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Miniatures Adventure => Age of Myths, Gods and Empires => Topic started by: Col.Stone on August 24, 2014, 08:37:42 PM
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Hi everyone, i'm curious if anyone has both lucid eye and acheson creations/primeval designs neandertals, do they mix?
Hoping for pics😃
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yes, me too - never heard of these - do You have links to their sites?
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The acheson ones http://www.achesoncreations.com/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&view=category&virtuemart_category_id=54
Lucid eye
http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=341635
http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=351904
:)
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the new ones are nice - although, the clubs again....
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I experimented painting one as bone...
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North star have removed the Lucid Eye Minis from the main site, they're now in the bargains section, so if you want them you better get some quick
Cheers
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What! Why? :o
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so they are ditching the line entirely?
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it would seem Northstar are, Lucid eye, i hope not, i need more !
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Not in the bargains section anymore either, but they still appear if you use the search engine:
http://www.northstarfigures.com/search.php?query=neanderthal&page=1 (http://www.northstarfigures.com/search.php?query=neanderthal&page=1)
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I have the lucid eye ones. Not the there but the styles seem quite different, don't know about sizes sorry.
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Dont forget also the Pulp Figures neanderthals.
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A "cease and desist" letter from Hanna-Barbera perhaps? ;D
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they are sculpted by Steve Saleh, so the can't be too fragile. I would guess they go well with Pulpfigures or the Copplestone Cavemen
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they are quite sturdy :)
i think the may match up if the sizes are just close, after that it's much down to pj's... payday today, may have to go all american and get a set of AC/PD..
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Crap! All out of stock! What happened? Gone for good? Damn, why did I wait?! :-[
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I would say the status is unknown. I sent Northstar an email today to see if they will tell me what their plans are for the figures, I will post any response here.
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Don't know about Acheson, but I made this comparison pic:
(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk301/area23shelter/cavemen_zpsc458aed6.jpg)
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The Lucid Eye range also got cancelled from the North Star Facebook page...... Hmmm. :?
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Crap! All out of stock! What happened? Gone for good? Damn, why did I wait?! :-[
My thoughts exactly! :(
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there is a lucid eye FB-page aswell..
and thank you for that piccie.
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Looking at the FB page, this was posted on Aug 8:
Ummagumma. There'll be a short hiatus in the supply of psychedelic stone age lads to all you furry freaks with your heads in the Pleistocene epoch whilst we, (royal 'we'), find someone halfway interested in the mystical arts of actually selling them. Meanwhile, look at this ace paintjob by a man who has a bike with bells and a basket and rings and things to make it look good.
Also, I think I managed to make a 'page' all about Lucid Eye. And stuff.
(https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/10606608_262225510643057_3069029089084829894_n.png?oh=672e8550e2607ae34be37f6330ca3e07&oe=546540F5)
Perhaps Northstar just don't want to sell them anymore?
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I thought that is what they did - sell stuff? I just bought a copy of the Crusader Fantasy rules of them, so I guess they do. Sell stuff, I mean. At least part time.
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Ok, so here is the response I got from Northstar:
Dear Tim
They have been discontinued.
Regards
Christine
So Northstar is no longer carrying the range
I sent a message to Lucid Eye on Facebook:
Hi Tim, thanks for the comments and interest! Short hiatus, til I get another distributor so stocks are a bit up and down atm. Arcane Scenery has some of what you may be looking for, and, if I were at all able, I'd put a hyperlink right here for you * - - - *.
Finally, I was able to pick up a few packs, but not all, from arcane scenery and models. I sent them an email regarding obtaining the rest of the figures I am missing:
Hi Tim, thanks for your message. Yes, North Star have stopped carrying this range. I'll check with Lucid eye today regarding their position on stock. They may have some of pack two left. They are in the process of moving production but this shouldn't take too long. I'll confirm later regarding pack 2.
Regards, Steve
http://www.arcanesceneryandmodels.co.uk/
http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Arcane-Scenery-and-Models
So, hopefully that clears up a few things. Luckily for me, arcane scenery offers shipping promos, so it was better to get it from them anyway. Lets hope these hairy dudes are around for a long time yet!
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So "Lucid Eye" is an independant company?
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So it would seem. It would also seem that Arcane Scenery and Models is the place to go to get some (once they get a restock).
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But nobody knows how big the Acheson cavemen are?
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doesn't seem so.. maybe i should just buy a set. but customs ouch looms B)
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TBH, the Copplestone ones look better than the Acheson ones to me, and in the comparison pic above they seem to match well to Lucid Eye.
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They're not very neanderthal tho, i plan on using some of them for my cro magnons ☺
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the Lucid Eye sapients are as Neanderthal as You can get, they come pretts close to the museum reconstructions. They are not perfect, especially concerning the gear, but the physique is pretty good.
The Copplestone ones are generic "cavemen" could be used for everything, they are broad enough to be neanderthals
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I see... well, I guess it depends on how picky you want to be on the little details ;)
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of course - which are the details that bother You?
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order placed, will uåpdate with comp-pic when they arrive..
