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Other Stuff => The Lead Painters' League => Season 8 => Topic started by: Prof.Witchheimer on February 05, 2014, 07:50:05 AM
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This year, the Lead Painters' League will be held for the eighth time. In previous seasons, we amended and changed some of the rules to suit changing requirements, and accordingly, the rules grew in size and maybe lost clarity. To counter this trend, we have decided to re-launch the format with a revamped, simplified and straightened version of the rules (my special thanks to Westfalia Chris for his great editorial work).
The basic rules still apply, i.e. paint at least 5 figures as a team, take a pic, resize the pic to a maximum of 800x800 pixels and send it in. Still, there are some aspects that require special clarification.
Lead Painters League 8 Rules
1. Duration
The Lead Painters' League is commonly held once a year and consists of exactly 10 rounds, with each round taking a week of real time.
2. Number of Participants
The maximum number of participants is 50.
3. Entry Requirements
In order to qualify for participation in the league, you must submit at least three new teams (to be featured in the first three rounds) by a specified deadline. See below for the current league season's deadlines. Admission is organised on a first-come, first-served basis, i.e. the first 50 people to submit three painted teams will participate.
- You may not enter your LPL8 registration pictures before Monday 17th March, 19.00 pm GMT. Any earlier entries won't be accepted.
- The deadline for the first round is Saturday 22nd March 2014, 12.00 noon GMT. Remember, you must submit THREE teams by this date.
- You MUST specify which of these THREE teams is to participate in the first round, which in the second, and which in the third.
4. Teams
A "team" consists of 5 or more fully-painted miniatures.
A "new team" is a set of painted figures photos of which have NOT previously been published ANYWHERE on the Internet (this only applies to the painted state, of course).
All figures must be mounted on finished bases, which may be textured, painted (with a pattern or in a solid, finished single colour) or consist of clear plastic (such as "flying" bases or clear acrylic/perspex shapes).
The figures must form a convincing team by following a common theme AND being "on the same side" within the theme - thus, for example, 2 Vampires and 3 Witch Hunters do NOT form a legal team, whereas 5 Woodland Indians do.
Figures mounted on steeds of any kind (horses, lizards, pigs, motorcycles, squigs or space hoppers) count as a single figure. Larger beasts or vehicles, such as elephants and trucks, count as a single figure with their mahouts or drivers; any extra figures such as howdah fighting crew and passengers are counted separately.
5. Team Photographs
You submit a single photograph of the figures in the team, which may NOT be a collage/composite of individual images.
The maximum image dimensions are 800 pixels wide by 800 pixels high. The maximum file size is 500kb (due to technical limitations and to reduce load time for slower internet connections).
You may NOT use any kind of digital manipulation except for basic correction of white balance, colour balance, sharpness, lightness and contrast.
The following modifications are expressly FORBIDDEN:
- Any text
- Any special effect (e.g. glow effects, artificial shadows, coloured outlines)
- Additional close-ups
- Alternative viewing angles
- Digitally-added background imagery
- Any kind of frames
The above list is NOT comprehensive. Basically, any modification that goes beyond making the picture representative of the actual figures (see above) is forbidden.
6. Photography Backgrounds
Your photo backdrop may be a single colour, a gradient, or a scenery setting including terrain pieces. Note that the backdrop must be in the photo from the start (i.e. you must photograph the figures in front of it), you may not add it digitally at a later point.
7. Submitting Photographs
When submitting photographs, the following details must be supplied in the text body of the e-mail:
- Team Name: to a maximum length of 30 characters (including additional information such as "decals used" or "xx mm scale".
- Member Name: even if it is for the last round of the league, always remember to add your forum username to ease administration and avoid mix-ups.
- Declare if the team is new (see 3. above).
To help us with administration, please also put your user name, team name and intended round in the mail header (e.g. "SamSamplename Crusader_Cavalry Round 2" and, if possible, in the file name (e.g. "SamSamplename_crusader_cavalry_rd2.jpg"). This is useful for keeping track, especially for larger number of participants. Further details as specified under 7.a. need only be put in the text body.
Matches
8. Match pairings
In each round, participants' teams will be paired off in one topic for each pairing. LAF members may vote for either of the two teams. Each user has a single vote.
9. Winning, drawing and losing
If the vote difference is 11 votes or more, the team with the higher number of votes is declared the winner and receives 30 match points. The team with the lower number of votes is the loser and receives 10 match points.
If the vote difference is 10 votes or less, the match is declared a draw and both teams are awarded 20 match points.
10. Bonus points
- For every full 50 votes received, a team is awarded 1 vote bonus point.
- In rounds 4 through 10, any new (i.e. unpublished, cf. 3 above) team will receive 10 points the first time it participates. Older, already published teams may also be submitted to participate, but will not receive this bonus.
11. Bonus Rounds
Rounds 1, 5 and 10 are bonus rounds featuring a specific theme. See below for the specific themes of this year's season. If you submit a new team for a bonus round that matches the bonus round's theme, your team receives an extra theme round bonus as specified below in addition to the 10 point "new team" bonus.
This year, the specific bonus themes are:
Round 1 - The Realms of Fantasy
Anything that is demonstrably "classic fantasy", including, but not limited to, the Hyborian Age, Dungeons and Dragons, Tolkien, Warhammer etc. This explicitly EXCLUDES "fantasy" themes set in the modern world, e.g. Harry Potter or Twilight.
- Paint a fantasy-themed team of at least 5 figures and receive an extra 10 points.
Round 5 - The Ancient World
This includes everything from the dawn of civilization, such as Sumerians or Egyptians, to the Fall of Rome in the West and the beginning of the "Dark Ages". Note that this does NOT include either pre-history or ancient mythology - for example, Myceneans would be acceptable, whereas Argonauts or a gang of naughty Neanderthals would NOT be.
- Paint an ancient-themed team of at least 5 figures and receive an extra 10 points.
Round 10 - The War to end all Wars
This year being the 100th anniversary of the outbreak of the first World War, the final round follows this topic. You may choose any period and theatre during the war, any setting, any scale.
- Paint a WW1-themed team of at least 5 figures and receive an extra 10 points.
- Paint a WW1-themed team (5+ figures) AND a "big thing", such as a Big Bertha, a MkIV or a St. Chamond tank, and receive an extra 15 points.
12. Unfair Means
During any round in which a team is participating in a match, you may NOT post images of the team elsewhere on the internet or ask other people to vote in your favour - it is unsporting and not the conduct of gentlemen.
13. Bonus Awards Points
These bonus points could be collected during the Season 8:
Round 1 - 10 pts theme bonus "The Realms of Fantasy"
Round 2 - no bonus
Round 3 - no bonus
Round 4 - 10 pts new bonus
Round 5 - 10 pts new bonus, 10 pts theme bonus "The Ancient World"
Round 6 - 10 pts new bonus
Round 7 - 10 pts new bonus
Round 8 - 10 pts new bonus
Round 9 - 10 pts new bonus
Round 10 - 10 pts new bonus, 10/15 pts theme bonus "The War to end all Wars"
14. The Championship Title
After the final round of the league (round 10), the winner will be the participant who collected the greatest number of League Points. Should two participants have scored an equal number of League Points, we will hold ‘paint-offs’ - but probably this will not be necessary.
