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Miniatures Adventure => Railway Wargaming => Topic started by: Michi on January 01, 2014, 08:21:34 PM

Title: Railway coach Diner
Post by: Michi on January 01, 2014, 08:21:34 PM
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-YW5Q04eDKlw/UsH02numQNI/AAAAAAAAG1U/FWWjX8l-CuA/s1600/Diner+036.JPG)
28mm people do like to eat some fried food too. It was about time to build a diner!
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-nCXgxhq-aiE/UsH1A-ciCGI/AAAAAAAAG3U/M_G12KgT5ro/s1600/Diner+046+-+Kopie.JPG)

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-RdxF0Guv0mA/UsH08z_1AcI/AAAAAAAAG2w/Qa8YFF6Jw4w/s1600/Diner+043+-+Kopie.JPG)

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Fi-tSUKVYvE/UsH04jmEUTI/AAAAAAAAG10/VZlCi703tIE/s1600/Diner+038.JPG)

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-5aFPmsO9R3Q/UsH06JRnHMI/AAAAAAAAG2I/1dyY1LOXF1k/s1600/Diner+040.JPG)
The rooftop advertising billboards were build from scratch and lettered freehand:
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-HLJopQwEfwQ/UsH0y-hqAFI/AAAAAAAAG0Y/uP3pJvO6jyo/s1600/Diner+026.JPG)
Supporting underframes and verandahs were scratchbuilt:
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ueVStDqDbOQ/UsH01D8k8II/AAAAAAAAG04/F3pE7DILPB0/s1600/Diner+031.JPG)
Two windows were blinded and those for the toilets were glazed with red and blue:
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-L0lvYS8R14g/UsH02Bwho2I/AAAAAAAAG1I/86i2DDh2e0M/s1600/Diner+035.JPG)
The interior was scratchbuilt:
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-GKDkVgP6o_k/UsH4Mj2TYpI/AAAAAAAAG34/WX0GPJkgsIE/s1600/Diner+001.JPG)
The formerly yellow body got a green repaint:
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-lQynWuP7tJ8/UsH0s1sjEWI/AAAAAAAAGyg/fu2LcS-WO2M/s1600/Diner+006.JPG)
I installed 3 warm white light emitting diodes:
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-W2fQDTR3WME/UsH0tfLS5qI/AAAAAAAAGys/TdeE8_fSIHM/s1600/Diner+009.JPG)
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-6XCThxE9D3k/UsH0uRNw_qI/AAAAAAAAGy8/bCV-EsRyIzE/s1600/Diner+013.JPG)
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-QxaqaiOZ7qI/UsH0viFB7OI/AAAAAAAAGzU/iA3-uiq16B4/s1600/Diner+015.JPG)
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-GfPO1b0g2Jo/UsH0vb4o3uI/AAAAAAAAGzQ/L4xOtMrI92Q/s1600/Diner+016.JPG)
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-kNMnZbr9QJw/UsH0yYeRBMI/AAAAAAAAG0Q/5d4YG9SpDB4/s1600/Diner+024.JPG)
Title: Re: Railway coach Diner
Post by: FramFramson on January 02, 2014, 04:58:55 AM
Wow! Now that is REALLY nice! Some serious dedication on doing such a full interior!
Title: Re: Railway coach Diner
Post by: von Lucky on January 02, 2014, 07:52:28 AM
I can smell the food! Very, very nice.

As an aside, Rindfleischetikettierungsüberwachungsaufgabenübertragungsgesetz was brought to my attention by a colleague today. The word, like your build, have a certain awesomeness about them.
Title: Re: Railway coach Diner
Post by: Michi on January 02, 2014, 08:20:05 AM
Rindfleischetikettierungsüberwachungsaufgabenübertragungsgesetz

I´d like to listen to you trying to say that!  :D

From Wikipedia: "The name is an example of the virtually unlimited compounding of nouns that is possible in many Germanic languages. German orthography uses “closed” compounds, concatenating nouns to form one long word. This is unlike most English compounds, which are separated using spaces or hyphens."

