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Miniatures Adventure => Future Wars => Topic started by: Doomsdave on March 17, 2014, 01:49:04 AM
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This is supposed to hit theaters on March 21st. I have been anticipating this for a while and am thoroughly excited.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jg4OCeSTL08
Also yesterday's Wall Street Journal had the following write-up:
Here (http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304250204579433104251809202?mg=reno64-wsj&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB10001424052702304250204579433104251809202.html)
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Looks like fun. :)
But I'm no subscriber to the Wallstreet Journal, so can only read the first couple of scentences of the article...
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A film about making a film? :-X
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Nope;
It's a film about a fictional film that was not made... :D
It reeks a bit like Spinal Tap to me. ;)
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A film about not making a film......... :-X
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My confusion is not simulated.
Gracias,
Glenn
After the first book the story sank into the abyss of writing for the words IMO but many think otherwise.
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Copy and paste the article title into Google and search for the article that way. You can do this for many news services.
If it comes out here I'm kind of tempted to see it.
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Thanks for the headsup
:)
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For people interested in the creative and collaborative process of making films, and for fans of Frank Herbert's novels, this attempt to make "Dune" has sort of been the "white whale"... It was an ambitious undertaking that didn't happen for a lot of reasons.
I've been looking forward to this picture for a while - I think I first read about Jodorowsky's Dune in Starlog in the early 1980's, and each time I see parts of David Lynch's version, a little part of me thinks "It coulda been different..."
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This docu would be interesting from the historical standpoint, Jodorowsky's work having reputedly influenced the scifi genre business beyond the confines of its own aborted production. It should also be inspirational for anyone looking for something out of the ordinary to add a little spice to their miniature projects.
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One day, Peter Jackson will make the original Dune trilogy as a series of movies, and it will be glorious.
(Yes, I know not everyone will agree with this, but leave me alone to dream... )
I never liked the David Lynch/Dino DiLaurentis version. Wrong in so many ways.
It's a shame Jodorowsky never made his version. It looks like the grandaddy of a lot of the sci-fi movies that did get made over the ensuing 20 years...
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A film about not making a film......... :-X
haven't seen Lost in La Mancha? Terry Gilliams failed Don Quijote film
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It's a shame Jodorowsky never made his version.
I'm not too sure if I fully agree with you, over the years I have read some things about this project, a bit an excess, for instance, Emperor Padisha was to be played by Salvador Dali sitting in a golden toilet as throne.
I would say some of these gossips have grown over the years to increase the legend of the failed project.
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.....could be fantastic. No?....... 8)
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haven't seen Lost in La Mancha? Terry Gilliams failed Don Quijote film
Not necessarily failed, it's back on!
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Exactly what Donpimpom says. I admire Jodorowsky for his comics (the White Llama!), books and films (Santa Sangre!) But for what I've read his Dune version would be a total lysergic surrealist bomb. Lovely idea for any kind of story, but not Dune, thank you!
There already are a few interviews with him about Dune on Youtube.
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The truth about it is, that not Jodorowsky was the first guy, who wanted to make the movie. Arthur P Jacobs (Planet of the apes) made a deal with Frank Herbert and the book should be written by Robert Bolt (Papillon) and directed by David Lean (Lawrence of Arabia) and Franklyn D. Scheffler (Planet of the Apes). Very Interesting, but never made real. Jacobs died before the start in 1973. The Idea of Jodorowsky with Giger, Dali and all the other stars, was only an idea, not more.
@Sir Captain Blood: Jackson is brilliant, but not a god. I think Michael Bay or Christopher Nolan would be better for this story. One problem is still the coverage of the story. Six books is too much for the big moie-companies, I'm afraid. But We are young and full of hope... ;)
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I know a wee bit about the project, and Giger's designs for it. Wouldn't mind finding out a bit more. :)
One day, Peter Jackson will make the original Dune trilogy as a series of movies, and it will be glorious.
