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Other Stuff => General Wargames and Hobby Discussion => Topic started by: mikeland on March 19, 2014, 11:29:47 AM
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Hope this is in the right place, if not can a mod move it please.
Lovely painted example (not my work) of the fantastic new plastic building from Renedra. Looks like a great kit, I can think of loads of uses for this one! This one is out in April, not sure of the price yet.
(http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/x396/carvel2/Mobile%20Uploads/image-74.jpg)
(http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/x396/carvel2/Mobile%20Uploads/image-73.jpg)
Loads more pictures on the original thread:
http://www.warlordgames.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=14775&p=163507#p163507
Double post, not sure what i did... mod please help!!
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These, I need at least two, will make a nice addition...... :D
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and the price which makes it superior to all other mudbrick houses available in the wargaming universe??
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No news on price as far as I'm aware. Given how small the other buildings were I'm cautiously optimistic looking at the linked pics but prepared to be disappointed.
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there is serious field of competitors to be beaten here and it won't be in the modelling discipline they are going to score....
surely in the weight and mass production ones...
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If that is more than $5, it isn't worth it. Hate to say, but not very impressed. :?
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No word on pricing as yet, though it is 3 sprues so I can't see it less than £18.
I think it's USP will be the fact that it is plastic and in multi parts so very versatile and easy to modify, and to use more than one kit to make something bigger. Like the Warlord games ruined farm house, not the most amazing model but more than the sum of its parts in usefulness.
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yeah, we had this topic twice before, so no point repeating it.
We'll see what it costs
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Eighteen quid would buy a lot of foam core/ balsa sheet/ cork tiling and polyfilla and I'm not convinced this actually represents an advance in quality over what can be produced using a shoebox.
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I have the Renedra church, farmhouse, and barn and I like them quite a bit. I think they're a good value for money, mainly because of the shingles :)
This building I don't think I'll get, I can make a dozen for the money it will take to buy one plastic.
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yeah, that was the other thing...
easiest building anyone without opposable thumbs can make.
we should probably start a competition, with different categories, like innovation, costs, weirdness, I don't know
which is compulsory for every member. Seriously, this GW-style money making has to stop somewhere :D
we need the money to pay the talented sculptors who made the other, wooden plastic buildings
Only thing you need to buy is glue and paint.
then take a knife, go through the garbage until you find some foampackage, cut it to shape, cover it in glue, go to the next playground, roll it through sand, stick some small twigs in equal distances into it and paint it.
will probably look better than that one...
no, I am joking of course
prime product, worth it's money...
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Hi folks : )
First ever post here!
Cheers for the compliment on the painting mike!
I'm not averse to building models out of 'stuff'
But do value this one...It would take me time to get the
Texture in the walls especially the dome. The stairs are handy too. The jugs and plate help too.
Maybe not every bodies cup of tea but it does 'work'.
I think I will use it to supplement my st elmo building
Will check on price. Salute will bring multi buy deals for sure.
Cheers : )
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The dome is good and the stairs. The jugs and plate help too.
That makes it so much better.
Everyone's happy to pay for jugs :~}
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Very fond of jugs : )
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oh, the jugs are part of it? well, that changes the deal totally.
Now they even can sell the jug sprue separately ;)
well, they could make it an accessory to the muslim civilian set
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You get the awning too.
You can't get too much table ware on a spru
IMHO : )
My plan is to use the stairs as access to the ramparts to the fort I'm building and the remaining block house placed in the central courtyard.
The awning I will cut in half for shaded areas in the courtyard ..
One side fixed to a wall.
The kit has solved quite a few problems for me in 'dressing'
My self build.
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(http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/x396/carvel2/Mobile%20Uploads/image-72.jpg)
Clearer picture of the dome/stairs
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That makes it so much better.
Everyone's happy to pay for jugs :~}
lol lol lol
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I'm in two minds as to whether those are meant to be exposed mud bricks on those models or sandbags. From the photo, they look sod all like the former and much more like the latter but their placement suggests otherwise.
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They are bricks for sure Carlos
Apologies that my picture doesn't make that clear for you.
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No probs. A bit rounded aren't they or is that just a trick of the light? I 've seen people making mud bricks, lots of them as it happens and they generally use a wood former, which is er.. brick shaped not pillow shaped. They are also (usually) a fair bit smaller than those appear to avoid overly long drying times, which invites cracking.
