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Title: Vehicle colours for white russian vehicles in BOB
Post by: dodge on July 14, 2008, 11:14:19 AM
Hi Guys

I have a Rolls Royce Armoured car and a Vickers medium tank that I want to use for my White Army in Back of beyond.

What Colour schemes would you recommend.

My 7 year old daughter thinks that pink would be good but she is a girl who likes pink in everything.

Any advice gratefully accepted.

Cheers

Dodge

Title: Re: Vehicle colours for white russian vehicles in BOB
Post by: Boggler on July 14, 2008, 01:28:00 PM
Russian tank green or a light grey would work well.
Title: Re: Vehicle colours for white russian vehicles in BOB
Post by: dodge on July 14, 2008, 01:29:27 PM
Thanks boggler I was hoping it would be green or grey.


You aren't far away from me do you play bob a lot?

Dodge
Title: Re: Vehicle colours for white russian vehicles in BOB
Post by: joroas on July 14, 2008, 01:41:14 PM
........although pink would be nice. with sky blue highlights for the boys................. lol
Title: Re: Vehicle colours for white russian vehicles in BOB
Post by: Boggler on July 14, 2008, 01:43:47 PM
Yes, my local club (Wessex Wargamers Winchester) has run one BoB campaign in the past and we're starting a new one in October. Individually, we also play one off games now and then. If you fancy a game sometime and aren't too far away in the wilds of Dorset, then you'd be very welcome to come along to the club. I'm sure we could run a BoB game for you to join in on. We meet every Tuesday evening between 7pm and 11pm at the Badger Farm community centre in Winchester (next to Sainsburys).

Jim
Title: Re: Vehicle colours for white russian vehicles in BOB
Post by: Poliorketes on July 14, 2008, 01:56:35 PM
Pink with hello Kitty badges.

Apart from grey and green you might use the original british camouflage. The whites hadn't always the time to paint them new. I'm not sure they used Rolls Royce, but everything is possible.
Title: Re: Vehicle colours for white russian vehicles in BOB
Post by: Plynkes on July 14, 2008, 03:21:18 PM
Also, didn't the Vickers medium tank come along too late to have been used by the White Russians?

I'm not telling, I'm asking. Don't have much knowledge in this area at all.
Title: Re: Vehicle colours for white russian vehicles in BOB
Post by: Poliorketes on July 14, 2008, 06:16:53 PM
Right, the british delivered Mk V and Whippets, and very few Medium B.
Title: Re: Vehicle colours for white russian vehicles in BOB
Post by: carlos marighela on July 14, 2008, 07:09:32 PM
Also, didn't the Vickers medium tank come along too late to have been used by the White Russians?


Yes.
Title: Re: Vehicle colours for white russian vehicles in BOB
Post by: dodge on July 14, 2008, 07:21:43 PM
Also, didn't the Vickers medium tank come along too late to have been used by the White Russians?

I'm not telling, I'm asking. Don't have much knowledge in this area at all.
Right, the british delivered Mk V and Whippets, and very few Medium B.

You are probably right on all counts. I dunno at all, they all looked nice and I wanted no sorry........ needed them. So I thought I might be able to work them into a campaign which would be mid to late 20's. I try not to worry too much about historical accuracy unless it's obvious.

Can you do BoB crossed with Pulp sort of Bulp or PoB.

Could there have been some entrepreneurial middle men floating about somewhere?

'ere Ivan you need a tank I can getcha a tank..............

If there can't be then I'm buggered  lol and I'll pretend there could be  :-I

Thank you for your help though.

I'm currently fleshing out some quick senarios for my chinese I have enough for two armies of 50 each.

Plus some Whites I have around 50 of those.

Two HLBS Pulitovs and these two which seem to work well together.

I thought two warlords having a spat and then the whites forging their own little empire, with my friend Khartoums reds forging their own empire.

Oh and I forgot about my train aswell.

So lots of scope.......

It's been 12 months of prep but we are almost there.

