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Miniatures Adventure => Age of Myths, Gods and Empires => Topic started by: rumacara on September 24, 2013, 10:35:36 AM
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Hello Prof.Witchheimer
Very nice project indeed with lots of inspiration pics.
I´ve started a project of a roman street gang and here are two pictures of miniatures that might give you some ideas for the roman civilians
Cheers
Rumacara
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here his the other picture
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@Rumacara- I did miss your post till today, sorry! Very interesting choice of figures, a bit chunky and clumsy but in a good way. I think I like them. Who makes them?
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Hello
Sorry for not answering untill today.
Many of the miniatures are foundry veteran legionaires (cesarian range) unarmoured and many more are transformations i´ve made.
From wargames foundry to crusader miniatures and west wind productions, and of course lots of green stuff and head swap.
Here are some painted models.
If you need the specific models i´ve used i can tell the references.
I will have more transformed soon and i will post them.
Cheers
Rumacara
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new kid on the block
Sorry but i´ve placed two of the same images
Here are a few more.
These are for a project of a roman small patroll using what they have on "a night behind enemy lines".
The idea is that the romans are advacing on enemy territory and are sending patrols of veterans to investigate and cause trouble against their foes.
Cheers
Rumacara
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and the last for now
These are foundry and warlord plastic cesarian romans with games workshop and west wind pict heads plus sculped capes.
cheers
rumacara
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Ok
Lets see if this time i get it right.
On this picture from left to right front row are:
1 - sculped by me except head (games workshop)
2 and 4 transformed from plastic warlord legionaires, celtic bodies and green stuff (heads are from warlord plastic brittish infantry box)
3 - wargames foundry with gw head again
back row from left to right:
1 - west wind pict (yes some will do)
2 - crusader miniatures gladiator
3 - aventine miniatures spartacus range
4 - transformed from plastic warlord legionaires, celtic bodies and green stuff (heads are from warlord plastic brittish infantry box)
next 6 figures front row from left to right:
1 2 3 - foundry veteran legionaires (3 as a cape sculped) with plastic shields
back row from left to right:
1 - crusader miniatures gladiators range
2 - wargames foundry with plastic head from gripping beast
3 - foundry veteran legionaires
boss in front has a foundry base, head from west wind, cape and left arm sculped
gladiators right are:
1 - crusader miniatures
2 - wargames foundry
3 - wargames foundry veteran legionaire
4 - aventine miniatures spartacus range
I hope this list its usefull
Cheers
rumacara
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I've created a thread with your posts, it's a great conversion inspiration and worth to have an own place.
Thanks for the list with the miniatures, very useful, hope to see them all painted :)
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Hello Prof. Witchheimer
First thanks for creating this post.
Like you could see i´m not confortable with postings. My skill with a computer is not the best thing.
I hope you and everyone else on this forum can share their painted roman civilians with me and all.
I have some ideas to complete this post and as i´m going on i will post some pics and write some usefull tips.
Cheers all
Rumacara
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I have some ideas to complete this post and as i´m going on i will post some pics and write some usefull tips.
Good idea, looking forward to see and read more here!
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Ruma, this may be the first time this GW headsculpt has EVER looked good.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=63550.0;attach=14672;image)
Good work on all.
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Hello Prof.Witchheimer
Very nice project indeed with lots of inspiration pics.
I´ve started a project of a roman street gang and here are two pictures of miniatures that might give you some ideas for the roman civilians
Cheers
Rumacara
Do you have in mind to play with the Ganesha rules "Song of Shadows and Dust" ?
Because, you conversion will be perfect for the job o_o
i'm starting a similar project like you but based actually on the civilians side (see details here (http://chti-reanimator59.blogspot.fr/), using the translate button) . ;)
but i now produce some gangers too :
(http://imageshack.us/a/img208/8199/b6nc.jpg)
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Fascinating project. Would a Roman street gang really be uniformly fitted out with shields or even have any shields at all? I would think they'd be unwieldy in close quarters street fighting and attract quite a lot of attention.
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Hello all
Doowopapocalypse the games workshop head is a most and it has endless use. You can see other people using it in other miniatures and it also looks great. The only problem is with the scale. When you mix 30mm or even 32mm heads on smaller figures they tend to be bigger than the miniature itself. Thanks for your opinion. :)
Nervisfr, i´m sorry but i´ve never heard about the Ganesha rules "Song of Shadows and Dust" but this is a good tip. For the time being i´m just collecting, converting and hopefully painting the miniatures but as soon as i have enough miniatures i plan to search for some rules. Eric those gangers are very nice indeed. Does the first on is a crusader miniature?
Axabrax, you probably are right about the shields but i wanted the miniatures to be used in other projects.
Imagine the same miniatures for the following;
Roman street gang
Spartacus revolt
Roman warship armed crew
Roman bandits gang
Ancient pirates
and so many more things. If i could i would buy several and convert hundreds for al these themes but miniatures are expensive and i have to stick with some for all these ideas. :o
For all those of you that like this project there are some great news. Victrix miniatures are about to launch 2 new boxes of plastic greek light armed figures that are great to convert to this theme and others so keep a look at Victrix for those.
Cheers all
Rumacara
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Fascinating project. Would a Roman street gang really be uniformly fitted out with shields or even have any shields at all? I would think they'd be unwieldy in close quarters street fighting and attract quite a lot of attention.
Bearing of weapons within the city of Rome was strictly forbidden. The gangsters had to conceal their weapons under the clothes and they surely didn't care about having shields. But like rumacara said, of course it's possible to use the figures for various reasons scenarios outside of Rome.
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Bearing of weapons within the city of Rome was strictly forbidden. The gangsters had to conceal their weapons under the clothes and they surely didn't care about having shields. But like rumacara said, of course it's possible to use the figures for various reasons scenarios outside of Rome.
That fact is in the rules system in the ganesha games "Song of Shadows and dust". As civilians have a role to play in the game, they can raised against you if the use of weapons is detected..... ;D
take a look here :
http://www.ganeshagames.net/product_info.php?cPath=1_14&products_id=240 (http://www.ganeshagames.net/product_info.php?cPath=1_14&products_id=240)
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Nervisfr, i´m sorry but i´ve never heard about the Ganesha rules "Song of Shadows and Dust" but this is a good tip. For the time being i´m just collecting, converting and hopefully painting the miniatures but as soon as i have enough miniatures i plan to search for some rules. Eric those gangers are very nice indeed. Does the first on is a crusader miniature? [/quote}
The rule is for you ! Street fight, assassination, slave revolt, night watch and vigilantes, etc.....Fun to play and easy to learn. Play on 90x90 cms but needed some buildings to make the job !
http://irregularwars.blogspot.fr/2013/07/early-ssd-playtesting-sneek-peeks.html (http://irregularwars.blogspot.fr/2013/07/early-ssd-playtesting-sneek-peeks.html)
The 1st on left is a greek Artizan light troops (before they leaved us for Gorgon Miniatures). The second is a BTD saxon, the third is a Foundry with a Westwind pict head reconverted into ganger and the last is a Crusader Irish.
For all those of you that like this project there are some great news. Victrix miniatures are about to launch 2 new boxes of plastic greek light armed figures that are great to convert to this theme and others so keep a look at Victrix for those.
Rumacara
it's a great news for converters like you and me.....but i still have a mountain of lead to explore in my stock.... :'(
Eric
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Cool stuff,the Mordheim rules are good to.
saluti
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Hello all
Well, like the Professor told, weapons bearing was furbidden but in harbour zones probably they were easier to get.
About the shields there are always those used by the gladiators and probably some bodyguards but yes they are cumbersome in a street fight. I used to reenact the medieval period (although not the same thing) and fighting with sword and shield on a restricted area is a nightmare.
Eric thanks for the tips. I might get my hands on those rules. They seems to be very interesting.
Boys and girls, lets see your roman civilians both armed and unarmed so lets publish some photos and give some ideas for this is the theme of this post. like me and Eric please state what miniatures you are using on your paintings and conversions so that as many people can complete their ranges and search for proper miniatures.
Buildings ideas are also welcome since a proper game isnt so interesting without buildings.
Luidinuovo, thanks for remembering me and others about the Mordheim rules.
Cheers all
Rumacara
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Hello all
Here are some updates although not painted yet.
First 2 west wind pict figures mounted (for those that use them somewhere in the province and not a city).
You can always mount them without shields :D
Next 2 are Agema (first one with a foundry head and rock sculped)
The other 4 are all Black Tree Design with no convertion. Depending on what you plan to do you can always use "the locals" as civilians. It gives more variety
Cheers
Rumacara
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Damn i dont get it right
:'(
This should be the 1st pic on previous reply
Sorry :(
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excellent riders.
which is the references ?