The first three places will be awarded Gold, Silver and Bronze status and will receive a special notation to their LAF account and post info.
15. Timings, Registration and Deadlines
The first round of the eight season will start on Sunday 23rd March, 2014.
Entries to any round must be received by 12.00 GMT on the Saturday before the next round opens on Sunday / Monday.
Which means that you have to get your first three entries in at lpl@leadadventureforum.com until 12.00 GMT on Saturday 22nd March.
The deadlines for Season Eight will be as follows:
Round 1 - Saturday 22nd March
Round 2 - Saturday 22nd March
Round 3 - Saturday 22nd March
Round 4 - Saturday 12th April
Round 5 - Saturday 19th April
Round 6 - Saturday 26th April
Round 7 - Saturday 3rd May
Round 8 - Saturday 10th May
Round 9 - Saturday 17th May
Round 10 - Saturday 24th May
PLEASE USE THIS RULES THREAD ONLY FOR QUESTIONS OR CLARIFICATIONS ON THE RULES.
FOR GENERAL COMMENT ON LPL8, PLEASE USE THE GENERAL LPL8 THREAD:
http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=63101
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section 13 says "season 7".
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section 13 says "season 7".
Fixed, thanks!
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#7 above says: Declare if the team is newly-painted (see 3. above).
but #3 discusses initial submissions and does not mention newly-painted. #4 defines a "new team" but does not define "newly-painted". It is unclear if "new team" is synonymous with "newly-painted".
As a result, it is not clear in #13 Bonus awards points if the newly-painted bonus refers to the "new team" definition or if it means something else like that the figures have been painted since the contest began. If this were the case, is "new team" a requirement that -all- teams submitted must be "set of painted figures photos of which have NOT previously been published ANYWHERE on the Internet"?
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#7 above says: Declare if the team is newly-painted (see 3. above).
but #3 discusses initial submissions and does not mention newly-painted. #4 defines a "new team" but does not define "newly-painted". It is unclear if "new team" is synonymous with "newly-painted".
As a result, it is not clear in #13 Bonus awards points if the newly-painted bonus refers to the "new team" definition or if it means something else like that the figures have been painted since the contest began. If this were the case, is "new team" a requirement that -all- teams submitted must be "set of painted figures photos of which have NOT previously been published ANYWHERE on the Internet"?
Thanks for the hint, you're right, it's confusing. We did call the newly-painted by custom. I've changed all the "newly-painted" to "new".
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It appears that this year all bonus rounds are "single-sided", unlike in previous years when there have been "opposed" double-team rounds for extra points. However, the examples given in "Round 5 - The Ancient World" hint at the latter format of two teams at once. Main rules forbid including adversaries in single teams as usual. So, is there a second-team option missing from Round 5 or should its examples be simplified to the single-team format?
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It appears that this year all bonus rounds are "single-sided", unlike in previous years when there have been "opposed" double-team rounds for extra points. However, the examples given in "Round 5 - The Ancient World" hint at the latter format of two teams at once. Main rules forbid including adversaries in single teams as usual. So, is there a second-team option missing from Round 5 or should its examples be simplified to the single-team format?
Different than originally planned we have cut the second teams out of the bonus rounds, just to lower the stress level and to avoid the problem of necessity for show a lot of figures on a single shot. The example has been written before this alteration in the rules. I agree, it's better to simplify the examples. Already done.
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Round 1 - The Realms of Fantasy
Anything that is demonstrably "classic fantasy", including, but not limited to, the Hyborian Age, Dungeons and Dragons, Tolkien, Warhammer etc. This explicitly EXCLUDES "fantasy" themes set in the modern world, e.g. Harry Potter or Twilight.
Q. Could this include miniatures from the Celtos range?
Q. Could this include Copplestone 15mm Barbarians?
Round 5 - The Ancient World
This includes everything from the dawn of civilization, such as Sumerians or Egyptians, to the Fall of Rome in the West and the beginning of the "Dark Ages". Note that this does NOT include either pre-history or ancient mythology - for example, Myceneans would be acceptable, whereas Argonauts or a gang of naughty Neanderthals would NOT be.
Q. Wargods of Olympus - Spartans and Mycenaeans acceptable? (Obviously NOT the Mythology figures, but "humans.")
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Q. Could this include miniatures from the Celtos range?
Q. Could this include Copplestone 15mm Barbarians?
Yes for both.
Q. Wargods of Olympus - Spartans and Mycenaeans acceptable? (Obviously NOT the Mythology figures, but "humans.")
Hmm..a bit too fantasy but let me talk to other LPL moderation guys. I'll get back to you.
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If it helps, I have happily mixed Wargods Mycenaeans in w/ my Foundry minis, and they don't look out of place at all. Different take on the look of the armour and weapons, but not all that far removed.
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are amazons acceptable for a round 5 entry
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Quick question about rule #12: Is it true that you can't ask anyone to vote for you at all? I have no problem with the rule regarding posting images elsewhere, but I'd like clarification on the asking people to vote rules. For example, could I post somewhere "I'm in the Lead Painter's League competition, here's a link, please go vote!"? Is that fine as long as I don't put a "for me" at the end?
Thanks
n
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Is it allowed to have 'enemies' in the picture as well? For example, I have my warrior badgers all formed up as a group, and off to the sides are the attacking lizards, would that be allowed? If so, what are the rules surrounding it? Or is it just the team and only the team?
Thanks
Joe
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Quick question about rule #12: Is it true that you can't ask anyone to vote for you at all? I have no problem with the rule regarding posting images elsewhere, but I'd like clarification on the asking people to vote rules. For example, could I post somewhere "I'm in the Lead Painter's League competition, here's a link, please go vote!"? Is that fine as long as I don't put a "for me" at the end?
Please don't get that wrong, we won't be searching through the internet and looking for rule violations, this one is more a reminder than rule. We think it's unsporting to drum all the relatives, friends and workmates to vote for oneself. LPL is a competition for active LAF member not for the rest of the world. But as usual at the end of the day it's your decision what to do.
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Is it allowed to have 'enemies' in the picture as well? For example, I have my warrior badgers all formed up as a group, and off to the sides are the attacking lizards, would that be allowed? If so, what are the rules surrounding it? Or is it just the team and only the team?
Sure, as long as the enemies aren't supposed to be a part of 5+ team it's allowed to depict them as well.
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Q. Wargods of Olympus - Spartans and Mycenaeans acceptable? (Obviously NOT the Mythology figures, but "humans.")
Malcolm, we're fine with it, feel free to use the Spartan or Mycenean human figures of the Wargods range. I don't know the ranges very good, obviously it wouldn't be allowed for any kind of wizards or such but I think you're speaking about warriors.