Thanks again guys your jolly nice :D

Dodge

My son is 3 and would like the sky blue highlights and maybe the pink too  ::) but we don't talk about that  lol

Title: Re: Vehicle colours for white russian vehicles in BOB
Post by: Boggler on July 15, 2008, 08:07:20 AM
It's the Back of Beyond so, provided you pay for your toys and can explain away their appearance in a reasonably convincing way, you can use whatever you like.

My Bolsheviks have a Rolls Royce armoured car, which they probably didn't have in working order at least, and my Japanese are getting an Austin armoured car, which they did have but isn't in the Japanese list. We've even created a couple of new army lists for our campaigns based on existing ones, namely the Czech Legion and a French Trans Asia Expedition, the latter based on the dinosaur hunter list but with Citroen Kegresse half tracks and an escort of French Colonial troops.

It's what makes it a fun game after all  ;D
Title: Re: Vehicle colours for white russian vehicles in BOB
Post by: Boggler on July 15, 2008, 08:08:34 AM
I forgot to add this link to the club yahoo group:

http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/wessexwargamerswinchester/

Feel free to sign up and have a look around.
Title: Re: Vehicle colours for white russian vehicles in BOB
Post by: dodge on July 15, 2008, 08:25:16 AM
Thanks Boggler.

Makes me feel a lot better.

I have put my request in to join your group on yahoo. If I get the chance I will try to pop over to winchester.

I live in between Ringwood and Christchurch so not too far away.

Dodge
Title: Re: Vehicle colours for white russian vehicles in BOB
Post by: Plynkes on July 15, 2008, 08:44:40 AM
Sorry Dodge, wasn't meaning to have a go at you. I was curious about the tank thing myself, that's all really.

There's nothing wrong with imaginary armies and invented conflicts with a near-real world setting, I do that kind of thing myself. While my Western Front Great War games are pretty historical, so far my WWI African adventures have all been made-up battles in fictional colonies. That way you don't have to play strictly by the book, and can add the odd thing that would make the game more fun. Like U-Boats. Almost any scenario can be improved by adding a U-Boat.

Such as the Battle of Naseby, for instance.  :)

Title: Re: Vehicle colours for white russian vehicles in BOB
Post by: 1ngram on July 15, 2008, 09:08:21 AM
I've seen a photo of a R/R armoured car in red hands somewhere recently on the net so they certainly had at least one. And that allows me to get a Copplestone one!  Whoop-dee-doo!
Title: Re: Vehicle colours for white russian vehicles in BOB
Post by: Boggler on July 15, 2008, 09:17:35 AM
Dodge,

You'd be welcome anytime. Let us know when and we'll set up a game for you.

Incidentally, there are some nice colour shades for Russian armoured cars here:

http://gunpoint-3d.com/list-acars.html
Title: Re: Vehicle colours for white russian vehicles in BOB
Post by: dodge on July 15, 2008, 10:37:54 AM
Sorry Dodge, wasn't meaning to have a go at you. I was curious about the tank thing myself, that's all really.

There's nothing wrong with imaginary armies and invented conflicts with a near-real world setting, I do that kind of thing myself. While my Western Front Great War games are pretty historical, so far my WWI African adventures have all been made-up battles in fictional colonies. That way you don't have to play strictly by the book, and can add the odd thing that would make the game more fun. Like U-Boats. Almost any scenario can be improved by adding a U-Boat.

Such as the Battle of Naseby, for instance.  :)

Plynkes.

No worries, I didn't take any offence at all, I think that is the problem with the written word. I tried to make my reply as light as possible. It became rather long winded in th end.

All the comments were very helpful thats the beauty of this forum.

Made up battles is what I like which is why I fell into Back of beyond and Pulp because you can get away with it.

So don't worry, I only tend to take offence when people are truly mean to me.

 lol




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Title: Re: Vehicle colours for white russian vehicles in BOB
Post by: carlos marighela on July 16, 2008, 04:03:33 AM
Sorry Dodge, wasn't meaning to have a go at you. I was curious about the tank thing myself, that's all really.

There's nothing wrong with imaginary armies and invented conflicts with a near-real world setting, I do that kind of thing myself. While my Western Front Great War games are pretty historical, so far my WWI African adventures have all been made-up battles in fictional colonies. That way you don't have to play strictly by the book, and can add the odd thing that would make the game more fun. Like U-Boats. Almost any scenario can be improved by adding a U-Boat.

