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Title: Mongol Rally Update
Post by: Ignatieff on July 26, 2014, 03:49:31 PM
Tonight Tiblisi! We've done over 3,000 miles since last Sunday

Blog update here: loekmongolrally2014.blogspot.co.uk

Tomorrow Baku.  Lots of pics to make sure this post stays relevant (promise).

Thanks for everyone's continuing support
Title: Re: Mongol Rally Update
Post by: Emir of Askaristan on July 26, 2014, 04:19:39 PM
Looking forward to seeing your pics of Baku - it's been many years since I was there, (2 trips for the lifting eqt company I worked for at the time).

Best of luck with your journey.

Title: Re: Mongol Rally Update
Post by: OSHIROmodels on July 26, 2014, 05:40:20 PM
Keep going Steve  8)

cheers

James
Title: Re: Mongol Rally Update
Post by: H.M.Stanley on July 26, 2014, 05:48:20 PM
Wll done chaps.

I bumped into the Beast today too, so quite fitting.
Title: Re: Mongol Rally Update
Post by: Ignatieff on July 26, 2014, 06:14:06 PM
Good God man!  Seek help immediately
Title: Re: Mongol Rally Update
Post by: argsilverson on July 26, 2014, 08:19:58 PM
Good luck Steve!

Keep going
Title: Re: Mongol Rally Update
Post by: WuZhuiQiu on July 27, 2014, 03:18:45 AM
May the rally go well for you!

By the way, how can the enamel badges be purchased?
Title: Re: Mongol Rally Update
Post by: H.M.Stanley on July 27, 2014, 07:05:07 AM
Good God man!  Seek help immediately

 :D
Title: Re: Mongol Rally Update
Post by: FramFramson on July 27, 2014, 07:12:14 AM
Death by pork! Lord, if it would grace you to let me go in such a manner...
Title: Re: Mongol Rally Update
Post by: juergen c. olk on July 27, 2014, 05:35:13 PM
in the words of the immortal Jeremy Clarkson..."More Power", good luck!
Title: Re: Mongol Rally Update
Post by: Ignatieff on July 27, 2014, 08:32:57 PM
Death by pork! Lord, if it would grace you to let me go in such a manner...

Hahahahaha! lol lol lol
Title: Re: Mongol Rally Update
Post by: Ignatieff on July 27, 2014, 08:33:29 PM
in the words of the immortal Jeremy Clarkson..."More Power", good luck!

Yes!!!!!!
Title: Re: Mongol Rally Update
Post by: smirnoff on July 29, 2014, 03:08:55 PM
We went to Baku old town today and walked some of the walls. Got images and will post when we return.
Lots of the walls have bullet holes.
On a more sober note we also went into the Shah's Palace; the courtyard is again riddled with bullet holes but according to the information plaque these were from the massacre of Azerbaijani civilians by Armenians in 1918. Some 12000 perished in the massacre.
It was chilling to think some of those poor souls died yards from where we were and their memorial were holes from the bullets that killed them.
Needless to say we did not take any image here out of respect.
We also climbed the Maiden Tower (so named because it used to be difficult to enter).
This tower is either 12thC or 7thC depending on who you believe.
It probably was originally a płace of worship and a site for astronomy but became included in the defences of Baku.
Will post images on return.
Title: Re: Mongol Rally Update
Post by: Ignatieff on August 02, 2014, 08:30:32 PM
Just reached Ashgabat in Turkmenistan.  Weird place.
Title: Re: Mongol Rally Update
Post by: OSHIROmodels on August 02, 2014, 08:36:29 PM
Just reached Ashgabat in Turkmenistan.  Weird place.

