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Miniatures Adventure => The Second World War => Topic started by: pacofeanor on May 08, 2014, 07:34:25 PM
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First of three ccombat group ,those miniatures are very nice to paint , i've got 10 men , two are missing, the lmg and VB grenade luncher (Gorgon miniature if you read it .....). I wonder to know if there will be an helmeted pack to mix with those ones ?
(http://i58.servimg.com/u/f58/13/24/33/11/p1010039.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=238&u=13243311)
more on my blog (english language inside!)
best regards
paco
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tres bien fait!
congratulations!
so the second one will be with anoraks...
did You use army painter dip?
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Thx former user !
Next there will be anorak yes! but for "chasseurs alpins" (blue berets) as i only found photos of FFL with sheep skin jackets (essentialy at the landing on Bjerwik and near Narvik),or "ski jackets" in hot weather .
best regards
paco
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what are ski jackets?
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There are three jackets in the "mountain dress" , sheep skin jacket, and anorak (white /green).
"blouson de skieur" :
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oh, wow, THX a lot
in the drawing they have a hood, but the picture of the original doesn't show any.....
but noone makes the ski jackets....
I thought these could be useful
(http://brigadegames.3dcartstores.com/assets/images/BrigadeGames/BG-WIWF09_lg.jpg)
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The hood is removable so you can do them with or without!
yes the BG chasseurs are quite good! but i hope for Gorgon to realise chasseurs with ski jacket and special gaiters ...... ;)
best regards
paco
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:)
hope dies last....
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These look great! I just got a batch of them myself and am priming them for painting.
I would buy the ski troops myself, but I have to wonder if it's profitable for Gorgon to come out with another beret-clad unit where the only difference is a few bits of kit. Only a real expert, such as yourself, would notice the difference. You might be better off trying to convert the FFL troops for now or using the BG ones?
On a sidenote, I saw an interesting documentary on World War II in Scandinavia the other day, and it noted that none of the French ski troops actually got to ski because the quartermaster forgot to include their ski straps in the supplies! lol
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that is an interesting note....
I thought it was more because of the time of the year and because they were involved in landing operations only. Initially they had been trained as intervention force for Finnland and there is documentary footage where the loading of the ski equipment is clearly to be seen. Besides, there was only a small ski reconaissance unit as I understand....
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Interesting point that you bring up about the time of year. Most of the photos I've seen from the battles have shown semi snowy terrain, but I don't know if it would be thick enough to ski on. In general, I was planning on using my snow mat for games in this theater, but I wonder if that's actually appropriate?
I also found an interesting color video on YouTube that shows what looks like authentic footage from the British assault and some French soldiers wearing the sheepskin jackets. It looks to me like their pants are green.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bofwY6ZA6iI
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THX for the link.
the footage is not genuinely coloured, it is a remix and part of it is from french newsreels featured in this other link we had about the 13e DBLE.
So what we see of the landing operations is from Bjerkvik, which btw suffered heavy bombardment and civilian casualties from the Allied fleet....
Can't say anything about the snow, when I played this in Panzergeneral it was snowy lol
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In fact , the finland expedition was canceled, and troops on the way to north east frontier when the Norway expedition started. troops had three days to go to Brest and go on boats (wich were late too!) so they jump in one boat while the spacial snow equipment were through inside another boat etc .....
so iff at the start some impotant equipment were missing (essentialy in Namsos!) in Narvik troops find a great part of their gears (but not al!) . Particularly the SES of 13° DBLE and SES of chasseurs alpins (6°BCA ) used their skis in combat , with violent fighting just before the fall of Narvik and after for the march to Sueden . In a snowy area of mountains .
The father of one of my friend was awarded of the "war cross" for galantry at his machinegun (6°BCA) and remind the cold weather and all his friends with frozen feet !
best regards
paco
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Good to know gents. Thanks again for your expertise. :)
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hey, then Panzergeneral was well researched after all! lol
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Were the Germans using French 25mm AT guns in that clip? ???
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On a sidenote, I saw an interesting documentary on World War II in Scandinavia the other day, and it noted that none of the French ski troops actually got to ski because the quartermaster forgot to include their ski straps in the supplies! lol
I'll bet they were piste off. So how did they manage the apres ski drinks party? :D
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Breaking my own rules here, but your enthusiasm must be rewarded-
(http://i683.photobucket.com/albums/vv195/RedScorpions/image.jpeg) (http://s683.photobucket.com/user/RedScorpions/media/image.jpeg.html)
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when will they be available?