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Hello all
Eric, the references are those pictured: ;D :o lol
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thank rumacara,
have you seen the irish ones ?
no pictures in the WWind catalogue. Are they exploited for gangers or ancient civilians
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Hello all
Nope, i dont know how are the irish.
Probably similar to the welsh i presume.
Lets hope they put some pictures on their page.
Cheers
Rumacara
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Superb stuff all round and very inspirational 8) 8) 8) 8)
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Hello DM
thanks for the compliment
Within 2 weeks i hope to have some painted to post.
Cheers
Rumacara
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Looking forward to seeing them painted and in action 8) 8) 8) 8)
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For those of you who were asking about the West Wind Irish:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v97/beckyfrads/Miniatures/DarkAgeIrish001.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v97/beckyfrads/Miniatures/DarkAgeIrish002.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v97/beckyfrads/Miniatures/DarkAgeIrish004.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v97/beckyfrads/Miniatures/DarkAgeIrish003.jpg)
Painted by Killshot Productions: :)
http://killshotproductions.blogspot.com.es/
Regards.
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Hello all
Rotorcraft many thanks for the west wind irish pictures.
Some of them will do for me. :o
They are very well painted.
:)
cheers
Rumacara
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That's really a mean looking gang and the figures are offering lots of useful options. I gues it's our LAF Killshot who has painted them? Top job as usual.
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That's really a mean looking gang and the figures are offering lots of useful options. I gues it's our LAF Killshot who has painted them? Top job as usual.
I suppose he is the same guy. I linked the pictures from his log in Warseer:
http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?83705-Killshot-Production-log&s=2034d6a0d764bc3907a9cff26a628e03&p=2479389&viewfull=1#post2479389
Regards.
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I suppose he is the same guy. I linked the pictures from his log in Warseer:
http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?83705-Killshot-Production-log&s=2034d6a0d764bc3907a9cff26a628e03&p=2479389&viewfull=1#post2479389
Regards.
Thanks for the pics of the irish. Great convertion potential..... ;D
Excellent paint job
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Great ideas. I am also a fan of the John Maddox Roberts books, in which street crime, brawls, and the like are encountered.
The sica, or curved blade had a reputation as a weapon of choice for criminals. Don't know if anyone makes the figures, but fantasy cloaked assassins might work.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sica
Armed legionaries were prohibited within the walls of Rome, but there were still Caesar's own Praetorian guards. Neighboring towns, such as Rome's bustling port of Ostia probably saw a lot of armed men coming and going.
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Great ideas. I am also a fan of the John Maddox Roberts books, in which street crime, brawls, and the like are encountered.
The sica, or curved blade had a reputation as a weapon of choice for criminals. Don't know if anyone makes the figures, but fantasy cloaked assassins might work.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sica
some guys from Gripping Beast (Ligurian range) that could be used with little convertion work as "sica" men in a street fight !
(http://www.grippingbeast.com/sizeimage.php?size=320&image=photos/LIG06.jpg)
Eric
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Old Glory Thracians might work for sica men. Anyway, they are carrying sica blades.
(http://www.oldglory25s.com/images/PPT001%20Infantry.jpg)
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As far as I understand, Sica is a sort of a large knife and not a big two-handed sword like this Rhomphaia. Also Sica hasn't been a two-handed weapon and I think it would be a bit difficult to hide a large weapon like this in the folds of the clothes.
Anyway, I think it shouldn't be too difficult to file down any sort of a sword or something like this to a Sica-shape.
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The sica is a sword but a Rhomphaïa (the thracian falx) can be shortened at the handle.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-1TTk7wVSTjM/ToJ21Dttw9I/AAAAAAAADoE/oevnyU4ynT4/s320/Sica1.jpg)
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Romans weren't known for clear-cut terminology for sure. :D
The sica was first and foremost a dagger or knife, possibly with a curved blade, the cutting edge on its inner side since it was made to "slice" (secare), a bit like a sickle (surprisingly from Latin secula, "small sica"). The very same term was then applied to Thracian/Dacian weapons which featured curved blades as well. Their largest specimen were called falces, in turn the Latin term for "sickles". And don't mention rhompaia/rumpia-type swords which were said to be used as spears as well… o_o
However, sicarii (as a legal term for murderers) would be literal "cutthroats", deemed to employ insidious slicing sica-weapons. Their name's not with a specific weapon in mind, though.
All in all, almost any dagger/shortsword-wielding figure would do for an assassin or murderous thug. Still one of my favourites of the specifically Roman kind is this gentleman killer in the upper right corner:
(http://www.wargamesfoundry.com/files/cache/7ad55c4b8a5331c2295ec514c98e13ac_f2225.png)
Or the same one in a more casual stance:
(http://www.wargamesfoundry.com/files/cache/bd51163c7a519994038d8dbc3e968b6b_f2229.png)
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Damn, 10 days ago at Tactica, I have been holding this Foundry blister with the Assassin guy in my hands and been thinking about buying it or not. My only concern has been that the figures are a bit on the small side. Now seeing it again I realize, I should have bought it, no matter the size, it's an amazing miniature as well as the rest of the pack.
Thanks for the hints, Doc, very useful as usual. I didn't know there is a term for murderers called sicarii. I like it, sounds mean and dangerous. Regarding the sica you're surely right in terms of lack of clear terminology and that any sort of knife would work. Though having a curved dagger on a figurine certainly gives to it a certain amount of authenticity, at least for the readers of Maddox' books :)
All that talk about murderers and blades makes me want to start some conversion work. It crosses just my mind, actually I've got a lot of Foundry gladiators armed with sica. They perhaps aren't a bad idea for conversions.
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Hello all
Some updates to my band and some law and order forces.
Cheers
Rumacara
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Stop all
News from Ostia.
Marcus Pullius a well known gang leader was finally caught after hard fight from the roman authorities :D :D
Unfortunately next day another ganger took its place lol lol
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and now the tent :?
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I've just noticed that Gripping Beast have a whole range of unarmoured legionaries. You would have to replace the heads (as they all have helmets) and probably cut off the sword scabbards, but it seems like there are a lot of potential gang members / citizens available there. http://www.grippingbeast.com/shop.php?CatID=50 (http://www.grippingbeast.com/shop.php?CatID=50)
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I've just noticed that Gripping Beast have a whole range of unarmoured legionaries. You would have to replace the heads (as they all have helmets) and probably cut off the sword scabbards, but it seems like there are a lot of potential gang members / citizens available there. http://www.grippingbeast.com/shop.php?CatID=50 (http://www.grippingbeast.com/shop.php?CatID=50)
Exact but the poses are not very dynamic.
See in the gladiators range too
http://www.grippingbeast.com/shop.php?CatID=52 (http://www.grippingbeast.com/shop.php?CatID=52)
and in the pictish range, the hunters (cut off the Xbow and then you have bad guys ready to ambush an innocent victim !
(http://www.grippingbeast.com/photos/pct13.jpg)
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Ah, those picts look like the perfect candidates for laying in wait in a dark alleyway with their sicas at the ready! of course with those beards they'd have to be scruffy hired foreigners and not proper citizens. ;)
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Hello all
Lots of good ideas.
Aaron, thanks for the tips on the legionaires. I have some wargames foundry legionaires in tunic that i´m using for the time being, and so far are enough for the project (unless i fall in the caldron) lol lol
Eric, i´m using the picts from west wind because they have separate heads and are easy to convert although i have to admit that those from gripping beast are great.
I have some from wargames foundry that might work.
I have to find them and if i find anyone suitable i will post them to give ideas.
Cheers
Rumacara
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Hello all
Time for a update to this project
Here are (so far) my gang members
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And here are my law and order figures
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Well done, Rumacara, great bunch of individuals with character. What next?
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Great,like it.
saluti
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Hello all
Luidinuovo and Prof. Witchheimer thanks for the comments.
Next are still some figures to paint both for the gangers and the roman army, some posted in Eric excelent post In the Streets of Rome.
Some civilians are on the pipeline and also scenery (houses, villa, a roman half built fort/frontier post and some wagons).
Then who knows were the lead madness will take me... lol
Probably medieval or conquistadores band. ;)
Cheers
Rumacara
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Excellent work. Your figurines a very originals and look impressive.
Keep going on this subject we loved it :-*
hope the topic could motive you for the work to come ....just like me. lol
Eric
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Hello all
It does Eric. :)
The only thing that its worring me are the buildings. :(
I wanted to make a few but by doing them i want them to serve to other periods for a space reason and money of course. That wil be my troy horse on this project.
Ideas are most welcome on this. :D
I also have the rules you have mentioned but it will take a while before i can convince someone to play with me.