Not that weird if they have internet  ;)

cheers

James
Title: Re: Mongol Rally Update
Post by: Remington on August 02, 2014, 10:03:24 PM
Keep going strong, chaps!
Title: Re: Mongol Rally Update
Post by: FramFramson on August 03, 2014, 04:20:29 AM
Just reached Ashgabat in Turkmenistan.  Weird place.
Weird by normal people standards, or by our standards?  ;D
Title: Re: Mongol Rally Update
Post by: juergen c. olk on August 04, 2014, 06:30:11 AM
Can
you send any pictures?
Title: Re: Mongol Rally Update
Post by: smirnoff on August 21, 2014, 09:22:30 AM
We did it.
Pictures to follow.....
Title: Re: Mongol Rally Update
Post by: Beast of Bukhara on August 21, 2014, 12:38:26 PM
Well played the LoEK
Top gear, Top rally squad
 :D :D :D
Title: Re: Mongol Rally Update
Post by: OSHIROmodels on August 21, 2014, 01:38:56 PM
Well done chaps, an adventure to be proud of  8)

cheers

James
Title: Re: Mongol Rally Update
Post by: Ignatieff on August 21, 2014, 04:07:06 PM
(http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh164/defoix/IMG_2241_zpsaf3d778d.jpg)

(http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh164/defoix/IMG_2242_zpse0008165.jpg)

(http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh164/defoix/IMG_2267_zpse95f0a7e.jpg)

Thanks everyone for their support at every level.....
Title: Re: Mongol Rally Update
Post by: juergen c. olk on August 21, 2014, 08:35:14 PM
.Great job,quite an accomplishment to finish that race. In those uniforms you weren't mistaken for a second coming of Dunsterforce were you?.Again Wow!
Title: Re: Mongol Rally Update
Post by: marianas_gamer on August 21, 2014, 08:59:53 PM
Great job Fellows! I still think everything would have been improved by broom handled Mausers  lol
Lon
Title: Re: Mongol Rally Update
Post by: Patrice on August 21, 2014, 09:27:51 PM
Well done chaps.  :o :)

What makes it really foreign is if you compare the flags of neighbouring countries that fly on your pic, with the usual range of flags we often see on hostels and Youth Hostels etc at home 8)

(http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh164/defoix/IMG_2242_zpse0008165.jpg)
Title: Re: Mongol Rally Update
Post by: fred on August 21, 2014, 10:23:47 PM
Well done. I've added a bit to your fund too.
Title: Re: Mongol Rally Update
Post by: argsilverson on August 21, 2014, 10:33:48 PM
Well done ...

My congratulations gentlemen!
Title: Re: Mongol Rally Update
Post by: smirnoff on August 22, 2014, 10:52:49 AM
First up, the walls of Baku and the Maiden Tower:

One of the gates
(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u26/scotsbrigade/Baku/IMG_0569.jpg) (http://s164.photobucket.com/user/scotsbrigade/media/Baku/IMG_0569.jpg.html)

Outside of main wall
(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u26/scotsbrigade/Baku/IMG_0573.jpg) (http://s164.photobucket.com/user/scotsbrigade/media/Baku/IMG_0573.jpg.html)

Another gate
(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u26/scotsbrigade/Baku/IMG_0575.jpg) (http://s164.photobucket.com/user/scotsbrigade/media/Baku/IMG_0575.jpg.html)

Ignatieff and bullet holes
(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u26/scotsbrigade/Baku/IMG_0574.jpg) (http://s164.photobucket.com/user/scotsbrigade/media/Baku/IMG_0574.jpg.html)

Yet another gate
(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u26/scotsbrigade/Baku/IMG_0572.jpg) (http://s164.photobucket.com/user/scotsbrigade/media/Baku/IMG_0572.jpg.html)

Inside the walls
(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u26/scotsbrigade/Baku/IMG_0576.jpg) (http://s164.photobucket.com/user/scotsbrigade/media/Baku/IMG_0576.jpg.html)

Inside tower
(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u26/scotsbrigade/Baku/IMG_0577.jpg) (http://s164.photobucket.com/user/scotsbrigade/media/Baku/IMG_0577.jpg.html)

Inside another tower
(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u26/scotsbrigade/Baku/IMG_0578.jpg) (http://s164.photobucket.com/user/scotsbrigade/media/Baku/IMG_0578.jpg.html)