You have a batch order incoming....
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Beatifull (and essential !) miniatures !
will order theme as soon as they are on line!
Thx you very much!
best regards
paco
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how many LMG per section?
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One per "groupe" three groups per section .
best regards
paco
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In stock now with the other May releases.
May not show up on the webcart for another week.
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One per "groupe" three groups per section .
so one per 12 soldiers?
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Group order time then?
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unless there is nothing else in the pipeline, definitely
is there something else in the pipeline?
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Always!
but not set for release in May-
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don't be so cryptic....
anything foreign legion in the near future worth delaying an order for three people?
and since I am asking - how about a set of mules together with a FL soldier?
or just make a generic pack with two or three mules?
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Love the idea of a generic mule..... lol
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Fantastic! Looking forward to see what else is available this month and for them to be available in the store as I am ready to purchase now.
I understand shipping is high outside of United States and Canada, but typically these small companies rely on investment to expand their ranges. It's important if you're interested in the range to support it early rather than waiting until the range is "complete," because early investment is what keeps the range expanding. Now that we have everything we need to do a full platoon, maybe it's better to buy now than to hold off? It could take several years before the range is really "complete" and whether or not there are more figures could depend on how well it sells right now. I'm guessing this is one of the reasons that there aren't that many Norwegians ;)
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Platoon deals all round?
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As I have had so many emails with requests for figures to add to the order, could everybody that wants to come in on this order please send me the following by pm:
1. Name - address - email
2. What you want - numbers of units and totals. Inc new hmg units....
I will then total everything up and see where we are with Gorgon...
Pip pip
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mules for Narvik? there You are
(http://www.oocities.org/athens/8088/mule.jpg)
(http://www.ecpad.fr/wp-content/gallery/norvege/03_MARINE-219-3070.jpg)
and while we are at it, may I suggest one or two sets of heads are cast up? simply from the miniatures already available? I guess it would happen quicker before any new legionaires with helmets are sculpted, and I wouldn't mind some beret heads with goggles for Bir Hakeim....
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Following unit , for my 13° DBLE, the "skiers- scouts " combat group, dressed with white/green "anorak" type jackets . Bases are finished with snow.
(http://i39.servimg.com/u/f39/13/24/33/11/p1010014.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=252&u=13243311)
next, artillery , tanks etc ......
more photos on my blog !
best regards
paco
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oh, how wonderful!
I've got mine too, but they will have to wait until probably next year, and they offer a wonderful tie-in with the Hobbyboss landing craft and the sailors that will be part of the next project!
So, THX Colonel Bagshot, Mason and Gorgon miniatures!
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i'm thinking of a landing craft too ! with a H39 inside !! and gebirgsjagers /fallshirmajagers to fight against !
best regards
paco
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paco, have you :
modified a rifle figure in VB ?
received lmg minis ?
any idea for a 60mm mortar?
any idea for artillery ?
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paco, have you :
modified a rifle figure in VB ? not yet
received lmg minis ? not order yet
any idea for a 60mm mortar? yes, as i don't know if Gorgon will realise mortar, hotchkis, 75mm gun, 25 mm AC gun etc ....( i hope they will !!!!)
i will use warlords or crusader ones as their are photos of those type of troops in the comon uniform , if Gorgon expend the range to heavy weapons i will paint it and keep the other for comon french 1940 units!
best regards
paco
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thanks ... ;)
i'm waiting for the SES
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Red Star have the actual 60mm mortars but the crew are in tropical gear and US helmets.
paco, have you :
modified a rifle figure in VB ?
received lmg minis ?
any idea for a 60mm mortar?
any idea for artillery ?
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paco, have you given a look to battle honors french alpine infantry?
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what would be so wrong with these?
(http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0288/8306/products/wgb-be-26-ca-frc-mortar-e_1024x1024.jpeg?v=1397473494)
(http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0288/8306/products/wgb-be-25-chasard-47mmat-d_1024x1024.jpeg?v=1383692324)
best proxies I can think about
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beret on the wrong side , that's my first impression ;)
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I understand what You mean, but pictures and miniatures do not show a specific side....
