - p.4)
Post by: Andym on January 19, 2014, 08:25:38 AM
Genius! Easily some of the best buildings EVER!! :o :o
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers (Update 18/1 - p.4)
Post by: Dr DeAth on January 19, 2014, 09:42:54 AM
What everyone else has said +1   :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers (Update 18/1 - p.4)
Post by: Constable Bertrand on January 19, 2014, 09:51:52 AM
 :-*  :-*  :-*  :-*  :-*

Brilliant. That corner is going to look fantastic, I'm jealous of your skill TC.
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers (Update 18/1 - p.4)
Post by: The Dozing Dragon on January 19, 2014, 10:17:13 AM
Inspirational!
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers (Update 18/1 - p.4)
Post by: OSHIROmodels on January 19, 2014, 12:57:43 PM
It's the nuts Cheeks  8) :-* :-* 8)

Hope you get that round corner sorted  :'(

cheers

James
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers (Update 18/1 - p.4)
Post by: FramFramson on January 19, 2014, 03:01:50 PM
Whattanupdate!  :-*
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers (Update 18/1 - p.4)
Post by: Thunderchicken on January 19, 2014, 08:39:01 PM
Thanks chaps, encouragement like that makes it worth it!  :)


Are you keeping the bottom floor stonework white?

Yes. I've given the stonework a very light black wash to weather it but it doesn't come out in the pics. I'll try and get a better one for you.


I'm assuming this is the building with the curved front you were talking about?
 

The very same my good man.  ;)


You nailed those curtains

But I used superglue. Mwahahahahahaaaaa!


Hope you get that round corner sorted  :'(

Don't you worry old chum, I got all inventive..... sort of.....



Speaking of which, this is how it's looking at the moment. The curve is slightly set back but it will be moved forward a tad more. As you can see I've started on the chimney too:

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/16/1254_19_01_14_8_59_10.jpg)

For the curve I've used a finished roll you can find in any fabric shop, they always have them if you ask. Nice and sturdy and come in all sorts of sizes. I simply cut it to size then slapped the brickwork on. Do you think this is overkill?  lol

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/16/1254_19_01_14_9_00_25.jpg) 


As I said at the beginning of this thread I tend to do things in a cack-handed way. As you can see from this pic I construct the chimney breast by sticking strips of foamed PVC together. This chimney breast is slightly different from the norm as it sits between two roofs of differing heights. The chimney pots are from S&D Models and come with pins attached which helps secure them to the chimney breast:

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/16/1254_19_01_14_9_02_05.jpg)


Once I've stuck the brickwork on I then layer it towards the top:

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/16/1254_19_01_14_9_02_56.jpg)


This pic gives you a better idea of what I mean (the top will be covered by Milliput when I come to do the flaunching):

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/16/1254_19_01_14_9_03_49.jpg)



That's all for now. Hopefully I'll have another update soon....... ish  ;) 





 
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers (Update 18/1 - p.4)
Post by: Hitman on January 19, 2014, 09:04:39 PM
Absolutely stunning....spectacular work in fact. This building will be a fantastic piece for your tabletop troops. Thanks for sharing.
Regards,
Hitman
 8)
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers (Update 18/1 - p.4)
Post by: Silent Invader on January 19, 2014, 10:29:11 PM
You are just getting better and better at this. ;D

 It's an effing triumph. :-* :-* :-*

Yep, it's dead good  8)
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers (Update 19/1 - p.5)
Post by: Hu Rhu on January 20, 2014, 12:08:40 PM
Amazing work -as always.  :o :o  Am in awe of your skill. o_o
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers (Update 19/1 - p.5)
Post by: aggro84 on January 20, 2014, 04:09:28 PM
Amazing!
 :o :-*
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers (Update 19/1 - p.5)
Post by: Captain Blood on January 20, 2014, 05:34:28 PM
Very good Neil.
Always good to see more Victorian brickwork for your wonderful Olde London Town.
(And I speak as a successful Ripper remember ;))

