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Miniatures Adventure => Colonial Adventures => Topic started by: Gallowglass on May 29, 2008, 02:02:29 PM
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Does anybody game the battles of this conflict, and if so, what rules do you use?
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1899-1902, to be picky.
Never done so, but would like to. If there were figures that grabbed me I might, but there aren't any that I have seen that I really liked.
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1899-1902, to be picky.
You're right of course. A plague on the entire property portfolio of typos. :-[
T'is fixed now.
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Does anybody game the battles of this conflict?
The Perrys did ;)
http://www.perry-miniatures.com/index2.html
meow,
Matt
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But that's a mixture of their old Foundry range - AFAIK at the moment unavailable - and some specials. If they ever start a boer war range I'll be immediately hooked. That war has always fascinated me and it's great for the tabletop. You can use LotoW for small skirmishes, T&T for medium actions and so on
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Boer War! Boer War! I´d be all over it, with Europeans slugging it out in the Veldt! Plus you get armoured trains AND Winston Churchill! Woot woot! lol ;D
Ahem. Getting a bit carried away, but I´d be really interested in it; sadly the only current range I´m aware of is from Old Glory and suffers from, well, being from Old Glory.
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...and suffers from, well, being from Old Glory.
Back of the net. lol Though it is cruel to mock the afflicted.
Anyone read Duffer's Drift? That's a great little book on a theoretical fight in the South African War (which was the official British name for the war). A sort of primer for green subalterns to teach them modern infantry tactics. Highly recommended read.
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Count me in if anyone would produce a nice range :)
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Anyone read Duffer's Drift?
Yep. Great book. I think there's a scenario in a back issue of WI called the "Defence of Duffer's Drift"....or maybe I shouldn't have eaten those mushrooms.
As to ranges, Foundry's range is nice, but limited. The Old Glory figures were a little surprising. A friend had some of the British painted up, and they mixed very well with his Foundry, even if some of the poor divils have a bad case of strangelytwistedneckitis. Some of them were actually very nice. Haven't seen any Boers from the range, though, but some pics I've seen on d'interweb leave me a bit cold.
Count me in if anyone would produce a nice range :)
So, what would a nice range consist of?
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Count me in if anyone would produce a nice range :)
So, what would a nice range consist of?
Boy Scouts :)
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Boy Scouts :)
Maybe if you ask the Perry brothers really nicely, they might let you have some of theirs.... ::)
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Boy Scouts :)
Maybe if you ask the Perry brothers really nicely, they might let you have some of theirs.... ::)
I might if they produced some nice Boers, to go along with them, and then some Brits, some cavalry,perhaps some slouch hat wearing chaps from the colonies :)
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I might if they produced some nice Boers, to go along with them, and then some Brits, some cavalry,perhaps some slouch hat wearing chaps from the colonies :)
T'is true. We don't want much, do we?
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I might if they produced some nice Boers, to go along with them, and then some Brits, some cavalry,perhaps some slouch hat wearing chaps from the colonies :)
T'is true. We don't want much, do we?
Nah, with their superhuman abilities to churn figures out at such an alarming rate, I think its safe to assume the whole range will be available by this time next week.(here's hoping anyway) :)
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No, we don't. Just some packs. Boers skirmishing. Boers advancing. Boers shooting. Boers riding. Riding Boers shooting. Boer snipers. Boer HMG, artillery, mule train. And Command packs for all the above. Then british marching...
I guess it would have to be a range as large as Sudan. And I would be doomed to buy loads of them.
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If I'm not mistaken Black Tree has a nice range of Boers?
http://www.black-tree-design.com/btdcat.php?ctry=uk&lng=gb&rangenum=8&typenum=101&qty=0&sub=&shp=&tot=
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No, we don't. Just some packs. Boers skirmishing. Boers advancing. Boers shooting. Boers riding. Riding Boers shooting. Boer snipers. Boer HMG, artillery, mule train. And Command packs for all the above. Then british marching...
I was beginning to wonder who all these Boers were going to fight........... :o
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If I'm not mistaken Black Tree has a nice range of Boers?
http://www.black-tree-design.com/btdcat.php?ctry=uk&lng=gb&rangenum=8&typenum=101&qty=0&sub=&shp=&tot=
Yes, but I think those are quite a bit different from those of 20 years later, although it is not as noticeable as with the Brits from the Zulu Wars range.
Those Brits are top-notch, though, although those helmets are on the wrong side of awkward.