Title: Re: Railway coach Diner
Post by: Freelancer on January 02, 2014, 11:33:00 PM
That's Gorgeous
Title: Re: Railway coach Diner
Post by: former user on January 03, 2014, 12:09:01 AM
love it!  :-*
Title: Re: Railway coach Diner
Post by: OSHIROmodels on January 08, 2014, 01:33:19 PM
Excellent work  :-* :-*

cheers

James
Title: Re: Railway coach Diner
Post by: Dr DeAth on January 08, 2014, 01:36:05 PM
Brilliant!!  :-* :-*
Title: Re: Railway coach Diner
Post by: Hu Rhu on January 09, 2014, 04:34:01 PM
Excellent work.  Is the diner car scratch built or was it converted from a railway model?  If so which one.
Title: Re: Railway coach Diner
Post by: Michi on January 09, 2014, 07:29:06 PM
Excellent work.  Is the diner car scratch built or was it converted from a railway model?  If so which one.

It´s made from the body of a Bachmann On30 observation car - very much like that coach of mine, but with a different verandah and front windows on one end:
(http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll111/wamasaka/Mini2011/Knpfchenbilder444.jpg)
You can get the observation cars only in passenger train sets. Single ones are available from cannibalized sets on Ebay occasionally.
Title: Re: Railway coach Diner
Post by: FramFramson on January 09, 2014, 08:37:12 PM
Say, where did you get the hex windows you tinted for the bathrooms?

EDIT: Never mind, I just saw them on the original car.
Title: Re: Railway coach Diner
Post by: Constable Bertrand on January 16, 2014, 04:48:27 AM
 :o

Nice ambiance to the diner Michi. I like your freehand signage.

But, how on earth did you scratch build the chairs? !!! Surely they were left over from something... more details please. (i may like to borrow the idea for my 'car').

Cheers
Matt
Title: Re: Railway coach Diner
Post by: Michi on January 16, 2014, 10:42:30 AM
But, how on earth did you scratch build the chairs? !!! Surely they were left over from something... more details please. (i may like to borrow the idea for my 'car').

Cheers
Matt

Cheers Matt, the chairs were leftovers from observaton car that used to have rows of seats which were all facing in one dircetion, the additional bathroom window was donated by one of the combine cars (coaches with baggage compartments) that I used to cut in halves to make a baggage car (which has no windows at all) and a coach (which has only one bathroom) some time ago. I cut the seats from the floor (one-piece cast), glued the backrests of pairs of seats together and arranged them in a way that every table was exactly in front of a window. The floor is a tiled plastic sheet made by Auhagen.
However it would be no big deal to scratch build such seats from plastic sheet. You´d need 3 (4 for a back to back seat) parts: Backrest,  (2)seat(s) and side.
Title: Re: Railway coach Diner
Post by: Mason on January 16, 2014, 01:14:46 PM
Wonderful, Michi.
Simply wonderful.
 :-* :-*

Title: Re: Railway coach Diner
Post by: Constable Bertrand on January 16, 2014, 09:14:10 PM
Cheers Matt, the chairs were leftovers from observaton car...
However it would be no big deal to scratch build such seats from plastic sheet. You´d need 3 (4 for a back to back seat) parts: Backrest,  (2)seat(s) and side.

Argh, my fat fingers have sever difficulty with the smaller details to cut glue and sand :) I will have to give it a try.

Cheers
Matt
Title: Re: Railway coach Diner
Post by: Michi on January 17, 2014, 07:28:28 AM
Argh, my fat fingers have sever difficulty with the smaller details to cut glue and sand :) I will have to give it a try.

Cheers
Matt

You could still cut/carve them from solid balsa or styrofoam if that suits you better...
Title: Re: Railway coach Diner
Post by: former user on January 17, 2014, 08:43:46 AM
may I ask where You got Your plans from? I had always been into doing something like that too, but never founf enough information.
Title: Re: Railway coach Diner
Post by: Michi on January 17, 2014, 02:39:10 PM
may I ask where You got Your plans from? I had always been into doing something like that too, but never founf enough information.

I usually work without plans. I get inspired mainly by watching movies and try to copy that from memory - sometimes with the help of some photos I find in the www. Like googling for streamline diner in this case: https://www.google.com/search?q=diner+coach&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=OUDZUuntBouv4QTh4oDoAQ&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1280&bih=791#q=streamline+diner+&tbm=isch
Title: Re: Railway coach Diner
Post by: former user on January 17, 2014, 02:42:55 PM
yes, that was my approach so far too, but Your is at least two generations earlier than "streamline", so I thought I'd ask  ;)
Title: Re: Railway coach Diner
Post by: Michi on January 17, 2014, 07:08:41 PM
Your is at least two generations earlier than "streamline", so I thought I'd ask  ;)

