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Miniatures Adventure => Pulp => Topic started by: Amalric on February 05, 2014, 01:40:35 AM

Title: Modular Egyptian Ruins [WIP feb 21]
Post by: Amalric on February 05, 2014, 01:40:35 AM
Here are the ruins we've just finished.
They are a mix of Hirst Arts Temple Entrance [Thanks Naloomi], aquarium decor, Renedra ridge tents and good ole 1/35 brick sets that lingered too long.

(http://imageshack.com/a/img607/2126/zti9.jpg)
(http://imageshack.com/a/img543/7969/y4wu.jpg)
(http://imageshack.com/a/img690/5169/0s5b.jpg)
(http://imageshack.com/a/img706/7852/rhhg.jpg)
(http://imageshack.com/a/img811/4962/zhjh.jpg)
(http://imageshack.com/a/img845/7192/dahe.jpg)
(http://imageshack.com/a/img607/2811/mgai.jpg)
(http://imageshack.com/a/img577/1728/2tfw.jpg)
(http://imageshack.com/a/img827/8466/el85.jpg)

Painted by base coating dark brown and dry brushing 2 shades of Americana craft paint sand.

And the a big thanks to the painting crew, Thing 1 and Thing 2;
(http://imageshack.com/a/img38/479/b9dl.jpg)

Enjoy.
Title: Re: Modular Egyptian Ruins
Post by: hjorhrafn on February 05, 2014, 02:22:54 AM
Very, very nice.  I'm going to have to break down and visit the pet store sooner or later.  Some of those aquarium pieces I keep seeing look great. 
Title: Re: Modular Egyptian Ruins
Post by: Lysander on February 05, 2014, 04:18:50 AM
Outstanding! 

Where did you find the seated pharaohs and the huge pharaoh head? I have scoured Google, Amazon, etc. and I couldn't find anything like them.
Title: Re: Modular Egyptian Ruins
Post by: Amalric on February 05, 2014, 05:00:07 AM
Where did you find the seated pharaohs and the huge pharaoh head?

I got them at Walmart.
Last time I was there they still had the seated Pharaoh for $12 though I haven't seen the head in a while.
Title: Re: Modular Egyptian Ruins
Post by: Wolf Girl on February 05, 2014, 05:10:33 AM

Great looking terrain. I wish our Walmart had stuff like that.




Title: Re: Modular Egyptian Ruins
Post by: Hitman on February 05, 2014, 05:27:47 AM
Awesome terrain and wonderful having a painting crew at that age that are not assimilated with electronic devices stuck to their hands and ears.... o_o

Keep up the great work to both your girls and you!!
Regards,
Hitman
Title: Re: Modular Egyptian Ruins
Post by: Prof. Dinglebat. Phd. on February 05, 2014, 06:19:31 AM
Thing 1 and Thing 2 just like the Adam's Family hand at work.  ;)
Title: Re: Modular Egyptian Ruins
Post by: Mad Lord Snapcase on February 05, 2014, 07:44:43 AM
This looks fantastic! Well done. Are you having a game soon? I see there is a raised edge to your table. Presumably you are going to fill the base with sand?
Title: Re: Modular Egyptian Ruins
Post by: Amalric on February 05, 2014, 02:50:00 PM
This looks fantastic! Well done. Are you having a game soon? I see there is a raised edge to your table. Presumably you are going to fill the base with sand?

Yes I'm hoping to game with it soon.

The Lip is there to hold stuff on the board, are real sand table would be nice. It is part of my modular board.
I have two 2'x4' boards that I can bot together to form one 4'x4' board when I need one that big.

Thank you for all the kind words.
FYI, the sitting Pharaoh pieces are fragile, one took a swan dive onto the kitchen floor.
Luckily superglue works well on it.   :o
Title: Re: Modular Egyptian Ruins
Post by: pistolpete on February 05, 2014, 02:50:27 PM
that's great - consider me jealous.
Title: Re: Modular Egyptian Ruins
Post by: marianas_gamer on February 05, 2014, 07:41:52 PM
You are complete! Very nice, be sure to reward your crew!
LB
Title: Re: Modular Egyptian Ruins
Post by: jet on February 05, 2014, 09:58:55 PM
Wonderful stuff. As a father of two I am a huge fan of child labour.
Title: Re: Modular Egyptian Ruins
Post by: Mindenbrush on February 06, 2014, 01:23:42 AM
Excellent scenery  8) 8) 8) 8)

I picked a 'Nefertiti" head and shoulders in the Dollar store a couple of weeks back, think it is made out of dental plaster or similar as it made a lot of dust as I ground a hidden "entry way" into 1 shoulder - it will be covered by a new section when it is finished.

