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Miniatures Adventure => The Second World War => Topic started by: marcusluis on June 26, 2014, 12:55:19 PM

Title: British in Burma
Post by: marcusluis on June 26, 2014, 12:55:19 PM
want to do Brita in Burma. 44-45 will Perry 8 th do with some warlord plastics thrown in??
comments and suggestions !!
Title: Re: British in Burma
Post by: grant on June 26, 2014, 01:06:07 PM
Go for it!
Title: Re: British in Burma
Post by: Poiter50 on June 26, 2014, 03:17:39 PM
If you use figures in trousers, yes. Shorts were mostly done away with as they started to realise that short sleeves and shorts meant more exposed skin for the bugs to bite.

Slightly OTT, WG do 2 Burmese scouts in their Chindit range, does anyone know of any others? I want to make a recce/scout section for CoC and I only know of the 2 WG 28mm figs.
Title: Re: British in Burma
Post by: marcusluis on June 26, 2014, 07:09:05 PM
So the warlord british in european battledress are ok for british in the far east then ??
Title: Re: British in Burma
Post by: rumacara on June 26, 2014, 07:19:40 PM
Hello

If i recall right, Brigade games also have some burmese.
Chindits and japanese also available.
Gothicline makes japanese infantry too.

Cheers

Rui
Title: Re: British in Burma
Post by: westwaller on June 26, 2014, 07:30:35 PM
The Assault Group do British in the far east :). Wargames foundry do a couple of Burma packs too. Maybe mix a few Brits in battle dress in too say from Artizan or Crusader?
Title: Re: British in Burma
Post by: marcusluis on June 26, 2014, 07:41:36 PM
This guy is wearing shorts..
http://www.spiritofmalaysia.co.uk/photo/ww2-malaya-1st-manchester-iwm?context=latest
Title: Re: British in Burma
Post by: Plynkes on June 26, 2014, 07:48:35 PM
He's in Malaya in 1941, not Burma in 1944.

Shorts or trousers is one of those quibbling details that you just have to figure out whether you care about it or not. Sometimes you want to be a button-counter and get things totally right, other times you just say "bugger it, that's near enough."


There is a photo of the King's African Rifles in Burma in 1945 and they are all in khaki shorts. So some folks on the British side were still in short trousers at least. There are however also photos of them from that time in jungle green long trousers, so there you go...


Title: Re: British in Burma
Post by: marcusluis on June 26, 2014, 08:08:17 PM
Do the perry plastic brits and warlord brit match up size wise if i want to mix and match them??
Title: Re: British in Burma
Post by: Poiter50 on June 27, 2014, 01:57:34 AM
He is also wearing old style webbing if I'm not mistaken and a solar topee.

He's in Malaya in 1941, not Burma in 1944.

Shorts or trousers is one of those quibbling details that you just have to figure out whether you care about it or not. Sometimes you want to be a button-counter and get things totally right, other times you just say "bugger it, that's near enough."


There is a photo of the King's African Rifles in Burma in 1945 and they are all in khaki shorts. So some folks on the British side were still in short trousers at least. There are however also photos of them from that time in jungle green long trousers, so there you go...



Title: Re: British in Burma
Post by: grant on June 27, 2014, 02:42:33 AM
Do the perry plastic brits and warlord brit match up size wise if i want to mix and match them??

Somewhat. The Perry are slightly finer sculpts - hands and heads are much truer to scale.
Title: Re: British in Burma
Post by: Poiter50 on June 27, 2014, 02:59:28 AM
Link please rumacara? I can't finf them on the Brigade site.

Hello

If i recall right, Brigade games also have some burmese.
Chindits and japanese also available.
Gothicline makes japanese infantry too.

Cheers

Rui
Title: Re: British in Burma
Post by: Valerik on June 27, 2014, 03:55:33 AM
He is also wearing old style webbing if I'm not mistaken and a solar topee.

Actually, No, he's not.