Such as the Battle of Naseby, for instance.  :)



Hate to be a prig Plynkes but it was Edgehill that featured a U Boat, not Naseby. It  was just after it surfaced that Charles I slunk off and hid in an elderberry bush.
Title: Re: Vehicle colours for white russian vehicles in BOB
Post by: carlos marighela on July 16, 2008, 06:08:46 AM
Actually since we are on the subject of [paint schemes here's a site with some nice schemes for the Vickers Medium series, might provide some inspiration.

http://armorshipaircraft.blogspot.com/2008/07/vickers-medium-mk-i-ii.html
Title: Re: Vehicle colours for white russian vehicles in BOB
Post by: dodge on July 16, 2008, 08:07:47 AM
Actually since we are on the subject of [paint schemes here's a site with some nice schemes for the Vickers Medium series, might provide some inspiration.

http://armorshipaircraft.blogspot.com/2008/07/vickers-medium-mk-i-ii.html

Thanks Carlos that's a good link. ;)

Seems to bear out green grey or desert yellow

Thank you.



Ddoge
Title: Re: Vehicle colours for white russian vehicles in BOB
Post by: dodge on July 16, 2008, 08:35:53 AM
I found out about the vickers when he e-mailed me.

He said it was a good pulp tank and has it listed in high adventure on his website.

I put it together last night with the rolls royce a/c really straight forward very enjoyable.

Only problem was the front mud guards on the A/c didn't work as well as the picture but hey the impression is there.

But you ar eright about the medium mark b it would have been a better choice maybe. Although the vickers being a old hlbs kit was probably easier to release quickly.

Dodge
Title: Re: Vehicle colours for white russian vehicles in BOB
Post by: Plynkes on July 16, 2008, 08:43:55 AM
Oops. Sorry, I deleted my post (Dodge hadn't replied to it when I did), as I didn't think it contributed anything to the discussion, took us off-topic at a tangent, and was slightly negative in tone, which I'm trying to cut down on. Sorry about that.

I was also musing about how much fun it would be to have a Medium Mark B in 28mm:

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/Plynkes/Medium_Mk_B.jpg)
So lovably-useless looking!

(Thought I'd bring that bit back in, as Dodge had already replied to it.)
Title: Re: Vehicle colours for white russian vehicles in BOB
Post by: Boggler on July 16, 2008, 08:50:00 AM
A good scratchbuilding project? It's basically a rhomboid shape after all. If a few concessions were made for the sake of simplicity the only real problems would be all those rivets and the tracks.
Title: Re: Vehicle colours for white russian vehicles in BOB
Post by: Plynkes on July 16, 2008, 10:05:57 AM
I don't want one that badly.  :)

If a manufacturer were to produce one, I would probably buy it. As it is a Great War tank that wasn't actually used in the Great War I have little or no purpose for owning one, I just love the way they look. RCW and the Irish situation hold no interest for me, gaming wise, so it is a bit of a scratch-building non-starter really.
Title: Re: Vehicle colours for white russian vehicles in BOB
Post by: dodge on July 16, 2008, 10:17:40 AM
Looking at these tanks I find it fascinating to see how they developed from very simple armoured shells through to turrets. You can certainly see in that mark b the move in thought processes to ww2 and beyond.

Maybe I'm being silly.
Title: Re: Vehicle colours for white russian vehicles in BOB
Post by: Plynkes on July 16, 2008, 10:26:14 AM
There was also the Medium Mark C:

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/Plynkes/mediumc.jpg)

And Mark D:

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/Plynkes/MediumD-Modified.jpg)

There's almost no end to the number of interesting tanks that there really isn't any point in making a wargaming model of, but that I'd quite like to have anyway.  :)
Title: Re: Vehicle colours for white russian vehicles in BOB
Post by: dodge on July 16, 2008, 10:34:23 AM
There was also the Medium Mark C:

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/Plynkes/mediumc.jpg)

And Mark D:

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/Plynkes/MediumD-Modified.jpg)

There's almost no end to the number of interesting tanks that there really isn't any point in making a wargaming model of, but that I'd quite like to have anyway.  :)

That's exactly what I mean you can see in these two shots some further experimenting on where the turret should go and what the tank should look like.