I think you like building these, almost as much as El Malamuto likes building adobes - it's an addiction with no end!  lol
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers (Update 19/1 - p.5)
Post by: OSHIROmodels on January 20, 2014, 07:02:09 PM
Spanking mate  8) :-* :-*

cheers

James
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers (Update 19/1 - p.5)
Post by: Andym on January 20, 2014, 07:44:33 PM
Brill! It's great seeing how you put these fantastic creation together Neil!! :-* :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers (Update 19/1 - p.5)
Post by: Thunderchicken on January 22, 2014, 08:34:11 PM
Apologies for the late reply, I've been working away from home and the hotel I was staying in wanted stupid money for internet connection.

Thanks very much for the comments chaps  :)

I think you like building these, almost as much as El Malamuto likes building adobes - it's an addiction with no end!  lol
 

Soooooooooooo true!  lol  I like to think there's an overall grand plan but to be honest as I'm finding these builds easier to construct I'm like a kid in a sweet shop!     
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers (Update 19/1 - p.5)
Post by: 6milPhil on January 23, 2014, 08:18:43 PM
I'd missed this thread in it's entirity, so it's a joy to find a great lump of it. Top work, as per.  8)
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers (Update 19/1 - p.5)
Post by: syrinx0 on January 24, 2014, 04:27:40 AM
Wow.  :-* Amazing level of detail to your buildings.
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers (Update 19/1 - p.5)
Post by: Thunderchicken on January 25, 2014, 09:30:13 AM
Thank you both very much. I'll have another update soon.  :)
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers (Update 19/1 - p.5)
Post by: Eric the Shed on January 25, 2014, 09:52:19 PM
This looks fantastic ;D
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers (Update 19/1 - p.5)
Post by: Thunderchicken on January 26, 2014, 10:04:47 AM
Thanks matey. You'll see it in the flesh at Salute.
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers (Update 19/1 - p.5)
Post by: Rabbitz on February 13, 2014, 06:01:48 AM
Eagerly awaiting the next update.

How do you do the corners?   What about the roof?
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers (Update 19/1 - p.5)
Post by: grant on February 13, 2014, 06:05:54 AM
That is an amazing building!
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers (Update 19/1 - p.5)
Post by: Thunderchicken on February 13, 2014, 06:23:54 PM
Thanks chaps.  :) Update is imminent.

Rabbitz, what part of the cornering are you curious about, curved or straight?
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers (Update 19/1 - p.5)
Post by: Rabbitz on February 14, 2014, 12:21:21 AM
Thanks chaps.  :) Update is imminent.

Rabbitz, what part of the cornering are you curious about, curved or straight?


The straight bits.   To cover the joins. 
Your work is so inspirational.   

Also what type of glue do you use to stick the plasticard brick work to the foamed PVC?

Would love to see more photos of your building collection.   
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers (Update 19/1 - p.5)
Post by: Mindenbrush on February 14, 2014, 02:22:36 AM
Excellent workmanship and inspiring  8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers (Update 19/1 - p.5)
Post by: dampfpanzerwagon on February 14, 2014, 11:01:27 AM
Superb work.

And thank you for the work-in-progress shots.

Tony
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers (Update 19/1 - p.5)
Post by: Thunderchicken on February 15, 2014, 03:59:58 PM
Thank you for the comments chaps.  :)

Rabbitz, here's a couple of pics I haven't used in this thread as they are poor quality. With one of the walls I'll overlap the brick sheets on both sides by the thickness of the foamed PVC sheets I use for the main structure (in this case 3mm).

(http://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z395/Lord_Futtock/20131128_103458_zps60035582.jpg) (http://s1187.photobucket.com/user/Lord_Futtock/media/20131128_103458_zps60035582.jpg.html)

With the wall I'm going to connect to it I'll just stick the brick sheets flush with the edges as no overlap is needed. When I fit the two sections together this wall section will fit into the overlap. There will be a tiny gap left but some filler sorts that out.