Cheers
Rumacara
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i build my buiding for the Ancient Era, even medieval if possible) not only roman use.
I'll use them too for mine spanish napoleonics scenarii.....
just chek here on my blog to see some little usefull things (use the traduction button )....
http://chti-reanimator59.blogspot.fr/2013/12/rome-ne-sest-pas-faite-en-un-jour.html (http://chti-reanimator59.blogspot.fr/2013/12/rome-ne-sest-pas-faite-en-un-jour.html)
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Hello Eric
Je parle français aussi.
So the translator isn´t needed.
Nice houses. I have to see them with more carefull, but they re already giving me ideas.
Many thanks
Au revoir
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Hello all
More gangers finished plus an unarmed figure.
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Hello all
Reinforcements coming soon for both sides.
Cheers
Rumacara
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Hello all
More gangers finished plus an unarmed figure.
I don't recognize this unarmed figure. A conversion, I assume? Looks good.
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Hello Professor
Miniature from Gorgon Studios.
They have a few characters sold individually.
Cheers
Rumacara
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Now I get it, he's Gorgon's Claudius, isn't he? Thanks!
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Hello all
Reinforcements coming soon for both sides.
Cheers
Rumacara
i see that you convert BTD auxiliary into bareheaded legionnary. ;)
looks good ! conversion can only by small change like a head and some paint....
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Hello all
Yes Professor that one. The centurion is also a very nice figure.
Eric, the conversion also included a little scrap of mail shirt and gluing a cesarian roman shield.
One head is GW (cut from a imperial gunner) and the other west wind.
I´m thinking in doing a few more from these nice BTD auxilia especially after seing yours. o_o :)
Cheers
Rumacara
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Hello all
Reinforcements coming soon for both sides.
Cheers
Rumacara
that fun but i think that in the last pic , the second from left has the head of Solonius !
(http://www.flamesofwar.com/Portals/0/all_images/GF9/Spartacus/GamePlay/Houses/Spartacus_House_Solonius_01.jpg)
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nah
its not :D
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Hello all
After some rest, finally some updates to my roman gangs.
Some revolting mob or gang members and some gladiators for bodyguards.
Finally, some extensive conversions of legionaires or again armed gangers.
These where converted from a viking berserker from foundry and a african tribesmen again from foundry.
Plastic arms are from warlord cesarian romans.
Cheers
Rui
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Excellent Rui,
welcome back at Rome !
Eric
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Nice conversions! I like the darkest Africa figure!
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Hello all
Thanks Eric.
It took some time but yes i´m back.
With the adition of Mark and hopefully Simon, the roman street gangs are florishing. :D
Lets see if there is more people with great ideas as those so far. ;)
Mark, many thanks. The conversion its an easy one if we have the materials and of course the patience to sculp the tunic. More will come soon for i have 3 or 4 more legionaires/gangers to use green stuff in the pipeline.
Cheers
Rui
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Yes. I talked with Simon quite a bit at Salute about his ideas. My next plan is together some of the Najewitz Modellbrau buildings to complement my scratch builds. I've also got 40 odd Aventine figures and Foundry ones on the go ready for a campaign day at my club.
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Excelent news Mark
keep us informed for you have a big advance from us and your advices are more than welcome
Cheers
Rui
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Hello all
Another update today.
Here is another legionaire/ganger sculped/transformed again from a darkest africa tribesmen and again a plastic arm from warlord cesarian romans.
Also a pic of the 3 together.
Opinions wanted please.
Should i sculp a scabard or leave just like that?
If i sculp a scabard they look too militaire, if i dont they are more versatile (legionaires, gang members or even more sailors).
Cheers
Rui
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They look really good. I'd go without a scabbard?
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if you give scabbard, i think you'll lost the "civilian" look too much ;)
For the next you'll convert, give them some knife or dagger instead of sword or gladius. ;D
Excellent job with the milliput.
Eric
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Hello all
Many thanks for the opinions.
No scabbards on the miniatures then. :)
Eric, 2 are on the way with wood clubs and knifes. :D
I will post them as soon as they are ready.
Cheers
Rui
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Actually, scabbards could make sense, too, for example if they'd have been bearing the swords for some time, and hadn't simply picked them up in a rush to fight.
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Hello all
WuZhuiQiu you have a point on that.
The big question is that i would like to use the same miniatures for several options (gang members, legionaires, ships crew, etc).
I think i will choose without scabbards because even if i use them as legionaires i can make them as they where surprised on their sleep and got what they had in hand to fight.
For the rest they are just perfect.
Cheers
Rui
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hey,
To make everyone agree, put a scabbard in the free hand of the swordman, just like he was awaked and drawn his sword in emergency..... ;)
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Hello all
The problem with the scabbards is solved.
No scabbards at all.
Some updates on transformed miniatures.
Again the base figures are darkest africa tribesmen.
I´m begining to like those figures. Very practical. o_o
The one with the torch is dedicated to Mark (i also like to burn things). :D
The one with the wood club and knife is dedicated to Eric (no, not gladius) :D
Hope everyone likes.
Cheers
Rui
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Wow, those are excellent Rui :-*
Wonderful work with the Green Stuff.
The new Victrix Republican Roman Velites should provide you with lots of new conversion potential for your Roman street gangs :)
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Excellent stuff my friend :)
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These are excellent. I turned my Darkest Africa natives into Sudanese mercenaries for my El Cid era games though...
I like the flaming torch idea. You just need Crassus's fire brigade of slaves to put the flames out now!
Keep it up!
Mark
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Hello all
Many thanks for the kind words and encoragement from all of you.
Captain Blood, its a pleasure and an honour to have your coments as well as you Nick.
It means a lot to me from both of you. ;)
As for you Mark, if it wasnt for your ideas for saga i wouldnt have started this project so you are the man behind all this comotion about roman gangs. :)
Simon, we are waiting for you mate.
Eric, you are not forgotten. You are always pushing me to go forward with my project my friend. :)
Thanks all for your support.
Damn, a moment of weakness. :'(
I´ll be back...
Soon
Cheers
Rui
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These are great, Rui, I wish I could work with green stuff that well. Well done!
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Hello all
Many thanks Professor. :)
I hope some day i might sculp proper heads and then sculp an entire miniature. Thats my goal on a near future.
If i reach that level i can do some work on a lot of periods. :)
I will keep practising.
Cheers
Rui
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Hello all
One more update on a new figure plus the 6 ones converted and together.
This time with gladius and knife.
Hope you all like them has much as i do. :)
Cheers
Rui
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Top notch stuff, Rui, they look really dangerous.
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We want a tuto !
We want a tuto , with pics !
We want a tuto, with pics and step by step !
right now ! lol
after that, i 'll go back to my basing workbench to be motivated for finishing my gangs........sniff
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Hello all
Well, a tutorial will take some time to appear.
I first would like to sculp a little more and when i fill confident i might do one.
I still have a long way to do in sculping.
Many thanks for the comments Professor.
Indeed they seems to go and do some nasty things on the streets of rome.
Coming next some painted figures, i hope soon. :)
Cheers
Rui
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I like those! What set are the plastic arms from, please?
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Hello all
Simon those are plastic cesarian romans from warlord.
Beware though, there are two boxes, one with gladius (the one i use) and another with pilum.
Both have the same miniatures but with diferent arms.
You should also look to the following plastics for conversions:
Wargames factory cesarian romans
Wargames factory numidians (excelent figures in tunics for roman gangs)
Victrix lightly armed greeks (both boxes)
Victrix republican romans velites
For more variety you can buy separated heads from West Wind.
Hope this is usefull.
Cheers
Rui
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Hello all
After thinking a lot (burned a few more neurons lol) here is a small tutorial that i hope its usefull for you all.
Like i said i´m no sculptor, just an amateur playing with green stuff and cutting some heads, however lets see if the following information proves to be good for you all.
Your feedback is important so please say about it.
The first thing to do is choose the type of miniature you want to transform.
I choose 2 armoured bodyguards for my gang leaders (the same miniatures will do for veteran legionaires or even assassins for example).
After choosing the miniatures i cut both heads and choose the proper ones for the transformation (in both cases i used West Wind heads).
After cutting the heads, i drill a hole in both heads and bodies and place a pin to create a stronger structure for heads attachments.
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After attaching the heads i then prepare a small amount of green stuff (you can use the sculping product that you prefer) for the cloaks.
The amount should cover the main area of the cloaks (at this phase dont worry about the details of the cloaks).
Then you use the tool you find more usefull for your hands to shape the cloaks on the miniatures.
After you have the main shapes sculped, then you add small amounts of green stuff for the details of the cloaks (for example the hood and the front of the cloak) and unite both parts of the cloak.
