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Miniatures Adventure => The Conflicts that came in from the Cold => Topic started by: Dewbakuk on November 14, 2013, 10:22:20 PM
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Don't think these have been posted here yet so thought I'd do the honours.
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There are some Dallimore action shots on the North Star Facebook page:
https://www.facebook.com/pages/North-Star-Military-Figures/218634441498799?id=218634441498799&sk=photos_stream
And as you'd expect, they're up for pre-order:
http://northstarfigures.com/list.php?cat=393&sub=558&page=1
No Nickstarter on this one but apparently the full bundle deal comes with a well known truck driver figure.
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This might cost me a fortune...
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Me too. :'(
'Need' that truck driver... ;D
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I knew I was going to want the Yakuza but I'm really impressed with the police figures.
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I'm gathering my $$. Might have to ask Santa for this one, and roll the dice. Santa has been terribly ineffective in getting me minis in the past. :(
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Completely agree @Dewbakuk. I wasn't sold when I heard one of the factions were cops but the figures look really good.
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I cant wait for these to come out, some overtime at work I think !!
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I love them. In the moment it seems that Nortstar do robbery to my moneybag with brilliant stuff. Hope the rules are not to "songs"-like and will fit to the kung-fu-subject (IHMN is an alternative, when it not fits, I think).
Great, thanks Dewbakuk for sharing
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Looking good but yet again I am left a little annoyed and a little baffled by this current trend of marketing miniatures months and months in advance of their availability. Not only do I not know where my interests and finances will lie next year but how many other tempting ranges will be launched in the mean time?
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Well there's no way I can afford the whole rules & box sets offer so I'll put it out there now if anyone doesn't want their "Truck Driver Jack" I'm buying. Would like that set with the demon & wizards though.
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Looking good but yet again I am left a little annoyed and a little baffled by this current trend of marketing miniatures months and months in advance of their availability. Not only do I not know where my interests and finances will lie next year but how many other tempting ranges will be launched in the mean time?
I think it's customer driven to be honest. The books are made available because otherwise Amazon screws it up for everyone else and because everyone knows about the books they want to know about the figures. Obviously in order to have the figures sculpted in time for release they get started long before and because people are asking, companies are showing them as they get done rather than when they are all finished. That's my assumption anyway, I could be wrong :)
I'd much rather see stuff that's coming out than the GW approach of denying they sculpt anything at all until the day it gets released, even though the images were leaked a month or so before hand.
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These look fanastic.
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I can see some of these making an appearance in my spy-fi setting...
...looking away now.
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Realy nice ;D
Will get me the Cops and the Demons, if there's anybody interested in the other 2 packs and "Truck driver Jack", we ,could share the whole deal.
Just drop me a PM ;)
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A couple more from the North Star FB page:
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The three demon worshippers are based on the Wing Kong, but would also work quite nicely for In Her Majesty's Name Black Dragon Tong.
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Love the (R)HKP uniform coppers. No doubt martial arts experts and former detectives put back in uniform for misdemeanours or by corrupt superiors ;)
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Nice. :D
As I'd mentioned on Facebook, we're going to need a lot more Demon worshippers. Some more weapon variants would be good. After all I'm going to have to paint one set black and red and the others white and yellow. ;)
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I can't remember anyone asking; but will there be rules for stating up our own figures? (Being based off a Ganesha games system I'd guess so, but always good to have confirmation) Just thinking that it'd give a lot more scope if it was the case :-)
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Get thee behind me Satan ... lol
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I can't remember anyone asking; but will there be rules for stating up our own figures? (Being based off a Ganesha games system I'd guess so, but always good to have confirmation) Just thinking that it'd give a lot more scope if it was the case :-)
Absolutely a full unit builder is included in the book.
In addition, there are 72 sample characters, broken down into the following categories, to get you started or provide inspiration for your own characters:
Cops (11)
Martial Artists (9)
Ninja (7)
Triads & Tongs (7)
Yakuza (4)
Supernatural Creatures (14)
Cyborgs & High-Tech Characters (11)
Animals (9)
Of course, the categories are just for convenience, and a gang combining Triads, Martial Artists and Cyborgs is entirely possible.
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Splendid - the answer I was both hoping for and dreading! lol
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For those asking about the demon cultists and their equipment the figures are based on the "cultist" entry in the rulebook, which doesn't give the option of firearms (hence the models). There's no reason you couldn't stat up a cultist with a gun, mind you, but they would cost more points and would unbalance the starter gang included in the boxed set. I'm sure if this initial set was popular, though, North Star might consider additional variants...
In the meantime, anyone looking for more models could head over to: http://www.northstarfigures.com/prod.php?prod=5259
The IHMN figures are a little more old-fashioned in dress, but the two sets go together pretty well!
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Well I hope they work out to be popular then. :D
I like the starter sets but hope in the future we might see some expansion sets. I know there are only so many figures Northstar can get sculpted, especially with the high release schedule Osprey have at the moment.
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I'm in for the set, and I'm working on finishing up the last few China Town minis I have left to paint, PLUS the Hasslefree Martial Artists.
Unless a convention spontaneously forms in my house, I should be set for a while. ::)
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I knew I was going to want the Yakuza but I'm really impressed with the police figures.
Ditto bud. :-*
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I can't say I like all of them but some of these little folks are outstanding!
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Hopping on this like I hopped on Ronin. Heck, some of the ninja figure I have look useful for both. Ninjas are timeless, like diamonds.
Some questions, so I can prepare:
-How large of a table? I'd like to start shopping for scenery sooner rather than later, and it helps to know how much area to cover. Should I go denser or more sparse?
-The character list looks really broad, which is good. Any tidbits on the hightechs and cyborgs?
-Are the sample characters nods to famous folks, like the "truck driver"?
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The models look good but I am especially curious as to the rules. I like the SoBaH system and am always surprised how well it fits to a new genre when another version of it shows up.
I am mostly interested to know a bit about the magic rules as those were perhaps the weakest part of the original sobah rules IMHO.
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Hopping on this like I hopped on Ronin. Heck, some of the ninja figure I have look useful for both. Ninjas are timeless, like diamonds.
Some questions, so I can prepare:
-How large of a table? I'd like to start shopping for scenery sooner rather than later, and it helps to know how much area to cover. Should I go denser or more sparse?
-The character list looks really broad, which is good. Any tidbits on the hightechs and cyborgs?
-Are the sample characters nods to famous folks, like the "truck driver"?
3'x3' table is a good starting point as is all the terrain you can get! The scenery can play an integral role in a game, so the more the merrier!
No real tidbits just yet though my favourite high-tech option is "Biotech-Enhanced Kung Fu Gorilla". Essentially, a character can be built using any of the skills and talents in the game (subject to their level of importance only primary characters may choose some of the more powerful skills), so a lot of the fun is in the backstory you give your gangs at least that's what I reckon (and both the mercenaries of the Ghost Tiger Company and the gangsters of the Eight Bells Ringing Tong agree).
There are recognizable archetypes in amongst the sample characters (and some of the North Star sculpts reflect that), but you can build whatever character you want in next to no time. Need a truck driver? 2 minutes. A blind ninja assassin? 2 minutes. A three-headed demon dog? 2 minutes.
