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Miniatures Adventure => VSF Adventures => In Her Majesty's Name => Topic started by: evilsam on August 08, 2014, 08:31:53 PM
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Hi guys, I have a quick question on throwing a grenade. During a recent game, my opponent hid some figures behind a wall that completely blocked line of sight. I wanted to toss a grenade over the wall as my rifle armed guys couldn't shoot them. We decided I couldn't because I didn't have line of sight to the point of ground on the other side of the wall. Was that correct?
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I would have given it a cover modifier just to make it a little more difficult.
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Well, how could you know that they were behind the wall if there was no line of sight?
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Well, how could you know that they were behind the wall if there was no line of sight?
If they moved through his LOS to being behind a wall that now blocked the view?
Gracias
Glenn
Guessing...
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Well, how could you know that they were behind the wall if there was no line of sight?
Its a perfectly plausible assumption to the man with the grenade. All he really wants is to get rid of the damn thing and maybe see it go off. :)
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Don't know the game rules, but I know in Real Life if I suspect bad guys on the opposite side of a wall, letting a grenade cook and then tossing it over definitely fits into my set of possible solutions.
Of course construction of that wall will enter into the decision making process.
;)
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Well, how could you know that they were behind the wall if there was no line of sight?
"Recon by fire"
or in this case, grenade.
If there is noise, movement or fire coming from behind an obstacle, why not?
Risks a "blue on blue" if you're uncertain where your lads, & any friendlies, are.
I would have given it a cover modifier just to make it a little more difficult.
Certainly reasonable, given the opportunity to have one flung back...
Of course construction of that wall will enter into the decision making process.
Always good to be reasonably certain you won't self inflict.
We decided I couldn't because I didn't have line of sight to the point of ground on the other side of the wall. Was that correct?
No. Rulesmanship, not based in reality. I can shoot, or throw a grenade, any damn where I please. Question is, should I? Ammunition concerns, friendlies, revealing my own position, collateral damage, all play a part in the decision to engage without a clear target.
Matters not if it is ball ammunition, a grenade, a belt of MG, a tank round or one from a howitzer, all it takes is the will.
During a recent game, my opponent hid some figures behind a wall that completely blocked line of sight. I wanted to toss a grenade over the wall as my rifle armed guys couldn't shoot them.
In this case you wanted a crack at what you could see, but weren't supposed to... Was it an ambush? A trap? Or a matter of circumstance. Justify why you would use a grenade under these circumstances, & I'd allow it. " 'cause I don't have LoS to shoot 'em" does NOT persuade me. Send a squad, or a squaddie, to draw fire, then no argument about rationale. Tis a valid tactic, if dangerous & unpleasant for your bait.
YMMV
Valerik
still uses the pin of his first live grenade as a keyring
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I agree that this is something realistically done with grenades but not quite supported by the rules.
It's also situations like this where hidden movement and possibly a referee would be handy.
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May I refer you to IHMN 1.5 The Golden Rules, subsection The Power of Rules :D
Personally I would have allowed you to do that but applied Type 3 cover to the throw.