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are amazons acceptable for a round 5 entry
Without wanting to start a discussion like "Did the Amazons exist?", I say they're not acceptable as long as you're talking about the mythological version of them. Of course it would be allowed to use e.g. the Scythian female archers from Foundry. In any case feel free to contact us before you're going to paint anything amazon-like for the round, just to avoid any misundertandings.
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Different than originally planned we have cut the second teams out of the bonus rounds, just to lower the stress level and to avoid the problem of necessity for show a lot of figures on a single shot. The example has been written before this alteration in the rules. I agree, it's better to simplify the examples. Already done.
Good call.
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Hello,
I need clarity on the deadlines please.
Pictures of the first three teams by 17th of March, understood.
But what are the deadlines for the other 7 teams?
When I like to get maximum bonus points it would be best to paint up another 7 teams. What is then the deadline to send in the pictures for these?
Thanks in advance.
Dr. Moebius
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Hello,
I need clarity on the deadlines please.
Pictures of the first three teams by 17th of March, understood.
But what are the deadlines for the other 7 teams?
When I like to get maximum bonus points it would be best to paint up another 7 teams. What is then the deadline to send in the pictures for these?
Thanks in advance.
Dr. Moebius
Its all written here:
15. Timings, Registration and Deadlines
The first round of the eight season will start on Sunday 23rd March, 2014.
Entries to any round must be received by 12.00 GMT on the Saturday before the next round opens on Sunday / Monday.
Which means that you have to get your first three entries in at lpl@leadadventureforum.com until 12.00 GMT on Saturday 22nd March.
The deadlines for Season Eight will be as follows:
Round 1 - Saturday 22nd March
Round 2 - Saturday 22nd March
Round 3 - Saturday 22nd March
Round 4 - Saturday 12th April
Round 5 - Saturday 19th April
Round 6 - Saturday 26th April
Round 7 - Saturday 3rd May
Round 8 - Saturday 10th May
Round 9 - Saturday 17th May
Round 10 - Saturday 24th May
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lol
Yes it is. I´ve seen it some seconds later after my post.
Hopefully I´m better in painting miniatures than in reading rules and understanding them.
I´m getting older...
Cheers
Dr. Moebius
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Malcolm, we're fine with it, feel free to use the Spartan or Mycenean human figures of the Wargods range. I don't know the ranges very good, obviously it wouldn't be allowed for any kind of wizards or such but I think you're speaking about warriors.
Clear. Thanks. :)
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Please don't get that wrong, we won't be searching through the internet and looking for rule violations, this one is more a reminder than rule. We think it's unsporting to drum all the relatives, friends and workmates to vote for oneself. LPL is a competition for active LAF member not for the rest of the world. But as usual at the end of the day it's your decision what to do.
If I can get myself organised I would like to try my hand at the LPL this year. As with most gaming stuff I do I'd mention it on my blog, which I'd hope was OK. Having not painted for a decade and seeing the standard on here, I'm not expecting to win even if I did get everyone I know to vote for me (which I won't). However, the whole thing is too exciting to keep under my hat, and even if I tried someone would be bound to mention it. And anyway, this seems like the perfect opportunity to advertise the LAF to anyone who doesn't already know about it :)
So as with the previous poster, I suppose I'm really just asking for clarification on what is OK to post? Is "it's your decision" the whole ruling?
Apologies for picking at nits, but I'd rather ask in advance so I can get it right rather than have an argument about it afterwards.
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@Q.... I certainly understand your desire to "share" your figuress on your blog. However the standard policy is to not post them up until after they have finished competing for the week so you can put up your round one photos at the beginning of round two once round one has finished voting. That way there is less likelyhood of shinanagines.
You can certainly talk about the LPL on your blog whenever you'd like it's just the pictures of the actual competing teams that are in question here.
I hope that makes sense! :)
Blue
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@Q.... I certainly understand your desire to "share" your figuress on your blog. However the standard policy is to not post them up until after they have finished competing for the week so you can put up your round one photos at the beginning of round two once round one has finished voting. That way there is less likelyhood of shinanagines.
You can certainly talk about the LPL on your blog whenever you'd like it's just the pictures of the actual competing teams that are in question here.
I hope that makes sense! :)
Blue
Sorry, I wasn't talking about putting up pictures. I understand and agree entirely with the "no pics while that week's contest is live" rule. Not a problem at all. I was thinking more of something about the contest in general and a link to the rounds. I'd save any "making of" stuff for afterwards. Sounds like that would be OK :)
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Sorry, I wasn't talking about putting up pictures. I understand and agree entirely with the "no pics while that week's contest is live" rule. Not a problem at all. I was thinking more of something about the contest in general and a link to the rounds. I'd save any "making of" stuff for afterwards. Sounds like that would be OK :)
Yes, linking to the rounds would be OK. Asking for votes would be not OK.
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IIRC, I’ve once sold painted figures which were, in part at least, competing in the LPL. I didn’t post pictures of the figures for sale and, instead, ask interested parties to ask for pictures via emails. With each rounds running for a week only, it’s easy to wait and post pictures later if you’re not in a rush to show them to the world…
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Yes, linking to the rounds would be OK. Asking for votes would be not OK.
Thanks
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A question about:
It is FORBIDDEN to provide additional close ups.
Is it forbidden also to provide front and back shots? The reason I ask is that sometimes there is detail on the back that isn't visible from a single angle. Or if it's a unit base, sometimes there's detail from a top angle as opposed to a side angle. Or should I just pist the best angle for all of the figures and compose the single shot?
Here's an example, that's the same figure from two angles:
(http://www.hourofwolves.org/images/armies/vikings/5_spearmen.jpg)
Thanks
n
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I like the Choice of Bonus rounds and the lower number of figures required. Count me in this time. May be I can steal the big fishes some votes! :D
Nelderoth: I am pretty sure it is forbidden. But you can left the backs unpainted if in a hurry this way...
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Is it forbidden also to provide front and back shots? The reason I ask is that sometimes there is detail on the back that isn't visible from a single angle. Or if it's a unit base, sometimes there's detail from a top angle as opposed to a side angle. Or should I just pist the best angle for all of the figures and compose the single shot?
It's forbidden to provide more than one shot. Just try to find the best angle for the single shot.
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May be I can steal the big fishes some votes! :D
Said a big fish :)
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...It is FORBIDDEN to provide additional close ups.
Is it forbidden also to provide front and back shots?
The "only one image" rule - surely others have spotted too the huge assistance this gives to slow painters like myself?
No?
Then I'll tell you...
You only need paint half of the figure. The front half that will show in the photo. The back you can leave bare metal and paint later when the pressure is off. ;)
lol lol lol
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You only need paint half of the figure. The front half that will show in the photo. The back you can leave bare metal and paint later when the pressure is off. ;)
lol lol lol
Great idea Malcolm, d'ya think they will notice over on Ebay ;)
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The "only one image" rule - surely others have spotted too the huge assistance this gives to slow painters like myself?
No?
Then I'll tell you...