I will have to drop into my local Walmart!
Title: Re: Modular Egyptian Ruins
Post by: Lysander on February 06, 2014, 01:40:14 AM
I got them at Walmart.
Last time I was there they still had the seated Pharaoh for $12 though I haven't seen the head in a while.

Thanks for the info.  I picked up 2 of the sitting pharaohs at Walmart today.  Unfortunately, no heads were to be found.  Is the large stone slab/hill something that you made?
Title: Re: Modular Egyptian Ruins
Post by: General on February 06, 2014, 01:59:30 AM
The Egyptian stuff turns over fast at Wal-Mart.  We must not be the only ones who like it!
Title: Re: Modular Egyptian Ruins
Post by: Amalric on February 06, 2014, 03:09:23 AM
....  Is the large stone slab/hill something that you made?

Yes. My older brother carved it out of foam, coated it in gesso and then we finished it off.
I'm sorry, I should have mentioned that in the OP.


The Egyptian stuff turns over fast at Wal-Mart.  We must not be the only ones who like it!

You mean maybe someone GASP is using aquarium decor in their aquarium?
In all seriousness, turnover is good.
Maybe this way they'll keep it in stock, and or come up with new Egyptian stuff for us.
Title: Re: Modular Egyptian Ruins
Post by: Amalric on February 07, 2014, 01:27:20 AM
Deep in the trackless wastes in the desert West of Karnak, is supposed to lie the Well of the Gods. A fabled place of legend where a man can find Wealth untold and the secret to everlasting life. But stories also tell that the Gods of the Well are fickle and cruel. How do men of science find out the answers? By finding the Well and seeing for themselves.

The well as first seen by Prof. Hofstedder's expedition, merely a ruin with no sign of any Gods.
Any statuary having been looted or destroyed long ago.
(http://imageshack.com/a/img32/5874/5eep.jpg)

But wait, what is happening? Quick take a picture!
(http://imageshack.com/a/img401/6986/0xmn.jpg)

What is that thing? Arggggggggggggggg....
(http://imageshack.com/a/img822/8664/e5nd.jpg)

Well I found where my sand colored board was stashed and took these quick pics of the well I made from a CDRom, blue foam and some Hirst left overs. There is enough room in the well for a 1" round base to be placed making it good for cover. The center pedestal I left open for whatever, if anything, is required by the scenario or more likely because i didnt have anything suitable for an Egyptian Fountain.  :D
Title: Re: Modular Egyptian Ruins
Post by: mikedemana on February 07, 2014, 01:27:58 AM
I detest going to Wal-Mart.. >:(...but I may have to slip in one day and check out their aquarium stuff. Great job roping the kiddos into the production line...!

Mike Demana
Title: Re: Modular Egyptian Ruins [Well added feb 6]
Post by: d phipps on February 07, 2014, 03:17:44 AM
Nice work on the well, Amalric! Those lil' cthulhu statues turn up in the darndest places.  :D
Title: Re: Modular Egyptian Ruins [Well added feb 6]
Post by: hjorhrafn on February 07, 2014, 04:26:43 AM
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Penn-Plax-Mini-Pharaoh-Aquarium-Decor/26947551
Here is a Pharaoh head, $27

and a Sphinx, same price
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Aquatic-Creations-Sporn-AZNZQU02082-Resin-Ornament-Medium-Sphinx/24871888

You can probably find them cheaper other places online and without having to support Wal-mart. 
Title: Re: Modular Egyptian Ruins [Well added feb 6]
Post by: Mad Lord Snapcase on February 07, 2014, 06:32:54 AM
Quote
The well as first seen by Prof. Hofstedder's expedition

If I recall correctly, wasn't there a Dr. S. Cooper on that expedition as well?