Acheson also had a set of stone age weapons, good for if i want to rearm some lucid eye i think..
bauda wargames has some for their fantasy orcs aswell..
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All a bit odd. i picked up the first Lucid Eye neanderthal packs at Salute, and was looking forward to getting the next releases... Weren't they included in a North Star news email just a few weeks ago? A second pack of neanderthals plus the cro-magnon chief?
Now they're not carrying them any more?
And yet they're done by Steve Saleh, who does much of North Star's own brand sculpting for them? I thought Lucid Eye was introduced as Steve Saleh's own little sideline range? Where he could indulge his interests...
What gives? Has there been a falling out?
I think we should be told (please)
:)
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I looked at the Acheson neanderthals a number of times during Historicon 2012 and walked away each time without purchasing them - not sure if it is the 'neanderthal heavy brow' or just the sculpting that did not grab me.
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The chap who did the deadlands figures used to have a small clan of neanderthals they were a bit cartoony but quite nice.
Strange deal at present with the Lucid eye, noticed the range was on sale (Huaxtecs) on North Star site a couple of weeks ago!
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Oh I also had the Pulp fiction ones, a little cartoony too but nice figures
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The lucid ones are very statics.
i prefer a base of savage german from Foundry and Black Tree to feature a good neenderthal :
like mine :
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5556/14675523594_9cdf90a5bf_c.jpg)
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5558/14491191530_a6f151c882_c.jpg)
cheers
Eric
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The Lucid Eye Neanderthals and Cro-magnon chief are back up at North Star, under 'bargains', though who knows for how long? If you want em, grab em!
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Interesting to note is that the 'discounted' price for those packs is the regular price I paid at arcane scenery for those lucid eye neanderthals...
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I picked them up, but sheesh they are expensive, even at the "bargain" price. No wonder they didn't sell well. It's too bad as I would like to see the range expanded. This would also be a good niche for Osprey to create a rules set.
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Unpainted Acheson with the lucid eye ones
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i295/Col_stone/20140905_173254-1.jpg) (http://s75.photobucket.com/user/Col_stone/media/20140905_173254-1.jpg.html)
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I picked them up, but sheesh they are expensive, even at the "bargain" price. No wonder they didn't sell well. It's too bad as I would like to see the range expanded. This would also be a good niche for Osprey to create a rules set.
Just over £2 a model isn't that expensive unless you are wanting to build units of 20-30 of them! I bought a pack of each type. Pretty reasonable price - not Copplestone or historicals cheap - but I envisaged these as being a bit 'fantasy' and very much of the skirmish game type of miniature.
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the 7 men available is just about the number of adult men you will have in a typical extended family. The rest will be children, women and old people
if you want to stay authentic of course
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I'm going for 10 lucid eye figures for the base hunters and adding older and younger + females from acheson, they are a bit less muscular as you may see in the pic above, but on the other hand the Lucid eye ones have very fluffy furs :D
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what are You actually planning to do with them? if I may ask? I'm curious
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Well, North Star appear to have run out of the second pack of Neanderthals and the Cro-magnon chief... Let's hope someone else picks them up...
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what are You actually planning to do with them? if I may ask? I'm curious
I'm looking at prehistoric lement from steve barber, and tooth and claw..also pulp alley :)
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I don't know tooth and claw, Prehistoric settlement was interesting, but it included some early agriculture if I recall it correctly, so no use for neanderthals in this case.
But Pulp Alley 50K BC sounds very interesting. You will definitely need some mammoths
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They would be great for Pulp Games...Journey to the Center of the Earth, etc.
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I don't know tooth and claw, Prehistoric settlement was interesting, but it included some early agriculture if I recall it correctly, so no use for neanderthals in this case.
But Pulp Alley 50K BC sounds very interesting. You will definitely need some mammoths
I don't have prehistoric Settlement yet, but i was expecting "some" house rules would need to be written :)
Mammoths i have, and Megaloceros :D
need some kind of europeanliving big cat aswell, that is proving harder to find :/
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I recall many ranges to sport some kind of sabertooth tiger. Have You checked Reaper? Otherwise the old fantasy warrior range had a few very nice ones
https://www.reapermini.com/Miniatures/sabertooth/latest
(https://www.reapermini.com/graphics/gallery/4/03570_w_2.jpg)(https://www.reapermini.com/graphics/gallery/4/03253_3253_G_004.jpg)(https://www.reapermini.com/graphics/gallery/4/02480_w_1.jpg)
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I'm trying to figure out which one is most like the european big cats, since it seems most ranges carry smilodons who never ate a neanderthal ^^
i think i need a Homotherium, but those are very elusive....
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well apart from the exaggerated canines, You seem to have hit the jackpot
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1b/Homotherium_serum_life-restoration.jpg/1024px-Homotherium_serum_life-restoration.jpg)
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The one with the girl might very well be what i need, i'm also curious about the pulp figures ones..