You only need paint half of the figure. The front half that will show in the photo. The back you can leave bare metal and paint later when the pressure is off. ;)
lol lol lol
Haha, easier to paint it all I think than to line it up perfectly before hand to figure out exactly which parts to paint and which to leave blank!
Seriously though, kudos to those who actually do only paint half the figure :)
n.
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Hey, the first rule of half-painters' league! >:(
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Okay, I'll join in the "photo-angle" conversation too ;D - can we show some figures' fronts and some backs in the same shot, since there's only one photo allowed? Not sure if Prof's "just pick the best angle" clarification already answers that or if it means pick the angle that best suits most figures (and is the same angle)??
Another question - figures being from the same "side" seems to indicate also the same "race". For example, if I paint Flintloque figures, can I have dogmen with dwarves in a "team" for example, since my figures are not from different regions like Ostaria or Finklestein etc. but rather all from the Free State of Schnoselburg? (Yes, I am aware that I did invent this region of Valon myself ;)) Ie, they're on the same "side", they're just not the same race ...
Finally, and I think Blue may have already answered this, but I wanted to check anyway - we can post pictures once the week of voting is over for the competing minis BUT presumably, you can't resubmit a team for a later round if you've posted pictures somewhere, right?
Thanks!
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You can show whichever side of your figures you like within the single image of the team.
Same side doesn't necessarily mean the same race. The Fellowship of the Ring, for instance.
Interesting third point. Think the Prof will need to rule on that one.
:)
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Haha, easier to paint it all I think than to line it up perfectly before hand to figure out exactly which parts to paint and which to leave blank!
Seriously though, kudos to those who actually do only paint half the figure :)
n.
bit off-topic, but I have to admit that I once managed something looking this in the LPL... though not by choice. Being happy with the result of a night of painting I took out a can of varnish, or so I thought.... Next thing I knew, the backside of the models had a nice new primer coat... Still, from the front you wouldn't say that the models only have a partial paintjob :D
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You can show whichever side of your figures you like within the single image of the team.
Same side doesn't necessarily mean the same race. The Fellowship of the Ring, for instance.
Interesting third point. Think the Prof will need to rule on that one.
:)
Thanks Captain Blood! :)
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Seriously though...
The "single" photo rule.
So simple.
You paint your figures.
You group them together.
You take one photo of the group.
You crop that photo to 800 x 800 or less, no more.
Another example from a previous LPL. (Hope it helps.)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v509/orctrader/Grymn.jpg)
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Finally, and I think Blue may have already answered this, but I wanted to check anyway - we can post pictures once the week of voting is over for the competing minis BUT presumably, you can't resubmit a team for a later round if you've posted pictures somewhere, right?
Earlier seasons I think show runners have been OK with details pics and re-posts being done after the first week, even if you submit an entry for subsequent rounds. Not *entirely* consequent but I personally would have no problem with it.
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Seriously though...
The "single" photo rule.
So simple.
You paint your figures.
You group them together.
You take one photo of the group.
You crop that photo to 800 x 800 or less, no more.
Another example from a previous LPL. (Hope it helps.)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v509/orctrader/Grymn.jpg)
Excellent example!
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Thanks, gents, that does help! :)
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Okay, I'll join in the "photo-angle" conversation too ;D - can we show some figures' fronts and some backs in the same shot, since there's only one photo allowed? Not sure if Prof's "just pick the best angle" clarification already answers that or if it means pick the angle that best suits most figures (and is the same angle)??
You may not show fronts and backs in the same shot. It's only one photo allowed, with only one view, within one angle.
Another question - figures being from the same "side" seems to indicate also the same "race". For example, if I paint Flintloque figures, can I have dogmen with dwarves in a "team" for example, since my figures are not from different regions like Ostaria or Finklestein etc. but rather all from the Free State of Schnoselburg? (Yes, I am aware that I did invent this region of Valon myself ;)) Ie, they're on the same "side", they're just not the same race ...
the rules:
The figures must form a convincing team by following a common theme AND being "on the same side" within the theme
We don't speak of the same race but of necessity of having a convincing team. As long as a team provides members of different races and the whole is linked to a valid background (LotR, D&D,SoBH etc.), it wouldn't be an issue.
Finally, and I think Blue may have already answered this, but I wanted to check anyway - we can post pictures once the week of voting is over for the competing minis BUT presumably, you can't resubmit a team for a later round if you've posted pictures somewhere, right?
Tricky one. Strictly speaking you may not post pictures anywhere as long as the team is playing. Though the rule was primarily intended for the case of having a new team. Re-posting of a team is usually a bad idea because the voters tend to vote for the new one. Apart from that we've already had lots of old teams which have been painted ages ago by the participants and these had been posted on the blogs etc . in the most cases. Being the moderator of the league I wouldn't much care about older pics but being a participant I personally wouldn't post any additional pics of the team somewhere as long as I think about further use of the team in the currently running league.
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I'm surprised nobody has come up with the obvious answer: if you want to show the backs of models as well as their fronts then just build a few mirrors into your scenery. One picture, multiple angles.
And yes, it really is all done with mirrors...
;)
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Very clever, indeed :)
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Round 10 - The War to end all Wars
This year being the 100th anniversary of the outbreak of the first World War, the final round follows this topic. You may choose any period and theatre during the war, any setting, any scale.
- Paint a WW1-themed team of at least 5 figures and receive an extra 10 points.
- Paint a WW1-themed team (5+ figures) AND a "big thing", such as a Big Bertha, a MkIV or a St. Chamond tank, and receive an extra 15 points.
I fear that a "normal" artillery piece like this
(http://www.renegademiniatures.com/ww1/images/wwib14.jpg)
would not qualify as a "big thing", or would it ?
Would a plastic model WWI airplane kit qualify ?
(http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Revell-Sopwith-F1-Camel-1-48-/00/s/MTIwMFgxNjAw/z/DVIAAOxygPtSyWhb/$_12.JPG)
It's not my period, and I'm looking for a cheapish way to try to get full bonus points...
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Yes, the aeroplane is definitely a First World War big thing :)
Not sure a regular sized artillery piece really qualifies as a big thing though. The Prof will need to call that one.
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Yes for plane and no for a "normal" artillery piece like this.
HLBS Big Bertha would count as a big thing though.
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Yes for plane and no for a "normal" artillery piece like this.
Thanks for the swift clarification
HLBS Big Bertha would count as a big thing though.
£26 + shipping for a one time use is a tad steep - I'll go for the Revell kit, I should be able to get on locally for maybe 10-15€.
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In Round One is it acceptable to use Warhammer 40k models as 'Fantasy' ?
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In Round One is it acceptable to use Warhammer 40k models as 'Fantasy' ?
No, it's not acceptable.
Anything that is demonstrably "classic fantasy", including, but not limited to, the Hyborian Age, Dungeons and Dragons, Tolkien, Warhammer etc.
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Q. Round 1 Fantasy.
Demonworld OK?
Such as:
(http://www.orctrader.co.uk/Images/15mm/BaW800.jpg)
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Must the bases be visible? I mean I hate it to show bases in a photo.. I mostly cover them with flock. IMO the atmosphere is way better when you don't see the little guys are glued on a piece of plastic..