The well looks great, another idea to copy. I like the way it looks.
Title: Re: Modular Egyptian Ruins [Well added feb 6]
Post by: Lysander on February 08, 2014, 02:01:48 AM
Amalric - I noted in both this and some other earlier posts (on other threads) you mentioned using brown (maybe dark brown) as a base coat followed by lighter acrylic coats....with the base possibly being a spray coat base.

As someone with no personal intrinsic originality (a simple thief of my betters), could you detail the paints and layers?  I have a fair amount of Egyptian landscape that I am trying to bring into uniformity.
Title: Re: Modular Egyptian Ruins [Well added feb 6]
Post by: Valerik on February 08, 2014, 05:05:15 AM
...As someone with no personal intrinsic originality (a simple thief of my betters)...

Whilst I shall endeavour to properly attribute this succinct definition of my own character flaw, I make NO promises...

For years now I've claimed to be the least creative person alive, yet I am at once well versed in, and adept at, either interpretation or edition.

You Sir, say it so much more eloquently.

How can I fail to steal this and make it my own?

Thank you!!

Valerik
Title: Re: Modular Egyptian Ruins [Well added feb 6]
Post by: Amalric on February 08, 2014, 08:39:00 PM
Gents,
Here is what I used.
The paints are Americana brand  'craft paints' I get cheap at Hobby Lobby.

Base -Burnt Umber [this is a generic dark brown]

Heavy Drybrush  -Desert Sand [this is the main color of the ruins, a wonderful slightly yellowish sand color]
-you want the piece to be mainly this color with the dark brown showing only in the cracks, hieroglyphics, etc.

Light Drybrush -Bleached Sand [a very light bone color/off white ]
-I drybrushed this onto the high points, corners, etc. to make details pop


For the base coat on the larger plastic/resin pieces I used a dark brown spray paint.

I hope this helps.
And its not theft, as none of the above is original to me.
The great thing about this forum is the wealth of information/inspiration freely shared.

I look forward to seeing your ruins.
 :)
Title: Re: Modular Egyptian Ruins [Well added feb 6]
Post by: Westfalia Chris on February 08, 2014, 09:14:23 PM
Well, well, well, what do we have here?  ;) Quite a nice piece. It may be due to that episode of Savage Sword of Conan I re-read recently, but I half expected an eldritch horror to be sleeping beneath it...
Title: Re: Modular Egyptian Ruins [Well added feb 6]
Post by: Amalric on February 22, 2014, 01:00:22 AM
Look what arrived in todays mail.  :D
(http://imageshack.com/a/img841/6720/hzr7.jpg)

And its all the fault of this chappee...
http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=63502.0 (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=63502.0)
When I read this I had to hunt one down.
$20 delivered.  :D

Now where did thing 1 and thing 2 get off to?
Title: Re: Modular Egyptian Ruins [WIP feb 21]
Post by: War In 15MM on February 22, 2014, 06:33:51 AM
Amalric, congratulations on getting a great addition to your Egyptian terrain.  I should tell you that after reading your posting I went to Walmart and got lucky and found that they had one of your seated pharaohs still on the shelf… I bought it.  Richard
Title: Re: Modular Egyptian Ruins [Well added feb 6]
Post by: Mad Lord Snapcase on February 22, 2014, 10:47:13 AM
Look what arrived in todays mail.  :D
(http://imageshack.com/a/img841/6720/hzr7.jpg)

And its all the fault of this chappee...
http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=63502.0 (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=63502.0)
When I read this I had to hunt one down.
$20 delivered.  :D

Now where did thing 1 and thing 2 get off to?