Topee certainly, but he's wearing P37 webbing.
Those are Cartridge Carriers, aka "Patrol pouches"

(http://www.warrelics.eu/forum/attachments/equipment-field-gear/569901d1379327664-war-time-dated-p-37-waist-belt-patrol-pouches-cartridges.jpg)

They hold 2 5 round .303 chargers in each pouch, with an inner divider, 10 per pouch, 20 per pair, 40 per set.

(http://www.warrelics.eu/forum/attachments/equipment-field-gear/561719d1377866442-war-time-dated-p-37-waist-belt-patrol-pouches-t2ec16zhjiefhsq-o38cbsbyr8tdiq-60_57.jpg)

They incorporate a brace adaptor in their design, & twin studs to close properly when 1 charger is gone.

(http://www.sams-militariya.com/images/material/item_XXL/UK-P37-303CartridgeCarriers.jpg)

(http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii225/dachshund6911/bothplusclips.jpg)

There's also a 3 pouch variant, likely South African or Indian or both

(http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j424/ChrisIngamells1/WEB-37-TRIPLE-POUCH.jpg)

As the table indicate these were issued to ALL rifle armed troops, EXCEPT infantrymen.

Like most other P37 kit these used to be plentiful, and cheap...  Most I've seen seem unissued.

They are a light handy way to carry ammo enough to get you INTO trouble, but not out of it!!

I concur, shorts in frontline service in British Asia is early war, or very late & of limited utility in jungles.

Valerik
Title: Re: British in Burma
Post by: Atheling on June 27, 2014, 07:27:04 AM
I'm certainly no expert when it comes to WWII but I think these packs from the Perry's can be used for Burma (in the early stages(?):

Are there any experts out there can put me right?

BTW, I think that the Twins plan of doing some Japanese though this is a rumour that I have heard and is not from the horses mouth.

Darrell.



Title: Re: British in Burma
Post by: westwaller on June 27, 2014, 09:16:53 AM
The Perry website says that that the above are suitable for Burma.

Probably best to paint the trousers khaki drill rather than English Uniform colour although the heavy wool trousers were worn sometimes with the khaki drill shirt, as they were harder wearing than the others. Certainly this was the case in North Africa and the Med.

A quick google of 'British army in Burma' shows many styles of dress including full 'European' Battledress  Desert style shorts and shirt and and the jungle green kit with slouch hat, worn by the 14th Army.
Title: Re: British in Burma
Post by: Commander Vyper on June 27, 2014, 09:35:09 AM
He's in Malaya in 1941, not Burma in 1944.

Shorts or trousers is one of those quibbling details that you just have to figure out whether you care about it or not. Sometimes you want to be a button-counter and get things totally right, other times you just say "bugger it, that's near enough."


There is a photo of the King's African Rifles in Burma in 1945 and they are all in khaki shorts. So some folks on the British side were still in short trousers at least. There are however also photos of them from that time in jungle green long trousers, so there you go...




my grandfather was in Burma and I've loads of photos showing a combination of both the long trousers and shorts in use, though shorts were more in use from the pics I have. Hardly men you see. ;)
Title: Re: British in Burma
Post by: Cubs on June 27, 2014, 09:49:13 AM
Long trousers were more commonly worn in Burma in the jungle, near swamps or in other areas with high mosquito (and crawling beasties) numbers. Shorts were often worn in the highlands, towns or other dry areas where the risk of bites wasn't so high.

Title: Re: British in Burma
Post by: scrivs on June 28, 2014, 08:55:40 PM
I used The Assault Group for my 14th Army force and they are lovely figures. As mentioned by many, the shorts on the Perry plastics are not really suitable.

Plenty of shots of my Assault Group 14th Army here: http://scrivsland.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/Battle%20of%20Meiktila (http://scrivsland.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/Battle%20of%20Meiktila)

Title: Re: British in Burma
Post by: Cubs on June 29, 2014, 10:09:50 PM
I used The Assault Group for my 14th Army force and they are lovely figures.

I must get round to buying some TAG Burma guys. They have a real 'Matchbox' feel to them somehow.