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Q. Round 1 Fantasy.
Demonworld OK?
Yes, sure.
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Must the bases be visible? I mean I hate it to show bases in a photo.. I mostly cover them with flock. IMO the atmosphere is way better when you don't see the little guys are glued on a piece of plastic..
Excerpt fromt he rules:
All figures must be mounted on finished bases, which may be textured, painted (with a pattern or in a solid, finished single colour) or consist of clear plastic (such as "flying" bases or clear acrylic/perspex shapes).
We prefer to see the bases on the photo, at least a part of them, just to be sure the figures are finished. But strictly speaking and according to the rules it's not required. Of course it's forbidden to make any sort of digital manipulation to cover the bases.
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Just to be sure: would an Epic Ork Mega Gargant be considered a 'big thing'?
(http://dismember.free.fr/epic_force/orks/badmoon_mega_gargant_front.jpg)
Measurements are 7 cm from head to 'toe' and 10 cm from the highest point. Width is about the same, with the body being a tad smaller than 7 cm, and the arms somewhat wider than 10 cm.
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Seeing as it doesn't fit the WW1 theme, the point is rather moot. :)
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In Round One is it acceptable to use Warhammer 40k models as 'Fantasy' ?
As the Prof. said it´s not, how about Warmachine? Too steampunky?
I mean, there´s magic, elves, goblins, dragon, undead and what not.
Or does fantasy actually mean "Sword &Sorcery"?
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Seeing as it doesn't fit the WW1 theme, the point is rather moot. :)
That :)
As the Prof. said it´s not, how about Warmachine? Too steampunky?
I mean, there´s magic, elves, goblins, dragon, undead and what not.
Or does fantasy actually mean "Sword &Sorcery"?
Warmachine or Hordes? Hordes is their fantasy game, I think? Some of them would go for sure, the best is to contact me via PM oder email with the link or pic and we will sort it out.
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Sorry, obviously was busy doing too many things at once :-X
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Warmachine or Hordes? Hordes is their fantasy game, I think?
Well, they both take place in the same Iron Kingdoms setting. WM just represents the steamy side and Hordes the primitive side of the world. There are trolls, wolf riders, archers and similarly generic stuff, but also some quite distinctly IK-specific models which don't necessarily count as "classic" fantasy. Anyway, I've entered Hordes minis to a Conan round so it's simply up to selection. :)
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Just a quick thought, and it might be answered already; Can I do a collection of odd things that fit together within a common theme, and not specifically belong in a group? For example, Dungeon Denizen consisting of an Owlbear, a beholder etc?
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Yes you can, provided they make a sensible allied group - like, for example, a wizard, a ranger, and elf, a dwarf and a hobbit.
:)
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Or a Dane, a Norwegian and Bellman... ;)
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Yes you can, provided they make a sensible allied group - like, for example, a wizard, a ranger, and elf, a dwarf and a hobbit.
:)
Thought so :) Cheers!
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You could go with the classic......an Englishman, an Irishman and a Scotsman!
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You could go with the classic......an Englishman, an Irishman and a Scotsman!
Now where is Torchwood?
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I just read the rules for LPL as they stand now and find some very interesting changes from the times past when I submitted some humble entries, season 3-4? I think.... I had discussed the fact that I thought many of the complicated "presentations" that while nice, clever, and well done were both not what the minis should be judged on as well as making it harder to compete for those with painting skills but lacking computer drawing skills or even the time to do the layout. I like the fact that now the main focus is on the "mini's"! Well done! :)
I like the “no manipulation” rules also for the same reasons. I work in the film business and if one “saw” the way “some” actresses looked before, make up, hair, lighting, camera filters, and such you would be sadly disappointed….. :o
I do disagree with the "one picture, one angle rule" no close ups inserted, etcetera, rule.... Why is this? (if Prof you don't mind answering)If a entry is allowed only so much space / pixels and you want to show more of the work that went into painting the miniatures then you have that space to work with and to show the front and back you sacrifice size to get that and its all fair / balanced. By limiting the angles you artificially give an edge to some figures due to the way they are sculpted. EXAMPLE: a figure that has a cape painted with great depth and shading but the same figure carries a beautifully painted shield, you cant show them both. In a real world painting contest judge are not limited to one viewing angle, nor are they forced to view a miniature at one fixed distance. I routinely see miniatures that look quite the same a one distance but vary that distance and they become quite different. I want to see a overall view as well as a closeup of the "jewels" in the crown or the woodwork on the stock of their weapons! :'(
I pulled two examples from my LPL3 entry file, the Samurai are 15mm and clearly shows the disadvantage one is put in when trying to compete with a larger scale "IF" you were not allowed to do closeup inserts. Now I realize that someone is going to say "well only show 5 of them bigger", great idea but it takes away from the impressiveness of the group as well as lessens the viewers appreciation of the amount of work you did on the entry, as in 5 x 15mm are easier to paint than 5 x 28mm "so I'll vote for the guy who did more work"
(http://www.historicalhobbies.com/DOGS/main/images/LPL3/Samurai8.jpg)
(http://www.historicalhobbies.com/DOGS/main/images/LPL3/JapaneseCav1.jpg)
I hope to enter this year but will see, I mostly paint according to my ongoing wargaming interest so changing up for the “bonus” rounds is a bit of a challenge but also refreshing….. I don’t do “Fantasy”, Sci Fi” yes, but goblins and wizards, no not in 25 years! I’m at a loss as to what to do for the first round? I may have to dig very deep into the lead pile…… ;D
Well as the recognized “squeaky wheel” on LAF and in the world of miniature painting that’s my “two cents” tossed in… >:D
Anyway I look forward to seeing all the great entries about to grace these pages! Good luck to all! Now sharpen your brushes!..... lol
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All figures must be mounted on finished bases, which may be textured, painted (with a pattern or in a solid, finished single colour) or consist of clear plastic (such as "flying" bases or clear acrylic/perspex shapes).
Okay, if the figures have a molded base cast on to them, will I need to extend the base? I have some Bones figures for Round 1 that have a dungeon stonework base molded on them, and they are just the right size for later use.
Obviously, I am painting the bases and adding some detailing to make them more interesting, but I'd like to not have to cut the figures from perfectly good bases and then re-base them if I can avoid it.
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Okay, if the figures have a molded base cast on to them, will I need to extend the base? I have some Bones figures for Round 1 that have a dungeon stonework base molded on them, and they are just the right size for later use.
Obviously, I am painting the bases and adding some detailing to make them more interesting, but I'd like to not have to cut the figures from perfectly good bases and then re-base them if I can avoid it.
You don't need to re-base them, we only want to see painted bases. So having molded painted bases will be fine.
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You don't need to re-base them, we only want to see painted bases. So having molded painted bases will be fine.
What about plain black bases - for my RPG miniatures I normally don't use flock or other basing elements.
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What about plain black bases - for my RPG miniatures I normally don't use flock or other basing elements.