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The cultists, demons and kung-fu fighters might go well in the Back of Beyond with some chinese bandits. Hmmm.
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Any word on what terrain we would use for "all the terrain you can get?"I don't know of any good modern Asian urban terrain options.
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Bloody hell... :`
Wish I had never seen this. ;D Full-on-down-the-rabbit-hole now.
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Any word on what terrain we would use for "all the terrain you can get?"I don't know of any good modern Asian urban terrain options.
Any terrain will work the game isn't solely limited to the cities. I don't have a copy of the text to hand, but the rulebook presents a variety of locales, and the 'special effects' one might find there.
In fact, it's not even really limited to Asia. Feel free to use whatever terrain you want.
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The only terrain I can think of would be the WorldWorks paper urban terrain with some added Asian signs and advertisements. Unfortunately that terrain is a beast to build and a nightmare to transport . You also might be able to get away with the 4Ground Victorian stuff for parts of San Francisco or China or the Infinity stuff for near Future. The lack of available appropriate terrain, however, is a bit of a limiting factor for this game. It just won't be the same playing out in the woods or in a farm house. maybe you could find some flat tile terrain and play it board game style...
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An old disused factory could be another option. Crates, Cargo Containers, cranes, walkways and gantrys. Theres Chinatowns all over the place.
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A few locations that instantly leap to mind for combat areas that don't need the big street buildings...
Street market. Don't really need the building architecture but making lots of stalls could get interesting :)
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Sampan moorings (can remember this from a couple of films but not which... Was VanDamne in one?)
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Budhist temple
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Warehouse
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Multi-storey car park
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Container yard
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Hmm, don't seem to know how to get the video embed for the car park fight.
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Working on mine now. A scratch-build alleyway, building facades w/ fire escapes and scaffolding, a columned garage space, and an upstairs tea house! It will look like shit, but hopefully be a ball to play in! ;)
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The only terrain I can think of would be the WorldWorks paper urban terrain with some added Asian signs and advertisements. Unfortunately that terrain is a beast to build and a nightmare to transport .
Fat dragon games do a few modern buildings for super games, every model has multiple options to make it look more weathered and if you mostly use the brownstone buildings it can look very much old town down town slum style. It also includes balconies and fire escapes which are of course mandatory. The big advantage is that they are miles easier to build thand worldworks and have a simple but smart system that allows them to fold flat thus making them a lot more transportable.
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I love all the guys in traditional clothing! But don't know what to do with the other figures in the sets... :?
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I love all the guys in traditional clothing! But don't know what to do with the other figures in the sets... :?
Next bring and buy at the tactica or make an offer here...
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Yep, I think thats the way to go!
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Sampan moorings (can remember this from a couple of films but not which... Was VanDamne in one?)
Double Impact, I think...
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Double Impact, I think...
That was the first thing that came to my mind too. Though it's been over 20 years since I saw that. ;D
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Is that the one where JCVD plays his own twin?
Classic.
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Double Impact, I think...
Is that the one where JCVD plays his own twin?
Classic.
Yep, pretty sure that's right :)
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Yeah one of his better efforts!
Weirdly (and rather off-topic), my favourite JCVD movie is the one in which he does least in the way of martial arts Legionnaire. While there's a little boxing at the start, most of it is a traditional 'march or die' style Legion movie. Not a great film by any stretch of the imagination certainly no Quigley Down Under, but rather enjoyable as a throwback to an older type of adventure movie.
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That doesn't surprise me Phil.
My favourite Stephen Seagal movie is Executive decision, that's the one where he plays a special forces operator (who doesn't 'also' cook) who gets sucked out of an aeroplane to his doom in the first ten minutes. :D
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Something of an unfair comparison, Ray Executive Decision stars Kurt Russell and, as we all know, Kurt Russell doesn't make bad movies... even when they include Seagal! lol
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That is true, off the top of my head I can't think of a bad Kurt Russell film...
At least Seagal always attempts to appeal to as wide a cross section of the population as a whole; a martial art trained Native American, ex-special forces pacifist, single father, who also cooks, and uses as many varied forms of transport as possible.
Just a shame it's usually all in the same film. ::)
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lol
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That doesn't surprise me Phil.
My favourite Stephen Seagal movie is Executive decision, that's the one where he plays a special forces operator (who doesn't 'also' cook) who gets sucked out of an aeroplane to his doom in the first ten minutes. :D
You swine! I spilled my tea out laughing at that .. :D
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That doesn't surprise me Phil.
My favourite Stephen Seagal movie is Executive decision, that's the one where he plays a special forces operator (who doesn't 'also' cook) who gets sucked out of an aeroplane to his doom in the first ten minutes. :D
I am glad we are in agreement that the best Seagal movies are the ones where he spends the least time on screen.
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If modeling "Big Trouble" it's interesting to note that San Francisco's Chinatown was purposefully rebuilt with faux pagoda style roofs after the 1906
earthquake as a tourist attraction. Otherwise they're like typical brick buildings of the period.
A landscaped Chinese garden might be a good way to get a lot of terrain in a small space. They are kind of similar to the well known Japanese garden, except more, well, Chinese. They tend to favor brighter colors and zigzag motifs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_garden
You can find some of the pieces, pavilions, stone bridges etc as aquarium ornaments.
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Interesting idea Carpathian! Clicking trough wikipedia I also learned of the idea of scholar's rocks, which might be an interesting modeling project as wel as an interesting terain piece to have a group of standing around. I have had results with plastic glue on insulaton foam that might help create these shapes, gasses this produces rot your brain tough I'm sure.
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A few new pictures up, showing the rest of the yakuza, a few more martial artists and the demons painted...
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Kev's been busy :)
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Having played most of the other SoBaH engines I am beginning to wonder if and how different weapons will factor into this game as well, or fighting styles as a whole. It wasn't until later expansions of SobaH that you could make a archer that shot better then he fought or a fighter that attacked better then he defended. Mind the system was quick and fun from the get go but those are options that feel kind of basic.
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I am not a huge fan of the SoBaH-Engine. It is easy and limited in the abilities. I think I will use the 7TV-Engine (Action-Engine) for it. It is perfect for Fistful of Kung Fu...
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Question about the rules:
Will it be possible to create a hero who's capable to beat up several enemies?
Say, Kung Fu Master vs. Police-Squad?
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Absolutely. He'd still need to be smart (or lucky), but if you like having your eggs in a single basket, it's entirely do-able.
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Coms, I'm not sure how familiar you are with the Songs engine? But from the top of my head I can name a number of traits from the core game that more than likely would have made it into this one that would easily help create such a character. And it still plays fine all the same. The only thing to watch out for is that the Songs engine is low on bookkeeping so there are no wounds (except for tough characters who have one?) or other kind of damage progression. There are statuses like knocked down which give the enemy a big bonus on the next attack but in the end the police player would need to play his card right, stack his advantages and then roll as many dice as he can and hope to get lucky. There is no slowly taking down that master by inflicting minor wounds, only trying to kill and hoping for the best.
