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Miniatures Adventure => Future Wars => Topic started by: Ray Earle on June 02, 2014, 12:58:05 PM
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After discussion with Doug, I think it would be rather useful to aggregate the various discussions on the marvellous Spacelords re-release in a single thread. Since this thread is the largest right now, I think it would be the best place for general discussion, possibly in coordination with Doug.
That said, you are of course free to open individual threads to discuss specific topics associated with the Spacelords range, such as what rules to use, where to find suitable vehicle kits etc. In accordance with the forum rules, I would, however, like to ask people to just run a single thread on each topic to avoid duplicate posting and fragmented information.
Cheers, Chris
Right then gents, rather than clutter the 'bazaar' with posts I've set up a poll to try and gauge interest in which figures people would like to see come next from Em-4.
I'm am not affiliated to Em-4 and taking part in this poll does not guarantee that the figures will be produced in the near future, it is purely to give Doug a general idea of who is interested in what.
I've allowed three votes each to try and keep the list manageable. The poll only allows 5 options so unfortunately I've had to group the Robot legion, civilian, ships crew, aliens etc. all into one group. So if you are interested in something specific from one of those categories please post below.
Also, its my first time doing a poll on here, so I hope it's ok. :D
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I would love to see the following:
- Cybertech S.E.C.S. Troops
- Sarday'kin
And then I voted "Other" to include
- All the "individuals", ie Adventurers, Civilians, Ship's Crew, Personalities, Stella Starlight´s Casino and Aliens as well as Robot Legions
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Personally I'd like to see;
-Yoyodyne skychargers,
-Cybertech wartechs and associated jet bikes,
-And the adventurers and ships crew.
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Links to piccies?
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www.metalmagic.de is the place to go, but you need to register to access the catalogue parts. I'll see if I can get a small sample of each range posted up in this thread for reference.
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I voted for:
• Get all the Cybertech Wartechs released
• Release all the Phagons and Battle Clones
• Make all the civilians, crew and adventurers available
:D
@Malebolgia: Some images here: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~tpope/sol/metal-magic/spacelords.html
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I just want to see the Phagons all available again :)
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Yes please to the round up option of spaceship crew, civilians and the like!
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I will always vote for more 28mm sci-fi civilians, VIPs, non-combatants etc given the chance. Always.
Im not familiar with the ranges other than what is available from EM4 though.
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Voted other for the various Civilians, Adventurers, Ships Crew etc. I particularly remember a rather nice box set with a Bar and tables and patrons, would love to see that again.
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Just generic civvies for me :)
cheers
James
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Would love to see all of them again!!!! ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
FFF
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Phagon Battle Beasts/Walkers
Aliens/Civilians/Beasts/Crew
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Good idea, thanks Ray.
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I've put together composite pictures of the various factions. I didn't have time to do the various characters, adventurers and ship's crew. I'll post them later.
The images used all come from Viruz' most excellent Metal Magic repository:http://www.metalmagic.de (http://www.metalmagic.de)
The full ranges can be viewed there if you register on the forum.
I've deliberately decreased image size and quality, and added the URL. Viruz, let me know if you disapprove of me tampering with the original images and I'll take them down.
Bunkerbreakers, Bunkerbreaker veterans and Sarday'kin
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/17/3237_03_06_14_9_51_04_0.jpg)
Cybertech S.E.C.S
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/17/3237_03_06_14_9_51_04_2.jpg)
Cybertech Wartechs
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/17/3237_03_06_14_9_51_04_1.jpg)
Yoyodyne Skychargers, Humbs and Shigaru
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/17/3237_03_06_14_9_51_04_3.jpg)
Phagon Battleclones, Phagon and Phagon Bioids
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/17/3237_03_06_14_9_51_04_4.jpg)
Phagon Battlebeasts
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/17/3237_03_06_14_9_51_36.jpg)
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Thanks for putting the images up Phreedh, a much better job than I'd have made of it. :)
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Thanks for putting up the photos Phreedh. The Battle Beasts look like fun.
- All the "individuals", ie Adventurers, Civilians, Ship's Crew, Personalities, Stella Starlight´s Casino and Aliens as well as Robot Legions
Are there any photos of those knocking around? They are the ones that I am most interested in (seeing as I have a nice number of Phagon beastmen types already).
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They are the ones that I am most interested in (seeing as I have a nice number of Phagon beastmen types already).
Yep, as mentioned - the whole range is covered on www.metalmagic.de.
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Yep, as mentioned - the whole range is covered on www.metalmagic.de.
I had trouble registering there the last time that I tried, so I gave up. Ill keep an eye out for more as they get released I think, rather than pine after OOP miniatures that I dont even know exist yet :)
The Phagon that I got from EM4 were the very best metal castings that I have ever got my hands on. Close to zero clean up, lovely.
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The Phagon that I got from EM4 were the very best cast metal miniatures that I have ever got my hands on. Close to zero clean up, lovely.
I can only echo that sentiment. Any miniature I've bought from EM4 have been next to flawless!
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I can only echo that sentiment. Any miniature I've bought from EM4 have been next to flawless!
Yep, I've ordered though EM4 (And Forlorn Games) so many times now and never had a dodgy or badly cast figure... some comes with a weird grey undercoat on though ???
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Based on what I see I chose to (only) vote "other" because
1) Only the "civilians" hold any interest
2) I don't want to register for another web site just to see pictures of OOP miniatures that may go back into production (where, hopefully, the seller will have pictures,) because if you can't show pictures without registering for a web site you don't want my (quite likely small pittance of) money.
3) IIRC, which is debatable, these trooper types didn't make enough of an impact at the time to be stored in my erratic memory. As always, memories of older miniatures may be colored (+/-/neutral) by past experiences.
4) I don't want to influence a poll on miniatures unduly as I probably won't buy the other miniatures (like the current pictures,) which are nice but not where I am taking my SF part of my hobby. Hence only the "other" vote and not three votes.
Gracias,
Glenn
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I had trouble registering there the last time that I tried, so I gave up. Ill keep an eye out for more as they get released I think, rather than pine after OOP miniatures that I dont even know exist yet
The Phagon that I got from EM4 were the very best cast metal miniatures that I have ever got my hands on. Close to zero clean up, lovely.
Problems? ::)
Try registering again please.
Maybe I had classified you as a spammer ? ???
Greetings Viruz
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Problems? ::)
Yes.
The registration page tells me that my gmail address, the one that I use on LAF and every other forum cannot be used. I dont speak German, so getting to the bottom of the problem seemed more trouble than it was worth.
Try registering again please.
"Die von dir angegebene E-Mail-Adresse darf nicht benutzt werden."
Maybe I had classified you as a spammer ? ???
Maybe. Im not though, I promise :)
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Decided to register and just awaiting confirmation. :D
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because if you can't show pictures without registering for a web site you don't want my (quite likely small pittance of) money.
For the record, www.metalmagic.de is a private forum for discussing and showcasing Metal Magic miniatures. No selling or money involved. =)
I've put up a few more pics of the remaining parts of the range. Remember, these are only samples of each range. To see the full contents (in higher resolution) you know where to go by now. It's free of charge. ;D
Robot Legions
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/17/3237_03_06_14_12_55_57_3.jpg)
Stella Starlight's Casino box set
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/17/3237_03_06_14_12_55_57_2.jpg)
Specials, Aliens and Personalities
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/17/3237_03_06_14_12_55_57_1.jpg)
Adventurers, Civilians and Ship's Crew
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/17/3237_03_06_14_12_55_57_0.jpg)
Thanks once again to Viruz for allowing me to hack up his pics. =)
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@ cheetor
Please try again.
I gmail.com unlocked.
Please join please contact me if the login has failed.
because if you can't show pictures without registering for a web site you don't want my (quite likely small pittance of) money.
lol No, it is a forum, which is privately held. I just do not want the appear all my own images / photos on Google. ;)
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@ cheetor
Please try again.
It worked this time Viruz, many thanks.
Stella Starlight's Casino box set
Lovely. Right up my street.
Im looking forward to having a poke around. And then weeping because I cant actually buy any of them :'(
Do we know if EM4 Doug has the entire range of moulds? Or just a selection?
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I believe he has or had them all. He's been a bit noncommittal about it really. Probably overwhelmed by the number of codes. And isn't he retiring?
In all honesty, it really pisses me off that an entire range of figures, that people keep asking about fairly regularly, is just languishing somewhere. Maybe Doug or Forlorn Hope should sell the moulds on to someone like Midlam Miniatures (who picked up a lot of the Metal Magic fantasy moulds when Mega Minis sold them). They've got them back into production fairly quickly. Or just anyone who would get the Spacelords range back into metal.
Harrumph. ;)
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Harrumph. ;)
I understand how you feel about it, but on the other hand I can see how it happens too. I guess the sales of the Spacelords that EM4 have already made available may not be significant enough.
Having just had a poke around on the forum (thanks again Viruz) I can say that I would very happily pick up the cantina set and a number of the civilians and adventurer types if they were made available. Its interesting how few of those sorts of sci-fi models are around. I suspect that civilian miniatures just dont sell well, for fairly understandable reasons. There is a demand for sci-fi civilian types on forums like this of course, but that because this place is full of older guys who already have far more spacemen with guns than they need.
I really must get around to painting my Beastmen...
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I can also see how it happens and agree with you regarding civilian models.
I just never understood the logic of EM4 releasing such a small selection. It's no wonder they didn't sell better. What can you really do with six Cybertech troopers?
Since then, Doug has hinted that more would trickle out, but it's been years now. And to make matters worse, the popular ones, such as the Phagon Beastmen, tend to be regularly out of stock. So, someone is buying them…
I just wish the whole range was available. And I am a curmudgeon. lol
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because this place is full of older guys who already have far more spacemen with guns than they need.
That statement makes no sense, Paul - and you know it. :)
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Also I've never understood why Doug has acquired the rights and Molds backed up, but brings so few miniatures on the market.
Since 1996, the Spacelords miniatures have disappeared from the market. :'(
Until the few who em-4 Minaitures in the range.
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Hello everyone and thanks to Ray. This amount of interest is great and I'm hoping the poll is going to be really useful for me. I understand the frustration some people are feeling about the lack of movement on re-releasing the range. There's a whole lot of reasons which I won't bore you with, not least of which is that it's only recently I got a vulcaniser up and running again. Previously, any mould-making had to be contracted out and that's not cheap.
Regarding "retiring". In a way, I already am - partially anyway. em4 mail order is a separate entity and functions quite happily without me. However, since I'm out of a lot of the day-to-day stuff, I'm now spending more time on the miniatures side. There will be a gradually expanding amount of stuff available via Forlorn Hope and for me, Spacelords will be a priority along with making more fantasy warriors available to FH.
Incidentally, as I've told a few people already, eny miniatures that are on the em4 website but are marked out of stock can be ordered directly from me by email so long as you can pay by Paypal.
Doug
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There will be a gradually expanding amount of stuff available via Forlorn Hope and for me, Spacelords will be a priority…
Brilliant news!
…as I've told a few people already, eny miniatures that are on the em4 website but are marked out of stock can be ordered directly from me by email so long as you can pay by Paypal.
Also brilliant news!
Thanks for the clarification Doug. Now, get on with it. ;)
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Spacelords will be a priority along with making more fantasy warriors available to FH.
Can you hear that.......
That's a wallet sobbing in the dark.
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a wallet sobbing in the dark.
At least it's not alone in doing so. =)
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At least it's not alone in doing so. =)
No pressure, then....
Doug
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No pressure, then....
Doug
None at all. ;)
I'm currently having fun painting up Spacelords minis (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=67029.0) for skirmishing in a 40K-ish universe using Pulp Alley. I have enough to last me the rest of the year and then some. Still, these news that you're seriously considering expanding your Spacelords offering has got me a sliiight bit excited.
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I think that the wave of nostalgia going on right now is very conducive to bringing the Spacelords range to market. I and several members at my local club are into In the emperors name at the moment and would snap up some of that "old school" goodness! If you got some good fan exposure and painted minis floating about on the relevent forums I am sure they would fly. Add to the fact that EM4 castings are about the best in the business and we are there!
Looking forward to adding some more goodies to fight along side my Cobalt and Asgard minis
FFF
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If you got some good fan exposure and painted minis floating about on the relevent forums I am sure they would fly. Add to the fact that EM4 castings are about the best in the business and we are there!
Most definitely that.