I do like the look of this and War In 15MM's thread is fantastic. What's this piece called and who makes it?
Title: Re: Modular Egyptian Ruins [WIP feb 21]
Post by: War In 15MM on February 22, 2014, 02:48:18 PM
Mad Lord, the name of the piece is Great Adventure of Lost Kingdom Playset.   I took another look at the boxes mine came and found that in very small letters they says AGGCO Corp. Ltd.   According to the boxes mine were produced in 2003.  Amalric's might be a newer production of it and perhaps by another company.  More importantly, he may have a source where others can be purchased.  I got mine at the swap meet so I can't help with a source.  Glad you enjoyed my temple complex.  Richard 
Title: Re: Modular Egyptian Ruins [WIP feb 21]
Post by: Mad Lord Snapcase on February 22, 2014, 06:10:04 PM
Richard, thanks for your help, I shall start searching! (I have a bid in already on a pyramid!)  ;)

Your post just inspired me, thanks.
Title: Re: Modular Egyptian Ruins [WIP feb 21]
Post by: Amalric on February 22, 2014, 10:39:16 PM
Richard, I look forward to seeing your very inspirational temple done!

Snappy, mine was made in 2003 by the same folks as Richards.

(http://imageshack.com/a/img585/4541/8r3c.jpg)
(http://imageshack.com/a/img823/1925/xv21.jpg)

I had Thing 1 & Thing 2 wash all the pieces down and dry. Then I hit them [the pieces of the temple not Thing 1&2  ;D] with all the dark brown primer I had left, and got about 2/3s primed. Well off to the hardware store!
Title: Re: Modular Egyptian Ruins [WIP feb 21]
Post by: fastolfrus on February 22, 2014, 11:25:40 PM
Richard, thanks for your help, I shall start searching! (I have a bid in already on a pyramid!)  ;)

Your post just inspired me, thanks.

They were available in the UK, but it was a good few years ago.
Shaun from the Bunker (on the forum as Bunkergames?) pointed them out to me in a place like B&M Bargains or Poundstretcher. The box wax pretty much identical to the photo.
For pyramids you might also look for Ferero Rocher boxes - they sometimes come in plastic pyramids, but not huge. (Although you can usually give the contents to significant other as a bribe).
Title: Re: Modular Egyptian Ruins [WIP feb 21]
Post by: d phipps on February 23, 2014, 05:20:22 AM
Great find! Now I got to track one down.  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Modular Egyptian Ruins [WIP feb 21]
Post by: wolfen on February 23, 2014, 07:20:11 AM
Searched for one today online with no luck. Not giving up, I need that set!
Title: Re: Modular Egyptian Ruins [WIP feb 21]
Post by: Legion1963 on February 23, 2014, 08:24:50 AM
Excellent project Amalric. Since i was a little boy i have been interested in the ancient Egyptian culture and of course i too have a nice project. Alas it is still all in the mind as i am lacking funds to start it up in a good way. It seems you have lots of fun with that stuff and with a painting team like that you can't go wrong. Good stuff.
Title: Re: Modular Egyptian Ruins [WIP feb 21]
Post by: Mad Lord Snapcase on February 23, 2014, 08:35:41 AM
Thanks for all the information, I'll start searching.
Title: Re: Modular Egyptian Ruins [WIP feb 21]
Post by: Amalric on February 23, 2014, 11:08:30 PM
Great find! Now I got to track one down.  ;D ;D
Mine came from Kansas City.  ;D
It was listed on Craigs List in December.

Searched for one today online with no luck. Not giving up, I need that set!
There were a few hits when I googled it for wholesellers.
Maybe someone with connections could wrangle a case of 12 and sell them here?
I could use another one.
Title: Re: Modular Egyptian Ruins [WIP feb 21]
Post by: War In 15MM on February 25, 2014, 03:33:23 AM
Amalric, that's the box.  I started painting today, but it is going to be a couple weeks before my temple complex and pyramids are done.  That said, I'm looking forward to seeing them done myself.  One of the great joys of the hobby for me is that I'm always surprised by how these things look once they are done.  Good luck with yours.  Richard
Title: Re: Modular Egyptian Ruins [WIP feb 21]
Post by: mikedemana on February 27, 2014, 05:01:54 AM
  One of the great joys of the hobby for me is that I'm always surprised by how these things look once they are done.

Richard, I never thought of it that way. But it is SO true. I may have a feeling something I'm working on will turn out nice, but I never really know exactly how it will look. I guess that explains why we like to sit and admire something we build as each stage is completed.

Mike Demana
Title: Re: Modular Egyptian Ruins [WIP feb 21]
Post by: Alfrik on July 02, 2014, 12:30:43 AM
What was the source of your smaller statues?
Title: Re: Modular Egyptian Ruins [WIP feb 21]
Post by: Amalric on July 02, 2014, 12:59:09 AM
What was the source of your smaller statues?