The Maiden Tower (so called because it was hard to get into…honest). It could have been a temple and an astrology center but was eventually incorporated into the Caspian Sea side defence of the old town
(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u26/scotsbrigade/Baku/2e49681f-ac7c-48b7-b489-29898d7fb1fa.jpg) (http://s164.photobucket.com/user/scotsbrigade/media/Baku/2e49681f-ac7c-48b7-b489-29898d7fb1fa.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Mongol Rally Update
Post by: OSHIROmodels on August 22, 2014, 10:55:40 AM
Excellent stuff. It looks like they've done a good job of tarting it up  8)

cheers

James
Title: Re: Mongol Rally Update
Post by: smirnoff on August 22, 2014, 10:58:37 AM
Yes, nearly all of the historical sites have had restoration work done. Personally I think they did a superb job in Baku, Khiva, Bukhara, Samarkand etc
Title: Re: Mongol Rally Update
Post by: fred on August 22, 2014, 12:24:39 PM
Do you have any idea on the age of the open backed towers? The walls look very thin. But there are post holes for floors - so they at least look in part original?
Title: Re: Mongol Rally Update
Post by: Emir of Askaristan on August 22, 2014, 02:48:06 PM
Wow - it does look so much cleaner than my last visit years ago. And I'm not talking about the restoration either!.

Great trip lads, well done!!!
Title: Re: Mongol Rally Update
Post by: smirnoff on August 22, 2014, 02:54:59 PM
Do you have any idea on the age of the open backed towers? The walls look very thin. But there are post holes for floors - so they at least look in part original?

AFAIK the part reconstuctions are accurate and original designs. Age is 11th-12thC.
Title: Re: Mongol Rally Update
Post by: fred on August 22, 2014, 05:20:52 PM
Thats interesting - so quite different style to what I am used to seeing in the UK, with very thick walls to defend against siege engines. Though with all the re-use its hard to know when the walls were built and if they were thickened later.

So these walls are probably more designed to protect against arrows rather than siege engines.
Title: Re: Mongol Rally Update
Post by: smirnoff on August 23, 2014, 06:32:53 AM
Thats interesting - so quite different style to what I am used to seeing in the UK, with very thick walls to defend against siege engines. Though with all the re-use its hard to know when the walls were built and if they were thickened later.

So these walls are probably more designed to protect against arrows rather than siege engines.

The walls of Khiva and Bukhara are different; huge wedge shaped things tapering to the thin battlements at the top. The walls at Baku are about 10-12 feet thick with the battlement stuck on top.
Title: Re: Mongol Rally Update
Post by: OSHIROmodels on August 23, 2014, 06:46:22 AM
The walls of Khiva and Bukhara are different; huge wedge shaped things tapering to the thin battlements at the top. The walls at Baku are about 10-12 feet thick with the battlement stuck on top.

Please say you have pictures  8)

cheers

James
Title: Re: Mongol Rally Update
Post by: smirnoff on August 23, 2014, 07:19:22 AM
Khiva, Uzbekistan

There is debate over the age of Khiva. Its first recorded in Arab sources in the 10thC but archaeologists insist on a 6thC date. Some say Noah’s son Shem discovered it in 2500BC.
It was an important silk road city and grew rich on the trade and it has a brutal history as a slave trading post sandwiched in between the vast Kyzylkum and Karakum deserts.
It also was a target and was destroyed by various invaders: Alexander the Great; the Arabs, led by Qutayba ibn Muslim; Genghis Khan & Amir Timur plus others.
However it was the capital of Khoresm for centuries.

Present day crenelated walls date to the 17thC.

(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u26/scotsbrigade/Khiva/IMG_0726.jpg) (http://s164.photobucket.com/user/scotsbrigade/media/Khiva/IMG_0726.jpg.html)

(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u26/scotsbrigade/Khiva/IMG_0729.jpg) (http://s164.photobucket.com/user/scotsbrigade/media/Khiva/IMG_0729.jpg.html)

(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u26/scotsbrigade/Khiva/IMG_0730.jpg) (http://s164.photobucket.com/user/scotsbrigade/media/Khiva/IMG_0730.jpg.html)

(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u26/scotsbrigade/Khiva/IMG_0827.jpg) (http://s164.photobucket.com/user/scotsbrigade/media/Khiva/IMG_0827.jpg.html)

Some internal detail

(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u26/scotsbrigade/Khiva/IMG_0751.jpg) (http://s164.photobucket.com/user/scotsbrigade/media/Khiva/IMG_0751.jpg.html)