And FFF, Cobalt and Asgard? We demand pictures! lol
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A further thought. New releases will probably be sold in sets or groups. I doubt if demand would justify one code per mould so mixed moulds would be the order of the day. With mixed moulds, if codes are sold individually, there always some that sell out quicker than the others. If the mould is then spun to get more of them, a lot of the less well selling codes are made as well. These then languish in the storage bins, not earning their keep. This has happened with the current releases and I think they will also have to be sold as sets eventually.
Doug
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A further thought. New releases will probably be sold in sets or groups. I doubt if demand would justify one code per mould so mixed moulds would be the order of the day. With mixed moulds, if codes are sold individually, there always some that sell out quicker than the others. If the mould is then spun to get more of them, a lot of the less well selling codes are made as well. These then languish in the storage bins, not earning their keep. This has happened with the current releases and I think they will also have to be sold as sets eventually.
Doug
Makes sense from a business perspective. How large would a set be, if it's based on a mold?
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I wouldn't mind sets at all. If it can also help to keep the cost down it is no problem for me at all.
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On average, I'd say about 3 "human" size figures to a mould. Ideally, I'd like 5 cavities of each different code per mould, so, if I can squeeze 15 in one mould, that would give us a set of 3.
Doug
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Set would work for me too, plus it's just another excuse for me to buy more toys heh :)
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While I tend to prefer the option of buying single figures, in this case I'd happily purchase 3 figure packs if that's the best solution for EM4, as long as the groupings made sense (such as 3 Wartechs with MPs, 3 Phagon Clones with rifles etc.). I totally understand the reluctance to end up with buckets of poor sellers.
And I'm very grateful to Doug for discussing this here with us too.
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Packs of 3 figures would work well for me too, as already said as long as they follow a logical composition.
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Sets are almost industry standard now anyway, for the reasons that you state Doug.
I am more than happy to buy sets if they are priced at roughly the same as the current EM4 Spacelord range, especially if it gets more retro sci-fi goodness out there.
Definitely. Sign me up.
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Yeah, as long as the sets are on the small side it's no problem at all for us punters. On the contrary. =)
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While I tend to prefer the option of buying single figures, in this case I'd happily purchase 3 figure packs if that's the best solution for EM4, as long as the groupings made sense (such as 3 Wartechs with MPs, 3 Phagon Clones with rifles etc.). I totally understand the reluctance to end up with buckets of poor sellers.
And I'm very grateful to Doug for discussing this here with us too.
I too prefer singles but small sets of related poses might work for most people.
Again, not my scale/size but the whole singles and/or sets aspect of the discussion is good to have with a producer. It is good to know the logic behind the set selection.
Gracias,
Glenn
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If the OOP can remove my vote that is fine since I really won't be buying these (wrong size to buy for the rest of my life.)
That said, I looked at the civilian figures 8) posted and they are great :-* but I won't be buying them for various (wrong size mostly) reasons. ::)
Now if I was buying larger figures... ;)
Gracias,
Glenn
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The original Metal Magic listings already has them in sets eg: 3001a;b;c, 3002a;b;c, 3003a;b;c etc etc. Id plan on keeping them in those already established groupings.
Doug
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No worries Glenn, not too worried about one vote. :D
Sounds like a plan Doug, works for me.
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Yep, keeping the Metal Magic groupings makes perfect sense. Spot on.
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Just looking at my lists and Cybertech have 100+ codes (!!!); Phagons a lot less. So, the poll notwithstanding (Cybertech having a slight lead over Phagons), I'm thinking Phagons are probably the ones to concentrate on first.
Doug
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I'm thinking Phagons are probably the ones to concentrate on first.
The "other" stuff did well in the poll too, the adventurers etc. Im just saying...
Its great to see movement on this though and it brave of you to engage with the masses regarding plans too Doug.
Thanks!
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*Does a little happy dance* Phagons! wooo, more codes coming out will spark me to finaly start that Beastman * cough* sorry.. Phagon force.
(https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/6103350784/hDD5A5C4F/)
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Totally agree Doug, great to have you posting on here. :D
Maybe break the Cybertech range down into manageable groups? Wartechs, bunker breakers, S.E.C's.?
The Phagons are certainly getting a lot of votes though.
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The Cybertech are indeed listed in groups already: Bunkerbreakers; Wartechs; SECS Troops; Vehicles so that does make them more manageable.
We already have all the Phagons available (3241 a-e; 3242a-e; 3243a-e; 3244a-d; 3245a-d) - to complete the whole Phagon extended goup, we only have to release the balance of the Battle-Clones, the Bioids, Battle-Beasts and Vehicles so that's quite an achievable short-term goal. I agree that it would be nice to include Adventurers etc early on and since there are only 3 Adventurers (1 set); 6 Ship's Crew (2 sets); 2 Personalities (1 set). If we include the Aliens, that's 1 more set.
So, and this is not set in stone yet, I'd probably look at a production schedule something like this:
1. Finish off Phagon Battle-Clones
2. Ships' Crew
3. Phagon Bioids
4. Adventurers and Personalities
5. Phagon Battle-Beasts
6. Aliens
7. Phagon Vehicles
alternatively, we could intersperse some Cybertech such as:
1. Finish off Phagon Battle-Clones
2. Ships' Crew
3. Cybertech Bunkerbreakers sets 3003 and 3004
4. Adventurers and Personalities
5. Cybertech Bunkerbreakers sets 3005, 3006, 3007
6. Aliens
7. Cybertech Bunkerbreakers sets 3008, 3009, 3010
Food for thought and maybe a "sub-poll"?
Doug
This would mean the Phagon Bioids, Battlebeasts and Vehicles would have to wait
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Is the Cantina set part of the Adventurers range? Or is it a subset of the others?
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I've just been pondering on the cantina myself, as it happens. It's not on either of the two lists that I have in front of me but it's one I'd like to release sooner rather thaqn later.
Doug
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I've just been pondering on the cantina myself, as it happens. It's not on either of the two lists that I have in front of me but it's one I'd like to release sooner rather thaqn later.
I have no idea if the cantina would be a solid seller or not Doug, but you are talking my language. I can personally guarantee one sale of that set :)
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Make that two. :D
As much as I'd like to see the wartechs I'd go with schedule 1 and get the balance of the Phagons out and the civilians/personalities/aliens. Then it would allow you to concentrate on the Cybertech and 'an other' in the next set of releases.
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Battle Beasts! I'll buy lots of them!
And Robot Legions too...
I would finish my Battleclone collection and I want at least one of every other faction miniature I don't already have.
Then translate the rules to English ;) and I am set.
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....Then translate the rules to English ;) and I am set.
Oh no - YOU can do that.... :D
Doug
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OK - just back from the workshop and pulling out various boxes of masters. First observation. Cantina. Hmmm. So far, I've found 14 different pieces to it (note - if anyone has or knows of a good photo of the complete item, I'd appreciate a copy or link). That means we are talking about an expensive item to buy - off the top of my head, I'd guess round the £50 mark. I don't know if there's going to be sufficient demand to spend the time and money moulding and casting it.
The Ship's Crew is all present and correct as it should be in relation to the lists. The Adventurers, Personalities and Aliens don't appear to be exactly as listed - once again, any photos of the lot of them would be useful.
The preparation continues. Who should I blame for this burst of activity? Probably Ray who started this current Spacelords debate off and not forgetting Phil's moustache, a terror weapon that should be banned by international treaty.
Doug
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Hi,Picture ?
Here:
(http://i926.photobucket.com/albums/ad110/Metal_Magic_1986/whats%20new/DSC04831.jpg~original)
Greetings.... ;)
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That means we are talking about an expensive item to buy - off the top of my head, I'd guess round the £50 mark. I don't know if there's going to be sufficient demand to spend the time and money moulding and casting it.
Understandable. I would but a set like that, although it would require a lot more budgeting than picking up 2 x three packs for example.
That image that Viruz put up is pretty cool though...
The Ship's Crew is all present and correct as it should be in relation to the lists. The Adventurers, Personalities and Aliens don't appear to be exactly as listed - once again, any photos of the lot of them would be useful.
Im interested in all of those :)
Who should I blame for this burst of activity? Probably Ray
We love you Ray!
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Hi Doug, if you need photos of the Space Lords, I can help you.
Please tell me what you want. ;)
You can also take like to register in the MM forum and you choose the photos themselves.
Although my English is bad o_o , but that will work out. :D
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Maybe break down the cantina set into smaller packs such as Alien Patrons, Bar and Serving Droid etc.?
And can you put out some Cybertech Wartech troops? I always saw them more rank and file than the Bunkerbreakers… ;)
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Hi Doug, if you need photos of the Space Lords, I can help you.
Please tell me what you want. ;)
You can also take like to register in the MM forum and you choose the photos themselves.
Although my English is bad o_o , but that will work out. :D
Thanks, Viruz - I've registered and am awaiting approval.
Doug
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You're registered. ;)
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The preparation continues. Who should I blame for this burst of activity? Probably Ray who started this current Spacelords debate off and not forgetting Phil's moustache, a terror weapon that should be banned by international treaty.
I'd blame Phils 'tache. Definitely. ;)
After the Phagons and civilians are released it would be nice to get some of the wartechs released alongside the bunker breakers.
I'm going to have to join the MM forum now!!
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Lovely, this is shaping up real nice!
I'd go with schedule 1 too.. I'm mostly looking forward to the bioids for some reason... ???
Regarding the cantina, I suppose breaking it up in sub-sets could actually make sense. 1 set is the band, 1 set is bar + patron, 1 set is tables, stools and patrons. Move the little subwoofer thing (left-most item on stage) into one of the other sets to balance out the amounts of lead in each set?
I blame Ray, he's the author of the thread. It's all his fault. Thanks, you beautiful man you! :D
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Thanks, you beautiful man you! Cheesy
Is that me or Ray who is beautiful? 'Cos, I have to admit, I am beautiful.... :D :D :D
Doug
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Is that me or Ray who is beautiful? 'Cos, I have to admit, I am beautiful.... :D :D :D
Doug
Knowing phreedh it both, I've heard rumours what he will do for Ex-Metal Magic figures... :o heh
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Are the Yoyodoyne Space Dwarfs or Humans? Does anyone have any scale pix of them?
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Are the Yoyodoyne Space Dwarfs or Humans? Does anyone have any scale pix of them?
The Yoyodyne represent Japanese SF warrior.
Not Dwarfs .They are the same as the other fractions SL. (ca. 30mm)
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Just having a look through your amazing site, Viruz. I haven't seen any reference before to C0001/2/3 (Generals/Commanders and Telephaten). I'll have a look through my masters but I don't recall them at all. I hope they are there because they look like very nice figures.
Doug
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I haven't seen any reference before to C0001/2/3 (Generals/Commanders and Telephaten).
:D These are conversions.
Modeled with Green Stuff and Magic Sculp. ;)
These miniatures there was never trade.
Conversions :
C 0000 Bunkerbrecher Custom
C 0000 Cybertech Custom Spezial Command
C 3100 Yoyodyne Ansatsusha (Attentäter/Meuchelmörder) Custom
C 0000 Yoyodyne Custom
C 3234 Phagon Kampfmaschinen / Custom
C 3220 - C 3233 Phagon / Custom
C 0000 Sarday'kin Custom
C 0000- C0003 Charaktere / Custom
C 4001 S´Krill
C 5001 O´Schilly´s Freischärler
C 6001 J.A. Macbeth Söldnergilde
C 7001 Undead Peacekeeper / Custom
C 8001 New Imperium / Custom
I like to build itself around or leave remodel.
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Is that me or Ray who is beautiful? 'Cos, I have to admit, I am beautiful.... :D :D :D
Doug
It's definitely not me Doug. :(
@viruz having trouble registering as the forum says my hotmail.com address cannot be used? Any help?
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I turn now free hotmail :)
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Thanks viruz, I'll try again. :D
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Viruz - thanks for clearing that up. Here's another question. I have a master labelled "Adventurer 3701 Special" He is not one of the 3 here:
http://www.metalmagic.de/3701-abenteurer-f44/3701-abenteurer-t353.html
Have you heard about him?
Thanks
@ Ray - just look at my avatar... :D
Doug
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You mean that:
http://www.metalmagic.de/9999-spacelords-f70/9999-spacelords-t356.html (only for reg. members of visible)
Miniatur No. 1
He ist a limited Version, Serial Number 9999.
If the figure is this?
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Yes - well done Viruz. That is the one. thank you.
Doug
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Fantastic! I was hoping that miniature wasn't a conversion. 8)
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No, they are original Hobby Products Spacelords Miniatures.