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chasseurs ardennais wore a "german look" brotbeutel, and canteen , on the wrong side, and have pockets on chest (only french officers had pockets on chest) and wrong gaiters .
the first line troops were equiped with special mountain equipements but second line (mortars, heavy weapons, artillery) not , they wore more classical uniforms with helmets.
While i'm waiting for gorgon french heavy weapons (but helmeted "sheepskin" french before!!!!!!) i will use classical warlord or crusaders minis .
best regards
paco
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paco, have you given a look to battle honors french alpine infantry?
I'v given a look and they can't fit well for Narvik , they would be better for WWI !! "chasseurs fought on two front , Narvik (with special mountain uniforms, not those on redoubt minis!) and France in june (with the universal french coat and helmets , not the dress on redoubt minis again .......)
but i'm looking at the redoubt motorised infantry for another "army " as they don't exist anywhere else (warlord if you read me ......) !!
best regards
paco
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About 2500 sailors from sunken German ships (“Marine-Battalion Erdmenger”) A.K.A ”die Gebirgsmarine”) This included the surviving crewmembers of “U64”, who later adapted the “Edelweiss” as their symbol of their next U-boat.
arghhh can't found many pics
A rare shot of a German kriegsmarine soldier in a Norwegian uniform. Photo is taken in Narvik. The reason for this was that the survivours from the sunken Zerstoerers captured the depot at Elvegaardsmoen with Norwegian uniforms and used them in lack of German uniforms. Several of these "Gebirgsmarine" soldiers where later executed by Polish and French soldiers. I know that German u-boatcrew sometimes used british battle tunics instead of german tunics, but this is the only time I have heard that land forces used the enemy's uniform.
(http://www.nuav.net/Norw.JPG)
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/68dcad7d2d5596021691c85b9aacab77/tumblr_midl46SMkk1qa38yao1_r1_500.jpg)
(http://www.ecpad.fr/wp-content/gallery/norvege/12_DAM-70-L34.jpg)
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/3b5be8c22d07c94122e0be9a99ff75de/tumblr_midkr60CMw1qa38yao1_500.jpg)
(http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/8674/20654881.jpg)
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so, ships sink ans survivors probably can't save much eqipment besides what they are wearing, so what could be more logical than to use whatever was at hand - the norwegian stuff was probably even better suited for the cold weather...
and besides, if You cut off the badges, a uniform is basically a uniform...
but wait! this means that with some spare heads of german sailors, we can convert Blitzkrieg Norwegians to some very special units....
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This topic is becoming very, very interesting I must say 8) 8) 8)
Darrell.
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waoooouuuuu ! beautifull pictures of mixed fallschirmjagers/ gebirgsjegers / kriegsmarine sailors !! i like the second and fourth ones (i had the others) that have been taken on the battle field, combat equipments, beardy soldiers, dirty uniforms etc .......very interesting !!
best regards
paco
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yep, i 'm thinking of a mixed unit , even using some brigade games uboat crew ;)
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yep, i 'm thinking of a mixed unit , even using some brigade games uboat crew ;)
A great idea!
waoooouuuuu ! beautifull pictures of mixed fallschirmjagers/ gebirgsjegers / kriegsmarine sailors !! i like the second and fourth ones (i had the others) that have been taken on the battle field, combat equipments, beardy soldiers, dirty uniforms etc .......very interesting !!
Are you thinking of adding some beards to some of the models Paco?
Darrell.
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unshaven, yes, gritty
but for the groomed beards: the Gebirgsjäger were the only ones allowed to wear beards in the wehrmacht.
Brigade games/Artizan U-boot crew are made by the same sculptor
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unshaven, yes, gritty
but for the groomed beards: the Gebirgsjäger were the only ones allowed to wear beards in the wehrmacht.
Brigade games/Artizan U-boot crew are made by the same sculptor
He's right you know! They would fit together so well- three cheers for good old Mike Owen!!
Darrell.
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Those figures are sitting on my painting table to be used in a CoC scenario from a TFL Special.
yep, i 'm thinking of a mixed unit , even using some brigade games uboat crew ;)
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just 2 questions ...
i'm planning to build some landing crafts for the FFL and 342cacc Hotchkiss H39 tanks .
they were royal navy one .
any idea of a suitable sailor ? (2 figs crew / landing craft )
any idea of suitable german mountain artillery too ?