Various buildings inside the old city

(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u26/scotsbrigade/Khiva/IMG_0742.jpg) (http://s164.photobucket.com/user/scotsbrigade/media/Khiva/IMG_0742.jpg.html)

(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u26/scotsbrigade/Khiva/IMG_0773.jpg) (http://s164.photobucket.com/user/scotsbrigade/media/Khiva/IMG_0773.jpg.html)

(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u26/scotsbrigade/Khiva/IMG_0762.jpg) (http://s164.photobucket.com/user/scotsbrigade/media/Khiva/IMG_0762.jpg.html)

(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u26/scotsbrigade/Khiva/IMG_0803.jpg) (http://s164.photobucket.com/user/scotsbrigade/media/Khiva/IMG_0803.jpg.html)

(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u26/scotsbrigade/Khiva/IMG_0786.jpg) (http://s164.photobucket.com/user/scotsbrigade/media/Khiva/IMG_0786.jpg.html)

(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u26/scotsbrigade/Khiva/IMG_0775.jpg) (http://s164.photobucket.com/user/scotsbrigade/media/Khiva/IMG_0775.jpg.html)

(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u26/scotsbrigade/Khiva/IMG_0813.jpg) (http://s164.photobucket.com/user/scotsbrigade/media/Khiva/IMG_0813.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Mongol Rally Update
Post by: OSHIROmodels on August 23, 2014, 09:02:49 AM
Stunning  :o

cheers

James
Title: Re: Mongol Rally Update
Post by: Ignatieff on August 23, 2014, 09:31:21 AM
The walls of Bukhara.

On a much more impressive scale than Khiva, these were mostly built in the 17th century.  The two photos near the bottom are very instructive.  I took the pic of the ruined tower on my visit there in September last year, and the fully restored one this month.  I think they've done a very good job

(http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh164/defoix/IMG_1739_zps16d347c5.jpg)

(http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh164/defoix/IMG_1763_zps91bcc2c2.jpg)

(http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh164/defoix/IMG_1766_zpsa1268119.jpg)
Bukhara's infamous prison, where Connolly and Stoddart were kept

(http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh164/defoix/IMG_1764_zps1e703a97.jpg)
this ruined section shows the internal filling

(http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh164/defoix/IMG_1753_zps1654f712.jpg)
The Arc, or winter palace of the Emir.  Under this canopy bands would play popular Victorian melodies as prisoners were executed in the Rajistan square below

(http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh164/defoix/IMG_1908_zps45eae697.jpg)

(http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh164/defoix/IMG_1906_zpsdd9d83bc.jpg)
Young Rory Langan on a Bactrian camel shows the scale of the walls.

(http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh164/defoix/IMG_1909_zps0bc31a2d.jpg)
Massive bases that narrow dramatically towards the top

(http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh164/defoix/IMG_1749_zps051e60ca.jpg)
this pic taken in September 2013

(http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh164/defoix/IMG_1895_zps77de3cdb.jpg)
the same tower in August 2014

(http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh164/defoix/IMG_1778_zps24cfae98.jpg)
the largest minaret in Uzbekistan still shows the scarring from General Frunze's artillery ranging in 1920
Title: Re: Mongol Rally Update
Post by: Ignatieff on August 23, 2014, 09:37:24 AM
One of the things that was very noticeable about Siberia was the prevalence of really stunning silver birch trees.  The trunks stood out for miles, almost white, and made for a very distinctive look.  Anybody know if anyone does good ones in 28mm?
Title: Re: Mongol Rally Update
Post by: OSHIROmodels on August 23, 2014, 09:42:59 AM
Even more stunning  :o

I have a link at home for some trees that might suit (at work today) but they would probably need the trunks painting afterwards. Did you take any photos of them?