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When you have the main cloak prepared, then check again if you wich to place other details and if so just add another small amount of green stuff for the detail (the amount should be about the same size of the detail).
If you dont fill confident to do all in the same time, just let the material dry and then start with the rest.
On the first times i used green stuff i simply spent a lot of material and the result was hawfull so be patient and give time for the material to get sturdy so that you have a strong base of support for your next level of detail.
The end result depends on your level of patience.
You only get better if you learn to be patient and practise a lot.
Dont expect to get excelent results in the first times. If you do so much the better. If not go ahead and try again. You can always cut the green stuff and start all over again.
This is the end result on both miniatures.
I also drilled the left hands and placed knifes on both miniatures.
A little twist of the arms also gives another dinamic pose on both miniatures.
Cheers
Rui
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Wow these are really great characters! Very impressive! What are the daggers made from?
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oooppppsss... o_o
I forgot this.
These are the tools i used.
Cheers
Rui
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Hello Mark
The knifes where made from wire, beaten and then scraped with a fille untill shaped.
Cheers
Rui
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Hello all
Houses this time.
I built this house plus 2 more and i´m thinking on cvering it with plasto.
If someone can give me a hand, please advise me on a quick way to do it.
Its a big house (probably will become a farm) and i stil dont know if i use plasto or not.
Cheers
Rui
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Another view of the same house
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Looking great mate. I covered mine in watered down pollyfilla. It's the stuff you but from a DIY shop for filling in cracks. I paint it on with a big brush a bit like thick paint. This once dry can be painted in a cream or brown and will then drybrush up nicely. An alternative is to cover in PVA glue and fine sand. Again paint a slightly darker shade and dry brush up. I'd be tempted to use masking tape to neaten up the edges before you apply anything though.
Looking forward to seeing the results.
Cheers
Mark
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Like Mark Backhouse said - just use one of cheap wall-filling stuf mixed with water
And in Portuguese ;D
A melhor maneira é usar uma daquelas bisnagas para tapar fendas, misturada com um bocadinho de água. Nas lojas dos chineses e nas drogarias custam uns €2, se tanto. Eu depois mando PM (que agora estou no trabalho).
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Hello all
Many thanks for the tips.
And in portuguese too. :D
I was also thinking on the masking tape for the corners and edges or cover all with white glue before anything else.
Cheers
Rui
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hey i missed that add on from you Rui !
Good work.
i see that you don't choose easy shape for your building :D
cheers
Eric
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Hello all
Eric, that building and the others will be a greatter chalenge than the transformations i made. :?
I hope i´m up to the task or else i will end up buying resin houses.
Cheers
Rui
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Hello all
An update of my latest transformations and a small explanation for inspiration.
The mounted figure is a GB pict rider with a west wind head and some cloak reconstruction.
The second one is Eric itself on is gang version with a gladius and dagger wearing a cloak and with sandals sculped (miniature is a BTD pict). :D
Cheers
Rui
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Thanks Rui.
I see now how to scuplt some descent sandals for my Roman leader .......
but not for today :'(
barefeet can be usefull to passing throught water element. It' s a guy call Jesus that told me that ! lol
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Great stuff, Rui, sandals look great! though some of the pics are again out of focus, which is a pity because the photos are too blurry now and we really would like to see more of the details of your conversions. Try it perhaps with taking pictures and being not too close with your camera at the models.
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i take my picture very far from the figurines (nearly 1m50 to 2m) and use the numerical zoom to complete some very closer view !
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Hello all
Many thanks for the coments and the tips.
Appart from the lack of quality on my small digital camera and my own lack of hability here are some better shots.
Also a fot iberian chieftain and a mounted one.
Any information on how i did, please ask and i will try to be precise on my explanations.
Cheers
Rui
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Well done, Rui, the photos are so much better, thank you, appreciate your efforts!
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Iberian chieftain on foot started as legs from a celt from Wargames factory and a body from a Warlord celt.
Rest is sculped. I have to finish that head.
The mounted iberian chieftain is a foundry one with a plastic arm from warlord and the rest is sculped.
Hope you find them usefull.
Cheers
Rui
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Great work on the conversions and builds, you have quite a big project with this, it seems :)
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Hello all
Yes Antti. For the gangs of rome the project its still in is middle i would say.
The iberians were just a try on these for i have a small army of celtiberians from companion and foundry and i didnt had any proper chieftain on foot so i decided to convert and sculp this one.
For the mounted leader, much the same.
I just placed them here to give some conversion ideas for everyone.
Cheers
Rui
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Hello all
As usuall i forget something.
My almost ready slave girl painted.
This one is dedicated to Michi. :D ;)
Cheers
Rui
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I really like the mounted pict conversion. He would make a great messenger! It reminds me I must get going making a Roman litter to carry a noble lady...
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Hello all
Well Mark. if it helps you i have to make a coach like the one from warlord. :)
Here is an idea for you.
Cheers
Rui
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I prefer this one:
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-G0WC1K9Wehc/TpkQirVCpMI/AAAAAAAAA24/EkZnTsUZ56o/s400/sedan%2Bchair%2Bsml.jpg)
& I found these examples fascinating:
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-1L9Zz9G5Fa0/Tuequ_neqiI/AAAAAAAABO0/RFUhIcaw-rs/s200-c/)
(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NTI3WDgzNA==/z/YBgAAOxy--NRuaor/$(KGrHqRHJDoFGqnOouU)BRu,orB3Tw~~60_35.JPG)
(http://i.ebayimg.com/t/A6610jta-China-Manchurian-Palanquin-Horse-Donkey-tinted-vintage-postcard-/00/s/MTAyNFgxNjAw/z/wUgAAMXQt~hSKenY/$(KGrHqZHJCoFIVWcuS2SBSKenYKe7w~~60_35.JPG)
(http://www.splingaerd.net/blondel/blondel_with_pix_asm_files/image010.jpg)
I have NO idea if the Romans did anything similar.
But I intend to make some of these for their Pulp Potential!!
Valerik
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Hello all
Valerik, the ones with mules or donkeys can make sense if we think on a litter travelling considerable distances, so and although i´ve never seen any evidence on roman matters it might be possible.
The other one stays in our imagination. :D
Cheers
Rui
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The other one stays in our imagination.
Cheers
Rui
Remember fellers, it only take ONE of 'em to letcha down, hard!!!
& that blonde down front don't look overjoyed...
Valerik
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we have a topic with professor about roman transportation right here :
http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=37870.0 (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=37870.0)
but at the moment, i still haven't time to scratch mine....
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I will probably try to get my litter done over half term. The Warlord reclining lady will do nicely. For the porters I might use Perry Mahdists?
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Hello all
Good idea for the litter figures Mark.
Perry mahdists are easy to convert if needed or straight away from the box.
Cheers
Rui
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Just got through my first order from Najewitz Modellbrau. Quick delivery from Germany. Nice pieces for my gangs to fight around. Got the villa too but need to spend a little bit of time figuring it out first.
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Wow... :-* :-*
Nice building.
I´m scratching my hands and trying to resist those buildings.
They look amazing.
Cheers
Rui
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Yup it's nice ;D ;D
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And my update for the time being.
Another darkest africa tribesmen converted, this time as a retiarius.
I still have to correct some bits but the figure is about this look.
Hope you like it as much has i do.
Cheers
Rui
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Wow! You have a real talent there! That looks like a professional green ready for casting!
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Well Mark, not yet. :D
More practise and patience. o_o
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Excellent conversion Rui :-*
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That's lovely, Rui, good idea and masterful conversion.
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Hello all
Thanks for the encoragement and kind words from all of you. :)
After seing the excelent post from Elbows of his gladiators the last retiarius gave me the idea to convert a figure close to that one.
The only item that i havent sculped is the net. The retiarius already threw the net and is thrusting with the trident.
Again a West Wind head. :D
Cheers
Rui
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Excellent work Rui !
:o
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Hello all
Eric, thanks for the feedback my friend.
Here is another one straight from my african tribe (yes, another one). :D
Damn. I have to buy some more africans or else there will be no tribe left after these transformations. lol
The head is from CP models (they sell separated gladiator heads/helms) and right arm is warlord cesarian roman with some green stuff.
Cheers
Rui
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Lovely pose Rui. :-* Just one observation, I would perhaps add a separate belt buckle just to give the belt a bit more definition. Its a minor point on an otherwise very nice job. :)
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Hello all
Nick, you have a point on that. :)
And it adds more volume to the belt also.
I will try to mend it.
I might have exagerated on the clothes this time and they covered the most part of the belt. :?
Cheers
Rui
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Hello all
Following a review on my figure and the tip from Malamute i sculped the following.
Hope it improves.
Opinions are welcome.