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Yes been there using Foundry and Old Glory and for Boers some Redoubt and BTD. I think unless you are doing skirmish small scale then 28mm is fine but 15mm is what I would use if I ever tried it out again.
Why? to get the effects of the long range fire and open tactics used by the Brits. 28MM just always seemed too much on the table and too close even on an 8 by 6 table
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15mm is what I would use if I ever tried it out again.
I had been thinking about 10mm for the big battles for just that reason, but well, I love 28mm figs, so I'd probably want some of those too o_o.....
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15mm is what I would use if I ever tried it out again.
I had been thinking about 10mm for the big battles for just that reason, but well, I love 28mm figs, so I'd probably want some of those too o_o.....
Doing the old bitter enders with mounted infanstry and block houses would be a nice skirmish
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Doing the old bitter enders with mounted infanstry and block houses would be a nice skirmish
We would appear to be on the same wavelength.... :D
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Canadians mounted rifles in Stetsons(Campaign hats, or Ranger/Boy Scout hats for those non-Canadians) would be my wish. Have been strongly considering cutting the heads of my Pulp-Murch US Marines for this.
We game the 1st Anglo-Boer war, and I have wonderful Foundry figs that are based - not primed for the South African war.
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We game the 1st Anglo-Boer war, and I have wonderful Foundry figs that are based - not primed for the South African war.
What rules are you using?
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Then british marching...
Don't forget Pack BW44: "British cowering in folds of the ground with fiendishly accurate Boer rifle fire whistling past their ears" You could also do this set in the 1880's uniform for Majuba Hill etc lol
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The problem with BW44 has been the impossibility to mold the bullet holes in the front of the british helmets. Now you have to drill them yourself lol
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Canadians mounted rifles in Stetsons(Campaign hats, or Ranger/Boy Scout hats for those non-Canadians) would be my wish. Have been strongly considering cutting the heads of my Pulp-Murch US Marines for this.
I've been tempted to model Canadians in the South African War ever since finding this webpage:
http://www.warmuseum.ca/cwm/boer/boerwarhistory_e.html
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Anyone read Duffer's Drift? That's a great little book on a theoretical fight in the South African War (which was the official British name for the war). A sort of primer for green subalterns to teach them modern infantry tactics. Highly recommended read.
I was issued a copy in my reading material for the armor officer's basic course, long, long ago. Armor, you ask? You'll see.
An e-copy (minus the illustrations, which help) is avaiable from the U.S. Army Command and General Staff College (they hand out hard copies to students there, as well):
http://www-cgsc.army.mil/carl/resources/csi/Swinton/Swinton.asp
Google Books has a scan of a reprint of the CGSC hard copy, which also includes the illos:
http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&id=3kJ21N_NX9YC&dq=defence+of+duffer's+drift&printsec=frontcover&source=web&ots=WjeSfGLwr8&sig=MbL1-LE62oKuU-i5rIKMMPx4VcA#PPA1,M1
Highly recommended, as Plynkes suggests.
Allen
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Ah, there it is: a nice, legible online copy with the illos inserted--and a very nice collection of professional reading elsewhere on the site (not "Colonial", but informative):
http://regimentalrogue.tripod.com/duffersdrift/Duffers_Drift.htm
Allen
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And accounts of Canadian actions in the war, to supplement the ones at the Canadian War Museum site that Will cited:
http://regimentalrogue.com/misc/boer_war_information.htm
Allen
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My father lived in Colenso - site of one of the larger battles of the Boer War - for a few years when he was growing up - apparently it's incredibly easy to find shell casings, bullets and other minor artifacts in the fields and veldt around the town; every so often they'd find something more interesting - British uniform buttons were especially prized; one kid found an actual bayonet once.
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The Foundry line were/are lovely. Personally I'd love to see some more Boer War Era figures, if not so much for the Boer War itself but for other exotica like Chitral 1895 or the great Pathan risisng of 1897 and then there's the prospect of Britain and the US slugging it out over the territorial argument the Brits had over Venezuela ( the US at one stage foolishly threatened to intervene).
Perhaps someone should start lobbying Gerry Webb at Castaway Arts. Gerry does some outstanding figures for the 1870s/1880s and for the Sudan. Maybe he'd be inclined to inch forward and do a Boer War range given sufficient demand.
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Whats this about a territorial argument over Venezuela?
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A veritable mine of information!
Thanks very much for those URLs, Allen.
Very useful indeed :D
Cheers,
Ian
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Whats this about a territorial argument over Venezuela?