cheers

James
Title: Re: Mongol Rally Update
Post by: smirnoff on August 23, 2014, 10:13:16 AM
More Bukhara
Bukhara enters the written historical record as a satrapy of the Persian Empire in 500BC, however the Shahnama founds it in legend in the Pishdadian dynasty.
Whichever the Bukaran oasis had existed for millennia and the city was founded in an around it. It’s situated at the crossroads between Merv, Heart and Samarkand and became a major Silk Road city. The evident wealth of Bukhara would in many ways prove a curse, attracting the unwanted attentions of Alexander the Great in 329BC, then the subsequent invasions of the Seleucids, Graeco-Bactrians and the Kushans.
Later it fell to the Arabs and then became the heart of the Samanid Empire in the 9thC. The Karakhanids invaded in 999AD, the Karakhitai attacked in 1141, the Khorezmshah in 1206 and, most catastrophically of all, Genghis Khan and the Mongol horde rode into town in 1220. Every one of Bukhara's 30,000 troops was slaughtered, the city was torched, the civilian population killed or enslaved.


‘The Ark’ fortress: the city within a city that was the Emir’s Palace. Built on ancient foundations the first mention of it is in th 9thC AD. It’s age is undetermined but it was occupied C 500AD by local rulers.
It was badly damaged in the Russian assault in 1920.

(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u26/scotsbrigade/Bukhara/IMG_0977.jpg) (http://s164.photobucket.com/user/scotsbrigade/media/Bukhara/IMG_0977.jpg.html)

(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u26/scotsbrigade/Bukhara/IMG_0972.jpg) (http://s164.photobucket.com/user/scotsbrigade/media/Bukhara/IMG_0972.jpg.html)

(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u26/scotsbrigade/Bukhara/IMG_0979.jpg) (http://s164.photobucket.com/user/scotsbrigade/media/Bukhara/IMG_0979.jpg.html)

(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u26/scotsbrigade/Bukhara/IMG_0980.jpg) (http://s164.photobucket.com/user/scotsbrigade/media/Bukhara/IMG_0980.jpg.html)

The white structure at the top allegedly held the Emir’s band who would play whilst multiple executions were performed in the area in front of the fortress.

(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u26/scotsbrigade/Bukhara/IMG_0958.jpg) (http://s164.photobucket.com/user/scotsbrigade/media/Bukhara/IMG_0958.jpg.html)

The audience chamber inside the Ark

(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u26/scotsbrigade/Bukhara/IMG_0965.jpg) (http://s164.photobucket.com/user/scotsbrigade/media/Bukhara/IMG_0965.jpg.html)

The white wall you see was there so that visitors could walk backwards from the presence of the Emir and when their backs touched the wall they were allowed to turn and leave.

(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u26/scotsbrigade/Bukhara/IMG_0966.jpg) (http://s164.photobucket.com/user/scotsbrigade/media/Bukhara/IMG_0966.jpg.html)

Lion sculpture (created from verbal descriptions of the beast) in the audience chamber, date unknown (by me).

(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u26/scotsbrigade/Bukhara/IMG_0963.jpg) (http://s164.photobucket.com/user/scotsbrigade/media/Bukhara/IMG_0963.jpg.html)

The ‘Bug Pit’ at the Zindon prison that housed Stoddart and Connolly before their executions in front of the Ark in 1842.

(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u26/scotsbrigade/Bukhara/IMG_0984.jpg) (http://s164.photobucket.com/user/scotsbrigade/media/Bukhara/IMG_0984.jpg.html)

The minaret that still bears the attentions of Russian Artillery during Frunze’s assault in 1920.

(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u26/scotsbrigade/Bukhara/IMG_0998.jpg) (http://s164.photobucket.com/user/scotsbrigade/media/Bukhara/IMG_0998.jpg.html)

(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u26/scotsbrigade/Bukhara/ScreenShot2014-08-23at081730.png) (http://s164.photobucket.com/user/scotsbrigade/media/Bukhara/ScreenShot2014-08-23at081730.png.html)

Various other sites in the city

(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u26/scotsbrigade/Bukhara/IMG_0988.jpg) (http://s164.photobucket.com/user/scotsbrigade/media/Bukhara/IMG_0988.jpg.html)

(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u26/scotsbrigade/Bukhara/IMG_0991.jpg) (http://s164.photobucket.com/user/scotsbrigade/media/Bukhara/IMG_0991.jpg.html)

After the Russian assault 1920

(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u26/scotsbrigade/Bukhara/Startled_Bukhara-1.jpg) (http://s164.photobucket.com/user/scotsbrigade/media/Bukhara/Startled_Bukhara-1.jpg.html)