You´re totally right. My thoughts were that the building of streamline diners must have been inspired by the original use of real railway coaches, because there are so many optical similarities apart from being wider to allow a little more space inside. Actually there are some prototype coaches still in use as diners today too. I just made up my mind what they would have looked like if they predated the art déco era and I would bet that there are or were actual diners just like that!  :D

Look: http://www.google.de/imgres?start=162&client=firefox-a&hs=Umv&sa=X&rls=org.mozilla%3Ade%3Aofficial&biw=1366&bih=664&tbm=isch&tbnid=dqFH0V4JZzEJSM%3A&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fohtheplaceswesee.com%2F2013%2F11%2F01%2Fhashtag-the-hashbrowns-at-franks-diner-spokane%2F&docid=mPQqKPxlrHDjyM&imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fohtheplaceswesee.files.wordpress.com%2F2013%2F11%2Fimg_1308.jpg&w=3264&h=2448&ei=MYDZUqCMGImThgeZ94CoAQ&zoom=1&iact=rc&dur=3199&page=7&ndsp=25&ved=0CIECEK0DMFQ4ZA

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v214/willysmb44/TweetsieDiner.jpg)

(http://xroads.virginia.edu/~hyper/INCORP/interurbanrail/diner.jpg)
Title: Re: Railway coach Diner
Post by: former user on January 17, 2014, 07:26:31 PM
quite so!
the Wiki about diners
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_diner#American_Diners_Association
apparently contains published material from
"The American Diner "©1998 Michael Karl Witzel
that says exactly that

which also corresponds to the railway dining cars being introduced in the late 19th C in USA because of the long journeys between stops so that people could eat

so You credibly retrostyled that concept  ;)
Title: Re: Railway coach Diner
Post by: Michi on January 17, 2014, 07:31:04 PM
so You credibly retrostyled that concept  ;)

You see!  :D

And there is another example (patience pays off!):
http://www.google.de/imgres?start=490&client=firefox-a&sa=X&rls=org.mozilla%3Ade%3Aofficial&biw=1366&bih=664&tbm=isch&tbnid=PXAPoHhCTv4FbM%3A&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.arkansasrailroadhistory.com%2Froadside-diner%2Froadside-diner.htm&docid=JBQ92opjeJTqOM&imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.arkansasrailroadhistory.com%2Froadside-diner%2FPine-Bluff-AR-2w.jpg&w=1200&h=651&ei=e4TZUrqGEo6UhQfdxoHwDQ&zoom=1&iact=rc&dur=2280&page=20&ndsp=24&ved=0CCMQrQMwCjj0Aw
(http://www.arkansasrailroadhistory.com/roadside-diner/Pine-Bluff-AR-1w.jpg)
Title: Re: Railway coach Diner
Post by: Michi on January 17, 2014, 07:34:11 PM
Now this photo is totally exciting and would make an impressive gaming table for VSF, wouldn´t it?
(http://www.arkansasrailroadhistory.com/roadside-diner/Bowery-near-Grand.jpg)
Title: Re: Railway coach Diner
Post by: former user on January 17, 2014, 07:46:25 PM
You are sooo right...  :-*

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F50f76_CdIU
Title: Re: Railway coach Diner
Post by: FramFramson on January 18, 2014, 01:28:30 AM
You see!  :D

And there is another example (patience pays off!):
http://www.google.de/imgres?start=490&client=firefox-a&sa=X&rls=org.mozilla%3Ade%3Aofficial&biw=1366&bih=664&tbm=isch&tbnid=PXAPoHhCTv4FbM%3A&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.arkansasrailroadhistory.com%2Froadside-diner%2Froadside-diner.htm&docid=JBQ92opjeJTqOM&imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.arkansasrailroadhistory.com%2Froadside-diner%2FPine-Bluff-AR-2w.jpg&w=1200&h=651&ei=e4TZUrqGEo6UhQfdxoHwDQ&zoom=1&iact=rc&dur=2280&page=20&ndsp=24&ved=0CCMQrQMwCjj0Aw
(http://www.arkansasrailroadhistory.com/roadside-diner/Pine-Bluff-AR-1w.jpg)


I am laughing SO HARD at that sign on the left right now. Ohhh wow.  lol lol lol
Title: Re: Railway coach Diner
Post by: rumacara on April 06, 2014, 10:30:20 AM
Hello

Nice photos with lots of ideas. :D


Cheers

Rumacara