This sounds fascinating. Please enlighten us, Carlos!
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In a nutshell Britain was in dispute over the border demarcation of it's colony in Guyana with Venezuela. President Cleveland, decided his sliding popularity could benefit from with a nice distraction. He invoked the Monroe Doctrine and weighed in on the Venezuelan side threatening the use of force if Britain did not submit to US arbitration of the dispute. Preparations were made by the US for a war.
An interesting hypothetical, Britain had quite a bit on its plate in 1895. Of course given the need to transport troops by sea and the complete disparity of naval powerit would be a short game for a US player. And of course after the US navy is summarily sunk, no prospect of a war with Spain. The mob don't get Havana as a play ground.
More detail here :
http://www.guyana.org/features/guyanastory/chapter84.html
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Cheers Carlos, food for thought ::)
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Yes, could be a good basis for a quasi-historical campaign - maybe with Germany allying with the USA and therefore giving less chance of the RN ruining all the fun too early.
The Chitral campaign is also a great little mini-campaign, with the siege of a small fort and the race to relieve it before the tribes overwhelm it. It would be a great game for small-level actions such as T&T or GASLIGHT etc.
The NWF is such a fascinating theatre, with so many gaming possibilities for larger Brigade level actions or smaller .45 Adventure style skirmishes 8)
Apologies for any hijacking, BTW ;)
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tell me about it, I got qute a few foundry NWF and some old glory mins heading my way now for thouse ranges.
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Yes, could be a good basis for a quasi-historical campaign - maybe with Germany allying with the USA and therefore giving less chance of the RN ruining all the fun too early.
I think in 1895 the better US-ally-british would be-enemy France. Remember, Faschoda happened three years later while the Navy still managed the three-power-standard with France haveing the second largest Navy and Italy being third.
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WW1 in the Spanish main Folks! We got sun and sand, a nice sea breez and death leaden swamps and jungles waiting for you and your freands!
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Could you use Boxer Rebellion and Spanish American War figs for this?
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Could you use Boxer Rebellion and Spanish American War figs for this?
Can't see why not. God knows what the Venezuelans would look like but I suspect Span-Am Spanish would do admirable service. France was still a popular trend leader in military fashions in South America so maybe some chaps in kepis.
The French BTW would make a better fit for a US ally, not only for political reasons, they have a navy, of sorts. The German navy at this point isn't exactly the most potent of threats. And on a related topic of course the Germans French and Brits all united to fight the Venezuelans but a short few years later.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/venezuela1902.htm
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wow ever one jumped into that one didnt they
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Yes, could be a good basis for a quasi-historical campaign - maybe with Germany allying with the USA and therefore giving less chance of the RN ruining all the fun too early.
I think in 1895 the better US-ally-british would be-enemy France. Remember, Faschoda happened three years later while the Navy still managed the three-power-standard with France haveing the second largest Navy and Italy being third.
Fair enough. I was just thinking of a way to keep the RN threat to a minimum, with the ground forces being British/US/Venezuelan and not involving mainland Europeans. I've no problems with having the French as particpants ;)
I never realised the Italian navy was that large, though :o
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And before anyone asks... No. Brazil and Argentina's economies were too reliant on British finance to get involved, even if they evinced the remotest interest in Venezuela.
Totally off topic but if anyone's interest has been piqued in terms of warfare in South America in this time frame try having a look at the Canudos War in Bahia. It has it all: hardy locals railing against social injustice, a wild eyed religious leader with millenarian ideas, failed expeditions getting bushwaced in the scrub, a siege and a whacking great siege gun.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_Canudos
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And before anyone asks... No. Brazil and Argentina's economies were too reliant on British finance to get involved, even if they evinced the remotest interest in Venezuela.
Totally off topic but if anyone's interest has been piqued in terms of warfare in South America in this time frame try having a look at the Canudos War in Bahia. It has it all: hardy locals railing against social injustice, a wild eyed religious leader with millenarian ideas, failed expeditions getting bushwaced in the scrub, a siege and a whacking great siege gun.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_Canudos
Fantstic stuff. There are plenty of ideas there to either fight it as historical, or adapt it to another theatre.
I think it might work very well for Darkest Africa........
....and I have my own "Whacking Great Siege Gun" already lol
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About a 5 minute walk from where I lived in Salvador there is a memorial to the Canudos War. Bizarre to modern sensibilities it doesn't commemorate the massacred populace of Canudos but stands as a memorial to the army.