Title: Re: Mongol Rally Update
Post by: smirnoff on August 23, 2014, 10:18:51 AM
Siberian Birch

(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u26/scotsbrigade/Bukhara/siberia/IMG_1202.jpg) (http://s164.photobucket.com/user/scotsbrigade/media/Bukhara/siberia/IMG_1202.jpg.html)

(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u26/scotsbrigade/Bukhara/siberia/IMG_1197.jpg) (http://s164.photobucket.com/user/scotsbrigade/media/Bukhara/siberia/IMG_1197.jpg.html)

(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u26/scotsbrigade/Bukhara/siberia/IMG_1198.jpg) (http://s164.photobucket.com/user/scotsbrigade/media/Bukhara/siberia/IMG_1198.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Mongol Rally Update
Post by: fastolfrus on August 23, 2014, 10:34:32 AM
Steve
Could you put all the architectural pics etc onto a CD?
Possibly as an add on for the next book?
Title: Re: Mongol Rally Update
Post by: smirnoff on August 23, 2014, 10:56:28 AM
Situated just outside the modern city of Samarkand on a plateau these are the remains of the original city of Marakanda that was taken by Alexander in 329BC. The walls themselves are older than the Alexandrian period.
Marakanda is the Greek name, the original name may have been derived from the Sogdian asmara, "stone", "rock", and Sogdian kand, "fort", "town".
Oddly this was not a protected site was accessible from a main road that runs through it.

(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u26/scotsbrigade/Samarkand/IMG_1042.jpg) (http://s164.photobucket.com/user/scotsbrigade/media/Samarkand/IMG_1042.jpg.html)

(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u26/scotsbrigade/Samarkand/IMG_1047.jpg) (http://s164.photobucket.com/user/scotsbrigade/media/Samarkand/IMG_1047.jpg.html)

(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u26/scotsbrigade/Samarkand/IMG_1066.jpg) (http://s164.photobucket.com/user/scotsbrigade/media/Samarkand/IMG_1066.jpg.html)

(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u26/scotsbrigade/Samarkand/IMG_1053.jpg) (http://s164.photobucket.com/user/scotsbrigade/media/Samarkand/IMG_1053.jpg.html)

(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u26/scotsbrigade/Samarkand/IMG_1046.jpg) (http://s164.photobucket.com/user/scotsbrigade/media/Samarkand/IMG_1046.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Mongol Rally Update
Post by: smirnoff on August 23, 2014, 12:06:52 PM
Samarkand, Uzbekistan

Archeological digs have revealed human habitation in and around Samarkand to 40000 years ago in the late paleolithic era. Mesolithic era settlements have been found in the modern suburbs of the city and the canals that supply the city with water were first constructed in the early iron age.
An actual date to pin the founding of the city on is difficult, some scholars believe it is as early as the 8th and 7thC BC.
It was one of the main cities of the Sogdians from the earliest days and by the time of the Achaemenid Persian dynasty the city was the capital of the Sogdian satrapy.
Alexander took it, and inflicted severe damage, in 329BC but it soon recovered. Taken by the Sassanians in AD260 then the Hepthalites, Gokturks, the Umayyads, Abbasids and Samanids.
After the fall of the Samanids c1000AD the city was ruled by a sucession of Turkic tribes including the Seljuks and the Khwarazm-Shahs.
The Mongols arrived in 1220 and pillaged the city, they returned again for a similar episode under Khan Baraq.
In 1365 there was a revolot against Mongol rule and in 1370 Timur made the city his capital.
Like all of the Uzbek cities massive resoration work has been carried out, often to critism from Western scholars. Well, I would rather that things were restored so that future generations could get a good impression of this incredible place. Sections have been left in their original decaying state so the visitor can compare and contrast.

