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Title: Trains 28mm - Armoured Train update(Apr 20)
Post by: Eric the Shed on February 01, 2014, 07:32:41 AM: Hi Folks

Found a really interesting kids train set that might just work for 28mm..

(http://i1082.photobucket.com/albums/j375/ErictheShed/tRAINS/DSC_1683_zpsc9662302.jpg)

All the details up on the blog

http://shedwars.blogspot.co.uk/2014/02/28mm-trains-for-wargamers-part-1.html

Have a great weekend - particularly excited to see England play tonight !
Title: Re: Trains 28mm
Post by: Silent Invader on February 01, 2014, 07:40:38 AM: While I'll freely admit that I know nothing about trains, to me that does have a 1920/30s vibe: great spot! 8)
Title: Re: Trains 28mm
Post by: Constable Bertrand on February 01, 2014, 08:06:24 AM: Looks the same set to me Eric, and they are spot on for size as you noticed. If you want some other trains out there on the market, check my 2013 Christmas Bargain Trains thread in "railway wargaming" http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=59615.0

Interesting it comes with 2 tenders...

Cheers
Matt
Title: Re: Trains 28mm
Post by: Elk101 on February 01, 2014, 09:04:26 AM: Giles, I'm sure I've seen the set with the passenger coaches in Poundstretcher. I took an Artisan WWII figure into the shop to test the size and it looked a little small to me. It may not be the same one but it does look very similar.
Title: Re: Trains 28mm
Post by: The Dozing Dragon on February 01, 2014, 09:12:46 AM: Quote from: Elk101 on February 01, 2014, 09:04:26 AM
I took an Artisan WWII figure into the shop to test the size

That is a good idea. The number of times I see stuff and wonder...maybe I should carry a figure around with me all the time....my wife has given up on me anyway regarding the hobby so it may not seem too strange to others????
Title: Re: Trains 28mm
Post by: former user on February 01, 2014, 09:21:15 AM: it might look acceptable and there surely are and were narrow gauge trains of smaller size similar to Your model, but the scale of it rather fits 20 mm, not 28mm.
Title: Re: Trains 28mm
Post by: Eric the Shed on February 05, 2014, 05:48:42 PM: Hi Folks

Part two of my journey into Trains for wargaming can be found here

http://shedwars.blogspot.co.uk/2014/02/28mm-train-for-wargames-part-2.html (http://shedwars.blogspot.co.uk/2014/02/28mm-train-for-wargames-part-2.html)

In my last post I mentioned that I had sourced another set - it turned up and it is fabulous

The picture below shows the two locos - bet you can guess which one I am happy with :D

(http://i1082.photobucket.com/albums/j375/ErictheShed/tRAINS/B4_zpsb9ef496a.jpg)

and here is the new loco with a 28mm figure

(http://i1082.photobucket.com/albums/j375/ErictheShed/tRAINS/B5_zps428f9d48.jpg)

The blog shows all the kit you get (lots) plus a great cheap source -

Cheers
Title: Re: Trains 28mm - A better loco for 28mm - plus loads of track (feb5)
Post by: AndrewBeasley on February 05, 2014, 06:24:44 PM: Neat find. The second is a better size than the first as they should dominate the figures next to them.

Are you going to repaint or leave it as is? Painting is tempting for war colours but if you are representing a civilian train you can get away with it as is.

Re note about figures while shopping - I've carried 28/15/6 before today but normally had troubles digging the 6mm out of the pocket fluff lol. Before you ask - never carried a 2mm strip with me...
Title: Re: Trains 28mm - A better loco for 28mm - plus loads of track (feb5)
Post by: Constable Bertrand on February 05, 2014, 08:03:14 PM: Wow same train, but scaled bigger and amother set of driving wheels. How unusual, good thing about the wheels if you want to buy the right one on eBay.

Paint it a weathered black - use it for everything.

Cheers
Matt
Title: Re: Trains 28mm
Post by: Daeothar on February 06, 2014, 08:36:39 AM: Quote from: The Dozing Dragon on February 01, 2014, 09:12:46 AM
That is a good idea. The number of times I see stuff and wonder...maybe I should carry a figure around with me all the time....my wife has given up on me anyway regarding the hobby so it may not seem too strange to others????

A couple of years ago I designed my own Pocket Scale-O-Meter for exactly that purpose. I still carry it in my wallet, and it has proven to be very useful at times.

See my thread here (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=35028.15) and a picture below :)
Title: Re: Trains 28mm
Post by: Elk101 on February 06, 2014, 11:34:55 AM: Quote from: Daeothar on February 06, 2014, 08:36:39 AM
A couple of years ago I designed my own Pocket Scale-O-Meter for exactly that purpose. I still carry it in my wallet, and it has proven to be very useful at times.

See my thread here (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=35028.15) and a picture below :)

Oooh, I like that, very useful.
Title: Re: Trains 28mm - A better loco for 28mm - plus loads of track (feb5)
Post by: Eric the Shed on February 06, 2014, 01:25:06 PM: very useful...
Title: Re: Trains 28mm - A better loco for 28mm - plus loads of track (feb5)
Post by: 6milPhil on February 06, 2014, 02:01:06 PM: See I just use a tuppence...
Title: Re: Trains 28mm - A better loco for 28mm - plus loads of track (feb5)
Post by: Daeothar on February 06, 2014, 03:00:03 PM: Quote from: 6milPhil on February 06, 2014, 02:01:06 PM
See I just use a tuppence...