(Yes, I know not everyone will agree with this, but leave me alone to dream... )
Each of the six books will be turned into a trilogy of 3-hour movies; spice will be practically radioactive in it's influence and be upstaged in importance by weirding modules anyway; Fremen will make Superman look soft; anyone who's not an Atriedes or Arrakeen (with the exception of Yueh) will be such a stunted, cackling, two-dimensional caricature of a villain as to make the book's Harkonnens look like paragons of virtue and any pretence of bluff or twists an impossibility; and Stilgar will be reduced to comic relief and the butt of tossing jokes. Probably involving sietch reservoirs.
Then Weta will make Arrakis look all shiny and pretty, and PJ will get the credit for it.
>:D
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As a Dune aficianado I am intrigued by this. I'm not sure it would have been a great movie, but like all great books I think there is room for many visual interpretations. I just wish someone would publish a thick art book (I'm looking at you Taschen) of all the notes, photos and sketches by the team. I would love to have that.
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I'm a fan of the first book- and I like the imagery of the Lynch version quite a bit to be honest. Weird enough to put it into the far future. Although from another franchise I'm going to quote Trevor Goodchild: "We have already evolved so much that our actions would be incomprehensible to a human from a thousand years ago."
In contrast the TV miniseries just seems like good old fashioned human actors... I'm a decadent Harkonnen, like the Greeks of old! Tee hee!
I'd probably give a new movie to Guillermo del Toro if he had the money and time to do it right.
Thanks for the tip at any rate, I'll certainly keep it on my radar. I have a bunch of Giger's big ass books and the Dune stuff is intriguing :)
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I'm a fan of the first book- and I like the imagery of the Lynch version quite a bit to be honest.
Same here.
Lovely idea for any kind of story, but not Dune, thank you!
Agreed. I'm only familiar with his comics and I love them, even if he repeats the same ideas every time. I think we would have seen very cool designs and ideas, but not a very good film, or at least not a good Dune film. David Lynch's has a similar problem...
David Lean, really??
Nowadays pretty much everything gets made into a film, or a remake if it already was, so I'm pretty sure we'll see a new Dune movie (or saga) sooner of later.
Kilian Eng made this beautiful poster for the documentary:
http://dwdesign.tumblr.com/post/32206302789/poster-for-the-upcoming-documentary-about
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I'd learned about this many years ago from the stories Moebius has told about it now and again (I'm a huge, huge fan of Moebius and he has collaborated with Jodorowsky on occasion - my favourite of those collaborations being "The Madwoman of the Sacred Heart").
It really is fascinating how elements of the movie or individuals who worked on it went on to feed into so many other great sci-fi movies of the 1970's and 1980's.
Had the movie ever been made, it might not have been true to Frank Herbert and it might not have even been a great movie, but it would have been an incredible, ground-breaking spectacle, one that would have massively raised the standards for sci-fi movies (much as Star Wars eventually did, only possibly even more so).
It's funny how these stories of wildly ambitious movies that were never made are coming out now. Like the backstory of Argo being Jack Kirby's designs for the wild-eyed film version of Roger Zelazny's Lord of Light.
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Each of the six books will be turned into a trilogy of 3-hour movies; spice will be practically radioactive in it's influence and be upstaged in importance by weirding modules anyway; Fremen will make Superman look soft; anyone who's not an Atriedes or Arrakeen (with the exception of Yueh) will be such a stunted, cackling, two-dimensional caricature of a villain as to make the book's Harkonnens look like paragons of virtue and any pretence of bluff or twists an impossibility; and Stilgar will be reduced to comic relief and the butt of tossing jokes. Probably involving sietch reservoirs.
Then Weta will make Arrakis look all shiny and pretty, and PJ will get the credit for it.
>:D
Yes, this is the Dune movie series I want to see! (But only 9 movies based on the original trilogy please - I thought the later books were nowhere near as good as the original and its two follow-ups)
;)
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For the Dutch LAFers that want to see it it's playing at the upcoming Imagine film festival in Amsterdam in april
http://www.imaginefilmfestival.nl/node/2224
there's even a double bill with Lynch's Dune
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Am I a horrible person for quite liking all of Frank Herbert's Dune books? I thought he was one of the very few sci-fi writers to ever really manage to come something close to successfully conveying the passage of thousands of years or distances of trillions of miles in a story and to my mind the later books are very much a part of that experience.
The later books don't compare to the first one of course, but when I read them, they still feel like decent sequels, rather than some George Lucas prequel level of fiasco.