I think that there was only from Hobby Products on Spieltage Essen (http://www.merz-verlag.com/) to buy.
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Thanks viruz, all sorted now. :D
Those commander figures are superb Doug, I hope they're in a box somewhere. :D
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Those commander figures are superb Doug, I hope they're in a box somewhere. :D
Ray - if I understand Viruz correctly, they are conversions he made himself, in which case, we won't have them.
Doug
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they are conversions he made himself,
Yes correct . :D Unique.
I'm an old "crazy" Hobby Products Miniatures Fan. lol
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Shame. :(
That battle clone general is superb. :D I'll have to use the pictures as inspiration for my own conversions.
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I'm so sorry :'(
See it as an inspiration. ;)
I'm already planning on a long Time a Spacelords Battlefield Trench Diorama. ;)
With many Spacelords conversions.
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Gentlemen - an update on today. I spent most of it (apart from looking at Viruz's site and posting here) sorting out masters. However, to make a small gesture of a willingness to proceed, I made a mould...! So, welcome if you will, Set 3223 - Phagon Battle-Clones with combat needler (3 figures). I haven't run the mould yet - just vulcanised and cut it in. I could have stayed late in the workshop and given it a spin but the great thing about being partly/kind-of/semi retired is that at 5.00 pm, it's definitely time to down tools and have a glass of wine.
The plan is to spin it tomorrow and make a couple more moulds.
Another question for Viruz. I've found some masters labelled "Phagon Overlords 32??" (that's exactly what is written on the packaging, including the ??) . These masters came from Metal Magic so it's strange that there should be doubt as to their correct number. I can't find them on my lists so I'm going to Viruz's site now to hunt through it.
Doug
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You don't muck about do you Doug? lol
Great news!
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Great start Doug! I'll be looking to add more battle clones to the pile.
Those overlords sound interesting.
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I want Phagon Overlords! :o
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Hi Doug
Another question for Viruz. I've found some masters labelled "Phagon Overlords 32??" (that's exactly what is written on the packaging, including the ??) . These masters came from Metal Magic so it's strange that there should be doubt as to their correct number. I can't find them on my lists so I'm going to Viruz's site now to hunt through it.
Do you think these figures? C 3220 Bruderschaft
http://www.metalmagic.de/3221-3291-phagon-f42/3220-3233-phagon-conversion-t385.html
Hobby Products had new Phagon in the planning, the Phagon Brotherhood.
The miniatures have never been produced.
The miniatures (5 pieces, greens), I received years ago.
(Edit: 6 new Phagon Miniatures)
You must know, I have bought all painted 28mm miniatures by Hobby Products years ago. ;)
And all available dioramas.
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Please let it be the guy with the staff. Please let it be the guy with the staff. Please let it be... ;D
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Viruz - thanks. I'll check tomorrow when I go back to the workshop.
You must have a fantastic collection of painted figures and dioramas.
You don't muck about do you Doug? lolGreat news!
Kind of you to say so but I've been mucking about with Spacelords for years now so I can't really live up to that description... :)
Doug
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Doug, I like to help.
Yes, I have determined the greatest Metal Magic / Hobby Products collection.
I have still joy in the miniatures.
If you produced the Overlords / Brotherhood miniatures, then I want to buy 3 pieces of each new figure. :D
Edit:
Here you can see the little cases with Hobby Products Miniatures. (please ignore the dust ,renovation of rooms)
(http://i926.photobucket.com/albums/ad110/Metal_Magic_1986/User%20Pics/hobbyvitrina/DSC04808.jpg~original)
(http://i926.photobucket.com/albums/ad110/Metal_Magic_1986/User%20Pics/hobbyvitrina/DSC04809.jpg~original)
(http://i926.photobucket.com/albums/ad110/Metal_Magic_1986/User%20Pics/hobbyvitrina/DSC04834.jpg~original)
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What an awesome thread. Great to see more interest in the line and potential rerelease of more sculpts.
I was very interested in Spacelords for quite some time and have owned most of the range. I eventually sold the last of the collection, my prized Sardaykin a bit over a year ago to make room for other projects.
Even though I'm mostly done with Spacelords, I'd be interested to see the release of any more spaceship crew and civilians. That's the sort of miniature one can always find a use for.
One thing I would point out about the range. Various numbers have been bandied about regarding the size of Spacelords minis. I even saw 30mm mentioned which just isn't so.
Using the sole to eye measurement, the largest of the bunker breakers are about 28mm, and they can be even smaller. These scale up well with older 28mm figs and similar figs that were once called heroic 25mm. They look good alongside RT era marines and figures of that ilk. Not that they look bad against current figs at all, but be aware that the line is smaller that many current lines, especially the spacelords figs not in power armor. I had a Yoyodyne loader and a GW Guardsman (29mm sole to eye) really dwarfed him.
Lastly, if you enlarge the cavities slightly(a quick bit of grinding with a dremel) or grind a bit of metal away Mantic bases will accept the Metal Magic cast-on round bases as seen here:
http://chicagoskirmish.blogspot.com/2011/12/new-bases-for-old-metal-magic-figures.html
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That's some collection viruz! :o
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The idea that what could be some unreleased masters have been found is incredible and brings a smile to my face.
Doug: Silly question but I take it when the new moulds get spun and the figures get re-released that the ranges already in production will get restocked? As no doubt it'll spark interest in the range.
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Lastly, if you enlarge the cavities slightly(a quick bit of grinding with a dremel) or grind a bit of metal away Mantic bases will accept the Metal Magic cast-on round bases as seen here:
http://chicagoskirmish.blogspot.com/2011/12/new-bases-for-old-metal-magic-figures.html
original MM Bases for Armalion,DSA,Dunwich Detektive ,Spacelords and other HP Miniatures from
Ral Partha : Link (http://www.ralparthaeurope.co.uk/shop/das-schwarze-auge-the-dark-eye-c-30/bases-c-30_78/)
@ Ray Earle
Thanks,i love my Miniatures and collection . ;)
@ eilif
Edit:
Using the sole to eye measurement, the largest of the bunker breakers are about 28mm, and they can be even smaller. These scale up well with older 28mm figs and similar figs that were once called heroic 25mm. They look good alongside RT era marines and figures of that ilk. Not that they look bad against current figs at all, but be aware that the line is smaller that many current lines, especially the spacelords figs not in power armor. I had a Yoyodyne loader and a GW Guardsman (29mm sole to eye) really dwarfed him.
28mm ??
But you're right, the Space Lords are smaller than the GW miniatures.
(http://i926.photobucket.com/albums/ad110/Metal_Magic_1986/vorlage/DSC04836.jpg~original)
The height of the Base you can calculate with, because all Miniatures need a base.
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Viruz - that is a great collection and most impressively displayed.
If you produced the Overlords / Brotherhood miniatures, then I want to buy 3 pieces of each new figure.
For you, there would be a very special deal (don't tell anyone else :D )
Doug: Silly question but I take it when the new moulds get spun and the figures get re-released that the ranges already in production will get restocked? As no doubt it'll spark interest in the range.
Chico - can I refer you to my post earlier in this thread - all codes are permanently available directly from the workshop. You just need to email me directly at enquiries@em4miniatures.com or pm me here. So long as you can pay by Paypal, I can supply you immediately.
Doug
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For you, there would be a very special deal (don't tell anyone else :D )
Mum's the word. *taps nose knowingly* ;)
Doug, just received my tax returns. Expect an order shortly. By email. :)
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Chico - can I refer you to my post earlier in this thread - all codes are permanently available directly from the workshop. You just need to email me directly at enquiries@em4miniatures.com or pm me here. So long as you can pay by Paypal, I can supply you immediately.
Doug
I wasn't asking for me sadly , just in general as I know a few people at my local gaming club that will most likely jump at this chance to fill gaps while getting something new. So I'd thought I'd ask and make sure :) But if your happy for me to pass that info/email along to them I will do so :)
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So do I get my jet bikes I've been asking for for years? ;)
I'll have a cantina if u mould and cast it up. Great for the obvious. ;)
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original MM Bases for Armalion,DSA,Dunwich Detektive ,Spacelords and other HP Miniatures from
Ral Partha : Link (http://www.ralparthaeurope.co.uk/shop/das-schwarze-auge-the-dark-eye-c-30/bases-c-30_78/)
@ eilif
Edit:
28mm ??
But you're right, the Space Lords are smaller than the GW miniatures.
(http://i926.photobucket.com/albums/ad110/Metal_Magic_1986/vorlage/DSC04836.jpg~original)
The height of the Base you can calculate with, because all Miniatures need a base.
Thanks for the link, I had no idea the bases were still being made and available so inexpensively.
As for the height though, you're dead wrong. I can't think of a single group of war gamers I've ever come across who compare the height of miniatures with measurements from the bottom of the base when measuring the height of a figure. Bases and basing can vary in height as can headgear, so most wargamers measure from sole to eye. To do otherwise just confuses the issue. If you knock off the mm's for the base, then the Bunker Breaker in the picture clocks in at almost exactly 28mm with the yoyodyne at 26 or 27mm.
Nice figs though!
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Okay, without base. ;)
(http://i926.photobucket.com/albums/ad110/Metal_Magic_1986/whats%20new/DSC04841.jpg~original)
The wooden bar is 28mm.
But that's all splitting hairs. ;)
Space Lords are not compatible with Warhammer 40K. It is 80s figures.
GW has its miniature size also increased dramatically over the years >:(
The old terminators look next to the new as children. lol
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Signed up to Viruz's forum awaiting approval.
As I said in my first post here I would buy the bar set as soon as released, along with most of the civilians.
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My favorites must be the Cybertech Wartechs and S.E.C.S. Troops.
For the Yoyodyne it's the Shigaru.
These models have a lot of character imo.
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I wasn't asking for me sadly , just in general as I know a few people at my local gaming club that will most likely jump at this chance to fill gaps while getting something new. So I'd thought I'd ask and make sure :) But if your happy for me to pass that info/email along to them I will do so :)
Yes sir - more than happy...
Doug
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PHAGON OVERLORDS IDENTIFIED - if you look at the Viruz's link earlier, the 5 I have belong to the first group - coded C3220. There are 6 figures in the group - the one I don't have (yet) is the one on the right on the top row.
Doug
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:D
More importantly, you've got the one with the staff!!
Great stuff Doug. Looking forward to seeing some of them, and possibly painting them...
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@elysium64
You are unlocked.
@Doug
5 not 6 Miniatures ?
Too bad. But better than nothing.
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PHAGON OVERLORDS IDENTIFIED - if you look at the Viruz's link earlier, the 5 I have belong to the first group - coded C3220. There are 6 figures in the group - the one I don't have (yet) is the one on the right on the top row.
That's bloody awesome! :-* Hope the last one shows up too.
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That's bloody awesome! Hope the last one shows up too.
Bad for me.
Now I have no more unique items. lol
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Well, you might have one... ;)
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Or not :'(
Is not dramatic, I can live with it ;)
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Just registered. Waiting on confirmation. :D
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Just registered. Waiting on confirmation. :D
It's a slippery slope from here. :D
Did you find that elusive 6th figure Doug?
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Didn't do any serious searching today - I moulded 6 more figures instead - so that's 9 Phagon Battle-clones since yesterday morning. I haven't run the moulds yet so I'm keeping my fingers crossed they'll be OK ;)
Doug
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Cool. Do you think they'll be available for order in a week or so? Payday beckons. :D
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:D Do not be so impatient. lol
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:D
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:D Do not be so impatient. lol
20 years what's another few days... :D
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20 years what's another few days... :D
OK - I heard that ;D. Sarcasm is not permitted.... :D ;D :D
Doug
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OK - I heard that ;D. Sarcasm is not permitted.... :D ;D :D
Doug
cough! cough! jetbikes!!! ;D
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@ Commander Vyper
You are in the Metal Magic Forum since yesterday evening unlocked 20.30 clock . ;)
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@ Commander Vyper
You are in the Metal Magic Forum since yesterday evening unlocked 20.30 clock . ;)
danke!
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cough! cough! jetbikes!!! ;D
http://i926.photobucket.com/albums/ad110/Metal_Magic_1986/Serienmm/mmslords/cybertech/original/cyoriginal3.jpg
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Please do not use my photos in other forums or blogs.
Please set a link to the pictures in my forum.
It put years of work and hundreds of hours in the Metal Magic Forum project.
Feel free to use the images privately, but not in other blogs or forums.
Many many Thanks, do not be angry. :)
Thank you so much for your understanding. :)
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Can you please remove the picture and put a link to the picture ? :o
It took several hundred hours for the design of many catalog sheets and do not want the images appear anywhere on Google.