Excellent stuff love it.

Dodge
Title: Re: Vehicle colours for white russian vehicles in BOB
Post by: Boggler on July 16, 2008, 10:59:03 AM
The Mark C would be an easier option perhaps?

Incidentally, I got my Copplestone tank in the post today  :D

Very nice.
Title: Re: Vehicle colours for white russian vehicles in BOB
Post by: dodge on July 16, 2008, 11:01:33 AM
The Mark C would be an easier option perhaps?

Incidentally, I got my Copplestone tank in the post today  :D

Very nice.

It is nice only took me 20 mins to put it all together..

Dodge
Title: Re: Vehicle colours for white russian vehicles in BOB
Post by: leadfool on February 20, 2009, 07:18:27 AM
You might also check out the "All Fronts Armor" website for resin tanks.  In the WWII section they have a number of useful WWI/BOB vehicles like the Rolls Royce armored car, some French, Russian. Italian and German Armored cars as well as FT-17 tanks.
Title: Re: Vehicle colours for white russian vehicles in BOB
Post by: Altius on July 31, 2009, 04:20:12 PM
How common were "homemade" armored vehicles in that period? I've seen a few photos of armored cars that were made by attaching sheet metal to the sides of cars and adding a machine gun, but I'm not sure how often this might have been done.

I did that for my Bolshevik forces. I had a Lledo Model T truck that was just taking up space, so I converted it into a field-modified armored car by glueing sheets of plastic over it, adding pop rivets and other details, and adding a turret. It looks very BoB-ish/RCW-ish, but I don't know how realistic it might be.
Title: Re: Vehicle colours for white russian vehicles in BOB
Post by: Zheleznjak on August 01, 2009, 10:13:16 PM
some pictures

http://content.foto.mail.ru/mail/i_v_stalin/1/i-80.jpg
http://content.foto.mail.ru/mail/i_v_stalin/1/i-81.jpg
Title: Re: Vehicle colours for white russian vehicles in BOB
Post by: Mark Plant on August 01, 2009, 11:37:47 PM
How common were "homemade" armored vehicles in that period?

Very, very common, especially early in the war. In some theatres they were the dominant type (Estonians versus Freikorps, for example) even quite late.

Mostly armoured cars, often peppered with MGs all around to compensate for no turrets.

The Whites in the south also armoured tracked tractors, to make improvised tanks.
Title: Re: Vehicle colours for white russian vehicles in BOB
Post by: former user on August 10, 2009, 12:10:03 PM
I don't see any problem with using anything, BoB or not

was the vehicle in the theatre at that time?
yes - use it, who can prove one wasn't captured
no - use it, who can prove noone bought/brought one from abroad
the vehicle wasn't even constructed at that time? - use it, a spy stole the blueprints of the prototype and it was built for experiment

of course this rule has to be used with measure, as a king tiger in BoB wouldn't work

one is usually surprised what sorts of stuff showed up in the wierdest places, you never know
or did anyone know that the US experimented with steam tanks in WWI?
or that steam airplanes existed?
(this was not rhetorical)
Title: Re: Vehicle colours for white russian vehicles in BOB
Post by: potter666 on September 21, 2009, 08:43:58 PM
Very, very common, especially early in the war. In some theatres they were the dominant type (Estonians versus Freikorps, for example) even quite late.

Mostly armoured cars, often peppered with MGs all around to compensate for no turrets.

The Whites in the south also armoured tracked tractors, to make improvised tanks.

Thank God for that! I've been covering a old diecast cars/buses/truck style vehicles in plasticard to use as 'home-made' armoured cars' for the period and have been quite pleased with the results. Was gonna start using some for SCW and VBCW skirmish games.
Title: Re: Vehicle colours for white russian vehicles in BOB
Post by: former user on September 24, 2009, 08:50:47 PM
just found this:
http://elfalem.110mb.com/armored_cars/armored_cars.shtml

did not know where to put it