Don't talk to me about the offal created by his son, Brian Herbert, though. The "Dune prequel" stuff is tolerable and maybe no worse than the worst of Dune's sequels, but the Butlerian Jihad books were simply horrible.
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Am I a horrible person for quite liking all of Frank Herbert's Dune books?
I dunno. I think you might have self-esteem issues though. :D
I read the first book once upon a time, then decided to try to get and read the six original books in order, in one go. I got about halfway through God-Emperor of Dune and my brain started to melt down. Threw it to one side and haven't tried again since.
Probably should, though. They're not bad, but boy are they dense, and a bit unintelligible at times. o_o
I think it prepared me for tackling A Song of Ice and Fire, though. ;)
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lol
Good point Vermis ;)
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I just remembered that I once saw a concept design of an ornithopter by Ron Cobb, famous 70's cartoonist. It got ditched by Jodo for being too American, iirc. The whole thing of not reading a book but still making an interpretation based on acid visions IS typical 60's/70's counterculture cinema.
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I got about halfway through God-Emperor of Dune and my brain started to melt down. Threw it to one side and haven't tried again since.
Probably should, though. They're not bad, but boy are they dense, and a bit unintelligible at times. o_o
That one took me 16.5 years to finish (and I usually plough through the Silmarillion in a weekend every couple of years).
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I am with you, vermis. Iz was not really a pleasure to read dune. Sometimes it seems, that Herbert was writing it only as fragments and not a complete story. Songs of ice and cream seems to be the same. But a good movie can make it easier. Like Peter Jackson did with the Lord of the ring. Book was not really a pleasure, some parts are too long, but the movie was brilliant.
There is still an owner of the movie-rights, but no company (paramount stoppt it in 2011)...
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"So... I wrote Alien".
Thinking of it, it's completely amazing that Jodorowsksy got this crew together for a film that never happened but nevertheless redefined Science Fiction.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fv4F8HasKA
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Am I a horrible person for quite liking all of Frank Herbert's Dune books? I thought he was one of the very few sci-fi writers to ever really manage to come something close to successfully conveying the passage of thousands of years or distances of trillions of miles in a story and to my mind the later books are very much a part of that experience.
The later books don't compare to the first one of course, but when I read them, they still feel like decent sequels, rather than some George Lucas prequel level of fiasco.
Don't talk to me about the offal created by his son, Brian Herbert, though. The "Dune prequel" stuff is tolerable and maybe no worse than the worst of Dune's sequels, but the Butlerian Jihad books were simply horrible.
I agree with you. The panoramic sweep of history, linguistic evolution, religious, social and economic pressures and their transformation over 10,000 years coupled with the way Herbert presented those ideas is amazing, Even if the narrative is despised, the comprehensiveness and audacity of the project should be acknowledged.
And...I'm worse than you, I even enjoyed his son's books, though they pale in comparison to Dad's.
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Am I a horrible person for quite liking all of Frank Herbert's Dune books?
I don't know. After reading the first book a friend, regarding the other books, told me "now, after the first book, you are a happy man, ignorant but happy. If you decide to go ahead with the next books you will be wiser, but will turn into a grumpy man"
I have choose to stay ignorant, but happy.
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It's just funny to me. I mean we have revered sci-fi authors who find it really hard to lose the milieu they live in. Like how in Asimov's foundation series the characters all smoke cigarettes and the social structures and relationships and the way everyone talks all have a hilariously 1950's reek.
The man who's able to forget who and what he is and give us a tiny window on a whole new way of thinking, on another universe that doesn't need us, but still functions on it's own rules, of ways men might act in times and places so far removed from today, those are really cool to me. I mean it's hard enough for a person to think in the view point of a different but contemporary culture (say, a modern American trying to understand the modern Chinese cultural milieu, or vice versa), harder still to do this with historical cultures from a different tradition (an American trying to understand what life and social relations might've been like in Mansa Musa's Malian empire or Ancient Sumeria), hardest to imagine one for a society that has never even existed (science fiction). I think Frank Herbert was among the best at that.
If you do it with aliens, that's almost cheating because you can just make up nonsense without anchors. But with humans, you still have to keep an element of familiarity.