Thank you. ;)
When Doug gets the moulds out and starts casting there's a whole generation of potential customers out there who won't be familiar with these lovely old school minis so internet presence is what he's going to need. You might need to think about your image stance as the more Doug sells the more likely he is to pop more out of the moulds:?
Anyway linked to the grav speeders.
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And now I succumbed to the Metal Magic lure...I've signed up with high hopes for the treasures I will be able to view in due course ;)
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You might need to think about your image stance
I must nothing.
The MM Forum is a .... my fan project.
All miniatures (hundreds) have been individually photographed by me.
There's my work in it, hundreds of hours.
I operate the Metal Magic Forum as a fan project for Hobby Products miniatures and not to my many photos (large images) to find in Goggle.
The large images please stay with me in the forum.
But if you want to use smaller images from my homepage.
Even in forums or blogs. ;)
Link: http://zinnfiguronline.bplaced.net/mmslords.htm
Doug can use at any time what he needs
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Doug can use at any time what he needs
That's very kind of you, Viruz but I would always check with you before using any. And, of course, give all proper credits and recognition.
Doug
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@ Doug
I know that. ;)
I'm with you no worries.
I'm glad you're ready to produce new Spacelords Miniatures. :D
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I must nothing.
The MM Forum is a .... my fan project.
All miniatures (hundreds) have been individually photographed by me.
There's my work in it, hundreds of hours.
I operate the Metal Magic Forum as a fan project for Hobby Products miniatures and not to my many photos (large images) to find in Goggle.
The large images please stay with me in the forum.
But if you want to use smaller images from my homepage.
Even in forums or blogs. ;)
Link: http://zinnfiguronline.bplaced.net/mmslords.htm
Doug can use at any time what he needs
I said might need to, not must. It was a suggestion not a demand.
I'm hoping this is just a case of lost in translation rather than unnecessary attitude?..
let's move on shall we.
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I'm sure this is just a misunderstanding caused by the English language. :)
Viruz states on his forum quite clearly that permission should be asked to share any of his images. I'd expect any members of his forum to obey his rules as a matter of courtesy.
I look forward to seeing everyone's images of painted spacelords figures when they are released by Em4.
Including mine... ;)
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Could do with another seven cybertech to make up one squad. I've got a sgt somewhere missing a foot so a little greenstuff and he should be good to go:
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They're brilliant commander. :D I was only this morning contemplating a storm trooper scheme for my yoyodyne Shigaru. Looks like you beat me too a similar idea by quite a bit. lol
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They're brilliant commander. :D I was only this morning contemplating a storm trooper scheme for my yoyodyne Shigaru. Looks like you beat me too a similar idea by quite a bit. lol
Idea my me, execution by a certain Swiss paint monkey! ;)
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They're brilliant commander. :D I was only this morning contemplating a storm trooper scheme for my yoyodyne Shigaru. Looks like you beat me too a similar idea by quite a bit. lol
Do it! Swop the blades out for sabres. Sith samurai! ;)
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Very nicely painted.
The colors of the right miniature I like very much. :-*
He looks a little like Santa Claus with Flame Thrower.
@ Ray Earle
Viruz states on his forum quite clearly that permission should be asked to share any of his images. I'd expect any members of his forum to obey his rules as a matter of courtesy.
correctly ;)
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…so that's 9 Phagon Battle-clones since yesterday morning…
Woot! Top man! 8)
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To all those newly registered on the Metal Magic board.
Back when Viruz established it, I played a bit of a more active role as Co-Admin and English Language Contact. I dropped out quite a bit from the MM aspect, but what with the new influx of international members, I'll be visiting over there more frequently. If you have any issues or questions, I shall be answering them, either as topic replies or you can send me a PM. My handle/username over there is Christian_S.
Regarding the copyright issue: As Viruz pointed out, the site is a labour of love and the product of many decades of collecting and hundreds of hours documenting the collection. People are free to join the site and contribute, but for those items produced by Viruz, as he is the copyright holder, you should, at the very least out of basic decency and courtesy, respect that and avoid any hotlinking of his content, or copying to other sites without first applying for permission.
As for this thread, I'd like people to get back to topic. I think it is an exciting proposition that Doug is actively working at getting more SL stuff into production, and I am personally looking forward to seeing the Sardaykin back available.
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Job done then. :)
So Doug, when can I buy these? ;) lol
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Job done then. :)
So Doug, when can I buy these? ;) lol
I'm planning to run the new moulds tomorrow - here's hoping there;s no major problems.... :)
Doug
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But you are quickly :o
Where is my wallet ?? :D
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I'm planning to run the new moulds tomorrow - here's hoping there;s no major problems.... :)
Doug
Fingers crossed. :D
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Grav speeders? ???
:D
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Grav speeders? ???
:D
No, Battle-Beasts! ;)
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Nah. All of 'em! lol
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Oh lord - the pressure :D
Time for another pint of Speckled Hen....
Doug
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Great, like I need a new project... Many thanks gentlemen :-[
:D
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Oh lord - the pressure :D
Time for another pint of Speckled Hen....
Doug
send u a four pack if the Grav speeder appears this week. ;D
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Would love to see Stella Starlight's Casino box set.
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Oh lord - the pressure :D
Time for another pint of Speckled Hen....
Have a couple for me Doug. ;)
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Thanks gents - but of course, I strictly limited my intake because I've got be fresh and breezy tomorrow for a hard day's casting.
So now, tucked up in bed and admirably sober, I wish you all "Good night"...!
Doug
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Keep us updated. I think there's a little bit if interest... ;)
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A stock of codes 3223; 3224; 3225; 3226 cast today....!
Doug
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Picks or it didn't happen ;) :D
Now the two million dollar questions: how much and how to buy lol
Cheers,
Za
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3223
3224
3225
3226
http://www.metalmagic.de/3221-3291-phagon-f42/3221-3230-phagon-battle-clones-t347.html
Cool,thanks.
Since some players will be happy.
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Price: £4.50 per set of 3 figures
Order by contacting me...! So, pm here or email to enquiries@em4miniatures.com
Doug
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And the price of the grav speeders? ;D
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Wow! Great stuff Doug. There's going to some happy Phagons collectors out there. :D
I'm looking to get an order in for the end of the week.
Anymore lined up? ;D
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Any chance of some pics of the figures, even archive photos would be cool.
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Images? OK
http://zinnfiguronline.bplaced.net/mmslpha.htm
Complete Space Lords range:
http://zinnfiguronline.bplaced.net/mmslords.htm
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Oooh! Some Cybertech SECS codes, please! 3061-3067 and 3092 if at all possible, Doug :)
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Thankyou very muchly Viruz :D
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Any chance of some pics of the figures, even archive photos would be cool.
Thanks to Viruz for his link. I'll put some pics of the castings up tomorrow.
And the price of the grav speeders? ;D
Oh you.... :D
Doug
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I'm just about to take some photos of the sets. Interestingly, one set (3226) differs from the illustration on Viruz's site. My 3226 has the centre and left hand figure from Viruz's illustration along with the right hand figure from his 3228. Reading the catalogue description, I think mine is correct... :o
Anyway, mine are based on the labels on the masters supplied by MM so I'm going to keep them as supplied. Hopefully, this will be the only contradiction with Viruz's codes (obviously 3228 will also be different but I haven't moulded them yet).
Doug
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Look forward to seeing some pics Doug. I wonder if there's z mystery figure in your 3228 then? ;)
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Look forward to seeing some pics Doug. I wonder if there's z mystery figure in your 3228 then? ;)
Reading the catalogue description, it should be the one Viruz has in his 3226. The catalogue describes it as:
....heavy flamer and hand needler...
which looks like the right hand figure Viruz has in 3226.
So, I'm not expecting a mystery figure to appear....!
Doug
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Have I confused two figures? >:( :o
C3226b with heavy flamer, standing
to
C 3228b communicator with heavy flamer and hand needler ??
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Bugger. ;)
Just have to settle for the overlords then.
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My mistake is corrected ,sorry. :?
http://www.metalmagic.de/3221-3291-phagon-f42/3221-3230-phagon-battle-clones-t347.html
The miniatures I have replaced. But only in the MMforum. Not on the Homepage.
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OK - here's photos of the nrew casting. figures have been black-washed to bring out the detail:
(http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h69/CannonOlympus01/Games%20and%20Miniatures/Phagons/3225bb_zps146c0cf9.jpg)
3225
(http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h69/CannonOlympus01/Games%20and%20Miniatures/Phagons/3224bb_zpsb0fa34d3.jpg)
3224
(http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h69/CannonOlympus01/Games%20and%20Miniatures/Phagons/3226bb_zps0387cc59.jpg)
3226
(http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h69/CannonOlympus01/Games%20and%20Miniatures/Phagons/3223bb_zps4db92b9f.jpg)
3223
Viruz - that was a huge range you catalogues so I'm not surprised there was an occasional mistake... :)
Doug
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Nice. :D
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Nice. :D
Thanks - just got wait and see if anyone buys any now....! :D
Doug
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I bloody hope so. I want those overlords to get released. ;)
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I'm drawing up an order of the new ones + various old hat I should've ordered ages ago. Will mail you shortly, Doug.
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Hallo Dough,
first of all thank you for reanimating this wonderful range. I hope for the "Bunkerbrecher" and "Sardaykin". But unfortunally all the other look for the rest. I think I have to wait very long...
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:) A good cast. ;)
I'm waiting for my order to the the Overlords have appeared. :'(
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I have to check my Battle Clones and see if I am missing any of these. I have a rather large stash of Battle Clones from trades and Ebay.
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Putting a list together… ;)
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I'm trembling with anticipation, chaps.... ;)
Doug
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Well when cybertech and grav speeders arrive I shall be ordering a nice number. Chop chop! ;)
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Well when cybertech and grav speeders arrive I shall be ordering a nice number. Chop chop! ;)
Oh no - if only you'd mentioned it earlier...... :D :D :D
Doug
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Well when cybertech and grav speeders arrive I shall be ordering a nice number. Chop chop! ;)
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Oh no, if only you'd mentioned........
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Go on Doug, release everything else first and those last, I double dare you lol
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Oh no, if only you'd mentioned........
sorry I was being a bit subtle wasn't I? ;)
However, if you recalll, about five years ago we had a lengthy email conversation about how you still had all the old masters and i asked about those so, just think of it as a continuation of that dialogue. Anyway watch it, there are other places one can buy ones hex bases from you know. ;) Are you going to be at Bovington this year?
Go on Doug, release everything else first and those last, I double dare you lol
And you, if he does then you'll get no swoop proxies so shut it Scott! :D
Now Mr Bubble and Squeak, you may enlighten me...
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sorry I was being a bit subtle wasn't I? ;)
However, if you recalll, about five years ago we had a lengthy email conversation about how you still had all the old masters and i asked about those so, just think of it as a continuation of that dialogue. Anyway watch it, there are other places one can buy ones hex bases from you know. ;) Are you going to be at Bovington this year?
Of course I remember, dear boy - I'm merely engaging in humorous banter.... lol
No - haven't done Bovington for many a long year. In fact, there's only two shows left for 2014 - Devizes and Warfare.
I'll have a go at your speed bike thingies now I'm on a roll. Probably not the next thing but soon. I'll need a few days to sort the stock for the 12 new codes and deal with the inevitable avalanche of orders that this thread has led me to expect before doing any more moulds.
In the meantime, dialogue is good - it keeps the topic at the top of the page for one thing... ;)
Doug
Doug
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TO OUR GERMAN CONTRIBUTORS -
Do any of you know Felix Stelter? I had an enquiry from him about the Phagons but my reply has bounced, for some reason so i need an alternative way of getting in touch.
Thanks
Doug
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Speaking of dialogue, although they don't have a direct mention in the poll - they are under "other" - it's still the adventurer and crew and other less front line types that I am after.
They are what will have me getting my wallet out.
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Speaking of dialogue, although they don't have a direct mention in the poll - they are under "other" - it's still the adventurer and crew and other less front line types that I am after.
They are what will have me getting my wallet out.
Some of these are even now out of their packs and lie on my bench, eagerly awaiting moulding . They scheduled to be amongst my next tranche of moulds.
Doug
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Some of these are even now out of their packs and lie on my bench, eagerly awaiting moulding . They scheduled to be amongst my next tranche of moulds
Nice one Doug. I'll put aside some cash and try to pick them up on release day - do my part to keep the Spacelords (space)ball rolling.