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The AFOKF system actually introduces a number of new combat results that can be applied by a successful attack it is NOT simply knock-down/kill. Furthermore, there are many ways for a smart player to level the playing field against difficult odds, whether outnumbered or outnumbering focusing attacks, teaming up, spending Chi points for more powerful attacks etc.
Tougher characters are distinguished by the combat results that apply to them for example, a minion-level character will be Knocked Out by a level 1 combat effect, and Killed by a level 2, while a Protagonist (hero/villain etc.) will only be Knocked Down by a level 2 (assuming, that is, the player inflicting the damage chooses those effects he might opt to force the character to Recoil, perhaps off a cliff or into an environmental danger). It's a lot more detailed than previous Song-engine games, but it's not overly complicated. The table below should offer more of an insight (not to mention raise a lot of questions regarding various terms!):
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Hey Smith, thanks for the preview! That table really gets my interest going, maybe more than anything else yet. Having all those effects right there build into the combat results rather then being tacked on (something I must admit has been the case in other songs games) Does give the suggestion this will be a step or two deepen then straight up songs. More complicated and more bookkeeping but also more interesting and cinematic.
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Thanks for the answer, Smith, sounds good :)
Tim, didn't had the chance to play it more than the games we played.
I'm looking for some rules to recreate a comic I like, with lot's of Martial Art inside, and gunfight, set in a modern Japan (at least a part of Japan ;) )
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That is true, off the top of my head I can't think of a bad Kurt Russell film...
I can Escape from LA was dire !!
Sorry mate..
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It's quite a good day: come back from the weekend and find this waiting for me an advance copy of A Fistful of Kung Fu.
Now for the traditional post-advance-copy mantra: "please no typos, please no typos, please no typos..."
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That looks good :D
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I can Escape from LA was dire !!
Sorry mate..
'Overboard'.
But then, Goldie Hawn is in it too, so ....
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Some new pics have gone up, plus a couple that haven't appeared on here I don't think. The pics are a bit big in my opinion, paint jobs rarely look great when shown hugely blown up.
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*** Can't keep up anymore... :'(
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I think it's Kev Dallimore painting these, so you know it's wonderful quality. No-one's work holds up to ultra-close scrutiny (even Monet!) so you probably get the best from them by looking at a more 'normal' sized image.
Just look at the beautiful work of light and depth on that gold border ... gorgeous.
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Yep, they're Dallimore's work. I assume you can alter the size a pic appears at, I just don't know how. I stole those from Facebook :)
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In what way do those look bad? I hope Mr Dallimore comes over and paints all my stuff that badly!
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It's a lot more detailed than previous Song-engine games, but it's not overly complicated. The table below should offer more of an insight (not to mention raise a lot of questions regarding various terms!):
So the winner gets to pick one effect?
I was going to give this one a pass because I already have three Song-engine rulesets, but it seems this actually is more than a minor variation with a re-skin.
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Essentially, yes:
Win a combat by 3 points, apply 3 points' worth of effects 1x 3-point effect, 3x 1-point effects, or 1x 2-point effect AND 1x 1-point effect etc.
Win by 2 points, apply 2 points' worth (1x 2-point effect or 2x 1-point effects).
Win by 1 point, apply 1 point's worth.
DRAW: both players apply a 1-point effect, with the acting player choosing last.
Ranged combat works in the same way, but with different effects, and with the target only having the option of choosing an effect (weapon jamming, breaking etc.) if the shooter messes up!
Heroes / villains / protagonists may spend a Chi Point to reduce combat effects against them. Chi Points are, however, rather limited, and are often needed to power some of the more dramatic combat effects, so it's something of a balancing act.
The same basic Q/C stats and the activation system is at the heart of AFOKF, but the combat has been tailored to suit the larger-than-life genre and the cinematic combat it demands (both martial arts and John Woo-style 'bullet ballet').
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That all sounds very promising. I have had plenty of fun with various Songs games but this sound like it might feature some elements thst I have been looking for.
When does the book go on sale and where do I get it?
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North Star!
http://www.northstarfigures.com/list.php?man=162&page=1
It's available for pre-order now, and will hit shelves in February.
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...paint jobs rarely look great when shown hugely blown up.
They can be of huge assistance though to people wishing to improve their painting.
And actually, these look pretty good to me. ::)
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Don't get me wrong, they are great, I think it's the layering on the faces. When they're shown that big it looks blotchy when I know it'll look fine in real life.
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It wasn't until later expansions of SobaH that you could make a archer that shot better then he fought or a fighter that attacked better then he defended. Mind the system was quick and fun from the get go but those are options that feel kind of basic.
Which expansions changed that? Because that is my #1 problem with the system.
The AFOKF system actually introduces a number of new combat results that can be applied by a successful attack it is NOT simply knock-down/kill. Furthermore, there are many ways for a smart player to level the playing field against difficult odds, whether outnumbered or outnumbering focusing attacks, teaming up, spending Chi points for more powerful attacks etc.
Tougher characters are distinguished by the combat results that apply to them...[snip]
And that would help with my #2 peeve. Sounds promising. :)
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Which expansions changed that? Because that is my #1 problem with the system.
Sharpshooter is in song of wind and water. Can't recal what the other one was. Honestly I also needed all the options from all the books before I warmed up to SoBaH. I think this more focused aproach of oGaM and FFoKF are maybe the way to go with this system rather then the broad open ended aproach of SoBaH. To many models and ways to think about their abileties to fit it all in. The more genre specific rules from oGaM and hopefully FFoKF will make things fit more and since they are more specific it leaves les space of the game undefined. Its much easier cover do hong kong action movie completely then all of fantasy I think.
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Caved in and pre-ordered the rules and the cops - super excited for this!
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Time to shake the pillars of heaven...
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Update: North Star have put up some more photos! Fully painted Cops and Yakuza, and the remaining figures for the Martial Artists and the Demons:
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Going to have to order this after Christmas. Not the greatest JB out there but the Yakuza are very good.
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Pork chop express! I'm in.
Do you think the rules would suit a techno cyber zen descarte Buddhist gaming world? ;) (see my tron thread in future wars for a flavour of what I'm thinking).
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Might just be the angle of the photo but not sure I'm sold on Jack. Unfortunate really, as its the one figure I wanted to see produced.
The other sets are fantastic though. Very impressed with the cops. :D
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Do you think the rules would suit a techno cyber zen descarte Buddhist gaming world? ;) (see my tron thread in future wars for a flavour of what I'm thinking).
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lol I was wondering exactly the same thing!
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Re paint jobs: Not a fan of the tattoos on the yakuzan thug in the vest. Not Japanese at all and more pacific tribal tbh. Minis nice and all but I wish painters would research more and be aware of the massive differences in cultural influences in tattoos.
Minor rant, loved the rule book pics, taoist priests and hopping vampires, can't wait. :D
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Only problem is: It is so much time until we get the stuff... (February 2014 is so far away, and longer when you wait for it)
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Re paint jobs: Not a fan of the tattoos on the yakuzan thug in the vest. Not Japanese at all and more pacific tribal tbh. Minis nice and all but I wish painters would research more and be aware of the massive differences in cultural influences in tattoos.
I agree, a bit too modern tribal. Personally I think the sumo's tattoo shirt should be denser too. Very minor quibbles of lively figures though.