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I am not a big fan of Frank Herbert, but I don't see how a literary piece where the main plot point is enlightenment and transcendence through drug consumption should not be best transferred to the big screen by people who know and experienced a lot about it.... :D
I am a big fan of SF, but I don't see how Dune can receive a "serious", hard SF treatment
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Fram & Scurv; both excellent points. It's also hard to ignore the parallels between CHOAM and OPEC considering the 70's energy crises which surely colored his writing. Without oil and Spice respectively neither "universe" could support travel.
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In any event, it's high time I reread the original. It's been over 30 years since I did :)
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In any event, it's high time I reread the original. It's been over 30 years since I did :)
I first read it when I was,I think about 14; I though the novel very profound...Almost literature. I re-read the book in my early 30s; I couldn't believe how trite it was,sometimes it's better not go back lol
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I think I was more like 17 or 18 when I read it. It made a big impact on me at the time. Don't think I've re-read it properly since though.
I know I hated the look of the Lynch/DiLaurentis movie when it came out, which was much too regular sci-fi for my imagining of the world of the novel - particularly the portrayal of the Fremen and Sardaukar. I always saw something much more exotic and middle eastern looking, than skintight leather onsies...
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I've just read three pages of talk of Dune adaptations, and no one has mentioned the two Sci-Fi channel mini-series, Dune and Children of Dune. I loved both of them, but I also loved the David Lynch movie, and some of the Brian Herbert novels. I even liked the Butlerian Jihad. On the other hand, I hated God Emperor of Dune with a white hot passion. >:(
What I'd really like to see is an animated version of Dune. Remember when an adult animated movie didn't automatically mean anime?
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I mentioned the mini series. I didn't think the acting was up to par, too 'soap opera' for me. I thought the extra time helped flesh out the setting to some extent, but it was just 'okay' in my opinion.
An animated series, like 12 episodes or something, would be pretty cool.
And remember folks, without Dune, 40k Rogue Trader would be nothing like it was :)
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I think I have to read it again after nearly 30 years (had it several times in hands, but choose an other book). The 80'-Movie is a good SciFi-Movie, but not the adaption of the book. Maybe based on the book. I think you need a real good Movie-Guy like Jackson to make it a good film. Di Laurenties was so hyped after Conan, that no one gave him a control. But Jackson is free at the end of the year when the hobbit is over...
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I have read Dune many times.
Just recently I listened to the audible talking book version and it was fantastic.
I've completed up to God Emperor so far and listening (as I paint) made even that one worthwhile.
http://www.audible.com/pd/Sci-Fi-Fantasy/Dune-Audiobook/B002V1OF70
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What I'd really like to see is an animated version of Dune. Remember when an adult animated movie didn't automatically mean anime?
I hadn't thought of that but a full-on old school roto-scoped Dune would be wonderful.
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It's hard for me to take pining for the Jordonowski project seriously. Everything I've ever read/seen about it makes it look like fans of the book who hate the David Lynch version would hate the Jordanowski film twice as much for basically the same reasons. And to anyone who hadn't read the book, the Jodonowski film would pretty much be "Zardoz, Part Deux".
I'm half-and-half on both the Lynch film and the Sci-Fi Channel miniseries. Both of them have a handful of things they do really really well, and everything else is crap. There's very little middle ground. I love them both for the things they do well, but they both make me cringe to my core constantly at the same time.
Ill add my hat to the "would like to see an animated version" sentiment. There are a number of things about the book that IMO just make it too impractical to do right in live action (Paul's age, for one). Although I'm a fan of the books, I do think the first book could be easily distilled into a 2-hour film. I'd like to say a modern CG animated film aimed at a YA audience could be the best way to do it... but it'd have to be YA in the smarter old-school sense, not the modern helicopter parent sanitized/lobotomized sense.
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"Zardoz, Part Deux".
Don't say that around me - I love Zardoz. lol
(it's just too much bloody fun... plus, Charlotte Rampling ;) )
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It's hard for me to take pining for the Jordonowski project seriously. Everything I've ever read/seen about it makes it look like fans of the book who hate the David Lynch version would hate the Jordanowski film twice as much for basically the same reasons. And to anyone who hadn't read the book, the Jodonowski film would pretty much be "Zardoz, Part Deux".