The Horus Hawk statues are aquarium decor I got a long time ago.
The small sphinxes are hirst arts castings.
Title: Re: Modular Egyptian Ruins [WIP feb 21]
Post by: Alfrik on July 02, 2014, 09:52:03 PM
Thanks :)
Title: Re: Modular Egyptian Ruins [WIP feb 21]
Post by: Prof. Dinglebat. Phd. on July 03, 2014, 02:54:35 AM
Great find! Now I got to track one down.  ;D ;D

There's one for sale (at the moment) under the title ....Kai Jal Great Adventure of Lost Kingdom Playset....on the US EBay.

Starting bid:US $14.99
Approximately AU $15.81
[ 0 bids ]

Seller information
piscesgrl3286 (506 )
100% Positive feedback
Title: Re: Modular Egyptian Ruins [WIP feb 21]
Post by: Valerik on July 03, 2014, 03:53:22 AM
AND the gloves come off, as the bidding wars start!!!

Let the feeding frenzy commence!!

44 hours, & counting...


Valerik
Title: Re: Modular Egyptian Ruins [WIP feb 21]
Post by: wolfen on July 03, 2014, 04:25:50 AM
AND the gloves come off, as the bidding wars start!!!

Let the feeding frenzy commence!!

44 hours, & counting...


Valerik

Indeed, this looks set to be a slaughterfest....
Title: Re: Modular Egyptian Ruins [WIP feb 21]
Post by: Amalric on July 03, 2014, 06:30:03 AM
Its now at $55.  :o

Note it seems there are some differences between what came with the one I got and the one currently on ebay.
shorter side walls
no box temple thing for the gold wall
the colonnade only has a front, mine has a front and two sides
more statuary

Here is mine;
(http://imageshack.com/a/img855/5963/nnvi.jpg)
Title: Re: Modular Egyptian Ruins [WIP feb 21]
Post by: wolfen on July 03, 2014, 09:01:45 AM
There is a UK version and a US version from what I have read, though which is which I do not know.
Title: Re: Modular Egyptian Ruins [WIP feb 21]
Post by: Prof. Dinglebat. Phd. on July 03, 2014, 09:06:58 AM
There is a UK version and a US version from what I have read, though which is which I do not know.

Type in your search EBayUS....or EBayUK....EBayAustralia ..you should go direct to that particular EBay or you will have an option to look at the 'world wide' listings.  ;)
Title: Re: Modular Egyptian Ruins [WIP feb 21]
Post by: wolfen on July 03, 2014, 09:19:47 AM
Type in your search EBayUS....or EBayUK....EBayAustralia ..you should go direct to that particular EBay or you will have an option to look at the 'world wide' listings.  ;)

I meant a UK and US version of the playset, not sure which version is on eBay and which is Amalric's.
Title: Re: Modular Egyptian Ruins [WIP feb 21]
Post by: Valerik on July 03, 2014, 02:36:03 PM
Its now at $55. 

Glad I decided early on NOT to pursue Ægyptiana!!

I do keep finding interesting, though personally less useful, stuff though:

(http://www.museumstorecompany.com/images/products/21949.jpg)

From http://www.museumstorecompany.com/Shop-Bargains-On-Sale-Clearance-Deals-Discounts-Sales-Specials/Egyptian-Obelisk-Paperweight-Gift-p7226.html  (http://www.museumstorecompany.com/Shop-Bargains-On-Sale-Clearance-Deals-Discounts-Sales-Specials/Egyptian-Obelisk-Paperweight-Gift-p7226.html)

Many different, unusual, & expensive, bits n'bobs abound...

http://www.museumstorecompany.com/Ancient-Egyptian-Artifacts-v2/  (http://www.museumstorecompany.com/Ancient-Egyptian-Artifacts-v2/)

Other periods & places too!!



Valerik

"Why is my ghoolie chit a silk Rosetta stone?"
Title: Re: Modular Egyptian Ruins [WIP feb 21]
Post by: Dr Mathias on July 03, 2014, 05:36:33 PM
Great thread!