Im enjoying the little bit of insight into the production process too. I didn't realise that Speckled Hen was involved (my own production processes tend to involve cheap Lidl rosé ;)
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Yup, adventurers would be nice and I'm with Commander V on the Cybertech wartech front. :D
Even though I didn't vote for them I'm still going to pick some of those battle clones up. :D
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Nice one Doug. I'll put aside some cash and try to pick them up on release day - do my part to keep the Spacelords (space)ball rolling.
Im enjoying the little bit of insight into the production process too. I didn't realise that Speckled Hen was involved (my own production processes tend to involve cheap Lidl rosé ;)
The speckled Hen is a kickstarter - followed by the cheap Lidl Sauvignon Blanc to complete the process. Actually, I sometimes splash out on the not-quite-so-cheap Lidl SB - worth the extra pound...!
Doug
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The speckled Hen is a kickstarter - followed by the cheap Lidl Sauvignon Blanc to complete the process. Actually, I sometimes splash out on the not-quite-so-cheap Lidl SB - worth the extra pound...!
A pound!! I hope there's a discount for buying in bulk?! ;)
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I'll second Cheetor in his wish for the adventurers and ships crew. My cash will be flying towards you as soon as they appear!
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Of course I remember, dear boy - I'm merely engaging in humorous banter.... lol
No - haven't done Bovington for many a long year. In fact, there's only two shows left for 2014 - Devizes and Warfare.
I'll have a go at your speed bike thingies now I'm on a roll. Probably not the next thing but soon. I'll need a few days to sort the stock for the 12 new codes and deal with the inevitable avalanche of orders that this thread has led me to expect before doing any more moulds.
In the meantime, dialogue is good - it keeps the topic at the top of the page for one thing... ;)
Doug
Doug
That'll be fantastic Doug nice one. Consider Consider yourself reinstated as my hex fix supplier. ;)
R
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I'll second Cheetor in his wish for the adventurers and ships crew. My cash will be flying towards you as soon as they appear!
Have to agree with that. ;)
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Consider yourself reinstated as my hex fix supplier. ;)
Phew - I was worried for a while... :)
Doug
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A pound!! I hope there's a discount for buying in bulk?!
There is if you buy it by the pallet load. lol
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So what's been cast today Doug the demoulder? ;)
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So what's beden cast today Doug the demoulder? ;)
Nowt - I'm sorting stock for orders for the just released Phagons.
Doug
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PM send :D
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Seen On Ebay.
In the Hobby Products Gazetteer the Phagon Brotherhood is mentioned. (1994)
(Phagon - Mitglieder der Bruderschaft)
Link (http://www.ebay.de/itm/Gazetter-Ausgabe-1-Januar-1994-mit-Minimalversion-der-Demonworld-Regeln-HP-/181436695625?pt=Rollenspiele_Tabletops&hash=item2a3e784449)
Including planned by Hobby Products rank badges (decals).
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Have to wait until payday... boooo. :(
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If only I could read German viruz.
Nice find though. :D
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And I did not speak English. lol
Why are there Google Translator ? :D
Members of the Brotherhood sighted.
A new set of miniatures of the mysterious Space Lords Group of Phagon has been sighted.
Rumor enough, there is the legendary "members of the Brotherhood" equipped with various new weapons and various equipment.
The shape of the helmets to indicate psychic abilities.
Other new features on this shortly.
Not pretty but rarely translated. ;D
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First deliveries of the new castings are going out today....more mould making later this week.....
Doug
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Oh are they ready for buying? I was going to get some GW space marines instead... :P
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Oh are they ready for buying? I was going to get some GW space marines instead... :P
Saucy....! :D
Doug
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Oh are they ready for buying? I was going to get some GW space marines instead... :P
Oi nothing wrong with Space Marines... Oh wait.. nevermind.. there is ;) hehe
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First deliveries of the new castings are going out today....more mould making later this week.....
Doug
jjjjeeeeeeeeetttttttttt bbbbbiiikkkkeeeeee! :D
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jjjjeeeeeeeeetttttttttt bbbbbiiikkkkeeeeee! :D
Someone hinting ?.
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Will you be able to order these from the EM4 site also?
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Will you be able to order these from the EM4 site also?
No - not the new ones. Also the existing codes will be withdrawn as stocks are exhausted. For the time being, an email to the em4 email address (enquiries@em4miniatures.com) is the way to order them.
Doug
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Can I order by semaphore?
When you've got them will you bung some pictures up please, as I'm dreadful with names Pete, but pictures work of course.
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Mine arrived today. Thanks Doug. :D
Now go and mould some more!! ;)
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Cybertech SECS! Cybertech SECS! Plllleeeeeeeeassse! :D
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Grav speeders are coming! :D
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Can I order by semaphore?
When you've got them will you bung some pictures up please, as I'm dreadful with names Pete, but pictures work of course.
I may Arthur - if you ask nicely.....
Doug
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Photos of this week's release tomorrow (Thursday/Donnerstag).
Doug
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Cybertech SECS or Yoyodyne Shigaru... Fingers crossed. :)
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Photos of this week's release tomorrow (Thursday/Donnerstag)
Great, I look forward to it.
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Me too.
If its Wartechs you may as well just bill me now.. ;)
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Me too.
If its Wartechs you may as well just bill me now.. ;)
Oh yes! :D
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New thread, new releases… :D
http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=68105.0
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New thread, new releases… :D
http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=68105.0
Was it a good idea to start a new thread, do you think, chaps?
Doug
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My Spacelords order arrived today, so I decided to sort through all my Spacelords miniatures, so I would know what to buy as they get re-released.
In the process I came across 2 Cybertechs which I could not identify. Not from the Stuff of Legends or Metal Magic pages.
I really looked through it all and even tried to find out if it was headswaps or such, but could not find bodies which fit either.
(http://i965.photobucket.com/albums/ae132/jonasfrickmann/Spacelords/unknown-spacelords001_zps1536a3e5.jpg)
(http://i965.photobucket.com/albums/ae132/jonasfrickmann/Spacelords/unknown-spacelords002_zpseedbf312.jpg)
They have the Cybertech bodies and backpacks.
(http://i965.photobucket.com/albums/ae132/jonasfrickmann/Spacelords/unknown-spacelords003_zps28dca4e7.jpg)
(http://i965.photobucket.com/albums/ae132/jonasfrickmann/Spacelords/unknown-spacelords004_zpsa42c4f7f.jpg)
The pictures are not the best and one of them have a very thick paintjob, but I hope I can get some help anyway.
Thanks.
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Jonas - hopefully Viruz may be help on this one.
Doug
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Yes, I sent him a private message and pointed him this way.
I guess I should strip the poor guy on the left. Then I will at least be able to see if it is a conversion or not.
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Hm.
My suspicion is ..... conversions.
Remove the color and watch the most on the Gluten.
Maybe disengages the head?
If you're lucky, there are Unique Single pieces. :D
Remove the old paint and you know more.
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I'll put them right into stripping process and should have them in the lead whenever I find time to scrub the paint off.
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Throw the miniatures for 2 days in a glass with nitro thinners. Scrub with an old toothbrush. ;)
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I don't have any nitro thinner and I don't know what it is. I usually use some brwon crystal soap, it does the trick after a few days and toothbrush scrubbing too.
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Wiki Nitroverdünnung (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paint_thinner)
I'm curious about the result.
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Similarities ? ?
(http://i926.photobucket.com/albums/ad110/Metal_Magic_1986/User%20Pics/jonasunbekannt.png~original)
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I have both those models and I am not sure they match.
First one is a maybe, but I will have to check after stripping.
Second one is a no go, the backsides don't match and the stock of the gun is held very differently to the arm. Right now I am 99% sure these are not a match.
I took really long time comparing to my other models and pictures on Metal Magic and Stuff of Legends pages.
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If its anything like Nitromors we have in the UK it's a paint stripper, usually used for taking layers of paint off doors and the like.
It's very effective. 20 minute soak and a bit of a scrub with an old toothbrush will do the trick. ;)
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You can buy Nitromors in Denmark too Jonas. Bilka has it. I use it all the time and it also dissolves super glue.
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If its anything like Nitromors we have in the UK it's a paint stripper, usually used for taking layers of paint off doors and the like.
It's very effective. 20 minute soak and a bit of a scrub with an old toothbrush will do the trick. ;)
Fairy power spray is the mutt's nuts . Doesn't melt your fingers or plumbing either. Wilkinson's stock it. £3.60 a pop and can be further diluted with water too.
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Fairy power spray is the mutt's nuts
I was to look at Goggle ??? , in German "Backofenspray". :)
Good Idea.
The spray should be good to get old paint from plastic figures
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I was to look at Goggle ??? , in German "Backofenspray". :)
Good Idea.
The spray should be good to get old paint from plastic figures
It is fantastic for plastic and metal miniatures and as I said does not corrode skin or plumbing! :)
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Not sure wich Spacelords topic to put this in, but here goes:
Can you still get the Spacelords table-top rules and are they any good?
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You can't get them anymore. But I have them and they are only in German, so probably pretty effective lol
I think it would be better to play Spacelords with Victory Desicions rules or such.
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You can't get them anymore. But I have them and they are only in German, so probably pretty effective lol
I think it would be better to play Spacelords with Victory Desicions rules or such.
+1, I hope to use Victory Decision. In the moment I wait for the Robot-Supplement.
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Personality Dawleen added to "releases As They Happen" thread. Photo and detailsat bottom of first post.
http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=68351.0
Doug
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Top notch. :D
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Oh boys! Look what Ah gots he-ah: http://blackwidowpilot.blogspot.com/2014/07/metal-magic-madness.html (http://blackwidowpilot.blogspot.com/2014/07/metal-magic-madness.html)
Now, when's Doug going to release the rest of the Yoyodyne codes? I need an excuse to finish my Japanese-themed sci-fi brigade after all these years... :D
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@ Jonas
I have a possible explanation for your Spacelords, in German.
I ask for a translation into English.
Neues zu den unbekannten Spacelords
(Metal Magic Bote 08/1992)
nun sind sie da,die neuen Unit-Packs für Cybertech Truppen.
Erschienen sind 12 Packs für alle verfügbaren Squad Truppen.
Jede Squad enthält darüber hinaus ein spezielles Modell eines Squadleaders.
Die jetzt erschienen Unit Packs enthalten insgesamt 30 neue bisher nicht erhältliches Modelle.
30 new models? I believed I would have bought all models?
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Interesting. Maybe the masters are with Doug, we can always hope :D
Thanks.
I'll try and pull out the models and strip them tonight.
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Doug should match my image list with its Masters figures, we know that 30 miniatures are new. ???
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In my list is missing a figure, :o
I have found the figure in the Greensbox. C 3134
(http://www.metalmagic.de/download/file.php?id=63&sud=38223)
Looking for other "new" Spacelords I found this:
(http://www.metalmagic.de/download/file.php?id=65&sud=38223)
A conversion for the Spacelords unit packs?
Unfortunately I do not have photos of the contents of the Unit Packs? :'(
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I like that. Great figure. :D
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@Jonas
I have 7 new painted Cybertech from the Unit Pack
+ 8 painted Bunkerbreaker (Unit Pack)
+ 1x Unit Pack HP conversion from the Greensbox
+ your 2 Miniatures
+ 1 a miniature from the Metal Magic User yoyo (altered head position + Bags)
we lack still 11 "new "Cybertech Miniatures included Bunkerbreaker . ;D
(http://i926.photobucket.com/albums/ad110/Metal_Magic_1986/Spacelords%20Unit%20Packs/CybertechUnitPackMiniatures2.png~original)
Update :
+ 8 Bunkerbreaker
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I hope Doug's got some of those Wartechs somewhere. ;D
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I hope Dougsgot some of those Wartechs somewhere. ;D
I have no idea....! :)
Doug
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This thread title (and the other related Spacelord threads) only make me think of one thing whenever I see them!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8V0r_sK2fw
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I am 100% with you on the Monster Magnet thing. I have been quietly singing that song since this whole Spacelords thing broke a couple weeks back. Could be worse.
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Just had another order arrive from Doug, including the Dawleen figure. Absolutely great castings, barely any mould lines. Each one a real character. Top notch service as well. :D
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Just had another order arrive from Doug, including the Dawleen figure. Absolutely great castings, barely any mould lines. Each one a real character. Top notch service as well. :D
Cheque's in the post, Ray...... :D
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Cheque's in the post, Ray...... :D
If it gets here as quickly as the figures did I'll be very impressed. ;)
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Received my Spacelords order today, very nice crisp casts. Thanks for offering them up again!