I'm pretty much of the same mind. I learned of it through Jodorowski's comic works (it was an obvious jumping point for the Incal/Metabarons universe), and I was left with the impression that this Hollywood-hating creator was doing exactly what Hollywood is always accused of doing.
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no one is going to rotoscope again like those films. Its so time intensive costly and horrible to do. If I told you what you charge for it you would have a brain explosion. I have done tons of rotoscoping and I will be the first to tell you its not fun. Its not easy to do well either as it has to be pixel perfect on every frame.
I suspected as much when I worte it. But this whole thread is me dreaming anyway.
Oh and Fram: I love Zardoz too. And Charlotte.
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It's just funny to me. I mean we have revered sci-fi authors who find it really hard to lose the milieu they live in. Like how in Asimov's foundation series the characters all smoke cigarettes and the social structures and relationships and the way everyone talks all have a hilariously 1950's reek.
The man who's able to forget who and what he is and give us a tiny window on a whole new way of thinking, on another universe that doesn't need us, but still functions on it's own rules, of ways men might act in times and places so far removed from today, those are really cool to me. I mean it's hard enough for a person to think in the view point of a different but contemporary culture (say, a modern American trying to understand the modern Chinese cultural milieu, or vice versa), harder still to do this with historical cultures from a different tradition (an American trying to understand what life and social relations might've been like in Mansa Musa's Malian empire or Ancient Sumeria), hardest to imagine one for a society that has never even existed (science fiction). I think Frank Herbert was among the best at that.
If you do it with aliens, that's almost cheating because you can just make up nonsense without anchors. But with humans, you still have to keep an element of familiarity.
This is why I love the Dune books, and hate the Lynch movie.
I was writing an epic rant about how much Lynch didn't get the books -- he pretty much made the people modern Americans in funny clothes -- but the spittle started accumulating on my keyboard and I had to hold back. Words cannot describe how much I hate that movie.
If he didn't like the vision Herbert had, then he should not have made the picture. The changes Jackson made to LotR pale in comparison.
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I quite like the film version :) I do tend to separate the two though and watch it as a very good looking sci-fi film.
I bought Dune Apocalypse the other month (£3) and really wished I hadn't but I stuck it out only to get my monies worth lol
A good cast (James McAvoy, Alice Krieg, Susanna Sarandon and a few other well known faces) but they really should've spent more then £20 on the effects :-X
Talking about the animation side, would you prefer cgi or traditional? I would prefer traditional as cgi is getting very boring now :?
cheers
James
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no one is going to rotoscope again like those films. Its so time intensive costly and horrible to do.
And ironically, looks cheap and nasty.
(Not to belittle your previous efforts, Scurv. ;) It's just that when I hear or see 'rotoscoping', my mind instantly goes to Ralph Bakshi's Orcs...)
Tried to watch a bit of the tv adaptation, but James MacAvoy just rubs me up the wrong way, for some reason. Leto II, young Prof X, bit part in Early Doors, that ridiculous over-the-top assassin movie I forget the name of... Whatever role or title, he just looks very punchable.
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I like the look of the Lynch movies, though that's mostly on the strength of Mark Zug's excellent paintings of the main characters of Dune for the Dune CCG, which he mostly based on the designs from the Lynch movie.
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Tygra, Fire and Ice is a great film! I saw it when I was a teen and got shocked.
The animated LORT also by Ralph Bakshi has some cool rotoscopied scenes
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I just love Ralph Bakshi in general, he's such a terrible fun cornball. Wizards (featuring, among other things, the best way to deal with an evil Wizard ever) was one of the first DVDs I ever bought.
Actually that reminds me that I wanted to pick up a copy of American Pop.
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saw it yesterday and it's damn entertaining, if only for the enthusiasm Jodorowsky still has for the project, he's moved past it but the way he can still talk about it is amazing.
I completly understand why this wasn't made, but damn he had some wacky ;D (good and bad) ideas, and really was ahead of his time, if he had managed to actually make it it would have been epic. although fans of the books would have probably hated it.
damn inspiring too, now I want to do a over the top Sci-fi project :D