Timur’s Mausoleum:

(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u26/scotsbrigade/Samarkand/IMG_1011.jpg) (http://s164.photobucket.com/user/scotsbrigade/media/Samarkand/IMG_1011.jpg.html)

(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u26/scotsbrigade/Samarkand/IMG_1014.jpg) (http://s164.photobucket.com/user/scotsbrigade/media/Samarkand/IMG_1014.jpg.html)

(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u26/scotsbrigade/Samarkand/IMG_1016.jpg) (http://s164.photobucket.com/user/scotsbrigade/media/Samarkand/IMG_1016.jpg.html)

(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u26/scotsbrigade/Samarkand/IMG_1026.jpg) (http://s164.photobucket.com/user/scotsbrigade/media/Samarkand/IMG_1026.jpg.html)

Coronation stone:

(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u26/scotsbrigade/Samarkand/IMG_1015.jpg) (http://s164.photobucket.com/user/scotsbrigade/media/Samarkand/IMG_1015.jpg.html)

Timur’s black sarcophagus:

(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u26/scotsbrigade/Samarkand/IMG_1021.jpg) (http://s164.photobucket.com/user/scotsbrigade/media/Samarkand/IMG_1021.jpg.html)

Decoration in the main chamber (mostly painted paper mache which, I am told, is accurate):

(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u26/scotsbrigade/Samarkand/IMG_1023.jpg) (http://s164.photobucket.com/user/scotsbrigade/media/Samarkand/IMG_1023.jpg.html)

(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u26/scotsbrigade/Samarkand/IMG_1022.jpg) (http://s164.photobucket.com/user/scotsbrigade/media/Samarkand/IMG_1022.jpg.html)

(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u26/scotsbrigade/Samarkand/IMG_1024.jpg) (http://s164.photobucket.com/user/scotsbrigade/media/Samarkand/IMG_1024.jpg.html)

Registan Square, three Madrassas 15-17thC:

(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u26/scotsbrigade/Samarkand/IMG_1028.jpg) (http://s164.photobucket.com/user/scotsbrigade/media/Samarkand/IMG_1028.jpg.html)

Bibi-Khanym Mosque
This shows the state of the majority of the buildings before Soviet reconstruction took place c1969:

(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u26/scotsbrigade/Samarkand/800px-OldSamarkand2.jpg) (http://s164.photobucket.com/user/scotsbrigade/media/Samarkand/800px-OldSamarkand2.jpg.html)


Title: Re: Mongol Rally Update
Post by: OSHIROmodels on August 23, 2014, 12:31:00 PM
often to critism from Western scholars.

But why?

Excellent pictures chaps  8)

cheers

James
Title: Re: Mongol Rally Update
Post by: former user on August 23, 2014, 12:51:32 PM

THX very much for the comprehensive reports and excellent pictures, and good luck with the continuing journey
But why?

well, without entering too much into detail, a rough sketch could be:

old style reconstruction of archaeological monuments used to go along the lines of reinstating the assumed appearance of the original building, without any regard to building materials or eventual later additions, repairs and modifications (this especially in the 19thC), and especially presenting a homogeneous uni-style appearance.
Modern style reconstruction focuses on pointing out the state of the monument as it is, including any modification that happened along the times, and making any reconstruction so that it is explicitely recognizable as such. This way the emulation focuses on the history of the monument as a whole and not on some aesthetic interpretation, and also aknowledges the fact that any old-style reconstruction can only be an interpretation of a fixed moment in time that might have never existed.
This way has of course to accept being criticized sometimes of constructing monstrous hybrids without aesthetic value.
either way it is difficult, and sensible heritage management nowadays attempt a middle way of preserving a historical aesthetic while simultaneously showing the whole constructive history.

Without having actually been there, but knowing soviet style approach and judging from the excellent pictures, this would be my explanation.
Title: Re: Mongol Rally Update
Post by: Emir of Askaristan on August 23, 2014, 06:55:28 PM
The white structure at the top allegedly held the Emir’s band who would play whilst multiple executions were performed in the area in front of the fortress.

The white wall you see was there so that visitors could walk backwards from the presence of the Emir and when their backs touched the wall they were allowed to turn and leave.....