(http://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z395/Lord_Futtock/20131128_103738_zps7b50bef4.jpg) (http://s1187.photobucket.com/user/Lord_Futtock/media/20131128_103738_zps7b50bef4.jpg.html)

Here's a very crude diagram which probably explains my babbling more clearly:

(http://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z395/Lord_Futtock/20140215_154859_zpsad5a2cf8.jpg) (http://s1187.photobucket.com/user/Lord_Futtock/media/20140215_154859_zpsad5a2cf8.jpg.html)


Clear as mud?  lol







  

 
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers (Update 19/1 - p.5)
Post by: Rabbitz on February 16, 2014, 01:21:04 AM
Thanks very much,   that is so logical, doh 

Also what kind of glue are you using to stick the brick sheets to the foamed PVC?   have tried a few different ones myself but find they don't stay stuck  :?
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers (Update 19/1 - p.5)
Post by: Thunderchicken on February 16, 2014, 09:30:42 AM
Also what kind of glue are you using to stick the brick sheets to the foamed PVC?   have tried a few different ones myself but find they don't stay stuck  :?

Oops, sorry forgot to answer that bit. I originally used Copydex until one of our learned LAFers pointed out it has a relatively short life span so now I use epoxy such as Araldite or good old contact adhesive such as Super Glue (or one of it's many cheaper rivals which are just as effective). Whichever one I use I put plenty on! What glue have you been using?
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers (Update 19/1 - p.5)
Post by: Rabbitz on February 16, 2014, 10:59:28 PM
Thanks.   That's really helpful.

I have tried PVA and a spray contact edehsive.  .  I guess the crazy 40 degree heat here half the time does not help matters
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers (Update 19/1 - p.5)
Post by: Bullshott on February 18, 2014, 12:11:47 AM
Excellent work TC :)

Now, what you need to go with this is a hoarding advertising the Necropolis Railway:

(http://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-SasGppF1mvc/UawQwh3ptHI/AAAAAAACGq8/Cxl0b7nIbp8/s900/gg7.jpg)

Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers (Update 19/1 - p.5)
Post by: Rabbitz on March 03, 2014, 11:31:35 AM
Any more progress with this build?
This and the Japanese on Mars thread are the only things that keep my work days sane. 
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers (Update 19/1 - p.5)
Post by: Thunderchicken on March 06, 2014, 09:39:58 PM
Oodles of apologies for the lack of progress but a heavy workload and exams are keeping me away from the workbench and LAF at the mo  :'(
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers (Update 19/1 - p.5)
Post by: oldskoolrebel on March 06, 2014, 09:42:02 PM
It's looking excellent Neil- that must be some table that you've got now; what size of board can you fill?

Still studying with the OU?

Cheers
Andy H
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers (Update 19/1 - p.5)
Post by: Thunderchicken on March 06, 2014, 10:12:32 PM
Thanks matey, been a while since we caught up. I've graduated and start teaching in September. It's been a hard slog but nearly there  :)
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers (Update 19/1 - p.5)
Post by: Rabbitz on May 05, 2014, 02:33:26 PM
Any more progress with this  :)
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers (Update 19/1 - p.5)
Post by: Silent Invader on May 05, 2014, 03:09:42 PM
Thanks matey, been a while since we caught up. I've graduated and start teaching in September. It's been a hard slog but nearly there  :)

Well done Neil!

What will you be teaching?
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers (Update 19/1 - p.5)
Post by: Rabbitz on June 25, 2014, 07:46:58 AM
Any further progress with this build?
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers (Update 19/1 - p.5)
Post by: Thunderchicken on July 02, 2014, 03:55:14 PM
Oodles of apologies for the delay! There have been a few problems with the builders not turning up, the wrong type of cement, and the Planning Inspector wasn't happy with one of the retaining walls (that and a wee sabbatical from the hobby  ;)). Normal service is resuming.  :)

What will you be teaching?