Cheers
Rui
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WOW!! Love him. :-*
I'd really like a Murmillo like that.
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Hello all
Thanks Furt.
Just send me a darkest african tribesmen and you can have a similar one. :D
Cheers
Rui
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wow great work Rui :-*
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Hello all
Willie, thanks for the encoragement. Your site and your paintings are an inspiration to all of us. I may have to copy some of your ideas for the crusaders some day. Excelent work. :-*
Sorry for the lack of updates on this thread but i´m having a lot of work and less patience to do conversions and painting. Basically being lazzy. :D
I found some great ideas on a web page (as usual i didnt get the link) so here are some images that i hope are usefull for painting roman tunics.
Please do visit both Mark and Eric great threads about roman gangs for more ideas too.
Soon some more gangers painted. o_o
Cheers
Rui
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Nice examples Rui - could see myself getting around in some of those. :)
BTW - have any of you "Roman street gang converters" used the Agema plastic velite sprues?
They appear to be perfect for street gangers, but could do with some bare head swaps I'd guess. What would be suitable?
Do these size up well to Foundry stuff at all? They do look a little slimmer.
This stuff is starting to temp me...
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Hello Frank
About Agema miniatures i can only say great sculps but somehow they look very slimm and smaler than foundry. :?
Some of the hands and arms do also look small.
What i did was to put new bareheads and increase the thickness of the miniatures with green stuff.
I would advise to mix foundry with the wargames factory numidians for a more easy and proportional look.
For heads go for West Wind packs of heads (20 for 4 brittish pounds).
Cheers
Rui
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Come with us Furt !
Join in the street gangs of Rome .
You are welcome. :-*
Chères
Éric - still basing that f*** cking roman with coppelstone. :'(
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I told you all.
Step by step we will convert each one of you to the gangs of rome. :D
Yes, even you Professor. lol lol
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Yes - you two have a LOT to answer for!
Have you any images of converted Agema with other brands?
They just seem perfect for civilians, especially with these add ons:
(http://agemaminiatures.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Spears.jpg)
(http://agemaminiatures.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Slingers-1.jpg)
I so do NOT need another project. :-[
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Great thread with lots of cracking ideas 8)
(Nick, Mark, shall we do this next :D )
cheers
James
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Hello all
Frank please do not forget Mark thread please. :D lol
He is the real guilty fellow for me to start my thread.
James you should do this also. A LAF special project that all its members would paint a roman gang and at least a building. I bet Rome wouldnt be so great as ours. :D
Seriously i would be glad that more people would join us in this mad project. Its fun and colourfull and with a small amount of miniatures we can play enjoyabble games (depending on the rules used).
Cheers
Rui
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And as requested here are some size comparison photos of Agema miniatures.
From left to right 2 wargames foundry, 2agema miniatures with metal head from foundry and plastic head from warlord plus some green stuff in the tunics so that they look a little more fed, 2 Black Tree Design figures.
Second pic only foundry and agema.
Hope they are usefull.
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Great pics Rui - thanks mate.
They actually look larger than the Foundry to me, more in line with the BT stuff.
I guess for a skirmish level game those two leg and torso stances are going to get pretty tired, pretty quickly.
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Mate, I love your sculpting! Whish you wouldn`z live on the other side of the World I could learn something :o
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Hello all
Well Frank, the Agema models look bigger because of the base and the heads (converted ones).
They can be mixed with foundry but as said they are slim. Nevertheless great sculps with lots of potencial.
I´m anctious to get my hands on a sprue of the new victrix greeks to see the possibilities.
Teame with the new tecnologies we can learn a lot with each other so any help you need just pm or email me and i will try to help you my friend.
Cheers
Rui
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Hello all
Finally some painted updates.
4 more gangers.
Cheers
Rui
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nice bad guys, full of terrific faces !!
won't like to meet them in a dark by-street of Rome at midnight lol
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Those were African natives right? Amazing Rui!!
They have a really nice charging motion. Perfect for violent gangers.
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Hello all
Eric, if they travel to the "roman part of France" you might find them in a dark alley of your section my friend.
We never know. :D
Frank, 3 of the miniatures were african tribesmen. The other one (white tunic with red stripes) was a viking with tunic sculped and a foundry roman head.
Thanks for your comments.
Cheers
Rui
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right Rui,
we have our own gangers in Gaul too.
but more hairy than yours.
Your viking have a trouser before ? isn't it ? ???
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Villainous!
How many is that now Rui?
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Hello all
Eric, the viking i choose was a naked berserker with one of the legs bend (i´ve tryed to find it on the WF page but i cant so the only image i have available is at the bottom of this message).
Richard, with these only 24 finished. Plus other 15 half painted plus 14 legionaires, plus 53 gangers and gladiators with grey undercoat. :D o_o
The project is not so expanded because of lack of patience to paint and other projects at the same time.
I promise to paint a few more soon and take a group photo.
Cheers
Rui
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Hello all
Some more updates.
2 more figures painted.
Cheers
Rui
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Great effort Rui. Love that hooded guy.
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Agree with Furt, the hooded guy is a gem.
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Hello all
Thanks Professor and Frank.
As explained in this thread how to do it, its an easy transformation and in better painting hands it would be better looking.
Trying to paint the cloack in black i mixed too much blue and the result its not the one i was looking for.
I must practise this mix.
Cheers
Rui
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Agree with Furt, the hooded guy is a gem.
right prof, as you say !
Excellent conversion. This hooded guy looks very well like a conspirator or an assassin, ready to deal with his victim ! o_o
great Rui. ;)
That 's remember me that i have some houses to start scratchbuilding if i want to play a day with my roman gangs.... :?
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That 's remember me that i have some houses to start scratchbuilding if i want to play a day with my roman gangs....
Ahhuummm!!!
He, hum, Her... :?
Me too. :D
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so leave your Pc and go to your workbench man ! :D
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SIR, YES, SIR. lol
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Hello all
After obeying orders to turn off my computer and go work, here is the latest conversion, this time for law and order. :D
A roman tribune.
Body from Wargames Foundry tribunes pack, head from darkest africa tribesmen with green stuff added for hair and nose, sword arm from another wf roman and legs from a BTD pict with part of the legs and the sandals sculped.
Fun to make and in a action pose of comand.
Cheers
Rui
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Good work my friend.
a yelling officer is always usefull to manage the troops ;)
Quite a little complicated as convertion o_o but ythat fill the job
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Great new additions, the painted gangers look like a fearsome bunch!
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He is excellent Rui - quite a Frankenstein monster isn't he.
You must have quite a few unique miniatures mate.
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Rui,
You should create a blog to full in with all your convertions and other green sculpts.... :D
and of course, you must to carry on your topics on the LAF... lol
cheers
Eric
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Hello all
My friends, thanks for the comments.
Eric, no blog. I would spend much time on the computer and i wouldnt do conversions. :D
I prefer to put here on LAF where a greater number of people can get ideas for their own conversions.
Antti, although i consider miself a bad painter those gangers where enjoyable miniatures to paint and they are not bad at all. Good sculping miniatures push us forward.
Frank, it really is a frankenstein. Several miniatures parts and green stuff!! o_o
But it gave me a real pleasure to do it.
Yes i have some unique miniatures and i may open a thread one of these days just to put them there for giving ideas to others. The problem is that i have conversions for many periods and i dont know where to put it. :?
Cheers
Rui
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Hello all
An update with another transformed figure.
This time a greek mounted one transformed to a mounted roman citizen/ganger to act as an escort to a wagon or some countryside actions like an ambush.
Body from a wf greek, head from a wf roman and hand with sword from plastic wargames factory roman.
I named this figure as to honour a friend so is name is Francus Sultanos. :D
A notorius thugh from the streets of rome... ;)
Cheers
Rui
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I named this figure as to honour a friend so is name is Francus Sultanos. :D
A notorius thugh from the streets of rome... ;)
The honour is ALL mine mate. I could definitely see myself as a Roman street thug too. :D
Glad you put that mini to such good use - he and his horse have sat doing nothing for over 10 years, and within a couple of hours of you receiving them you produce THIS!!
AMAZING!!
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hey Ruy,
good work but now you have to paint him lol
and the others too ! ;)
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Hello all
When i have time and as promised to a certain captain i will put not 1 but 2 pictures.
1 with the painted figures and the other with the unpainted ones... :D
Thanks for the comments guys.
Cheers
Rui
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Hello all
As a certain Princeps Sanguinem asked for how many i had in my collection here is the answer. :D
First the painted ones.
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And now the unpainted ones. :'(
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Ohh!!ohhh!!!
I forgot to say...
I also have about 35 unarmed civilians to paint and some more legionaires...
about 83... o_o
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well done Rui !