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Isn't that a tattoo of a Japanese style dragon, parallel on both sides facing in? Clear enough to read what it is on an inch tall man! Many tattooists can't pull that off!
I'm interested in seeing the naysayers work at that scale? ;)
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Honestly they it has to be hard to get accurate tattoos on someone that small.
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Do you think the rules would suit a techno cyber zen descarte Buddhist gaming world?
Yes. Absolutely! There is a selection of 'high-tech' characters in the rulebook, and if you can't build it using the character builder I'll be very surprised!
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It looks pretty damn authentic to me.
Unbelieveable.
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Isn't that a tattoo of a Japanese style dragon, parallel on both sides facing in? Clear enough to read what it is on an inch tall man! Many tattooists can't pull that off!
I'm interested in seeing the naysayers work at that scale? ;)
No one said they were badly painted, just not that accurate. Do a search for Yakuxa tattoos and you'll see what we mean. The dragon is fine but there is too much flesh on show between the coils, it should be dark.
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Interested in the game and will certainly try to play it when the game will be released.
I think I should start collecting and converting models now, so when the rule book will be released i can immediately start playing.
And this leads me to a question:
If I want to create a triad gang, what types of weapon is better give to its members? (I suppose there is some sort of weapon and equipment list for each gang, and like to make my models to look properly armed)
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(http://amazingstuff.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/yakuza_tattoos.jpg)
It looks pretty damn authentic to me.
Unbelieveable.
Good example that shows exactly what I mean, thanks ;)
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Some beautiful painting on some really nice figures here.
Will the Pillars of Heaven shaker miniature be available separately at a later date or is it only available via the large (currently out of my financial reach) bundle?
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If I want to create a triad gang, what types of weapon is better give to its members? (I suppose there is some sort of weapon and equipment list for each gang, and like to make my models to look properly armed)
You can equip them however you like the gang builder gives you that freedom. There are no faction lists with specific character types and equipment. There are loads of sample characters divided up by common themes (e.g. Cops, Triads, Martial Artists) for ease of reference, so even if you don't want to create your own characters from scratch (the work of seconds if you have a concept already, or minutes if you don't!), you can still mix-and-match characters from across these convenient, but 100% non-limiting categories.
There are no equipment lists per se, rather any abilities or effects the character has as an option are treated as Talents (skills, attributes etc.) so a figure can be equipped with a pistol just as they would be with the ability to fight multiple foes with reduced drawbacks. In terms of making sure figures are equipped as they are in the game, the only Talents to watch out for are: Pistol (which can also be used for bows etc.), Shotgun, Automatic Weapon, Two Guns (dual-wielding pistols), and Signature Weapon (a relic or legendary melee weapon). There are also Grenades and Throwing Stars (which can be knives, axes etc. if you prefer) if you want 100% accuracy. Melee weapons (apart from Signature Weapons) don't count in the same way as firearms it doesn't matter what a character is armed with in that regard a knife, a sword, a club, bare-fisted the focus is on the ability of the fighter, not the weapon.
For example, I love the 'kitchen sink' mentality of Big Trouble... and my Triad gang has a similarly weird mix: some John Woo-esque gunmen with a mix of pistols, shotguns and automatic weapons, a couple of Young and Dangerous-style street thugs as low-level muscle (similar to the set-up for the Yakuza figure pack, to be fair), an evil sorceror as the secret overlord of the gang, and his right-hand-man, the Triad boss and a master martial artist. Of course, there's also a hopping vampire the sorceror controls and sends out now and again...
That's the gang I want, so I built it to a target of 400pts:
Protagonist (a.k.a. 'Hero', 'Villain', 'Boss')
- (Evil) Taoist Sorceror 100pts (stock character from rulebook, 'Supernatural')
Bruiser (a.k.a. 'Henchman', 'Lieutenant')
- Martial Arts Champion 54pts (stock character from rulebook, 'Martial Artists')
Extras (a.k.a. 'Minions', 'Goons')
- Hopping Vampire 15pts (stock character from rulebook, 'Supernatural')
- 3x Red Pole Gunman with automatic weapon 25pts each (stock character from rulebook, 'Triads')
- 2x Red Pole Gunman with shotgun 20pts each (not in rulebook, but statted up in seconds)
- 3x Red Pole Gunman with pistol 18pts each (not in rulebook, but statted up in seconds)
- 2x Street Thug 20pts (not in the rulebook under that name, but the stats that fit my interpretation were identical to the Human Cultist entry, so I simply renamed that)
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Thank you very much for your detailed response.
From the description of the rules, game seems to be very interesting, and totally different from "Ronin" rules that i already played.
Now only question remains, where to get enough of chinese heads for conversions. :)
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Do you think Northstar will ever sell singular figures for this or Ronin? I usually have enough models to make some or all of a playable force for these games and rarely need all the figures contained in a pack. I would personally be happy to pay a little more in terms of price per figure in order to pick and choose the ones I want.
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Isn't that a tattoo of a Japanese style dragon, parallel on both sides facing in? Clear enough to read what it is on an inch tall man! Many tattooists can't pull that off!
I'm interested in seeing the naysayers work at that scale? ;)
I'm sure talking about the bad tribal on the thug with the vest. And I'm not naysaying I'm stating that the tattoo is not Japanese but south Pacific tribal blackwork.
And I will gladly share my koi sleeve when I get the figure and paint it.
Cheers.
;)
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So we were talking abt diff figs! I'll be waiting for that koi! ;)
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I have just become aware of this ruleset and am very much looking forward to it's release. I have no plans to buy the accompanying figures but will make do with what I have in my small collection (Hasslefree, Copplestone, some Malifaux, Heroclix...), granted there are not many Asian figs, but what the heck, action is action!!! :D.
I will have no qualms about it using my papercraft terrain which is western mostly, but noticed that maybe a couple of Sarissa Precision MDF buildings from their Japanese range could be a potential buy.
I will continue to watch this thread, thanks for sharing the opinions.
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I want me some HONG KONG COPS!
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This is going to sound a bit daft, but, how do the rules hold up if you leave out the 'Kung-fu' element? Is it possible to just have some entertaining modern era gun fights? Something along the line of Bad boys, Heat, the Expendables(? Ahem)?
I've got some lovely modern gangers and cops from Obelisk that would see some service. ;)
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This is going to sound a bit daft, but, how do the rules hold up if you leave out the 'Kung-fu' element? Is it possible to just have some entertaining modern era gun fights? Something along the line of Bad boys, Heat, the Expendables? because I just love classic cinema
I've got some figures of Asterix and Obelisk converted with guns that would see some service. ;)
:)
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How do you know these things? lol
Anyway, shouldn't you be painting little dragons on shields? ;)
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The whole set, pre-ordered, for Christmas! Score! :)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72RqpItxd8M
Just a bit of inspiration for you chaps. lol
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:o Oh, life is good! :-*
:-* "Hacking Too Much Time!" ;D
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LMAO - awesome ;D
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Looks awesome!
And...well, what the hell!
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/kungfury/kung-fury?ref=live
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Gotta start building up scenery! To that end, anyone have any references for scratch building modern city buildings? The kits available seem pretty sparse. I could kinda wing it with foam board and plastic brick embossed cladding, but I'd rather build off my fellow hobbyist's knowledge and experience.