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First Grav-speeder release detailed on the other thread. Take a look and help me out with the identification issue. Oh, and enjoy the revised price....!
Doug
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Anyone any suggestions for other forums to promote these re-releases on? Currently, I'm only announcing them here and on TMP. Where else would be good?
Doug
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We are already talking about it on the Oldhammer Forum, so setting up a post of how to order/list of releases would maybe be a good thing.
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Jonas
I've got the ongoing thread here with all the info so do you think either a link to that or a copy of it posted there would do? I don't know the forum myself.
Doug
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Jonas
I've got the ongoing thread here with all the info so do you think either a link to that or a copy of it posted there would do? I don't know the forum myself.
Doug
I'm sure if you sign up for the Oldhammer forum (http://forum.oldhammer.org.uk/) and give the information in person it'll go down rather well rather then someone linking on your behalf.
Plenty of Old lead heads on there so It's a good market to crack :)
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I'm sure if you sign up for the Oldhammer forum (http://forum.oldhammer.org.uk/) and give the information in person it'll go down rather well rather then someone linking on your behalf.
Plenty of Old lead heads on there so It's a good market to crack :)
To avoid further cutting into Doug's retirement time there's enough if us here to make appropriate representation. ;)
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Anyone any suggestions for other forums to promote these re-releases on? Currently, I'm only announcing them here and on TMP. Where else would be good?
Doug
I frequent DakkaDakka, they have a 'News and Rumors' section, certainly no harm posting there.
There's also Frothers, I enjoy popping in there but it's not for everyone. After being a visitor for a couple years I'm still not sure what announcements are going to be received with joy and which ones are going to be massacred by the regulars. Something to do with the phase of the moon perhaps? :)
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There's an off-shoot of Frothers that might be worth advertising on?
http://www.randomplatypus.com/forum/index.php?&sid=c397c1ca423a46563bc75f03fd6d8011
Seems more about the miniatures. ;)
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There's an off-shoot of Frothers that might be worth advertising on?
http://www.randomplatypus.com/forum/index.php?&sid=c397c1ca423a46563bc75f03fd6d8011
Seems more about the miniatures. ;)
That looks hopeful - will have a longer look later.
Thanks
Doug
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There's an off-shoot of Frothers that might be worth advertising on?
http://www.randomplatypus.com/forum/index.php?&sid=c397c1ca423a46563bc75f03fd6d8011
Seems more about the miniatures. ;)
I posted a thread on Randypus about the rerelease of the spacelords a while back:
http://www.randomplatypus.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=672
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Ah, so you did. And I read that thread too. :?
Maybe just needs an update then - push it to the top of the list. Or a new thread on the Commercial Announcements board?
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What's coming next then? lol
(Sorry Doug!…) ;)
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What's coming next then? lol
(Sorry Doug!…) ;)
Er - hmmm
Doug
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What's coming next then? lol
(Sorry Doug!…) ;)
More of the bareheaded SECS chappies
Doug
Fixed that for you, Doug ;)
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Well, so far the bareheaded S.E.C.S. chappie I've released has sold about 5 times which isn't encouraging me to do many more any time soon.... :(
Doug
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Anyone any suggestions for other forums to promote these re-releases on? Currently, I'm only announcing them here and on TMP. Where else would be good?
Doug
If you've got them painted http://en.reddit.com/r/minipainting/
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Well, so far the bareheaded S.E.C.S. chappie I've released has sold about 5 times which isn't encouraging me to do many more any time soon.... :(
Uh, which one is that?
Do you mean the grav speeder dude? I think many people are waiting for more. I am. I know your stance on "waiting for more" but I can't justify over seas shipping for a single gravspeeder + dawleen. Also - worth bearing in mind, grav speeders are much less interesting to most than infantry guys. Foot dudes can be used for small skirmish which I think is the main purpose for people to get these.
Out of all foot troops (Cybertech, Yoyodyne, Battleclones and Sarday'kin) I'm pretty sure SECS would be amongst the most popular ones with people unfamiliar with the ranges. They're great general scifi fighters and they're much better as personalities as most of them don't have helmets.
How many speeders would you need to flog before you hit break even?
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I think many people are waiting for more.
Yes, I am one of those. :'(
As a Hobby Products Collector i own Reserves about 6 Gravspeeder and 5-6 Phagon Walker. ;)
I'm just waiting on some miniatures and would then Order.
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Other way round for me Phreedh I'm looking forward to seeing the Wartechs (ones with helmets) as they fit into a sci-fi setting more for me.
Everyone in the future should have a helmet. :D
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Once again, I agree with Ray. I'd love to see some of the Wartech guys released. Sci-fi soldiers that would fit in many game settings and with other ranges. I'd personally champion the C3031 (machine pistols/SMGs), the C3032 (autoguns) and the C3036 (heavy MG) packs. That'd be a good starter mix for a decent force.
Sadly, until there are foot-sloggers available, I wouldn't want to buy Wartech jetbikes. They'd come later...
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I agree about wanting the SECS troops. They fit anywhere in my game and are great looking figures!! I will order any you make and multiples of many of them. Wartechs next and any more personalities.
Thanks,
Larry
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Other way round for me Phreedh
You deviant! :D
Once again, I agree with Ray.
And you too! lol
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Other way round for me Phreedh I'm looking forward to seeing the Wartechs (ones with helmets) as they fit into a sci-fi setting more for me.
Everyone in the future should have a helmet. :D
:D
yup im in for eightteen when cast to make two squads of ten.
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Look at the last half dozen or so posts and you can detect a problem (for me anyway)....
Doug
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Poll? ;) lol
I can see where you're coming from Doug. To be honest, if you release the S.E.C.S first I'll probably get a few anyway. I want to support this project as a whole and although originally I hadn't voted for Phagons. I haven't been disappointed with any of the battle clones I ordered. In fact I think they got a new fan. :D
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Some good stuff being put into production here. I have put in an order. The civilians and adventurers are particularly interesting to me, but the grav bike looks good (and very cheap) too. I will probably put in an order again if this enterprise continues, but like others, international postage means buying each thing as it comes out is tricky. Not being knowledgable about this range, it is hard to advise about what would be a good seller. All I can say is that if there are more like the adventurers I will follow with interest.
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A lot of good points being made. As regards buying things as they come out, I wouldn't think that was realistic - I'd expectd people to buy when sufficinet items to interest them were available. However, from my point of view, making regular releases of one or two sets is the only practical way of handling it. I haven't time to do a large amount of releases at once and it's also more of a financial risk.
Doug
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Well this is dire news. I have been trying to do whatever I can to help this project make it to completion. Have placed two large orders with three speeders on the newest... The SECS guys are the ones I want the most! I guess next week is going to have to be a big order of doubles. Hell I would be happy to just send a flat rate per week as some kind of subscription. Like an ongoing kickstarter.
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@ Doug em4
Your reasons are understandable.
You're doing it the way you like them. ;)
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Mister Droid - I wouldn't say it was dire news. It's understandable that each of us isn't going to get exactly what we want released before anything else. I, for one, am happy to wait patiently for the Wartechs I want, which will obviously be released next before anything anyone else would like… ;)
Joking aside, I think Doug is doing a great job and is trying to keep us all happy. Let's just see what comes next.
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Truly, I do not care what models are released or in what order. I will buy them all regardless. My only hope is that there is enough continuing support to make it worth Doug's time and effort to see this through to the end. For any manufacturer, but especially the small guys, buying product works like a vote. The money quite literally tells you what is working and what is not. Whereas promises are just so much wind. If everybody sits on their hands, "I would buy x, but I am waiting for z" or " when you make x, I promise you, I will buy ten million units."...I mean, the gesture is clearly meant well, but it isn't paying for silicone and metal- let alone the time spent making the effort. simply put, if too few purchases are made, if the returns are less than break evens, I just cannot imagine this project following through with the rather large amount of figures in the line. Perhaps I am wrong, I certainly hope so.
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Mister Droid - if you are who I think you are, you've certainly "put your money where your mouth is" for which I thank you most heartily.
Doug
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I'm taking the Spacelords line to Attack in Devizes this weekend so a chance to see it all in the lfech if you are attending. Look forward to seeing some of you there.
Doug
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Did you guys see the old Metal Magic catalogue posted on Facebook? Featured colour pics of the range way back when...
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I'm taking the Spacelords line to Attack in Devizes this weekend so a chance to see it all in the lfech if you are attending. Look forward to seeing some of you there.
Doug
I trust Attack was a success Doug? I hope you sold loads! :D
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I trust Attack was a success Doug? I hope you sold loads! :D
Saturday was the best day at Attack in 10 years - no Spacelords sold.... :-[
Sunday - sold some packs to a LAFFER who took pity on me (I won't id who). Then I virtually strong-armed a fellow Devizes club member into buying some. And that, I'm afraid, was it....
Doug
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That is unfortunate. :o
Too bad there are not more Spacelords Fans. >:(
The Game System and the Miniatures were perhaps too long in the drawer? ???
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That is unfortunate. :o
Too bad there are not more Spacelords Fans. >:(
The Game System and the Miniatures were perhaps too long in the drawer? ???
I'm not down-hearted. At a show, there will be only a certain percentage of attendees interested and of those, at this stage, only a small proprtion are probably aware of the availability of the range at that show. Hopefully, as people become more aware that the range is on sale at shows, they'll come looking for it.
Doug
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I hope with some background from the old rules and the conversion to ViDe it will get some fans. I mailed to the owner of the rights and hope to get the allowance to use parts.
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3 more Grav-speeders released - on post 1 of the Re-release topic:
http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=68351.0
Doug
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3 more Grav-speeders released - on post 1 of the Re-release topic:
http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=68351.0
Hey Doug, just came to think of something - do the speeder riders come with optional arms or only those pictured? I have a few original Hobby Products speeders and they came with a choice of weapon or empty hand.
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The empty hand is proving a problem to cast every time so I have a choice. Either get them out with just the weapon and keep them at £4.00 each or fanny around, trying to get enough empty hands out, taking two, three or more times longer to get sets together (as well as reducing the mould life) and charge considerably more.
I've gone for the one hand only option. Incidentally, there is no choice of hand weapon in the masters I've got.
Doug
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I've gone for the one hand only option. Incidentally, there is no choice of hand weapon in the masters I've got.
Fair enough - just wanted to avoid any possible disappointment. =) And regarding weapon hand, I don't think there were any options.
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I never know now which thread to post on - maybe I'll duplicate this.
I'm wondering about doing Random Bargain Packs. Why? Well, the moulds for Spacelords usually contain from 3 to 5 different figures. Inevitably on some spins there will be cavities that don't cast so I end up with extra figures that I can't make sets of. So, would there be any interest in bags of, say 10 random Phagon Battlecones or 10 random Beastmen, Bunkerbreakers etc. Price would be £10 per bag (in other words £1 per figure instead of £1.50).
Doug
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So, would there be any interest in bags of, say 10 random Phagon Battlecones or 10 random Beastmen, Bunkerbreakers etc. Price would be £10 per bag (in other words £1 per figure instead of £1.50).
I could definitely go for one or two of those at some stage. Bunkerbreakers and Battleclones I suspect (I have enough Beastmen for now).
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I never know now which thread to post on - maybe I'll duplicate this.
I'm wondering about doing Random Bargain Packs. Why? Well, the moulds for Spacelords usually contain from 3 to 5 different figures. Inevitably on some spins there will be cavities that don't cast so I end up with extra figures that I can't make sets of. So, would there be any interest in bags of, say 10 random Phagon Battlecones or 10 random Beastmen, Bunkerbreakers etc. Price would be £10 per bag (in other words £1 per figure instead of £1.50).
Doug
For now it would have no interest for me, since I am trying to collect one of each miniature. But if I at some point want to boost the Phagons or such, maybe I would bite here too.
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I'd be rather interested in a bag or 2 of random Beastmen (Warms up the paypal account) :D
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I'd be rather interested in a bag or 2 of random Beastmen (Warms up the paypal account) :D
There's nothing so cheery as a nice warm Paypal account :D
Doug
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Mine have been bled dry... by people such as your own good self! lol
I think I need to push some more lead pile surplus stuff before I get the next Spacelords order in. That, and a little more paint on old lead. My scifi collection is out-growing the box I had designated for it. :D
There's nothing so cheery as a nice warm Paypal account :D
Doug
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My scifi collection is out-growing the box I had designated for it. :D
I think every can't have enough SciFi and especially Spacelords stuff. Maybe your box is shrinking or was too small when you bought it. ;)
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I'd be rather interested in a bag or 2 of random Beastmen (Warms up the paypal account) :D
+1 here. I'd love to buy a bag of random beastmen and a bag of random battleclones.