All figures must be mounted on finished bases, which may be textured, painted (with a pattern or in a solid, finished single colour) or consist of clear plastic (such as "flying" bases or clear acrylic/perspex shapes).
Sounds like it fits the rules.
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Prof. a quick question: would the LAM Landsknechte fit for the first bonus round "The Realms of Fantasy". (just tinkering with my painting list :D)
Cheers,
Za
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Prof. a quick question: would the LAM Landsknechte fit for the first bonus round "The Realms of Fantasy"
Not really. They are actually quite historically correct. Maybe sometimes a bit caricatural but not really a "Realm of Fantasy"
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fair enough, there is more other stuff in the lead pile lol
Cheers,
Za
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I wonder, Professor (or Overlord or Captain Bloo if this is in your jurisdiction), if you can offer some clarification on this question.
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4. Teams
A "team" consists of 5 or more fully-painted miniatures.
A "new team" is a set of painted figures photos of which have NOT previously been published ANYWHERE on the Internet (this only applies to the painted state, of course)...
By '... the painted state' do you mean '... the fully painted state', or do you mean '... any partly painted state', or do you mean something in-between? The implication to me is that 'the painted state' would mean 'the finished state in which you submitted them to the competition' but I've fallen foul of this before. I often post WIP shots on my blog and apparently this has been enough in the past to disqualify a team from counting as 'new'. Is a team that has been shown before in partly-painted state 'painted'? Is a team that has been undercoated 'painted'?
Honestly, I'm not trying to pull a fast one. I'm just looking for clarification on what the rules are intended to mean, because in the past what I have assumed they mean has turned out to be wide of the mark.
Thanks in advance.
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I wonder, Professor (or Overlord or Captain Bloo if this is in your jurisdiction), if you can offer some clarification on this question.
By '... the painted state' do you mean '... the fully painted state', or do you mean '... any partly painted state', or do you mean something in-between? The implication to me is that 'the painted state' would mean 'the finished state in which you submitted them to the competition' but I've fallen foul of this before. I often post WIP shots on my blog and apparently this has been enough in the past to disqualify a team from counting as 'new'. Is a team that has been shown before in partly-painted state 'painted'? Is a team that has been undercoated 'painted'?
Honestly, I'm not trying to pull a fast one. I'm just looking for clarification on what the rules are intended to mean, because in the past what I have assumed they mean has turned out to be wide of the mark.
Thanks in advance.
WIP photos on your blog are fine as long as we're talking about real WIP photos (painted state of let's say about 0-50%). Posting of full- or almost-painted figures with only unfinished bases and some unpainted straps or similar would logically count as "previously published". As usual, if unsure, common sense and your friendly LPL moderator will help for sure.
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WIP photos on your blog are fine as long as we're talking about real WIP photos (painted state of let's say about 0-50%). Posting of full- or almost-painted figures with only unfinished bases and some unpainted straps or similar would logically count as "previously published". As usual, if unsure, common sense and your friendly LPL moderator will help for sure.
OK, so if I had put something up saying 'here are the guys in their undercoat' that would be OK, but if I put up something where there really was only a small amount to do, that wouldn't be. That's pretty clear. I'll take the principle of percentage coverage in the final version* as being my guide and for anything I'm not sure of, I'll ask for specific guidance.
*obviously, undercoat is supposed to cover 100% of the mini. But if I understand you correctly, if I then paint over it, the photo of the undercoated minis wouldn't really count as being 'painted'.
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*obviously, undercoat is supposed to cover 100% of the mini. But if I understand you correctly, if I then paint over it, the photo of the undercoated minis wouldn't really count as being 'painted'.
Yes, correct, an undercoated mini wouldn't count as being painted.
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Good idea, Red Orc! I've been wondering how to put at least some photos on my blog without it going totally "dark" until that entry's round is over. I might snap a quickie WIP shot in the very early stages to show folks what I'm working on.
The idea comes too late, of course, for the 3 teams that are essentially done. But the next team sitting on my desk has all of one color on it, so I'm sure that wouldn't break the rules.
Mike Demana
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Would a group of different (or even typically opposed armatura) gladiators count as a team, in the sense of coming from the same ludus or gladiatorial familia? I think I can scratch together some spectator types but I'd rather do the gladiators since I have a more immediate use for them :)
I won't be buying any figures for this LPL other than a vehicle I've been wanting anyway for round 10, and the ancients is the only one I'm kind of limited on.
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Would a group of different (or even typically opposed armatura) gladiators count as a team, in the sense of coming from the same ludus or gladiatorial familia? I think I can scratch together some spectator types but I'd rather do the gladiators since I have a more immediate use for them :)
I won't be buying any figures for this LPL other than a vehicle I've been wanting anyway for round 10, and the ancients is the only one I'm kind of limited on.
Sure, they would count as team. We've got a lot of gladiators teams in the past.
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Good. I've got some miniatures I showed 7 or 8 years ago on Displaced (those were the days!): blurry pictures of basecoated figures that I'm finally really painting and basing now. That's okay no?
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That's okay.
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This might sound like a dumb question but is it ok to show my entry on my blog once voting for that entry has closed and the next round begins?
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This might sound like a dumb question but is it ok to show my entry on my blog once voting for that entry has closed and the next round begins?
Yes, it is okay.
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•In rounds 4 through 10, any new (i.e. unpublished, cf. 3 above) team will receive 10 points the first time it participates. Older, already published teams may also be submitted to participate, but will not receive this bonus.
So does this mean I can enter "un-new" teams that have previously been shown on the net ie blogs/forums it just means I will miss out on the 10 bonus points? Or is this not allowed?
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Yes, you can enter older, previously shown teams, but no, you won't get the 10 bonus points for a team which isn't newly painted (or at least previously unshown). The reason being, that the LPL is all about encouraging new painting rather than showing old stuff - hence the bonus points for 'new' teams.
But yes, if you need to enter 'old' work, that's within the rules - just no bonus.
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Ok good to know for a back-up plan.
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Will a staff car (repainted diecast) count has a “big thing” for the WWI entry? Alternatively, what kind of airplanes where available in the early days of WWI and is there models of these planes available in 1/72nd or 1/48th somewhere?
Cheers! 8)
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I quite fancied entering this, but discounted myself because most of my figures are fantasy or dark ages ie I have no ancients or WW1. However, I am now thinking that I have misread this. In a bonus round, I would receive extra points for meeting the bonus, but could still enter with a non-bonus subject, just miss out on the extra points?
For example, round 5 is ancients, if I entered some vampire counts I would not receive the bonus, or would I have to enter an ancient topic (leaving aside the argument that vampires are actually ancient beings ::) ).
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I quite fancied entering this, but discounted myself because most of my figures are fantasy or dark ages ie I have no ancients or WW1. However, I am now thinking that I have misread this. In a bonus round, I would receive extra points for meeting the bonus, but could still enter with a non-bonus subject, just miss out on the extra points?