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Try Matakishi's tea house for a how to on building modern buildings from Cork tiles..
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Yep, I'm using the matakishi method myself.
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A good source of scenery ideas is the game Sleeping Dogs (pc/xbox 360/ps3) - I definitely need a dock with a fish packing plant... and lots of roof tops to skirmish over. There is also a lot of interaction during fights with various scenic elements (air con units, dumpsters, fish tanks, swordfish heads [!], phone boxes, etc etc) which might be useful with regards to the ability to activate scenery as a fight outcome...
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A good source of scenery ideas is the game Sleeping Dogs (pc/xbox 360/ps3)
Doesn't look like my type of game but you're right, the scenery inspiration looks fantastic from the screen shots I've looked at.
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Sleeping dogs was fantastic. Far more abut fighting than shooting but a great game.
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Sleeping dogs was fantastic. Far more abut fighting than shooting but a great game.
Yes and its free to download at the moment on xbox!!
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LOVED Sleeping Dogs. That is all.
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Yes and its free to download at the moment on xbox!!
Cool - It currently goes for about £4 inc P&P on eBay for a PS3 edition if anyone is interested...
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Yes and its free to download at the moment on xbox!!
it's bloody brilliant, loving it! :)
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(http://cdn2.gamefront.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/sdninp1.jpg)
Loads of dlc too: some very pork chop express ;)
Loads of great inspirations for loads of minis, well worth checking out.
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I felt the DLC in your picture was probably the worst one.
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I felt the DLC in your picture was probably the worst one.
not played that bit yet, just the underworld theme appealed. Stil on the core game personally.
still good reference though.
cheers
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Looking at the Northstar page; is Jack only available in the pre-order deal? I can't justify that much money right now, but would love one team with Jack.
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Yep, Jack is a pre-order only figure. It's the 'incentive' to get you to hand over cash up front.
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Nightmare in North point is the first of the DLC missions which I've played, and I'm enjoying it so far... it's not as good as the main game, but fun overall. Some of the comments and jokes have made me smile too, which helps!
I'm definitely going to have to find some suitable figures for Winston, Calvin and the rest of the gang...
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They aren't out there unfortunately. Some sculpting would be required.
what would be great would be if someone could use the meshes from the game and modeler or shapeways them ditectly to miniature. That is not as far fetched as it sounds these days. ;)
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Aye, I've been keeping my eyes open for possible potentials. The Obelisk gang range has a couple of Latino gangers in vests which might work, with some conversion work on the hair/faces. Em-4 has the old Copplestone Future wars street thug, who could make the basis of a Cavlin model at a push; and I guess some of the GW catchan's might work (muscles + vests), but I think they might be a bit too charicature like...
Some 3D prints of the characters would be awesome, although it's well outside my skills set! I wonder what the popularity/sales rate would be of having some 'definitely-not sleeping dogs characters' sculpted up...
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Heads up obelisk ate closing soon so get in while u can.
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Some 3D prints of the characters would be awesome, although it's well outside my skills set! I wonder what the popularity/sales rate would be of having some 'definitely-not sleeping dogs characters' sculpted up...
let's ask the good peole? ;)
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Aye - I'll set up another post at some point - but I was thinking of Wei is his starting gear (vest and windcheater), probably in a martial arts pose; Winston with his Gold desert Eagle; Conroy stood looking surly and mean (maybe arms crossed?); Calvin in a relaxed pose with a ciggie.
Depending on popularity, maybe Jackie in a brawling pose; Duke in a brawling pose with a melee weapon, Big smile Lee with a pistol and Old Salty Crab with a pistol. Tempted by Ricky, but there are a few guys in suits that might work.... I would also love to do two packs based on the generic 'thugs' - one in suits, one in casuals - but now we're getting downright obscure so really not sure how well they'd sell, although they would make good generic modern gangster types.
I guess the advantage that just doing Winstone's gang would have in terms of marketability is that they have a fairly unified look what with the vests, etc so could be used as a generic 'gang' which could be of interest to those who hadn't played the game, where as Lee and OSC are both much more specific...
Any suggestions?
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Aye - I'll set up another post at some point - but I was thinking of Wei is his starting gear (vest and windcheater), probably in a martial arts pose; Winston with his Gold desert Eagle; Conroy stood looking surly and mean (maybe arms crossed?); Calvin in a relaxed pose with a ciggie.
Depending on popularity, maybe Jackie in a brawling pose; Duke in a brawling pose with a melee weapon, Big smile Lee with a pistol and Old Salty Crab with a pistol. Tempted by Ricky, but there are a few guys in suits that might work.... I would also love to do two packs based on the generic 'thugs' - one in suits, one in casuals - but now we're getting downright obscure so really not sure how well they'd sell, although they would make good generic modern gangster types.
I guess the advantage that just doing Winstone's gang would have in terms of marketability is that they have a fairly unified look what with the vests, etc so could be used as a generic 'gang' which could be of interest to those who hadn't played the game, where as Lee and OSC are both much more specific...
Any suggestions?
Happy to come to your BBQ on this, good choices. I'd like to see a set of market sellers and civilians too.
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The only terrain I can think of would be the WorldWorks paper urban terrain with some added Asian signs and advertisements. Unfortunately that terrain is a beast to build and a nightmare to transport . You also might be able to get away with the 4Ground Victorian stuff for parts of San Francisco or China or the Infinity stuff for near Future. The lack of available appropriate terrain, however, is a bit of a limiting factor for this game. It just won't be the same playing out in the woods or in a farm house. maybe you could find some flat tile terrain and play it board game style...
No it isn't it's quite simple if you set the time aside. Enough for my 6x3 zombie board fits in a staples 70 litre crate with a load of other scenery. The other thing u could do is use rare earth mags and build them up from flat pack each time? Mount on foamboard and you shoul be fine.
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Happy to come to your BBQ on this, good choices. I'd like to see a set of market sellers and civilians too.
Market Sellers and Civillians would both be cool - I am currently planning on getting some of the Pardulron chinese civillians, and I do have a set of BCB market stalls which I could have a crack at updating....
As for Obelisk, I've put in an order with BCB... Given their recent history I know it's something of a risk, but there some other bits from their ranges I also fancied...
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I am all abuzz for this game. Anyone seen any previews coming out yet?
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As for Obelisk, I've put in an order with BCB... Given their recent history I know it's something of a risk, but there some other bits from their ranges I also fancied...
I hope everything is going well there as I just ordered some Tcho Tcho gangsters
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Ooh... I'd forgotten BCB's Tcho-Tchos... and their 'hoodie ghouls', for that matter. Might need another Kung Fu gang...
As for previews, I think a fair bit has already been covered on here, but if anyone has any specific queries or requests for info, I'm happy to help.
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I've got my eye on some Tcho-Tcho's at some point - they'd make a great gang.
This more of a cheeky 'I wonder that else I can get finished before the rules come out so I'm ready to play' type question - but any chance of more of a low down on what is included in the cryptic 'Cybrogs and high tech' category? And did I really read about there being rules for velociraptors some where?!?