Top chap, a real Emir's Emir...always had great parties and knew how look after people. Ah them were the days ! ;D


Stunning shots there chaps. The colours are astonishing and I agree better to restore like this and grasp the scale and grandeur than plain stone and brick or ruins.
Title: Re: Mongol Rally Update
Post by: OSHIROmodels on August 23, 2014, 09:26:28 PM
well, without entering too much into detail, a rough sketch could be:

I know exactly why as I have to deal with with my work occasionally. Perhaps the sarcasm was missed.

cheers

James
Title: Re: Mongol Rally Update
Post by: former user on August 23, 2014, 10:10:34 PM
sorry, I missed it indeed...
on the other hand I was a bit surprised that You of all was asking this.... o_o
Title: Re: Mongol Rally Update
Post by: Ignatieff on August 24, 2014, 09:19:34 AM
The white structure at the top allegedly held the Emir’s band who would play whilst multiple executions were performed in the area in front of the fortress.

The white wall you see was there so that visitors could walk backwards from the presence of the Emir and when their backs touched the wall they were allowed to turn and leave.....



Top chap, a real Emir's Emir...always had great parties and knew how look after people. Ah them were the days ! ;D


Stunning shots there chaps. The colours are astonishing and I agree better to restore like this and grasp the scale and grandeur than plain stone and brick or ruins.



 lol lol lol
Title: Re: Mongol Rally Update
Post by: Ignatieff on August 24, 2014, 11:52:18 AM
And here's a none-too-shabby clay model of the Bukhara minaret picked up from a street vendor for $6.  Just needs a paint job and its ready to take a few shots from Frunzie-baby

(http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh164/defoix/photo-9_zpsb20dc7ac.jpg)
Title: Re: Mongol Rally Update
Post by: fred on August 24, 2014, 12:05:12 PM
Thats a bit nice. $6!!! You could have bought a suitcase full and flogged them on for a nice profit.
Title: Re: Mongol Rally Update
Post by: H.M.Stanley on August 24, 2014, 01:00:58 PM
And here's a none-too-shabby clay model of the Bukhara minaret picked up from a street vendor for $6.  Just needs a paint job and its ready to take a few shots from Frunzie-baby

(http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh164/defoix/photo-9_zpsb20dc7ac.jpg)

Excellent! Can you bring back 300 for the fellas?  :D

Thanks for the photos chaps
Title: Re: Mongol Rally Update
Post by: von Lucky on August 24, 2014, 01:02:39 PM
"Honey, our next holiday is going to be to Uzbekistan."

"What, why?"

"Um, why not?"
Title: Re: Mongol Rally Update
Post by: former user on August 24, 2014, 01:05:05 PM
 lol
a resin mold might be the simpler solution  :D
Title: Re: Mongol Rally Update
Post by: smirnoff on August 24, 2014, 01:47:43 PM
lol
a resin mold might be the simpler solution  :D

A great idea
Title: Re: Mongol Rally Update
Post by: former user on August 24, 2014, 01:51:43 PM
I would buy one cast
Title: Re: Mongol Rally Update
Post by: Ignatieff on August 24, 2014, 02:26:53 PM
"Honey, our next holiday is going to be to Uzbekistan."

"What, why?"

"Um, why not?"


hahahahaha!
Title: Re: Mongol Rally Update
Post by: Ignatieff on August 24, 2014, 02:27:55 PM
A great idea

Agree.  though I might have an 'agent' coming over from Bukhara in December.  I'm sure I could convince her to load her suitcase.
Title: Re: Mongol Rally Update
Post by: Turbo-Ben on August 24, 2014, 02:29:52 PM
I would buy one cast

Me too, but I would have prefered to buy one of the original clay models.

Agree.  though I might have an 'agent' coming over from Bukhara in December.  I'm sure I could convince her to load her suitcase.

I'd love to get one, sadly it will be after Partisan.  :?
Title: Re: Mongol Rally Update
Post by: H.M.Stanley on August 24, 2014, 03:19:23 PM
If it can be done, count me in boys ..
Title: Re: Mongol Rally Update
Post by: coggon on August 24, 2014, 05:33:59 PM
 :-I
Agree.  though I might have an 'agent' coming over from Bukhara in December.  I'm sure I could convince her to load her suitcase.

If so, can you reserve one for me?
Title: Re: Mongol Rally Update
Post by: marianas_gamer on August 24, 2014, 08:52:52 PM
 :o :o Oh, I would like one of those in any medium!