Ah, but that will only be representative if all your minis are painted like Veteran Trooper Smik (http://tsoalr.com/?p=24)... :D

Oh, and pardon the derailment of this thread of course... ::)
Title: Re: Trains 28mm - A better loco for 28mm - plus loads of track (feb5)
Post by: Eric the Shed on February 06, 2014, 04:10:21 PM: Forgiven nice pun
Title: Re: Trains 28mm - A better loco for 28mm - plus loads of track (feb5)
Post by: Daeothar on February 06, 2014, 04:32:54 PM: Ok, so back on track then... :D

Does the train (2nd one) have a regular scale? It does still look smallish next to a 28mm mini. And did you get enough rails to populate a table?
Title: Re: Trains 28mm - A better loco for 28mm - plus loads of track (feb5)
Post by: Eric the Shed on February 06, 2014, 05:04:21 PM: Don't know the scale of second one

As the blog says loads of track and lots of straights
Title: Re: Trains 28mm - A better loco for 28mm - plus loads of track (feb5)
Post by: Eric the Shed on February 16, 2014, 08:36:11 AM: Finished the flat sections of track yesterday - starting on the Embankments today..

Full how to on the blog

http://shedwars.blogspot.co.uk/2014/02/28mm-trains-gor-wargames-part-3.html (http://shedwars.blogspot.co.uk/2014/02/28mm-trains-gor-wargames-part-3.html)

(http://i1082.photobucket.com/albums/j375/ErictheShed/tRAINS/PT10_zpsed5c6274.jpg)

cheers
Title: Re: Trains 28mm - Laying the track(feb16)
Post by: Eric the Shed on March 02, 2014, 09:27:23 PM: Hi Folks

I was able top push ahead and finish the rail embankments today - full tutorial and pics on the blog

http://shedwars.blogspot.co.uk/2014/03/rail-embankments-trains-for-wargames.html (http://shedwars.blogspot.co.uk/2014/03/rail-embankments-trains-for-wargames.html)

(http://i1082.photobucket.com/albums/j375/ErictheShed/train%20embankments/e26_zps58311e9b.jpg)

until next time
Title: Re: Trains 28mm - Rail Embankmentsa(Mar 2nd)
Post by: FramFramson on March 02, 2014, 11:26:09 PM: Wouldja lookit that!
Title: Re: Trains 28mm - Rail Embankmentsa(Mar 2nd)
Post by: Eric the Shed on April 11, 2014, 06:53:39 AM: Just started my armoured train for my VBCW project - part 1 of the tutorial up on the blog

http://shedwars.blogspot.co.uk/2014/04/the-armoured-train.html (http://shedwars.blogspot.co.uk/2014/04/the-armoured-train.html)

(http://i1082.photobucket.com/albums/j375/ErictheShed/Armoured%20Train/t7_zpsbe0ea354.jpg)

cheers
Title: Re: Trains 28mm - Armoured Train(Apr 11)
Post by: Elk101 on April 11, 2014, 07:01:37 AM: I literally just finished reading this on your blog; very nice stuff.
Title: Re: Trains 28mm - Armoured Train(Apr 11)
Post by: Constable Bertrand on April 11, 2014, 07:34:22 AM: Nice Eric! The slotta basses made me chuckle. lol

I think the level crossing looks fantastic by the way. Spot on for that era/setting.

Cheers
Matt
Title: Re: Trains 28mm - Armoured Train(Apr 11)
Post by: former user on April 11, 2014, 07:41:29 AM: Wow @Eric, this is a nice scratchbuild conversion. what type are the guns?

I would object to the tactical concept of Your train though, if You don't mind.

So over the various uses of armoured trains, the tactical use established types into two basic concepts.
The first is the combat train with basically two types, light and heavy, by manufacture of armour and often including improvisations. Armament used to be light field guns or mortars up to 75-100mm and a lot of machineguns.
The second concept is the support train, with heavier and longer range artillery, and usually only defensive purpose support weapons. As usual for artillery units, AA cover is a good idea. Armour would here be of the lighter type, because these would not be supposed to purposefully operate under enemy fire. Reserve elements like infantry and cavalry cars could be included.
Railway artillery is not covered in this breakup being of a different purpose.

Now Your railcar has the center armoured cabin with firing slits (combat role), while it has large calibre artillery (support role) that are completely without cover. This is a bit of a contradiction.
I would suggest to abandon the firing slits and make the center compartment a command and ammo station, maybe by adding a rangefinder? Plus adding fold-down service platforms with side stabilizers to the main guns that can double as light armour during transport.

Of course VBCW offers a certain flexibility with history, plus You can do whatever the hell You want with Your construction. And You certainly don't need my uninvited advice :D
I just thought I'd offer the bit of research and experience I gathered with my own armoured train projects if You like to be entertained by it ;)
Title: Re: Trains 28mm - Armoured Train(Apr 11)
Post by: Silent Invader on April 11, 2014, 08:37:32 AM: Nicely done Giles 8)
Title: Re: Trains 28mm - Armoured Train(Apr 11)
Post by: Eric the Shed on April 19, 2014, 09:08:41 AM: Next part of the armoured train is up on the blog

http://shedwars.blogspot.co.uk/2014/04/the-armoured-train-part-2.html (http://shedwars.blogspot.co.uk/2014/04/the-armoured-train-part-2.html)

(http://i1082.photobucket.com/albums/j375/ErictheShed/Armoured%20Train/tt4_zps313c5f5d.jpg)
Title: Re: Trains 28mm - Armoured Train update(Apr 20)
Post by: Rob_bresnen on April 19, 2014, 09:57:36 AM: i am following this with great interest- I love what you are doing!