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Well, stuff included:
- Battle cyborgs
- Cybertech martial artists
- Cyber spies
- DNA hybrids
- Biotech-enhanced animals
Stuff you can create in a few seconds flat:
- Anything you can imagine
- Everything else
So, let's say that I want to create a half-demon martial artist who has undergone some cyber-surgery from an evil corporation before escaping to the Los Angeles Bangkok underground (it's a classic Feng Shui RPG theme...).
- Clearly, we're talking a Protagonist, rather than a supporting character, so we're immediately talking Q2 and C4 for a base of 50pts.
- The maximum cost for a Protagonist is 150pts, so I've got 100 to play with to construct my vision.
- He's quite an angry character, thanks to his demon heritage, so I choose Boiling Blood for 13pts (total 63pts)
- His combat style is an offshoot of the Rabid Badger school of Kung Fu, so I give him the Dashing (10pts), Flurry of Blows (15pts) and Aggressive Tumble (8pts) Traits (total 96pts)
- Finally, to reflect his cybernetic enhancements, I choose armour plating in the form of the Protected Trait (8pts), a scanner array - the Danger Sense Trait (8pts) - and some combat tracking software - The Way of the Intercepting Fist (15pts) (total 127pts)
So, we end up with a finished character:
Seven Fists Chen (Protagonist) 127pts
Q2 / C4
Aggressive Tumble, Boiling Blood, Danger Sense, Dashing, Flurry of Blows, Protected, Way of the Intercepting Fist
He's kind of a bad-ass. Building that took about 5 minutes with the rulebook (and I did make a cup of tea half-way through). The book contains a LOT of Traits, any of which may be called one thing but work just as well for a different interpretation (e.g. Danger Sense - it could be a mystical 6th sense, some kind of telepathic power, the ability to hack into CCTV cameras in seconds, or even a piece of equipment - a telepathically bonded hawk, a surveillance drone, a cybernetic eye etc.).
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Cool - thankyou!
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This sounds better all the time. Anxiously awaiting...
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Dixon Miniatures produces a line of 28mm Yakuza, anyone know if they scale well?
there's also a lot of fighters in the Golgo range with the Legends line being perfect for leaders, the White Tiger, the Van Li brothers, Max Kφnigstiger, Fist of Golgo even Earthquake would fit in.
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No idea on how they will fit with the new figures, but from the pictures I've seen they work well with the Foundry Yakuza pack...
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I'm definitely going to try and do a Ghost in the Shell Section 9
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I am jumping up and down in excitement for the book to come out!!! lol Itching in my fingers to take it for a spin and have a few ideas for a "gang", including a Monkey King Protagonist with a Tai-Chi Master, a wild young westerner and a kick-ass girl in tow and a gang loosely based upon the Witch Hunter faction from Malifaux.
Until the rules come out I don't really know what I need in terms of numbers, BUT am planning on buying the Monkey minis from Black Hat and The Van Li Brothers/ Fist of Golgo.
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Between this and Ronin I can recreate a fair few of my favorite movies.
Still wish northstar sold models separately though.
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Between this and Ronin I can recreate a fair few of my favorite movies.
Still wish northstar sold models separately though.
Agreed, if I did ronin I'd like to buy at least 2 seperate ashigaru with yari and for the kung-fu 2 more generic police and some extra SWAT (though thankfully I could just buy a second box, but still would be useful)
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Well that's the rules preordered on amazon. Roll on 18th!
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Agreed, if I did ronin I'd like to buy at least 2 seperate ashigaru with yari and for the kung-fu 2 more generic police and some extra SWAT (though thankfully I could just buy a second box, but still would be useful)
Yeah I have plenty of Monks for example but I don't have any armed with Teppo or Tetsubo. So the ability to purchase them would be great.
Plus I really want to buy the Chow Yun Fat esque cop but cant justify buying an entire pack of SWAT for him atm.
Will just have to wait and pick the lot up further down the line.
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I'd like to see some additional SWAT figures, especially after watching 'The Raid' recently. Bearing in mind there are the Supernatural Detective, SWAT leader and SWAT Sniper in the Fistful of Kung Fu army list maybe a SWAT booster pack could be considered?
Also a set of Ninjas would go nicely with both A Fistful of Kung Fu, Ronin AND In Her Majesty's Name.
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My set arrived today, along with the Jack Burton figure, which was a nice surprise as I'd forgotten about ordering them.
Not sure if I'll ever get round to using them though. Big Trouble in Little China has been on the back burner for years with nothing to really inspire me to do a tabletop version.
Maybe I'll feel the need once I've read the rules.
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yes mine arrived today really pleased..just need to think of some terrian ideas..
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My rules turned up yesterday. :D Hadn't ordered any figures though as I'm concentrating on trying to use what I've got in the pile.
Saying that though, those cops do look nice...
It's one of the things with the Northstar/Osprey partnership; Osprey are producing rules so quickly there's little chance to produce much more than the 'starter' sets. A real shame as it would be nice to have more options. I'd like to see more cops and SWAT team officers. Some American cops would be nice too. ;)
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It's one of the things with the Northstar/Osprey partnership; Osprey are producing rules so quickly there's little chance to produce much more than the 'starter' sets. A real shame as it would be nice to have more options. I'd like to see more cops and SWAT team officers. Some American cops would be nice too. ;)
Thankfully though, North Star do seem to bringing out more sets if the first releases sell well. Since the original 4 In Her Majesty's Name sets they have added 3 more and a steam walker.
Nothing yet for Ronin but you never know. (Ninja's would be nice)
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Nothing yet for Ronin but you never know. (Ninja's would be nice)
A friend has my copy of the book so I can't check but I didn't think there was a Ninja Buntai, they were just an individual that could be hired? In which case, very little chance of a Ninja box.
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Ahhh, I didn't know that about Ronin. However, there's a Ninja group List in A Fistful of Kung Fu and if I'm not mistaken there is a Ninja list in Heroes, Villains and Fiends for In Her Majesty's Name.
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There's an unofficial Ninja list for Ronin and with the points builder it wouldn't take too much to come up with one.
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Then Ninjas it is! :)
Or at least more SWAT. I'm imagining The Raid movie but instead of a crime lord at the top floor of the building there's a Chinese Demon sending his supernatural minions against the Cops.
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It may have been suggested before but for extra SWAT you could use figures from the Foundry Street Violence range.
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Yeah that's true. Saying that though I'm not a massive fan of Foundry's SWAT whereas I find the new North Star SWAT superb.
As regards Ninjas, I did a quick online check and it seems Ninja companies are not included in any IHMN book. My mistake.
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Got my stuff today, and Im really happy!
Need more Wing Kong now . . . . . .
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I'm using a mix of up-gunned foundry pirates and old glory Tong to bulk out my cultists :-D
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I'm using a mix of up-gunned foundry pirates and old glory Tong to bulk out my cultists :-D
Yes, and he is a very bad man as he has influenced me into buying more on a similar trheme to expand my Tong into the twentieth century for some spy-fi action.
Bad boy!
Seriously: Thinking about using the Fistful rules for this as they may well have that semi-ridiculous, over the top James Bond feel in play.
Hmmmm....