The important question is: Would you consider indenturing Thing 1 and 2 to me for a period of a few years to complete some of my projects lingering around?
Title: Re: Modular Egyptian Ruins [WIP feb 21]
Post by: Valerik on July 03, 2014, 05:58:00 PM
Great thread!

The important question is: Would you consider indenturing Thing 1 and 2 to me for a period of a few years to complete some of my projects lingering around?

OOOOoooooooh!!

How maliciously Pulpy!!


I can SEE the headlines Now!!

"White Slavery Comes to Kansas!!
"Child Labour Activists Picket Pulp Physician's Premises"
"Sweatshop Sighted in Suburbia"
"Citizen Cited in Teen Racketeering Ruckus"
"Sobbing Sisters Saved From Paint & Plaster Prison"


I'd go on, but my editor(s) are screaming, again, something about a deadline?  What's THAT?


Valerik

these days simply a recovering journalist
Title: Re: Modular Egyptian Ruins [WIP feb 21]
Post by: Amalric on July 03, 2014, 06:58:17 PM
....The important question is: Would you consider indenturing Thing 1 and 2 to me for a period of a few years to complete some of my projects lingering around?

Nope.
Unfortunately they've gone on strike, claiming some sort of summer vacation exception.
Also, if they were painting right now, don't you think I would point them towards my own mountain of lead?

Once summer camps are over and the dice start rolling again, I'll get them painting again and bwahahahahahahahaa!



Title: Re: Modular Egyptian Ruins [WIP feb 21]
Post by: Valerik on July 03, 2014, 07:28:46 PM
Nope.  Unfortunately they've gone on strike, claiming some sort of summer vacation exception.

Clearly you need to take a meeting with the Chancellor of the Exchequer to consider increasing the funds available for bribery, uh, DIPLOMATIC dispensation...

Baksheesh may well be as distasteful as it is necessary.

Valerik
Title: Re: Modular Egyptian Ruins [WIP feb 21]
Post by: Amalric on July 03, 2014, 10:46:17 PM
Clearly you need to take a meeting with the Chancellor of the Exchequer ....
I can't get a meeting!
It's always, 'come back next Tuesday...'

....Baksheesh may well be as distasteful as it is necessary....
A concept I am all to familiar with them.
I wish it would work the other way around once in awhile.
Title: Re: Modular Egyptian Ruins [WIP feb 21]
Post by: Valerik on July 07, 2014, 12:17:23 AM
Its now at $55. 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/201117735407?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT  (http://www.ebay.com/itm/201117735407?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT)

Final price = $63.71+ $13.65 shipping

& only TWO bidders...

For those proud possessors was it indeed worth this kinda price?

This is purely outa vulgar curiosity you understand.

Valerik

who likes to grow moss on his money, but is a poor gardener
Title: Re: Modular Egyptian Ruins [WIP feb 21]
Post by: d phipps on July 07, 2014, 12:48:23 AM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/201117735407?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT  (http://www.ebay.com/itm/201117735407?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT)

Final price = $63.71+ $13.65 shipping

& only TWO bidders...

For those proud possessors was it indeed worth this kinda price?



I'd love to have a set, but that's too rich for my pocketbook.  :o
Title: Re: Modular Egyptian Ruins [WIP feb 21]
Post by: Valerik on July 07, 2014, 12:56:16 AM

I'd love to have a set, but that's too rich for my pocketbook. 


Amen Brother, AMEN!!

TESTIFY!!

I was out at 30 bucks with shipping!!

Valerik

Frugal?  Or CHEAP??  Only my banker knows fer sure....
Title: Re: Modular Egyptian Ruins [WIP feb 21]
Post by: Amalric on July 07, 2014, 01:07:37 AM

Amen Brother, AMEN!!

TESTIFY!!

I was out at 30 bucks with shipping!!

Valerik

Frugal?  Or CHEAP??  Only my banker knows fer sure....


Mine only cost me $20, S&H included.
But I'll admit that I got lucky.  ;D
Title: Re: Modular Egyptian Ruins [WIP feb 21]
Post by: d phipps on July 08, 2014, 05:10:07 AM
Mine only cost me $20, S&H included.

Now that sounds more like it!  ;)