Key Stage 2, the poor things!    lol   
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers (Update 19/1 - p.5)
Post by: OSHIROmodels on July 02, 2014, 05:56:03 PM
Key Stage 2, the poor things!    lol   

What's that in old money?

cheers

James
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers (Update 19/1 - p.5)
Post by: Malamute on July 02, 2014, 06:26:28 PM
What's that in old money?

cheers

James

Pre school  lol
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers (Update 19/1 - p.5)
Post by: Mason on July 02, 2014, 07:10:47 PM
What's that in old money?

That is what I was going to ask, but I didn't want to seem like an old man.
Glad you did it for me, Junior.
 :D

Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers (Update 19/1 - p.5)
Post by: Thunderchicken on July 02, 2014, 08:02:12 PM
Pre school  lol

 lol

11-12 year olds. Last year of junior school, or to me and you it's the last year before big school. 
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers (Update 19/1 - p.5)
Post by: OSHIROmodels on July 02, 2014, 10:30:28 PM
Pre school  lol

So you mean they'll be teaching him  lol

cheers

James
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers (Update 17/7 - p.8)
Post by: Thunderchicken on July 17, 2014, 10:20:31 PM
Right you cheeky lot! A quick update.

What was a relatively easy job took me a while as, quite simply, I've forgotten how to do stuff. It's all coming back now though.  :)

I'm glad to say the corner section is finished and it was another royal pain in the arse. My original plan was to have the curved section running all the way to the base and then just cover the bottom section with the door (see page 5 above). However, the curve sticks out too far and hence the door would not be aligned with the two shop fronts. Plan B was to build the door as a solid structure and rest the curved section on that, so that's what I went for. 

Here's the structure, I used the usual materials with foam pvc for the frame, styrene plastic for the cosmetics and balsa wood for the sign board. The rough edge of the balsa is intentional and will be weathered later:

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/18/1254_17_07_14_10_43_47.jpg)

Now with the frame cut out and panels added:

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/18/1254_17_07_14_10_44_58.jpg)

Here it is in place:

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/18/1254_17_07_14_10_46_33.jpg)

Here's a couple of pics with the final detail added (the masonry on the curve still needs to be weathered). As with the shop windows I used perspex for the glass and fabric for the netting. The frame doesn't look aligned but it is, put it down to my crap photography  lol:

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/18/1254_17_07_14_10_48_08.jpg)

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/18/1254_17_07_14_10_49_03.jpg)

The frontage is pretty much finished now, just some railings and a few other details to add later on:

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/18/1254_17_07_14_11_01_21.jpg)

I have to be honest, I'm not entirely happy with the doorway. What I had planned and what I put together are quite different. For a start I wanted the door more recessed and with slightly more detail. However, I need to get this build finished as other build projects are calling so I'll leave as is and get on with it! Saying that, the slight matter of a holiday will slow progress up for another few weeks but when I'm back I'll finish the roof and start on the outbuildings.  :)




Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers (Update 17/7 - p.8)
Post by: OSHIROmodels on July 17, 2014, 10:28:11 PM
Well that works  8) 8)

When are you moving down so we can have a game  ;D

cheers

James
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers (Update 17/7 - p.8)
Post by: Thunderchicken on July 17, 2014, 10:32:06 PM
Well that works  8) 8)

When are you moving down so we can have a game  ;D

cheers

James

Thanks old fruit, a worthy seal of approval  :D

The move is soon, you know that house for sale just down the road from yours.........
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers (Update 17/7 - p.8)
Post by: OSHIROmodels on July 17, 2014, 10:36:12 PM
Thanks old fruit, a worthy seal of approval  :D

The move is soon, you know that house for sale just down the road from yours.........

That tiny two bed that went for £435,000...

What the f*** are you moving to London for if you can afford that much  lol

cheers

James
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers (Update 17/7 - p.8)
Post by: Thunderchicken on July 17, 2014, 10:47:17 PM
That tiny two bed that went for £435,000...

F** that!!!!!
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers (Update 17/7 - p.8)
Post by: Eric the Shed on July 17, 2014, 11:30:49 PM
The build is looking great....