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As regards Ninjas, I did a quick online check and it seems Ninja companies are not included in any IHMN book. My mistake.
They might be in an upcoming book though....
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...it seems Ninja companies are not included in any IHMN book...
Not in the two currently available, that is correct...
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sleeping-Dragon-Rising-Osprey-Wargames/dp/1472806603/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1391902035&sr=1-1&keywords=sleeping+dragon+rising+sun
If June's too far away, it'd be the work of moments to build a ninja company using the rulebook in the meantime...
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They might be in an upcoming book though....
Dammit, Dean! ;)
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Dammit, Dean! ;)
:D
Gotta be quicker! Besides, Craig's listed the companies already on the IHMN board.
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Great news! I wasn't aware of this new supplement .I hope there's a Ninja boxed set at some point.
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I SWORE I would create no more Facebook groups - but I am SO IMPRESSED with both the Rules (and the Miniatures) for "A Fistful of Kung Fu" I simply couldn't resist!
http://www.facebook.com/groups/567044270058942/ (http://www.facebook.com/groups/567044270058942/)
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I'm in.
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Anyone in the US get theirs yet? I ordered the big bundle of goodies direct from North Star and am very eagerly awaiting their arrival.
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I'm in.
Huzzah!
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I ordered the complete bundle....still waiting on mine
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They just got shipped out 3 days ago, I think. Give it time! I ordered the bundle too, eagerly stalking the mailman! ;)
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I'm not worried or panicking.
Yet.
:D
Just excited and eager to get this stuff.
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You'll get your stuff quicker than prodos at least ;)
Just pre-paid mine today while picking up ronin, deadzone and my little pony
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Yes, I too ordered the big bundle of Kung Foo goodness and am awaiting its arrival.
Anyone know where I can get a 28mm semi tractor?
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Received my order yesterday. Very, very nice. The books of Osprey are getting a little bit better in quality. Not as High as Warlords books, but getting better. The Figures are very good. Worth buying.
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Received my order yesterday. Very, very nice. The books of Osprey are getting a little bit better in quality. Not as High as Warlords books, but getting better. The Figures are very good. Worth buying.
Agreed - AFOKF is the best one so far.
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Received my order yesterday. Very, very nice. The books of Osprey are getting a little bit better in quality. Not as High as Warlords books, but getting better. The Figures are very good. Worth buying.
You know we produced Bolt Action, right? ;)
Seriously, though, please feel free to PM or email me specific criticisms (or praise!) - it might be a slow turnaround due to how our schedules work, but it will influence our thinking going forward.
I'm glad you guys like AFOKF - it is the first OWG title to incorporate a slightly revised design intended to address some of the criticisms players gave regarding the first few (see what I mean about slow turnarounds?!). Margins are reduced somewhat, headers have been reworked to improve clarity, and there have been a number of other, less obvious, tweaks intended to improve readability.
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You know we produced Bolt Action, right? ;)
But it seems, that warlord is doing the quality control. I own all of the wargames series. I think that you need to improve the quality. The content is good, but the layout!
I give you a very good example of good content and layout: Victory Decision...
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Thanks for the feedback, if not the credit for Bolt Action! ;D
Like I say, we've tweaked the layout for the OWGs with AFOKF, but stepping them up to the kind of fully designed Bolt Action approach would make them more expensive. Still, I'll bear what you say in mind - cheers!
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The only whinge I'd have is that there are only four different miniatures shown in different positions in every single photograph. I know you want to pimp the North Star minis and you're waiting for painted examples but it does take away from the overall impression when each picture is a selection from four minis shown in slightly different compositions.
A few terrain shots, using compatible earlier North Star ranges like the Black Dragon Tong or getting another painter in might help.
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We knew the production deadline for the book was going to be tight up against the production of the figures, so we expected to use fewer photos than in other volumes - which is why there's more newly commissioned art in AFOKF than any other OWG! It's not a perfect solution - as you say, it does take away from the overall experience to see the same miniatures over and over (however well-sculpted and -painted they are), but it was the best solution open to us at the time. Happily, we shouldn't face that kind of situation again*, which is good news!
Neglecting the IHMN tong was, however, a colossal oversight, and one I've kicked myself for already.
*Though I'm still trying to squeeze as much new art in as possible!
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I have to say I'm really impressed with the whole ruleset (as I was with OGAM, IHMN and DuxBel), I think they are well made and well priced.
The art is fantastic - I absolutely love the Mr Fab picture on page 20 in particular.
Looking forward to getting a game in down the club in the next few weeks.
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I'm glad you guys like AFOKF - it is the first OWG title to incorporate a slightly revised design intended to address some of the criticisms players gave regarding the first few (see what I mean about slow turnarounds?!). Margins are reduced somewhat, headers have been reworked to improve clarity, and there have been a number of other, less obvious, tweaks intended to improve readability.
That's great news. Osprey has the experience to bring it all home; layout, an interesting read and the necessity of clear sets of instructions.
The OWG series has such potential. It's fascinating to watch gaming and traditional publishing come together in such a dynamic fashion.
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I would pay more for a quality product. I own all the BA-Books, because they are so fantastic made. Maybe there is a chance for a museum-version(high quality) and a normal version. I don't know if you sell enough for two versions. But, as I mentioned before, the content is good, only the layout needs improvement
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My order arrived today....love the minis :)h
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Book arrived today. Very nice but lacking descriptive pictures re examples of rules in action and a real shame that you didn't use pictures of the entire range painted rather than just five or so, close up: very repetitive. :?
Great opportunity a tiny bit missed.
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Only those figures had been sculpted at that point.
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A real shame that you didn't use pictures of the entire range painted rather than just five or so, close up
Absolutely agree. Unfortunately, by the printing deadline, those few figures were the entirety of the range - all the others were sculpted while the book was at the printer.
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Great shame you couldn't have held fire. You haven't even had chance to feature the entire range in the rules for advertising and sales purposes.
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Was there a reason you choose to do it this way rather than wait for the figures before sending off to the printers? I think it may be worth waiting for the figures to include more pictures in the book for future releases.
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Simple reason is: tight timing.
With other OWGs, including the pirates that have been previewed here and there, we've had much more lead-in time on them than we had for AFOKF, so there's less of an issue - look at Of Gods and Mortals or In Her Majesty's Name, for example - plenty of photos of the ranges. The timing on AFOKF was unfortunately tight, and gave us the simple choice of: a few figures photographed for the book, or no pics of the figures at all (in fact, given how tight the schedule was, it was almost 'no figure range at all'). As I said earlier, a shortfall in photography was anticipated to an extent, so more budget was put behind new artwork.
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Phil, total appreciate scheduling; it's just you've missed a huge opportunity to be able to market your new wares on an eager audience. Perhaps a second print might include a refresh.
Still a great read looking forward to playing.
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A missed opportunity, perhaps, but only if you ignore the choice that had to be made some photos vs. no photos. Practically, that was making the best of the situation. Still, the core of your point is absolutely correct, and it's something I bear in mind as much as possible. Take the pirates game, for example: that was scheduled, but we had sufficient time to adjust the print date to accommodate the production of the figures. While I doubt all the range will be available for it (that's a LOT of figures!), there will be much more variety.