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Wow! I didn't realise in had posted a topic on TMP by mistake!
Oh wait, I haven't, this is actually the legendary LAF...
Way to make the new guy feel welcome! :-[
I don't mind people disagreeing or not liking the posted item but there are ways of doing it, anyone would think that Renedra had caused the world banking crisis or something, not made a plastic model kit.
Yes, you personally could maybe make 3-4 foamcoare kits for the same price, but not everyone has the time, skills or inclination.
No, Renedra are really not the profiteering spawn of the perceived evil empire (GW). If you took 5 minutes to chat to them, at a show, on the phone or via email you would learn that they are anything but that.
Plastic kits cost a lot of money to tool. The average full Size sprue is pretty much at round the £5-7 mark, whosever is making it.
Just to clarify I personally have no stake in Renedra or any other miniatures company.
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Sorry. Welcome aboard. The criticism isn't aimed at you, rather the model itself, which seems to be a bit less than we have come to expect of Renendra.
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Carvel2, are you the modeller for these? Any chance of sharing other things that you have made, if so? :D
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@mikeland
how can You take criticism on a model building company personally? You posted pictures of a new model, forumites had seen that couple of months before and commented similarly sceptical. You did not even paint it and noone commented on the paint job, so how is this about a welcome to You?
the scepticism has a reason, and it is basically directed at the marketing choice of an otherwise well liked scale model company. It is not even mainly about the sculpt, but about the fact that obviously a lot of people think that it does not stand up against other "desert buildings" available in the market, so there is actually no reason to spend a lot of money on those sprues (also because many here already made their desert buildings and can judge the effort making it). Look at the Italeri 1/72 desert house, it was a lot more interesting and still they took it of the market because it probably sold badly.
but how can You take that personally?
I am never shy of apologizing if I wrote something ambigious but in this case I don't see the point. nobody threw anything at You....
Every now and then, when one of us was too lazy when posting a new topic and someone has a bad day, we might get a snarky comment like: "hey dude, we had that topic grazed over two months ago, please do use the search engine". You didn't even get that one, so what are You complaining about?
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Wasn't referring to myself as the new guy.
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same goes for @carvel2 too, since he did the nice painting and not the renedra building, if I get that right.
so, welcome to the forum
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Calm, calm, calm... :)
It's hard to tell from a couple of small photos. I'll be interested to see it in the flesh at Salute.
I have a big pile of resin adobes from various makers, and I must say this doesn't look particularly brilliant by comparison. But we shall see.
I think perhaps the look of it is just a bit unexpected from Renedra. Their previous buildings have all been extremely finely detailed - indeed, too small and finely detailed for some people's tastes, including mine. Whereas this one looks a bit clunky. But maybe that's just the nature of the building. Adobes are kind of crude looking after all...
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@former user
How can I not take criticism of a plastic model making company and their product personally, it is personal, very personal!! Nah, I didn't take that stuff personally at all, I am happy to debate the pros and cons of such triviality till the cows come home. lol
I have lurked on here for a long time, and only posted a few times in the 5 months since I actually signed up, and I confess I was surprised by the wave of negativity this thread generated. I had used the search function to see if there was a pervious topic about this I could just add to, but I couldn't find anything (my google fu must have been weak). And I was possibly a bit embarrassed In that I had bigged up the idea of posting Carvels pictures on here to him, and the response was not great.
So, apologies if I have been a bit over sensitive. Certainly not my intention to create a ruckus or anything.
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come on... ;)
not my business to give advice on forum etiquette lol
but a different title might have been less "plug implicating", like:
look how well a friend of mine polished this turd :D
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Hmmmm....
I suppose I could have gone with "Check out my mates plastic jugs" :D
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actually I personally would welcome any affordable plastic sprue with a good variation of 28mm pottery. Apart from the barrels (here the renedra ones aren't very convincing either), there isn't anything more ubiquitous than jugs...
I think now I have to say: "I'll get my coat"
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Hi joroas...
I have some threads on warlord that give an overview of my fettling.
The mud brick house I will canabalise for this project..