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Would be a plan Doug. :D
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Would there be any interest in bags of, say 10 random Phagon Battlecones or 10 random Beastmen, Bunkerbreakers etc. Price would be £10 per bag (in other words £1 per figure instead of £1.50).
I would be interested. If they were packs of five even more so.
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I'd be up for a bag o' beastmen. My only question is about size - I've never seen the Spacelords in person. Are they 25mm or are they big enough to go with other 28mm lines without looking puny?
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So, would there be any interest in bags of, say 10 random Phagon Battlecones or 10 random Beastmen, Bunkerbreakers etc. Price would be £10 per bag (in other words £1 per figure instead of £1.50).
This is a very good Idea.
If you do not make a financial loss.
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I'd be up for a bag o' beastmen. My only question is about size - I've never seen the Spacelords in person. Are they 25mm or are they big enough to go with other 28mm lines without looking puny?
Here's a couple of blurry, badly lit photos I took years ago comparing Spacelords with em4's Future Skirmish range.
(http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h69/CannonOlympus01/Games%20and%20Miniatures/Spacelords/IMG_4583_zpsac7c758d.jpg)
(http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h69/CannonOlympus01/Games%20and%20Miniatures/Spacelords/IMG_4584_zps92540103.jpg)
Doug
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(http://i965.photobucket.com/albums/ae132/jonasfrickmann/Painting%202013/avians004_zps3a58396d.jpg)
Maybe not much help here, but had this old photo lying around.
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I've got a few :D
(http://i926.photobucket.com/albums/ad110/Metal_Magic_1986/Kompatibel/DSC02482.jpg)
Left to right :
* Spacelords Cybertech
* Void
* KillerBGames
* WSD
(http://i926.photobucket.com/albums/ad110/Metal_Magic_1986/Kompatibel/DSC02481.jpg)
Left to right :
* Spacelords Sarday'kin
* Spacelords Cybertech
* GW old Terminator
* GW new Terminator
(http://i926.photobucket.com/albums/ad110/Metal_Magic_1986/whats%20new/DSC02770.jpg)
Left to right :
* Spacelords Cybertech
* Space Vixens
* Space Vixens
* Space Vixens
* Spacelords Phagon
(http://i926.photobucket.com/albums/ad110/Metal_Magic_1986/whats%20new/DSC03060.jpg)
Left to right :
* MegaMinis
* SpaceVixens
* Spacelords Phagon
Greetings....
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Thanks for the pictures guys. I have the bearded biker-like guy from future warriors so I can see the size based on him.
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Doug - any idea when we might see some of the Cybertech Wartechs get released? I'm after the ones with SMGs, MGs and HMGs. ???
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Doug - any idea when we might see some of the Cybertech Wartechs get released? I'm after the ones with SMGs, MGs and HMGs. ???
Things are slowing down at the moment as the date of a house-move approaches (I've just taken the best part of a week packing most of my books up - I really must get rid of some of them...!). So I can't give you a schedule. I'll squeeze in some more mould making as and when I can - just don't know what yet.
Set 3031 is available of course. Armed with MP which I presume counts as an smg becasue I don't see any on the list described as being armed with smg.
Doug
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Apologies. I forgot about the house move! I wouldn't have asked if I'd remembered. Doh!
Set 3031 is available of course. Armed with MP…
:o Oo! Oo! Is it? I can't see it on the rerelease thread! (And yeah, I meant MP - machine pistol/SMG sorta kinda like the same thing ish. :D)
I look forward to 3032 (autoguns) and 3036 (heavy MGs) becoming available in the future. ;)
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3031? Really?
When did you sneak that one out Doug? :o
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I think the models used to be on the EM4 page. So all the stuff previously available there is available from Doug. But since there is no where to see those models it is kind of hard to guess about it.
Would be great with a complete list of available models though.
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No, 3031 are Wartechs with MPs. The Cybertechs that were on EM4's site were Heavies.
I agree that a list of available models would be a big help. Maybe Doug could add it to the rerelease thread?
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I have got a list....
email me if you want a copy:
enquiries@em4miniatures.com
<edit> Is there anyhwere here I could upload it to?
Doug
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I don't think there is anywhere to do that on LAF. It's a case of copying and pasting the list or uploading it to a Dropbox account or Mediafire or similar and posting the link. A PDF might be your best bet in that case.
Of course, if anyone knows otherwise, chime in! :D
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I have got a list....
email me if you want a copy:
enquiries@em4miniatures.com
<edit> Is there anyhwere here I could upload it to?
Doug
Dough, the only way is to put it on a dropbox (like I do it with my stuff), make it public and post the link here. Or use your own webspace and put a link here.
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Dough, the only way is to put it on a dropbox (like I do it with my stuff), make it public and post the link here. Or use your own webspace and put a link here.
OK - let's try this (I haven't done a lot with dropbox so this may take a while :) ):
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/7pp9caifmf49loz/AACFccT3-NzOGrs0Wd9-KJpna
Doug
ps @ NurgleHH - my name is Doug.... Dough is something you make bread with....!!! :D
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Doh! ;)
Works fine for me Doug. You got my hopes up with that 3031 though.
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Doh! ;)
You got my hopes up with that 3031 though.
Have they been dashed, then? Why?
Doug
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Yoydyne Commander and Standard Bearer now released. Photo on "Releases as They Happen" thread.
Doug
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Have they been dashed, then? Why?
Doug
Because pack 3031 isn't on the list? :( I'm guessing it's not available yet…
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Because pack 3031 isn't on the list? :( I'm guessing it's not available yet…
That was my understanding.
3031 is the Wartechs, the guys with helmets to go with the jet bikes Doug.
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Because pack 3031 isn't on the list? :( I'm guessing it's not available yet…
just realised that I made a mistake there - I was confusing them with 3130 and 3131 - same weapons; different race...I'm allowed to make mistakes - I'm an OAP...!
Doug
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No problem. Now go and release the 3030 and 3031 :D
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No problem. Now go and release the 3030 and 3031 :D
Seconded. ;)
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when I can buy 2 mixed bags of those wartech guys x10 with a mix of guns and do-dads PM me please doug. Its getting to the point I cant keep up with whats what anymore because I am stupid in my dotage
PM sent.
One day, we'll have to visit each others dotage. Mine is very like a gin bottle. lol
Doug
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The link to the current list on the re-release topic http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=68351.0 is now working. It's not a very elegant looking link - it may be possible to make it so but i don't know how. However, ther main thing is, it works (I think).
Thanks to NurgleHH for pointing it out - although he's still spelling my name wrong ;)
Doug not Dough
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Doug (without H),
Names are my big Problem, ask Agis. He can confirm it. But after a while I will learn it.
Sorry...
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Doug (without H),
Names are my big Problem, ask Agis. He can confirm it. But after a while I will learn it.
Sorry...
No problem - it was quite funny really but I'm not used to being called a lump of unbaked bread lol lol lol
Doug
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No problem - it was quite funny really but I'm not used to being called a lump of unbaked bread lol lol lol
Doug
It also means, that you can be a beautiful cake, when you are grown... ;)
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First he's doughy, now he's spongy… we'll be giving the man a complex! :D
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First he's doughy, now he's spongy… we'll be giving the man a complex! :D
As long as I don't get the dreaded soggy bottom.... lol
Doug
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Please delete, have engaged brain ::)
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I never know now which thread to post on - maybe I'll duplicate this.
I'm wondering about doing Random Bargain Packs. Why? Well, the moulds for Spacelords usually contain from 3 to 5 different figures. Inevitably on some spins there will be cavities that don't cast so I end up with extra figures that I can't make sets of. So, would there be any interest in bags of, say 10 random Phagon Battlecones or 10 random Beastmen, Bunkerbreakers etc. Price would be £10 per bag (in other words £1 per figure instead of £1.50).
Doug
My house move took place 10 days ago and I'm emerging from the total chaos to merely chaos. This means that I can do random packs now if anyone is interested (maybe not - this thread has been dormant for a while - probably because of me not doing anything related to it...!).
Anyway, this is what is available:
Bunkerbreakers - 3 of the six figures currently available are overstocked:
* autogunner advancing with gun raised
* heavy laser with weapon horizontal across the waist
* standing figure with gun at his side.
RANDOM MIX of 10 of these - £10.00
Phagon Battleclones - 3 overstocked figures
* needler advancing with weapon raised
* needler firing
* heavy needler advancing eapon raised
* heavy needler advancing weapon raised but not quite as much (!)
RANDOM MIX of 10 of these - £10.00
Phagons (Beastmen)
* neddler standing with weapon pointng down
* needler advancing, weapon slightly raise
*All the laser rifles, combat needlers, heavy flamers and commanders
RANDOM MIX of 10 of these - £10.00
Doug
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Nice one email sent :D
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Doug!!! You're alive!!! :D
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Are there any updates in the pipeline? ;)
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Doug!!! You're alive!!! :D
Yes - and very active, although more in the digging trenches and slashing undergrowth areas than with Spacelords.
Are there any updates in the pipeline? ;)
Er - there is not a lot of interest at the moment. Is that because I haven't done any more new releases for a while? Ot just because Spacelords are actually not that popular? There hasn't been much response to the Bargain Packs I mentioned last week and the sales of the Grav-speeders were disappointing deapite the noise that was made about them prior to me doing them.
So - I'm re-thinking the whole project.
Doug
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Yes - and very active, although more in the digging trenches and slashing undergrowth areas than with Spacelords.
Preparing for an invasion?
Er - there is not a lot of interest at the moment. Is that because I haven't done any more new releases for a while?
Yes. Yes it is.
There hasn't been much response to the Bargain Packs I mentioned last week
Wasn't much fanfare if I recall? A whispered mention here?
I'm re-thinking the whole project.
Noooooooo! I still owe you an order, but I was hoping there may be a sign of the Cybertech Wartechs at least before I ordered.
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Er - there is not a lot of interest at the moment. Is that because I haven't done any more new releases for a while? Ot just because Spacelords are actually not that popular? There hasn't been much response to the Bargain Packs I mentioned last week and the sales of the Grav-speeders were disappointing deapite the noise that was made about them prior to me doing them.
So - I'm re-thinking the whole project.
Doug
My order is still waiting. Unforseen expenses came in the way. I still have a list of wanted miniatured which you already released and they will be ordered before doomsday!
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Er - there is not a lot of interest at the moment. Is that because I haven't done any more new releases for a while? Ot just because Spacelords are actually not that popular? There hasn't been much response to the Bargain Packs I mentioned last week and the sales of the Grav-speeders were disappointing deapite the noise that was made about them prior to me doing them.
So - I'm re-thinking the whole project.
Doug
Well, I sent an email with an order to enquiries@em4miniatures.com a few days ago. :)
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Got my Phagon Beastmen mixed bag very happy with them and I recommend everyone getting a bag as the value is crazy good.
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Yep, waiting for the Cybertech Wartechs (guys in helmets).
They're the ones I've been after since the original poll, but saying that I have ordered other figures from the line to hopefully keep the releases rolling. :D
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Well, I sent an email with an order to enquiries@em4miniatures.com a few days ago. :)
I haven't got it. Do you want to pm me your name and I'll double check?
Doug
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I haven't got it. Do you want to pm me your name and I'll double check?
Doug
I've sent a PM.
I personally would be sad to see the Spacelords range go, as it has some really really great and old miniatures.
After this order, there still are a lot of stuff in the range that I'd like to get, but since my money is sorta limited (being a student and whatnot) I'll propably have to pace myself a little bit :P
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I've sent a PM.
I personally would be sad to see the Spacelords range go, as it has some really really great and old miniatures.
After this order, there still are a lot of stuff in the range that I'd like to get, but since my money is sorta limited (being a student and whatnot) I'll propably have to pace myself a little bit :P
Thanks for the pm - I'll process your order right away.
Doug
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"Yep, waiting for the Cybertech Wartechs (guys in helmets). "
Oh yes. I'd go for a bunch of those as well. I'd even pre-order if it would help...
TBH, I thought this was going to happen when you started doing the adventurers and character figures that are nice, but people only want one each of. Yes, everyone voted for them because they want one -- but only the one. Whereas nice basic sci-fi infantry is something people buy a platoon of.
And to back that up -- if you make the rifle Wartechs, with a couple of types of heavy weapons for support, I'll buy a reinforced platoon of them. Call it 40 figs.