Anyway, I think we're pretty much all in agreement!
I did, however, neglect the other aspect of your concern the explanatory rules diagrams. Personally, I didn't think any additional ones were required, but do please PM or email those you think do, and I can look into getting some produced as Errata/FAQ PDFs or something. Which leads me nicely on to...
In other, non-photo-related news (although there's a possible use for new pictures!), Andrea today emailed over some new AFOKF material he's been working on - a few new special rules for characters and terrain. It's undergoing some further playtesting and polishing, but will be available from both the Ganesha Games site and the OWG Resources page (see my signature and profile info, left) in due course.
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Who cares as long as the rules are as awesome as Ronin and I can have my Major Kusanagi running around kicking ass and leaping up buildings and going invisible and ripping hatches off tanks etc etc
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The lot arrived today, on my day off. The stars are right...
Very, very pleased so far! My China Town boys will do for playtesters until I get some of the (Lovely!) new minis done!
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Because I'm a tightfisted B#####D I ordered my copy from Amazon, slightly cheaper but again later release, I got time. My order was shipped yesterday so I should have it by next week :D Can't wait!!!
Have the minis I'm planning to use: Monkey on a cloud (from Black Hat), Tai Ji Chuan Grandmaster (Kung Fu practicioner from Hasslefree miniatures) and three Witchling Hunters (Wyrd miniatures). Depending on how the rules work out I might fill out my gang with either a hotheaded young American college student (Not-Fred from Apocalypse Gang, Hasslefree miniatures) or a young French woman out of her debt (Sadie b from Hasslefree miniatures).
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My copy of the rulebook arrived on Tuesday. The repetition of the miniatures in the images is a minor issue I suppose, but the format and presentation plus the quality of the photos, models, paint jobs and illustrations combine to make one of the nicest rulebooks that I have read for a long time.
I like the small, softback format. Large hardback rulebooks are nice to look through on a lazy Sunday afternoon in the living room with a glass of wine, but the A Fistful of Kung Fu format (slightly larger than A5. I dunno know the proper term is) is ideal for gaming with I reckon. I also like that the book is at a low price point. If further supplements come out for this game at the same price point then I will pick them up on release. If they are big, expensive hardbacks then I would want to get them, but probably wouldnt.
I have played a substantial number of Ganesha games and due to the common mechanics I am probably in too deep to comment on whether the book requires more diagrams. I do know that it has been a very long time since I read a rulebook that got me as enthusiastic as this one though. The integration of so many effects into the basic rule mechanic looks very promising to me.
The mechanics also address some of the more negative issues that I see in the SoBH engine extremely well. I have yet to try out the AFOKF rule set, but I cant wait. As someone who has always enjoyed making scenario objective markers and other scene setting bits of street furniture and other props it frankly blows my mind to be able to use those things in a fully integrated way in a skirmish game. Big kudos to Andrea if that works out as well as I hope in-game.
I have been thinking about this game and mentally prepping scenarios and forces ever since I read the book. I really hope that the games turn out to be even half as fun as I am expecting them to be
So in summary, lots of frothing enthusiasm in the cheetor camp :D
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I received my copy yesterday evening, my FIRST book bought wargame rules (own several pdf's) and couldn't wait to have a flick through! Very impressed with the ruleset and am itching to get a game going, possibly in a weeks time down at my club.
I don't mind the sameness of the miniatures featuring, some of the artwork is really cool and more than makes it up for it. I like the format and the decent price for the rules as well, which is quite important to those of us who doesn't have a lot of money to spend on the hobby...
I have already several ideas brewing for games, but my personal slightest worry is that I won't have enough terrain to fully take advantage of the rules, more specifically the different Props, but I'm sure that can be arranged (have a piece of road, there should be a manhole cover there somewhere!) I have several card craft buildings with interior (gunshop, bar, garage, flat) so that would be quite interesting as well to put on the table. Thank you.
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I could be wrong, haven't checked them all, but it seems to me that the Taoist Sorcerer (p.43) should be Q2 C4 (not 3) and cost 110 points and not 100?
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100pts is correct.
If you check p.60, 4th para, last sentence (just before the table), it explains that, when building your own characters, you can reduce a Protagonist's C to 3 (down from 4) for a saving of 10 points. This has been done for the Taoist Sorcerer in the main lists.
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100pts is correct.
If you check p.60, 4th para, last sentence (just before the table), it explains that, when building your own characters, you can reduce a Protagonist's C to 3 (down from 4) for a saving of 10 points. This has been done for the Taoist Sorcerer in the main lists.
I haven't got that far thanks for correcting me :).
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Just a heads up:
http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=336596
Some early Yakuza casts are apparently a little poor.
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On FB this morning I noticed they announced this was fixed
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On FB this morning I noticed they announced this was fixed
If you got a preorder there's a chance of some dodgy casts
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Still waiting on my pre-order to arrive here in the USofA. If I get bad casts can I assume North Star will replace them?
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Still waiting on my pre-order to arrive here in the USofA. If I get bad casts can I assume North Star will replace them?
According to the TMP thread it only affects the early UK preorders as they spotted it and replaced the mould. All the stuff from Brigade is from the new mould.
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I ordered direct from North Star, not Brigade (I ordered well before Brigade offered the pre-order deal).
EDIT: Post office just delivered my package. A few of my Yakuza definitely came from the bad mold.
:'(
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I assume you just get in touch with whoever you brought from and see what they say, your legally entitled to a replacement anyway
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I emailed Nick. We'll see what happens. I'm not too worried at this point.
Jake
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Just an update. After contacting North Star via email, I got a reply back saying they'll be sending out replacement figures for my few miscasts. I really wasn't worried, more disappointed I would have to wait for the full set. I've never heard of any issues dealing with them and the few times I have have been fine.
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Yes, I too ordered the big bundle of Kung Foo goodness and am awaiting its arrival.
Anyone know where I can get a 28mm semi tractor?
There is Disney cars "Mack Semi", if you don't mind doing a bit of modification work to change him from a cartoon truck to a regular one. You can search on Amazon or ebay etc.
Disney cars are great, and the perfect scale. I just wish they sold them without eyes!
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Mine arrived from Brigade today. Great figs, no problems. They got bumped up in the painting queue.
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With apologies for the delay in release, the Quick Reference sheets for A Fistful of Kung Fu are now available on the OWG Resources page as a PDF download.
Link here - http://www.ospreypublishing.com/articles/osprey_wargames_resources - or in my signature.
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And another update: My replacement figures were delivered this past Friday. Fantastic service from Nick and crew at North Star.
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Got mine too! Gave me a nice reason to order a few small things, so they didn't get totally burned on postage replacing the minis.
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How the size with Brigade Games Victorian Age, "Tong Gang" miniatures by Mike Owen ... same size of Artizan Old West?
They are bigger or the same size?
The are the same size of Crooked Dice miniatures?
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Smith: Do you know if North Star plans to release some yellow turbans, like those in Big Trouble in Little China, for some upcoming hero squad?
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Smith: Do you know if North Star plans to release some yellow turbans, like those in Big Trouble in Little China, for some upcoming hero squad?
That would be cool. :) Definitely need more minions.