For your legionaries, which shields did you used, Foundry or the Warlord (big one) ?
i ask that because as i use several manufacturers for my roman, i have now a problrem : which transfert from LBMSwill fit well with them ?
cheers
Eric
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for the LAFers who aren't expert converter like Rui,
you can pick up these references :
* From Crusader Range of Republican Roman :
(http://www.crusaderminiatures.com/images/img27.jpg)
* From A&A miniatures Macedonian Range :
(http://www.aandaminiatures.co.uk/shop_items/ma14.jpg)
;)
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Hello all
Eric, nice ideas. I didnt noticed those packs.
I use either foundry shields or warlord plastic cesarian shields.
I dont use decals so i cannot help you in that Eric.
Usually the LBMS decals are specific fo a type of shield/manufacturer i think, so its better to check by sending an email and ask what suits your minis.
Cheers
Rui
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Hello all
Some updates on this project.
Unfortunatelly no painted figures. Only some conversions to add to the unpainted pille. :D
No time available to paint but soon it will come. :?
Miniatures:
2 mounted greeks converted to mounted romans (either bodyguards or assassins)
2 foot archers (the sandals being the only conversions)
2 roman soldiers building something (both where macedonian pikemen converted)
Cheers
Rui
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Great conversions Rui, really like the horsemen. Full of movement and character :-*
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Thanks Richard.
They where easy to do and i hope to do some proper painting on them.
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good work my friend.
I have the same idea than you about the use of unarmoured pikemen......
but you were too fast for me. lol
cheers
Eric
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Diferent countries, same thoughts... :o
We rock... ;)
If you need some pikemen just drop me an email.
I have some extras, even do for your mexican peons.
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nice idea.
if you want some naked hoplites or something like that (young early german, greek light troops, etc....).
tell me what you are looking for.
;)
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Hello all
A poor update i know but its what i can for the time being.
Another horsemen for my roman gangs.
Again head from west wind picts, rider from the foundry greek range and cloack sculped.
And the four riders of the apocalipse in all their glory and expecting some paint... ::)
Cheers
Rui
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I do like those mounted, what or how do you base them?
I'm looking at using big frightening dogs in a gang as well, counting them as 2 men.
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Poiter50 i use white glue and then spread thin sand from model railway ballast in Ho scale or whatever i like.
Simple way and fast.
I let it dry for 12h or 24h depending on the surface.
If you dont like this method do try white pumice from vallejo. Its thin and very usefull. I also use pumice for texturing my buildings.
Dogs in a gang would be interesting.
You can also use them as a pack, hold by a noble roman who uses them to defend is villa from a raid.
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Excellent group of riders.
Very dynamic ones.
For basing, you can use Glue Varnish (from hobby store). It' great because drying very fast (less than hour) ! I use it for my terrain pieces.
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Good thought on the Villa defense, I have been collecting 10-12 figure gangs for use in the Gangs of Rome rules but I might gather a "Villa defense force" - 9-12 dogs and 3-4 dogs handlers.
I'm hopeful of getting my Insulae this week from the friend who has offered to print the magnified versions. The originals are from Eric Hotz Roman Seas range and he has enlarged them by 350% to make them compatible with 28mm figures. I felt the 300% enlargement was too small and would not match the Najewitz Modelbau buildings that I already had.
NB: It is hard to type when you have had 3 large glasses of nice red wine!!
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NB: It is hard to type when you have had 3 large glasses of nice red wine!!
Portuguese or French whine?
If one of these you are compleetly converted to the gangs of rome. lol
If its Australian with less alcool you will need a full bottle. :D
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No, it is Aussie red at 14%. If it was European red, I wouldn't be worried as the lack of preservative ensure a clear head next day. I need to play taxi driver soon, so the imbibing has ceased.
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No, it is Aussie red at 14%. If it was European red, I wouldn't be worried as the lack of preservative ensure a clear head next day. I need to play taxi driver soon, so the imbibing has ceased.
lol lol lol
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Hello all
Another conversion for a ganger.
This time i used a plastic numidian from wargames factory.
Head from west wind (yes, another), arm from warlord cesarian romans.
Hope you like as much i did doing it.
Cheers
Rui
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Looks great Rui! He looks like he is just about to stab somebody in the guts or back, perfect for a vicious ganger.
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hey Rui,
Still gangers.......great to see you back !
:-*
but you need police too in your streets.....otherwise you are good straight into chaos
lol
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Hello all
Antti and Eric thanks for your comments.
Eric, i have plenty of police (legionaires). About 80 or something.
They simply are not yet painted, and yes i´m back to the subject and painting something. :D
Cheers
Rui
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Great conversion Rui. Good to see you back on this mate. :)
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Frank, thanks for the comment. :)
I will insist with myself to paint some minis soon for i have a lot of things to do for this project.
Stupid of me to do several projects at one time. o_o
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Stupid of me to do several projects at one time. o_o
That's part of the hobby Rui, I guess almost all of us have (way too) many projects underway simultaneously :)
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Nice conversion work Rui.
How big is your street gang collection now?
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Richard, i gave up counting but i would say some 50 or 60 between painted and unpainted plus legionaires and civilians.
Most of the figures will do to other subjects (spartacus revolt, roman sailors, etc).
When i paint a few more i will put a picture of all the gangers so far.
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Hi Rui, another great conversion, it's wonderful to see what can be achieved with ideas an a little putty :) :)
I never had the urge to cut minis to pieces and make new ones from the lumps ;)
cheers Thomas
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Haha, Thomas you should start doing it. :D
Its a very fun chalenge and when we achieve the proposed result we get the miniature that does only exist in our imagination and we always wanted it. :)
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Plastic is the best way to start with conversions.
Easy to cut, glue and easy to give your figurines anatomic poses .....
More difficult in lead if you don't use the Green....i speak for my self of course Rui ! ;) ;) ;) ;)
To note, i have less pleasure to paint a plastic figurine than a lead one too.....Strange isn't it ?
o_o
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More difficult in lead if you don't use the Green....i speak for my self of course Rui !
As you would need green stuff for your conversions Eric... lol
My friend, you do excelent conversions without the need of green stuff.
About metals i feel the same thing. I also prefer to paint metal instead of plastic although i have to admit the quality of plastic miniatures is increasing and as mentioned there are things we can make with plastics that are very dificult to do in metal.
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Thank Rui but you are right my friend.there 'll be a moment i'll be force to use the Green for some conversions.
But i don't like the material and i try to work without it.
About plastic, the details are excellent by today criteria but that's a question about feeling when I paint them ...... :'( :'( :'(
the best answer is a plastic-lead mix ! like you do sometime !
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And a mixed plastic/metal ganger painted as an update coming up.
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You're making it increasingly difficult not to start something like this 8)
cheers
James
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Do it man, Do it... :D
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lol Maybe in the summer :)
cheers
James
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lol Maybe in the summer :)
cheers
James
lol
You're so weak lol
More great conversions Rui :)
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Great stuff again Rui :D
Maybe James will do local British ruffians to go with his fort, to pester the authorities and create havoc in the rural neighbourhood? :)
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Maybe James will do local British ruffians to go with his fort, to pester the authorities and create havoc in the rural neighbourhood?
Well... ::)
That´s not a bad idea Antti. But he has an excuse or two. He is building some nice houses but that damn castle... ;)
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Yesterday I collected several BF/WI Moments in History 28mm vignettes, one of which was Caesar and Vercingetorix from my FLGS. The intention is to use Caesar as a Magistrate, not sure of the use of Vercinetorix yet although he is in chains so he could be a target for a "Free the Leader" scenario in Gangs of Rome. I'm thinking that the dying Nelson could be re-purposed as a litter component.
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Both vignettes are great and indeed Vercingetorix would do a nice scenario of rescuing the gang leader.
Nelson would also suit for a magistrate sick, a army commander wounded or an attempt of assassination of some high ranking figure.
I dont know if Mark Backhouse already published the expanding rules and scenarios he was doing for Saga in Wargames soldiers and strategy. He had some great ideas to expand the existing ones.
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Hi Rui and other gang fighters,
Sorry! I've been really busy and my personal life has been rather up in the air!
Things are a bit more settled now. The boards I was play testing were looking pretty good. Then Crescent and Cross came out with loads of new ideas. The result is I've been playing far too many crusades games. The good news is I've even more new ideas for Roman gangs.
I might just post the ideas here?
Cheers
Mark
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Mark, welcome back.
Yes please post here.
Any ideas are welcome. :)
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Well done Rui.
and welcome back To Mark
With some many gangers in your streets now, what are doing the police force yet ?
o_o
cheers
Eric
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With some many gangers in your streets now, what are doing the police force yet ?
Becoming gangers too. :D
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Update.