Enjoy the first of your long summer holidays
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers (Update 17/7 - p.8)
Post by: Andym on July 19, 2014, 11:38:44 PM
Cracking!! 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers (Update 17/7 - p.8)
Post by: FramFramson on July 20, 2014, 12:03:52 AM
Nicely done!

On the plain edges where the flat walls recess to the curve, will you be adding any sort of detailing?
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers (Update 17/7 - p.8)
Post by: Chairface on July 20, 2014, 02:19:51 AM
Oh, lovely!
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers (Update 17/7 - p.8)
Post by: Rabbitz on July 20, 2014, 03:17:34 AM
Excellent.    Now i can progress a bit with my 'cheap not as good imitation copy'  :D

Do you plan to do any more with the roofs or are you leaving them flat?
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers (Update 17/7 - p.8)
Post by: Mason on July 20, 2014, 09:38:10 AM
That looks bloody brilliant, Cheeks!
 8) :-* 8)


I like the solution for the curve and doorway, so stop worrying about it, it adds character.
 :D

Now then.....when are you finally going to get around to making Big Boob Mansions?
 ??? :D ::)


Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers (Update 17/7 - p.8)
Post by: gamer Mac on July 20, 2014, 11:47:34 AM
Cracking work  :-* :-* :-* :-*
I like it.
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers (Update 17/7 - p.8)
Post by: Thunderchicken on August 04, 2014, 06:45:20 PM
Thanks very much chaps. Sorry haven't replied sooner but I've been away on the charabanc for the annual family knees up.

Do you plan to do any more with the roofs or are you leaving them flat?

The roof above the shop will be flat, as I need a surface for gaming but the roof above the residential half will have a sloped roof in the shape of an inverted triangle, working on that tonight.

On the plain edges where the flat walls recess to the curve, will you be adding any sort of detailing?

Good point and hadn't though of that, will rummage around and see what I can find. If nothing crops up I'll just weather it.

Now then.....when are you finally going to get around to making Big Boob Mansions?
 ??? :D ::)

Something befitting Upsheet Creek you mean  ;)  

 
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers (Update 17/7 - p.8)
Post by: Damas on August 04, 2014, 06:51:14 PM
So, have you finally moved down to respectable Sussex yet?

Enquiring minds want to game know?  :D
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers (Update 17/7 - p.8)
Post by: War In 15MM on August 05, 2014, 05:29:50 AM
Your work is always impressive!  Richard
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers (Update 17/7 - p.8)
Post by: pocoloco on August 05, 2014, 06:21:28 AM
Gorgeous work once again Sir.

Very inspirational, as usual, and at the same time saddening as I know I can't have them  8)

Any plans for a "bigger picture" for us of all the builds so far?
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers (Update 17/7 - p.8)
Post by: Mason on August 05, 2014, 12:47:43 PM
Something befitting Upsheet Creek you mean  ;)  

Cheeky!
 >:D


Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers (Update 17/7 - p.8)
Post by: warburton on August 06, 2014, 01:07:16 AM
Very nice work.
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers (Update 17/7 - p.8)
Post by: Thunderchicken on August 06, 2014, 11:15:42 AM
So, have you finally moved down to respectable Sussex yet?

Patience my young padawan.  ;)

Any plans for a "bigger picture" for us of all the builds so far?

I'm sure I'll be having a game soon so I'll rustle something up for you.  :)


Thanks again chaps.
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers (Update 17/7 - p.8)
Post by: Rabbitz on September 27, 2015, 06:10:31 AM
Did you ever finish this building?
Title: Re: New Victorian build - The Undertakers (Update 17/7 - p.8)
Post by: Thunderchicken on October 03, 2015, 04:41:10 PM
Absolutely!! Not.  lol

The brewery had to jump to the front of the queue.

There's not much more work to do, just the rear extension and a gate to the side.

The plan is to finish the brewery next half term and the undertakers over the Crimbo break.