Ravelin at st elmo
http://www.warlordgames.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=10035&p=161073&hilit=St+elmo&sid=c6ad39f13eb6e55ab5ca71c86fd22975#p161073 (http://www.warlordgames.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=10035&p=161073&hilit=St+elmo&sid=c6ad39f13eb6e55ab5ca71c86fd22975#p161073)
Another on a roman villa
http://www.warlordgames.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=4969&hilit=Roman+villa (http://www.warlordgames.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=4969&hilit=Roman+villa)
Similar...
(http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/x396/carvel2/P1020107.jpg)
(http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/x396/carvel2/image-28.jpg)
(http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/x396/carvel2/DSC03378.jpg)
(http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/x396/carvel2/P1000518.jpg)
As to opinions on the building. I like it. I also like the renedra barrels + gabbions. But the world takes a lot of different tastes. Not worried. Each to their own.
Hope the pictures are of some entertainment...please feel free to resurrect the warlord threads...it would be quite funny.
Have a great weekend.
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(http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/x396/carvel2/DSC02526.jpg)
You have me on a nostalgia run now..... :)
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Your collection is absolutely stunning
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Cheers :D
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Yes, that is a gorgeous collection.
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Carvel you are being modest... Post some pictures of the Malta fort!
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(http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/x396/carvel2/image-35.jpg)
Over view
(http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/x396/carvel2/image-33.jpg)
Closer
(http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/x396/carvel2/image-34.jpg)
Long shot
It's a work in progress.
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when it's finished it will look great!
it already does actually
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Thankyou gentlemen.
Mostly all my scratch builds are made from foam board and bits. The roman bridge from a popular high street chain's coffee stirrers ;)
So...my last thought would be, considering the forums positive response to my model building skills, that this kit from Renedra does have a place in the choices to liven up a table. I found it to be a very useful addition. It would deliver even more satisfaction to a gamer with less scratch model building capacity. It's definitely worth considering if you are after an easy to build and versatile building of this type.
Thanks again for the positive feedback on my pictures folks.
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Hey Carvel,
Welcome aboard and it is nice to see the progress on your fort...looking brilliant. I am quite surprised about the 'not very positive' comments, as I came here when the Warlord forum got a bit ridiculous, oh and I found more and more I didn't like their products that much...
Hopefully you will drop in again,
Westwaller.
Hello to Mikeland too. :)
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Lovely work Carvel, that fort is a cracker.
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Well I had a look at the Renedra/Perry adobe at Salute yesterday, and I would say it is a very nice model indeed, offering quite a bit of flexibility, and surprisingly chunky looking.
I was sceptical about this product, given the wide range of 28mm adobe buildings already available in resin, but having seen it in the flesh, if I was buying adobes now (I'm not, I already have about two dozen) I wouldn't hesitate to add a few of these.
£16 each. Multi-buy deals available.
The equivalent resin adobe house from Grand Manner is £30.
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interesting...
there is this guy on ebay who sells ready painted middleeastern buildings
for up to 16£ per piece doesn't look like he's selling off his collection...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/tinned-fruit/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_ipg=&_from=
or the miniature building authority, with Grand Manner prices but for painted buildings...
http://www.miniaturebuildingauthority.com/products.asp?cat=25mm+Middle+Eastern+Series&pg=2
or this ebay-seller, ready painted too, but larger compounds
http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/Table-Top-Historical-/123860/m.html?item=321377210793&hash=item4ad39311a9&pt=UK_Toys_Wargames_RL&_ssn=tinned-pears&_dcat=123860&Options=28mm&rt=nc
Grand Manner is of course the top of the resin price list....
I still do not think the Renedra kit is worth it's price on the market, even if it looks good
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Oh I don't know, I'd rather buy this one than the Sarissa MDF 'adobe' house for 12 squid. Talk about silly...
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Good grief, a business attempts to make a (non GW sized) profit on one of it's products & people tip a bucket over them!. :o
Rendra are likely to know what the market will bear ......
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Yeah, but there's quality besides profit, and people are entitled to weigh the two and judge the value of said product to them. ;)
I don't mind it too much, won't refuse to play if someone plonks it on the table. :) But... maybe it's the paintjob, the lumpiness (well, it is an adobe-style building, but still), and the ill-fitting extra walls, but I think I could whip up similar or better meself, for a bit more time but much less outlay.
Nice crockery, though.
And nice fort, Carvel. :-*