For example, round 5 is ancients, if I entered some vampire counts I would not receive the bonus, or would I have to enter an ancient topic (leaving aside the argument that vampires are actually ancient beings ::) ).
You misread this, indeed, you don't have to enter bonus themes, the only difference is you would receive the extra points if you do.
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? Alternatively, what kind of airplanes where available in the early days of WWI and is there models of these planes available in 1/72nd or 1/48th somewhere?
Cheers! 8)
There's actually quite a large choice of WWI aircraft kits, both in 1/72 and 1/48. Personnaly I prefer 1/48 with 28 mm, although a tad on the large side, it's a far better match than 1/72. Ideally there should be 1/56 scale models
Revell has some 1/72 and 1/48 kits (in Europe the 1/48 Bristol F2B has been recently re-released, about 20 €). Roden also has a quite extensive line (the most complete that I know of) of kits in both scales, albeit more expensive than Revell : http://www.roden.eu/HTML/framemodels.htm.
Airfix has some 1/72 kits.
Early war planes - they're probably out there as a kit but might be harder to find. From 1916 onwards you should be able to find a suitable kit rather easlily. The following site gives a list of airplanes by nation and year: http://www.theaerodrome.com/aircraft/by_year.php
If you're content with late war, there are plenty of Sopwith Camels and Fokker DRI kits available. I think you're legally not allowed to start a model airplane company if you don't have those ;)
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I got a question about the team section:
Would it be allowed to have a box of Pandora setting: someone opens a box, and out of the box appear 4 cruelties/demons/ bad guys.. would that make a team?
Please answer yes! :D
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Aren't, traditionally, the demons antagonists to Pandora and humankind? Add one and you're home.
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What Hammers said, you'll need five of the daemons.
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Some seasons back, I think, a rule was changed so I would like clarification:
If a team has, say, 8 figures, 5 of which are "new" but the other three were from a previous round, will the "new" bonus be gained, or does inclusion of the other 3 figures disqualify the whole team from the "new" bonus?
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Some seasons back, I think, a rule was changed so I would like clarification:
If a team has, say, 8 figures, 5 of which are "new" but the other three were from a previous round, will the "new" bonus be gained, or does inclusion of the other 3 figures disqualify the whole team from the "new" bonus?
Tricky. The rules do say:
'A "team" consists of 5 or more fully-painted miniatures' and 'A "new team" is a set of painted figures photos of which have NOT previously been published ANYWHERE on the Internet'.
In other words, I think if your subject - the team, or set of figures - has 5, 6, 7 or 10 figures, then they should all be newly painted to earn the bonus points.
If you want to include other figures which may have been seen before, for purposes of 'set dressing' in the background, then that's okay.
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I always make sure my team is 5+ new figures. I haven't shown many entries that use old stuff (the rabbits fighting goblin and Orc samurai come to mind.) I never thought it was an issue since quite a few people have used previously shown figures with new ones and the 'new team' is usually pretty clear. I like Hammers' recurring ne'er-do-well and his dog. And the Professor's pigs have been seen rooting around in more than one photo :)
I suppose the grand spectacle of lots of figures (say, 10 previously shown figures plus five new ones) is just another thing that can influence voting. Quantity can be impressive ;)
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Some seasons back, I think, a rule was changed so I would like clarification:
If a team has, say, 8 figures, 5 of which are "new" but the other three were from a previous round, will the "new" bonus be gained, or does inclusion of the other 3 figures disqualify the whole team from the "new" bonus?
We always allowed entries using older figures as part of a story background or part of a team and also the current rules don't forbid them. So no disqualification because of using older stuff. The main point has always been to paint up at least five of the figures for another round not to limit your scenery imagination to this number as despite of some new restrictions LPL is still about making a good show.
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We always allowed entries using older figures as part of a story background or part of a team and also the current rules don't forbid them. So no disqualification because of using older stuff. The main point has always been to paint up at least five of the figures for another round not to limit your scenery imagination to this number as despite of some new restrictions LPL is still about making a good show.
Understood. Thanks. :)
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I like Hammers' recurring ne'er-do-well and his dog.
That is slander. He is not a ne'erdowell, he is just a slightly unpopular fellow who barges in on his way with his presumed irrelevant errands.
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Quick rules clarification. For round 6 I'm painting up some board game figures. I was planning on shooting pictures of them on the actual gameboard with some of the other 3D elements of the game that I'm also painting. But then I thought that might violate the photo backdrop rules. Is that the case? The simplest reading would say this is a rules violation, but I wanted to check to make sure.
I'm not trying to just shoehorn things in and be difficult. I was just thinking that it would be nice to see how the minis look against the backdrop of the board they would be used on.
Thanks!
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We've already allowed use of a gaming board in this competition so yes, that would be okay.
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just a quick question that came to my mind
if i enter a team in the lpl.... do all miniatures ahve to be newly painted and unreleased miniatures or would it be ok if the team consits of miniatures that i have painted but yet did not enter in any lpl ?
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?? I thought you asked this question a couple of days ago... Did you not get an answer?
You can enter miniatures previously shown on LAF or anywhere else as a team in the LPL. But they will not get bonus points for a 'new' (previously unpublished) team.
The LPL is designed to encourage new painting - not to provide a showcase for things which have already been shown before.
So the bonus points are designed to encourage people to enter newly painted teams.
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?? I thought you asked this question a couple of days ago... Did you not get an answer?
It was in the LPL 7 rules topic (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=51649.msg804158#msg804158), and it would be cruel to change its rules retroactively. lol
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?? I thought you asked this question a couple of days ago... Did you not get an answer?
You can enter miniatures previously shown on LAF or anywhere else as a team in the LPL. But they will not get bonus points for a 'new' (previously unpublished) team.
The LPL is designed to encourage new painting - not to provide a showcase for things which have already been shown before.
So the bonus points are designed to encourage people to enter newly painted teams.
thanks for the info :D
oh and another question....
as i understood it the first 3 teams have to be "new"
so all in all i have to submit a new team any round ?!?!?
so a total of 10 teams....but i can enter a team that consists of already published miniatures after round 3 ?
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thanks for the info :D
oh and another question....
as i understood it the first 3 teams have to be "new"
so all in all i have to submit a new team any round ?!?!?
so a total of 10 teams....but i can enter a team that consists of already published miniatures after round 3 ?
Yes, you can submit a team again in successive rounds- but it wouldn't get 'new team' points and if you care about voting and the competition aspect, each time an entry is shown again it tends to received fewer votes as people prefer to see new stuff (again working under the spirit of the event which is to paint new stuff and reduce the lead pile).
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Yes, you can submit a team again in successive rounds- but it wouldn't get 'new team' points and if you care about voting and the competition aspect, each time an entry is shown again it tends to received fewer votes as people prefer to see new stuff (again working under the spirit of the event which is to paint new stuff and reduce the lead pile).
yeah i totally understand that..( also entering the same team would be boring).
its just that 10 teams equals 50 miniatures..... and considering im not playing alot of different systems i guess it would be impossible to paint 50 new miniatures
and as i tend to publish new and finished minis on my blog there would be a lot to choose from to build a team....but n ot a unpublished team as some minis may have already been published before !
i tend to work on a miniature by miniature basis and dont paint in batches of 5 or more because it gets boring !
then again i have a TON of 40K orks i have not photographed yet......or that i could use to "fill up" my team slots in times of need ;)
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The LPL may not be for you then. There's a lot of totally badass painters on the LAF that don't do the LPL because of those very reasons.