I'm sure there must be others who'd join in... anyone?
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Happy to pre-order the Wartechs if it helps get them produced. :D
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I think Doug has thrown himself in one of his trenches, with a cry of "Why did I ever mention those sodding Spacelords?" lol
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I've got a few :D
(http://i926.photobucket.com/albums/ad110/Metal_Magic_1986/whats%20new/DSC02770.jpg)
Left to right :
* Spacelords Cybertech
* Space Vixens
* Space Vixens
* Space Vixens
* Spacelords Phagon
OK, I've never seen that Wartech and the Phagon poses in this photo. Do you happen to know the codes for these tow? The former would fit right in with my platoon's worth of Wartechs, while a basic figure Phagon with empty hands would make for all sorts of conversion possibilities, especially for a WH40KRT Imperial Army beastman company like I've always wanted.... :D
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For this miniatures no codes are available.
I own the original HP Greens. :D
The two miniatures are conversions.
The Greens are cut and put together newly.
(http://i926.photobucket.com/albums/ad110/Metal_Magic_1986/Katalog%20mm/Greens/DSC01630.jpg)
(http://i926.photobucket.com/albums/ad110/Metal_Magic_1986/Katalog%20mm/Greens/DSC01632.jpg)
Here 3 new conversions for my Diorama :
(http://i926.photobucket.com/albums/ad110/Metal_Magic_1986/SL%20Battlescene/figuren/DSC05256.jpg)
Greetings...
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Cool stuff Viruz and nice conversions! :D
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Brilliant conversions Viruz. Looking forward to seeing more of your diorama. :D
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Thank you for your Feedback.
Convert SL miniatures also a lot of fun. :D
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Is there a place where a person can easily see all the currently re-released spacelords miniatures in one location without having to flip through many pages of a forum?
Ironically, I gave up on my Spacelords project about a year before the re-release and sold off all my Sardaykin, but seeing some of the stuff coming out, I might want to pick up some civies and less-armored troops.
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eilif:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/7pp9caifmf49loz/AACFccT3-NzOGrs0Wd9-KJpna?dl=0
And this:
http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=71507.60
Hope they help.
Doug
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Perfect,
Thanks Doug! I knew they had to be collected somewhere. I'm going to forward this to a couple buddies of mine who also love old-school figs.
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I have a question -- what does S.E.C.S. stand for? Was there a backstory for all these factions?
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The Secs are the light troops of the Cyber or Wartech.
The Bunkerbreaker are heavy units. ;)
http://zinnfiguronline.bplaced.net/mmslcyber.htm
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I have a question -- what does S.E.C.S. stand for? Was there a backstory for all these factions?
Katie - I asked this very question myself a few weeks ago (I make 'em but I don't know much about 'em] :). The answers are on one of the Spacelords threads but just now, I can't find it...!
Doug
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Find it here:
http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=68528.msg830891#msg830891 (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=68528.msg830891#msg830891)
The Spacelords rules are quite strange since they are in German, but a lot of weapon names and other names are still English.
I can quote it direct:
Cybertech-Organisation 1
"Die Kampfeinheiten der Cybertechs werden in Bunkerbrecher, Assault-Support-Units oder Wartechs und SECS (Security-Screen) Einheiten untergliedert."
Losely translate to:
"The combat units of the Cybertech can be subdivided into units of Bunker Breakers, Assault Support Units or Wartechs and SECS (Security Screen)"
I can't really find anything other description of the term. So I would think the added punctuation has come later. So they are probably not really S.E.C.S. but Sec-S = Security Screen.
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Dear List Members:
I would like to know where I can find a complete list of Space Lords miniatures that were produced?
David P.
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Try Stuff of Legends site: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~tpope/sol/metal-magic/spacelords.html (http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~tpope/sol/metal-magic/spacelords.html) :D
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Try Stuff of Legends site: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~tpope/sol/metal-magic/spacelords.html (http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~tpope/sol/metal-magic/spacelords.html) :D
I would suggest you try Viruz' site: http://www.metalmagic.de/
Another good reference is Lost Minis Wiki: http://www.miniatures-workshop.com/lostminiswiki/index.php?title=Category:Spacelords_%28Metal_Magic%29
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And here:
http://zinnfiguronline.bplaced.net/mmslords.htm ;)
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I have found pictures of the old Spacelords Multipacks on my PC. :o
I would like to share the photos you.
-Bunkerbreaker
-Wartech
-Yoyodyne
-Phagon
-Sarday´kin
Greetings.... ;)
(http://i926.photobucket.com/albums/ad110/Metal_Magic_1986/Serienmm/sl%20m%20packs/m%20pack%20bb.jpg~original)
(http://i926.photobucket.com/albums/ad110/Metal_Magic_1986/Serienmm/sl%20m%20packs/m%20pack%20wartech.jpg~original)
(http://i926.photobucket.com/albums/ad110/Metal_Magic_1986/Serienmm/sl%20m%20packs/m%20pack%20yoyodyne1.jpg~original)
(http://i926.photobucket.com/albums/ad110/Metal_Magic_1986/Serienmm/sl%20m%20packs/m%20pack%20yoyodyne2.jpg~original)
(http://i926.photobucket.com/albums/ad110/Metal_Magic_1986/Serienmm/sl%20m%20packs/m%20pack%20phagon1.jpg~original)
(http://i926.photobucket.com/albums/ad110/Metal_Magic_1986/Serienmm/sl%20m%20packs/m%20pack%20phagon2.jpg~original)
(http://i926.photobucket.com/albums/ad110/Metal_Magic_1986/Serienmm/sl%20m%20packs/m%20pack%20sardaykin.jpg~original)
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Ah, those multipacks! What gloriously beautiful sights they were when I first laid eyes on them in my FLGS so long ago! :D
Now, if only Doug could be persuaded to rerelease the Sardaykin Legion and the Yoyodyne Shigaru heavy machine gunner poses so I can finish my Yoyodyne platoon... 8)
And Viruz, for the love of everything small, metal, and holy, you're certain there's no way you can hand some of those unreleased greens over to Doug for casting? It strikes me as a real shame that all those original sculpts will be denied a wider audience than your most excellent diorama efforts (ie., we wanna play with some of our own, dammit! lol)
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Doug has the opportunity to bring the unpublished Phagon or rare Wartech (Unite Packs) miniatures to casting.
I do not know why he does not do that.
I would be happy about that.
However, I no longer believe it.
I have consume ca. 99.99% of my complete Spacelords Greens. :'(
There is almost nothing more there. :'( :'(
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You're right. ;)
But the Chances of new and rare Phagon/Wartech Spacelords are getting smaller.
It would be casting the miniatures, the have been rare in the Spacelords Unit Box, as the miniatures of which many are available.
What a pity!
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Doug has the opportunity to bring the unpublished Phagon or rare Wartech (Unite Packs) miniatures to casting.
I do not know why he does not do that.
I would be happy about that.
However, I no longer believe it.
Viruz, keep the faith! But because of the following...
I have consume ca. 99.99% of my complete Spacelords Greens. :'(
There is almost nothing more there. :'( :'(
You must atone for this heinous act!!! Only seppuku will suffice!! Fall upon your keyboard to atone for your unpardonable sins!!! lol
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I think you will find releases are based on sales. More sales more releases.
The main problem is the missing ruleset. I got my Gates of Antares last week. Good ruleset, must try it for spacelords. I own a lot of the originals, so I do not buy more. Only special stuff like gliders are interesting.
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@ BlackWidowPilot
Viruz, keep the faith! But because of the following...
Thank you. You've made my Day . :D
You must atone for this heinous act!!! Only seppuku will suffice!! Fall upon your keyboard to atone for your unpardonable sins!!!
And.....
I am ashamed of myself :?
The main problem is the missing ruleset.
Ja,definitely.
It missing the English translation of the rules. :-[
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I think you will find releases are based on sales. More sales more releases.
There's a lot of truth in that, Scurv. With the launch of Moonraker Miniatures, it's easier to order Spacelords:
For those who've missed it - http://moonrakerminiatures.com/spacelords.htm
However, other items on the site sell better than Spacelords so I've been making moulds for other things (Dunwich Detectives, Gladiators etc) rather than Spacelords.
I know some items are particularly requested (Leland... :) ) and will sell a few but I need a more regular demand to inspire me into making more. This is not me begging for sales (honestly...!); I'm just giving an explanation.
Doug
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To be honest, we could do with a few more Cybertech and Wartech troop releases to make gaming forces viable. For example, if I wanted to pit Cybertech grunts against Phagons, I can't even buy support weapons for the puny humans! It's the one thing that's putting me off jumping in. I could still buy what's available, but there's no guarantee at the moment that I'll be able to field MGs etc.
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The Problem is:
* No (english) rules of the Game
* Insufficient available Figures
* too little available Races
* no monthly Updates (new Miniatures releases)
* Almost no Advertising
At Hobby Products, there were monthly new miniatures. :)
(Metal Magic Bote)
The miniatures are not often bought because the buyer does not know what he should use the miniatures?
(Excuse my dam ... english :? )
I'm interested in more highlights (not published and rare miniatures)
Greetings.... ;)
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There's a lot of truth in that, Scurv. With the launch of Moonraker Miniatures, it's easier to order Spacelords:
For those who've missed it - http://moonrakerminiatures.com/spacelords.htm
However, other items on the site sell better than Spacelords so I've been making moulds for other things (Dunwich Detectives, Gladiators etc) rather than Spacelords.
I know some items are particularly requested (Leland... :) ) and will sell a few but I need a more regular demand to inspire me into making more. This is not me begging for sales (honestly...!); I'm just giving an explanation.
Doug
Doug,
I concur with the point about the need to be able to build a viable unit for the tabletop; the Yoyodyne Shigaru suffer from this very problem, as you have to date only released the pistol and SMG-armed poses (and hence my pestering you for the HMG poses so I can finish up my own wargame TO&E for these unique and very sharp looking troops!).
In an effort to help you achieve more sales, I am still very much committed to using these figures as the semi-official figures for the Silent Death universe sci-fi skirmish system I hope to get to playtesting before the year is out (and photos of my painted troops up on our Metal Express forum accordingly)... These are superb figures well imagined and executed, and I for one have never understood why they didn't take off as I for one feel they should have when they first came out. Puzzling... :?
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This is not me begging for sales (honestly...!);
Nothing wrong with that! ;)
These are superb figures well imagined and executed
Yes they are! 8)
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Sorry for the thread necro, i would just like to say i am really impressed with the ''Phagon Battle Clones'' i ordered. They are beautiful sculpts with hardly any mold lines at all.
I actually never heard of these before i pleasantly stumbled across them, i think i will paint them in the original red color scheme and try get the shoulder emblem they have as accurate as possible.
I look forward to ordering more in the future, a thumbs up from me.
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It's a brilliant range, and kudos to Doug at Moonraker for bringing them back.
Now, if only he would finish re-releasing more of the human Wartechs. It's hard to build a decent Phagon-smashing force with the few that are available.
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I think the battle clones may be human too, at least according to blackwidowpilot on tmp.
''Phagon Battle Clones are in fact clones of *humans,* people! evil grin
That's right, the Phagons are masters of bioengineering, and as a means of turnabout is fair play ( and a horned headed nod to the fighting prowess of human beings) they cloned a captured human soldier and added some special modifications while the Phagons were at it to produce a particularly nasty and especially tough and resilient vat grown soldier for their war against the hated Terrans.
Battle Clones were noticibly stronger than stock humans IIRC, and more troubling still, were able to regenerate wounds that were short of catastrophic right then and there on the battlefield(!), making them particularly persistent and frustrating opponents for the poor, hapless Cybertechs and Yoyodyne that had to face them.''
I would personally like to know more about the lore behind the range, but unfortunately i do not speak German, and the metal magic forum seems to not be accepting new members.
The Cybertechs are rather cool too, i might also invest in some of those.
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It'd be a good time for Doug to put some more out, what with the Osprey Rogue Stars ruleset coming out at the end of the year. Spacelords is an ideal range to use for a game like that.
<crosses fingers>
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I've never heard of that, i know Spacelords has its own rule set, but that is only in German and seems quite rare to find.
Most people seem to play Warhammer 40k round my end, though even then i think this range would make a cool imperial guard force or similar. I haven't played a tabletop game in years, i usually just used to paint models and display models and display them.
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I think the rules from Agis Victory Decision Future are made for the Spacelords.
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Speaking of Doug, has he been on here recently? :?