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just 2 questions ...
i'm planning to build some landing crafts for the FFL and 342cacc Hotchkiss H39 tanks .
they were royal navy one .
any idea of a suitable sailor ? (2 figs crew / landing craft )
any idea of suitable german mountain artillery too ?
Have you got a pic of the landing craft Paco? Just out of interest.... I wonder what type they used that early on in the war?
Darrell.
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these
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3483/4007799383_15dbda46c0.jpg)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/51/The_Royal_Navy_during_the_Second_World_War-_the_Dieppe_Raid%2C_August_1942_A11228.jpg)
probably operated by Royal Navy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LCM_1
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_Landing_Craft
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these
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3483/4007799383_15dbda46c0.jpg)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/51/The_Royal_Navy_during_the_Second_World_War-_the_Dieppe_Raid%2C_August_1942_A11228.jpg)
probably operated by Royal Navy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LCM_1
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_Landing_Craft
Interesting.... really! My Grandad was in the Navy and involved in the buggered up landings in Norway. I know he involved at Dunkirk (not sure in what capacity- he talked at length about how surreal it was to have tracer rounds just missing the boat and his head!) and was a bosun (I think that's the term) on a landing craft at Normandy too.
I wonder if he were alive now if it would bring memories flooding back(?).
Darrell.
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3 types of landing crafts were used in Norway
5MLC ( the first pic in former user answer )
1LCM mk1 ( the left one in the second pic )
4 LCA
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/ca/Wounded_being_helped_onto_a_landing_craft.jpg/607px-Wounded_being_helped_onto_a_landing_craft.jpg)
2 of the MLC and the LCM were used for the landing of 3 Hotchkiss H39 of the 342 CACC , followed by an initial force of around 120 legionnaries of the 13th DBMLE in the 4 LCA ... on the beach of Bjerkvik
and yes, they were Royal Navy ones ;) , and it was succesfull ...
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actually, i'm trying to convince mad bob (http://madbobminiatures.blogspot.co.uk/) to make a 1/56 Renault UE
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a0/Renault-UE-Saumur.00048b3a.jpg)
it's a pity , there is no renault UE in 1/56 scale .
they were used by France, Germany, Italy, Poland , Romania, and even Thailand .
artillery tractor , supply vehicle to provide frontline positions with ammunition and other necessities while under artillery fire, and some crazy prototypes ...
if someone is interested , let me know .
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there was some guy who made some generic ones that resembled those. I was actually thinking of making proxy lorraines from italian 1/72 tanks...
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i have ordered 1 lorraine 37 for my 342 CACC
and 2 laffly w15t ...
i'll make some pics
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Interesting-
I thought there was a special infantry carrying trailer as well.
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renault UE was not used as a tractor for infantry trailer .
it was the lorraine 38L who was the armoured personnel carrier with an armoured infantry trailer .
(http://moderndrawings.jexiste.be/WW2Drawings/Images/1-Vehicles(bis)/France/Files/08-Others/LrS/LrS_01.Tanks.jpg)
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The Lorraine 38 was an armoured vehicule for motorised infantry "chasseurs portés" only.
Those four bataillons were part of four "heavy" reserve armoured division: "division cuirassée de réserve" DCR (one batallion per division)
the most famous was the 4th DCR that was commanded by general De Gaule in a famous counter attck on Abbeville. unfortunatly the division, the last to be created, didn't received the Lorraine 38 and the "chasseurs portés" were mounted on civilian bus !!
The Lorraine 37 was only a servisable vehicule for amunition or fuel in the tank batallions (so there were lorraine 37 in Narvik with the 342th CACC (h39) tank company)
the tracteur renault UE was used for 25mm AT guns (or 40 mm AT gun for the happy few that had one !!), to bring amunitions to the front etc ... in infantry compagnies not for men .
best regards
paco
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looking at a french "ministère de la guerre" movie "narvik, 1ere opération de débarquement" , i have found some shots of the german naval artillery mounted on railway flatcars :
(http://i39.servimg.com/u/f39/11/63/95/43/canonn10.png)
(http://i39.servimg.com/u/f39/11/63/95/43/canonn11.png)
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every frikking way you look, improvised guns on rails....
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improvised guns on rails....
but quite efficient , used at the entrance of the tunnel .
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quite efficient everywhere, actually