Roman legionaires not fighting. :D
I wanted to paint some roman legionaires on their day work when the legion wasnt in a battlefield.
Miniatures from WF. The digging and drinking legionaires are ex-macedonian pikemen transformed.
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And finally for today, some gladiators. Hired hands for my gangs.
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i like your working legionaries.
the barehead gladiator with shield looks great too (simple but great). !
As i always say, simple convertion could be very impressive.
Cheers
Eric
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Those are great new additions to your Roman era Rui.
Like the work gang as those are quite seldom seen instead of prepared for battle type of legionaries.Maybe make few stands of glades swords and shields for the working legionaries that they can grab if trouble starts :)
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Eric and Antti, thank you for the comments.
Like the work gang as those are quite seldom seen instead of prepared for battle type of legionaries.Maybe make few stands of glades swords and shields for the working legionaries that they can grab if trouble starts
Already done but unpainted. ;)
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Already done but unpainted. ;)
Great! :D
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Rui,
Drop your keyboard and get your paintbrush ! lol lol lol
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Yes Buana. :D
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An update not so related to the gangs but related to the latest figures painted.
A small roman fort being built.
Subject to complete on the next weeks but here is the start of it.
The idea is if its not yet compleetly built. Also i will do a small encampment for the legionaires who are building the fort.
Ideas and opinions are most welcome.
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That looks good. One point however is that the ditch would be completed before additional stuff such as the ramparts was added.
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Well Gary, i know that but i was too speedy to do as much i could and i did forgot that. o_o :?
I will add an entrance half made and the watch tower being built soon.
Lets hope this time i do some proper details.
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One more ganger to the collection.
Head is from GW plastic bretonian archers, body from Wargames foundry and green stuff for the cloack.
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And after some great although short vacations here is the first update.
3 more converted gangers and a tribune with a cloak.
Tribune is a victrix republican roman with green stuff to convert the leather protection above the breast plate, cloak and a west wind head.
Next comes a wargames factory numidian body with arms from warlord and a head from west wind plus cloack of green stuff.
The third one is a victrix greek peltast body, cloak sculped sword arm from warlord and a new manufacturer head (subject to discuss later and in another thread).
The last one is a victrix roman velites again with 2 arms from warlord and a knife done with metal.
Feedback is welcome.
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All looking good Rui :)
What would be good for the fort would be the setting out poles for the rest of it and lots of tools piled up along with some legionary equipment.
cheers
James
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Thanks James and indeed some interesting ideas for the fort.
I will indeed pille some wood poles in several places, do a half built entry plus a small amount of wall and some legionaires equipment but not glued on the fort board for it will suit for several roman periods.
I simply have to put the fort in standby for i have some things to finish first.
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hey,
i like the white one pose and look. Look very in the job !
lol
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Hadn't seen the fort in progress before, looks like a good start, great to see that finished (when you have time for it, that is).
And the new chaps look great, will nicely fit in with the dozens you already have! :D
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Geez this is an inspirational thread! Keep it up!
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Eric and Antti, thanks for the kind words. You will see more soon. And this time painted. :o
Irregular Wars Nic, be sure this thread still has lots of things to come. A big project also paralel with another.
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love all those conversions
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Duivelindoosje, thanks.
Do please keep following my thread as well as Nervisfr thread about roman gangs.
Here are some updates.
After watching Mason´s wonderfull thread about OW i just couldnt be without painting some extras for the scenario. They are also suitable for other periods.
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It's all the little bits that make a game 8)
cheers
James
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you say right James....
But i have mine not ready as those of Rui.....sniff
:'(
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Thanks Eric and James.
And a group shot for the good Captain.
Sorry for the crap photos. I promise next time i will do some proper ones. :D
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Quite a collection coming together there Rui :)
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Coming slowly, but coming. :D
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Hi Rui, it's nice to watch a Project developing and being worked on for such a long time.
Carry on my friend you're watched ;)
cheers Thomas
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Thanks Thomas.
I´m having lots of encouragement from several LAFFERS specially from Nervisfr since we are doing the same project.
Lets hope a few more will come to the gangs of rome soon. ;)
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That's quite a horde of painted goodness you got there Rui! :o :-*
Have you already gamed with these?
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Wow that's quite an effort there Rui - very nice. There are some dubious characters in that lot!
Can't wait for your first game report with these guys!!
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Thanks Antti and Frank.
Unfortunately i dont get much chances of gaming but as soon as i paint a few more i will play a game with my brother using Song of Shadows and Dust to see how they look like.
I probably will go for a scenario of a train of goods (2 mules and a wagon) belonging to a faction in route to another town to sell them and being ambushed in the way. I still dont have any finished building so i have to use other scenario bits. :)
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Very cool, eager to read the AAR :D
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Impressive collection, particularly like the gladiators. 8)
Stuart.
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Thanks Stuart.
The 3 i´ve transformed are some of the best conversions i ever made and really fun to make.
Keep watching for i have more underway.
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Rui my Friend. I feel ashamed for not following this Thread, missed a lot. I hang mostly on other Boards but this is a real Treat, love it!
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Teame, good to see you on my thread my friend.
I´m following with interest your dwarf army and i´m loving your painting.
Keep it coming. ;)
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And now a small update.
Another ganger transformed from a victrix plastic velites (thanks Gary) with a foundry head, sword arm from warlord and the other from wargames factory with the help of some green stuff.
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Absolute fantastic thread... :o
Really inspiring.
Thnax,
don
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I just got 2 Roman coaches and an Arab litter back from my painter friend as well as the WI Caesar and Vercingetorix. Now my Arab gang has a master or merchant to protect/escort and my Aedile can pontificate in the forum.
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For Roman Coach, i'll try a conversion of this one :
(http://war-bases.co.uk/image/cache/data/CARTS/carts%20006%20(640x427)-500x500.jpg)
cheap mdf version from War-base (http://war-bases.co.uk/ACCESSORIES/Carts-Wagon?limit=25)
Waiting my order from them for a few days now.... ;D
See the topic roman transportation : here (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=37870.0) ....
enjoy
Eric
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Eric, that was too fast my friend. I thought on the same model too. lol
Now i can wait for yours and then copy it. :D
DonVoss, thanks for the kind words. Your painting is an inspiration. ;)
Poiter50 i want to see those. :)
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Hello all
Latest ganger. Another mounted one.
Body from a greek cavalryman from foundry (thanks Frank) with a plastic warlord arm, metal spear, west wind head (yes Eric, another one) and green stuff cloak.
Opinions are welcome.
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Very cool rider Rui! :-*
He's about to end some poor soul's existence with that spear 8)
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Very cool rider Rui! :-*
He's about to end some poor soul's existence with that spear 8)
or pick a piece of meat for barbecue with his mother-in-law ! :?
Nice convertion. Don't know what you 'll do with riders in a street fight but great work ! o_o
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Many thanks for the comments.
The mounted gangers where some of the most enjoyable transformations i´ve made.
Well, the riders are to use on countryside scenarios like a stagecoach being assalted, assassination of a rival ganger or polititian, ambush on a goods convoy, etc. Lots of possibilities.
I have in my painting table 2 mules and 3 gangers for those scenarios.
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An update to the thread.
4 new painted gangers and a mule.
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Mean and determined looking bunch those four, wouldn't want to try to steal their pack mule :D
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Excellent
;D
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No wonder men don't walk the streets of Rome after dark with these rough looking bastards about!
Nicely done. :)
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No wonder men don't walk the streets of Rome after dark with these rough looking bastards about!
Nicely done. :)
We are legions.....
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Thanks for the comments guys. :)
We are legions.....
lol lol
Not yet...
Soon... :D
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Great tough looking additions
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Thanks Tyrionhalfman.
More to come soon.
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Looking forward to seeing the next batch.I'm tempted to use a bunch tunic wearing agema and victrix romans left over from my republic legions as the start of my own street gang or armed slaves.each of your and nervisfr' s new additions makes me more tempted though mine won't have as much conversion as I'm not very experienced with gs, more kit bash than conversion
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Making your own street gang/slaves its really fun.
As you can see Eric (Nervisfr) doesnt use GS at all and his transformations are great. Use what you are more confortable with, and the end results will be great. The only limit is our imagination. ;)
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Making your own street gang/slaves its really fun.
As you can see Eric (Nervisfr) doesnt use GS at all and his transformations are great. Use what you are more confortable with, and the end results will be great. The only limit is our imagination. ;)
you say right Rui. ;)
i'm still not a fan of Green. :D
With Plastic figurines is more easier because the plastic glue can do the job instead the use of green. Put more glue and some small part of plastic and the glue dissolve the plastic.
Then you get something like Green without the trouble of the Green.