Also, some people appear to paint for months or maybe even years ahead of the LPL and save stuff for the comp :)
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as i understood it the first 3 teams have to be "new"
Yes, the first three teams have to be new or at least never published on internet before.
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The LPL may not be for you then. There's a lot of totally badass painters on the LAF that don't do the LPL because of those very reasons.
Also, some people appear to paint for months or maybe even years ahead of the LPL and save stuff for the comp :)
still sounds like a fun competition....
i would not enter to win anyway :D
and finishing 3 new teams sounds managable :D
also painting a few months ahead....seems like cheating for me :D
oh and we need another LPC toppic then ;D :D ;)
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Prof,
I notice that some entrants specify that they have used shield transfers in the title of their entries.
As a LPL8 rule query - is this mandated by the rules? Does any use of transfers need to be declared in an entry? If not required it would appear to disadvantage honest entrants to admit to using transfers.
As a voter I don't think my vote is influenced much by this but I suppose if I liked 2 entries equally it may make a difference.
Paddy
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Prof,
I notice that some entrants specify that they have used shield transfers in the title of their entries.
As a LPL8 rule query - is this mandated by the rules? Does any use of transfers need to be declared in an entry? If not required it would appear to disadvantage honest entrants to admit to using transfers.
As a voter I don't think my vote is influenced much by this but I suppose if I liked 2 entries equally it may make a difference.
Paddy
It's not required but mentioning it is considered to be fair.
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So, life got in the way of a number of participants in LPL -- just as it usually does late in the league. I noticed a lot of folks just "re-run" a submission from previous rounds. I also noticed that the voters usually are prejudiced against repeats (not that I blame them -- I'm guilty of the same emotions). I was wondering, though...
Let's say you're a participant and you know you won't get a new team painted in time. The way I see it, you have several options. I'll list them in descending order of the amount of time it takes.
Option #1: Take previously painted/published/submitted miniatures and restage and photograph them. Obviously, you let Alex know they do NOT get the "new" bonus.
Option #2: Take a submission of yours from a previous LPL and submit that. Similarly, you let Alex know it is NOT a new team.
Option #3: Rerun a submission from the current league.
My question is option #2 "bad form," or ungentlemanly? Some of the voters will recognize the repeat from a previous year, of course, but each year we have new members to the forum who have not seen it. I doubt all new members go through and read all threads from previous LPLs. There are two benefits to #2. One, a percentage of the readers get a chance to enjoy a picture they may never have seen before. The other (and where I ask if it is "bad form"), is the voters may not slam you as hard for a repeat entry.
Note that I did submit all new leagues this year, but in Round 10 of last year I chose Option #1 (photographing and submitting figures I'd shown on my website before). Obviously, if you are swamped and too busy to do #1 or #2, then #3 may be your only option available.
Curious to hear the input of the participants and the powers that be on this question....
Mike Demana
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I guess it depends on the attitude of the person submitting.
Is the painter wanting to stay in the running to get as high as possible on the leaderboard? Probably option 2.
Is the painter trying to improve photo technique and composition? Thought they got low marks due to a blurred image? Option 1.
Just straight up out of time? Option 3.
I think submitting stuff from years ago could be bad form, but it's also kind of sad.Theoretically one should be improving. Believe it or not I've had students run out of time on final assignments in college courses and submit an artwork they did in high school. :?
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Let's say you're a participant and you know you won't get a new team painted in time. The way I see it, you have several options. I'll list them in descending order of the amount of time it takes.
Option #1: Take previously painted/published/submitted miniatures and restage and photograph them. Obviously, you let Alex know they do NOT get the "new" bonus.
Option #2: Take a submission of yours from a previous LPL and submit that. Similarly, you let Alex know it is NOT a new team.
Option #3: Rerun a submission from the current league.
This year when I ran out of time on a few entries, I exercised option #1. Thankfully my final round entry was brand new for the competition!
I think submitting stuff from years ago could be bad form, but it's also kind of sad.Theoretically one should be improving. Believe it or not I've had students run out of time on final assignments in college courses and submit an artwork they did in high school. :/
Funny you should mention this; recently I was looking at some of my older figs and realized that sadly I haven't really improved for a few years... like five years :`( Time for me to get to work and up my game I think!
Thanks
n.
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Funny you should mention this; recently I was looking at some of my older figs and realized that sadly I haven't really improved for a few years... like five years :`( Time for me to get to work and up my game I think!
Thanks
n.
At least one of my entries this year wasn't up to my usual standards and the voters knew it ;)
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Mike, this thread is about rules and the rules allow all of the three options. From my point of view it's surely not a "bad form" as we consider everything within the rules to be a "good form". Apart from that I would prefer an entry from previous leagues to the repeated posting of a current entry. LPL is still about having a good show.
Actually I've even thought about having a round with only such "oldies" at some point in one of the future leagues. Could be a funny round.
So, life got in the way of a number of participants in LPL -- just as it usually does late in the league. I noticed a lot of folks just "re-run" a submission from previous rounds. I also noticed that the voters usually are prejudiced against repeats (not that I blame them -- I'm guilty of the same emotions). I was wondering, though...
Let's say you're a participant and you know you won't get a new team painted in time. The way I see it, you have several options. I'll list them in descending order of the amount of time it takes.
Option #1: Take previously painted/published/submitted miniatures and restage and photograph them. Obviously, you let Alex know they do NOT get the "new" bonus.
Option #2: Take a submission of yours from a previous LPL and submit that. Similarly, you let Alex know it is NOT a new team.
Option #3: Rerun a submission from the current league.
My question is option #2 "bad form," or ungentlemanly? Some of the voters will recognize the repeat from a previous year, of course, but each year we have new members to the forum who have not seen it. I doubt all new members go through and read all threads from previous LPLs. There are two benefits to #2. One, a percentage of the readers get a chance to enjoy a picture they may never have seen before. The other (and where I ask if it is "bad form"), is the voters may not slam you as hard for a repeat entry.
Note that I did submit all new leagues this year, but in Round 10 of last year I chose Option #1 (photographing and submitting figures I'd shown on my website before). Obviously, if you are swamped and too busy to do #1 or #2, then #3 may be your only option available.
Curious to hear the input of the participants and the powers that be on this question....
Mike Demana
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Actually I've even thought about having a round with only such "oldies" at some point in one of the future leagues. Could be a funny round.
A great idea but how would newcomers be able to compete?
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I would prefer an entry from previous leagues to the repeated posting of a current entry. LPL is still about having a good show.
I hadn't thought of that...I was seeing things through the eyes of a participant, not observer. Good point!
Thanks....
Mike Demana