Sometime i use the Pattex putty for cold jonction but i prefer airdrying clay like my copplestone bases.
Plastic is fantastic, but i don't like to paint it...sniff.
Eric
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Thank you both for the inspiration and the advice
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Kitbashing is also conversion ;)
What ever you do, do post pics here on LAF of the progress :)
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Kitbashing is also conversion ;)
What ever you do, do post pics here on LAF of the progress :)
The LAF ; That the place for ! 8)
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This is an mazing project, full of detail and inspiration.
Thanx,
Don
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Thanks DonVoss.
Your Crusades project its tempting me. :)
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2 more gangers.
Both are foundry figures. The one with the scarf has a GW head from the plastic empire militia (yes, another) and a gs cloack. The archer has a cloak sculped plus is short bow cut and a bigger one placed.
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cool !
what do you want to do with the 2 green balls at the archer's feet ? ???
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Large rocks.
but then i realised i´m basing them in street floor so i will remove them. ;D
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I love to see someone else who is so addicted to a project they just can't stop making new figures! lol
It's so good to know I am not alone :D
Well done Rui.
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I love to see someone else who is so addicted to a project they just can't stop making new figures! lol
It's so good to know I am not alone :D
Well done Rui.
As you say captain !
Rui, how many gangers like these, have you finished until now ?
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Very nice work once again Rui 8)
Are there any unarmed civilians in the pipeline?
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Some good continuation here 8)
cheers
James
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I love to see someone else who is so addicted to a project they just can't stop making new figures!
It's so good to know I am not alone
Well Richard, the reason i´m being adicted to this project is because you and others are an inspiration. :D
I really enjoy converting miniatures and i´ve lost how many i did so far.
By far you are not alone in this. ;)
Very nice work once again Rui
Are there any unarmed civilians in the pipeline?
Yes there are Antti but they will take a while before they appear painted. I´m reaching the worst working period of the year and i need to rest as much so i´ve been lazzy this last days. But before the end of this month some more painted figures will appear. ;)
Rui, how many gangers like these, have you finished until now ?
Eric, painted or unpainted? :D
Some good continuation here
Thanks James. There will be more soon. :)
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Hello all
More painted miniatures. :D
3 more gangers.
I´m finishing another mule and a few more gangers that soon will make their apearance.
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Can't wait to get home & see what I have collected and where they will fit in the collection.
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Very nice Rui - especially like the big bald brute!
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Very nice Rui - especially like the big bald brute!
You paint it with a vicious face !
Excellent Rui
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Poiter50, share with us ok? ;)
Thanks Frank. I hope that soon i´m abble to do a small game.
I think i will name that brute, Ericus the Gaul. :D
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Suitably tough looking. 8)
Stuart.
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Poiter50, share with us ok? ;)
Thanks Frank. I hope that soon i´m abble to do a small game.
I think i will name that brute, Ericus the Gaul. :D
Hey, i'm not still bald........for a man of 50 years in one month ;D
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Hey, i'm not still bald........for a man of 50 years in one month
How!! I know. I just wanted to portrait you on the radical years of you as a gang member!! ::) :D
Thanks Stuart.
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well, then
i'll create a Lusitanian gang in my Project.
Full of hairy guys, eating lot of fishs and killing their opponents wby playing Fado music
lol lol lol lol......
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lol lol lol
Is that a promise? 8)
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Could be
;)
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Will do. I actually owe this thread a number of pics, which I will attempt when I am back in Oz late July. In Canada right now for 2.5 weeks.
Poiter50, share with us ok? ;)
Thanks Frank. I hope that soon i´m abble to do a small game.
I think i will name that brute, Ericus the Gaul. :D
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A small update since patience to do anything is scarse.
Real life sometimes is ungratefull to our hobby. :?
2 new gangers. both are foundry models, one with a plastic warlord arm glued and another (ex-macedonian pikemen) with a warlord arm, west wind head (yes Eric, another) and a GS cloak.
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Well, not exactly an update but more like a presentation of the distinction of 2 diferent gangs.
After a certain number of painted figures it comes to my mind that if i want to game with 2 diferent gangs i need to diferentiate them somehow and at the same time being abble to band them together in scenarios against law and order.
So i decided that there are 2 distinct gangs in this way. 1 is the cloacked ones and the other only with tunics.
Here are some pictures of the 2 gangs so far.
Let me know your opinions. :)
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Really like how those cloaks came out. a nice way to distinguish them, but not too different. So you can use them all together as a skirmish force, too.
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Not a bad idea.
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Not a bad idea.
Well done Rui.
an another way :
You can have the gang of the blue eyes guys and the brown eyes gang....but in the fight that'll be difficult....
lol lol lol lol
A different basing can help you too, with a small difference like a small grass clump, for example.
If too many gangs, change the color of the grass.
Cheers
Eric
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You can have the gang of the blue eyes guys and the brown eyes gang....but in the fight that'll be difficult....
lol lol
You devil.
Thanks Comissarmoody and peithetairos.
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Not much update but a fountain from italeri plus a roman for a statue and a tribune transformed with a diferent head and GS hair and neck.
More soon.
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hey Rui,
I 'm happy to see you back in town.. ;)
The fountain looks great for this use.
Eric
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Small update.
Fountain ready.
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And a few more pics.
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Magnificent Rui!! :-*
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Magnificent Rui!! :-*
Yep, thats great, really like the water effect. :)
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A lovely scenic piece, Rui 8)
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Thanks guys.
It was a joy to paint that fountain.
The water effect is very simple. A thin piece of transparent plastic and covered with 3 layers of vallejo water texture 26201.
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A lovely scenic piece, Rui 8)
i have got mine too....but in an another scale lol lol lol lol
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8612/29048339895_63f9b703b9_z.jpg)
the Ré-Animator driking water.......only for the picture's purpose of course ;)
Cheers
Eric
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Super fountain! I've noted the vallejo water effects, thanks for the tip!
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Eric my man you are nasty. lol
Richard of Sachsen its a easy one to make. :)
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I took the liberty to post here these photos of Poiter50 figures of his collection of Roman gangs and their nemesis the vigiles.
Hope you dont mind Pete. :)
Maybe it inspires me to get back to this subject. ;D
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Thanks Rui. :)
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And now Poiter50 vigiles. :)
I must do a unit of these guys. :D
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That's a great collection!
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And maybe back in business (or Rome)...
Rome wasnt built in a day but these 2 are helping.
Eric, one of them doesnt have green stuff... ;D
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Great conversions Rui! :-*
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Well done Rui, you can do it ;)
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Thanks Antti and Eric.
Eric i´m just waiting for day 1 to see what i will spend on buildings and then i think its back to this project to try and finish it (i said try, ok?). ;D
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No its not superman reborn. o_o
A germanic bodiguard for a gang leader.
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Look dangerous.
A fist fighter who don't need weapon to rule his master's law lol in the streets .
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Sweet looking pugnator, I'm sure he gets the job done aka jaws broken etc for a right amount of coins :)
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And it is back in business. :D
Freshly painted.
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And these...
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Nice work Rui! 8)
Still 100+ to paint still, eh? ;D
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Nice work Rui! 8)
Still 100+ to paint still, eh? ;D
Whitout speaking of the buildings lol lol lol
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Antti, probably not 100 because i have some painted but some 50 or 60 yes. :)
Eric, the buildings (at least most of them) will be mdf meaning i will paint them slowly but being abble to play with them meanwhile. ;)
I´m also working in some terrain for countryside scenarios so not all will be mdf.
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Antti, probably not 100 because i have some painted but some 50 or 60 yes. :)
Eric, the buildings (at least most of them) will be mdf meaning i will paint them slowly but being abble to play with them meanwhile. ;)
I´m also working in some terrain for countryside scenarios so not all will be mdf.
Hope you have Titus Pullo and Lucius Vorenus in your gang Rui.....
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Hope you have Titus Pullo and Lucius Vorenus in your gang Rui.....
Posted on: December 04, 2017, 07:58:14 PM Posted by: rumacara
No i dont have them James. Maybe one of these days i buy them but those figures are not priorities. Just gangs and unarmed citizens.
But if someone has their bareheads they can send it to me and i will convert both for gang leaders... ;D ;D
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Hello all
Here is my latest transformation.
Foundry figure with a head manufactured by a friend (thank you Vitor) and the usual green stuff for the cloak. :)
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That chap looks like he knows what he is doing with that sword :) Very nice conversion 8)
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Thanks Antti.
And he knows... :D
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Well done Rui.
Good idea to wrap his cloak around his left hand (the shield one) :P
I think it's time for me to add some cloaks to my gangers. I think i have to few...
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Thanks Eric. :)
Looking forward to see your conversions. ;)