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or, a largescale lioness.. :D
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not peckish with the neanderthals, but the pussycat must be accurate? ;)
http://stevepugh.net/VTT/dino/2528mm-dinosaurs-and-other-prehistoric-miniatures/
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Still not hundred on how well the figures match, they need paint first :/
That is the "bible" i've been chasing it up and down for a good cat :D
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Very interesting project. Good luck on your hunt. ;)
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Edit: got them home and out of the bags, and I am wrong, some of the Neanderthals are actually shorter than the Cro-Magnon. Very nice figures!
Managed to grab the Lucid Eyes Neanderthals when Nick put them back up again. They are really sweet figures, but HUGE. They tower above the Cro-magnon from the same range. Weren't Neanderthals supposed to be short and stocky?
In any case, hope to see more fro the range and hope they keep Steve S as the sculptor!
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Just thought I would update you folks - the Lucid Eye neanderthals are back in stock at Arcane Scenery, and they have free shipping this month too. It sounds like they are planning more releases along the same line with more stone-age type stuff and animals from the DeeZee range. Not sure on any timeframe for that though,
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Not sure if everybody can see this, it's from the facebook page, but these are new cro-magnons coming up. There's also a pic of a planet of the apes style chimp with a spear
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I love this range. Personal issues have stopped most hobby purchases for a while but these are definitely on the to get list....
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They look good, but are remarkedly clean-shaven for cavemen. Is Steve Saleh still the sculptor?
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Yep, he is the sculptor.
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are remarkedly clean-shaven for cavemen
doesn't fit the bearded caveman cliché ? ;)
the aztecs reportedely shaved with flint blades.
I would assume that this reconstruction follows the rather aged BBC documentary that portrayed cromagnon a bit "indian style" - I can't find the clip right now
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we don't even know about their hair growth.
this varies considerably around the world today
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/45/Bodyhair_map_according_to_American_Journal_of_Physical_Anthropology_and_other_sources_vectorized.svg/1280px-Bodyhair_map_according_to_American_Journal_of_Physical_Anthropology_and_other_sources_vectorized.svg.png)
said documentary implied the Out of Africa II theory by letting the Cromagnon appear less hairy and also darker skinned
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These guys could take hair off an animal skin so I see no convincing reason why they could not remove it from their own faces...I am not saying they did or did not just they could.
But why would they?
During the winter it helps keep you warm and on the long days hunting if you wanted a snack to tide you over, you just shake it a little bit.
:D
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Ritualised shaving of hair and facepaint by the 'männerbünde' before hunting or warfare, to actually become the (animal-) spirit and accomplish succes or victory. The old shamanistic approach of doing things, y'know.
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Not sure if everybody can see this, it's from the facebook page, but these are new cro-magnons coming up. There's also a pic of a planet of the apes style chimp with a spear
Quite fancy them as ratskins ,chop the spear ,add a gun,and veteran or hunting party ratskins for necromunda .
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oh, yes, even with primitive weapons
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Just seen on the Warlord newsletter that Steve is now working for them.....that may explain Northstar dropping the range...........
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seriously? I thought most sculptors worked freelance without competition clause....
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Had no idea that the facial hair thing was so controversial! It seems like Cro-Magnon's versus Neanderthals would have to be in ancient Europe, so it's likely the Magnons had facial hair? That's what I was thinking. Hard to imagine a nomadic hunter would take the time to shave every day. Anyway, I like the figures, so it doesn't really matter.
Although if Steve is working for warlord now, one wonders how much time he'll have to put into this. Quite a loss for Northstar in my opinion.
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Hard to imagine a nomadic hunter would take the time to shave every day.
Hunter gatherers have a lot more free time than farmers, factory workers or office serfs. And flint knives were sharper than anything short of surgical steel, so the technology for shaving would have been there from the mesolithic.
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can we skip this hairy thing? it's reconstruction - we'll never know unless they find one frozen in ice - same like the feathers with dinosaurs....
can anyone tell why Steve can't work for both companies? Mike Owen does comission for half a dozen...
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Hunter gatherers have a lot more free time than farmers, factory workers or office serfs. And flint knives were sharper than anything short of surgical steel, so the technology for shaving would have been there from the mesolithic.
Have to disagree with this as the current research shows that it was the move to farming that allowed the growth on none gathering roles in the groups. With less pressure on the group to find food evry day other roles such as tanners, metal workers became possible and as specialists helped to remove pressure on other parts of the group trade of skills for food via barter grew.
I think shaving would have been required (though to what level is questionable) solely for hygiene and practice reasons. Having had a full growth for 20 years I can testify a short beard is easier to live with than a full growth but takes more time to keep neat and tidy than shaven.
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lol
I must say I cannot see how the three statements in the previous post are related in any way in argument. They are not even contradictory....
Hunter gatherers have a lot more free time than farmers, factory workers or office serfs.
very true. relation to shaving? both shaving and non shaving hunter-gatherers as well as agriculturalists, pastoral nomads etc. are known. I personally would not relate shaving to "free time". besides, free time is a modern concept that juxtaposes "work time". long debate ensues ;)
And flint knives were sharper than anything short of surgical steel, so the technology for shaving would have been there from the mesolithic.
This is very true, even sharper than surgical steel, but
I am not sure if anyone made experiments on shaving with flint...so, Assumption: in order to shave with flint a straight, non retouched blank is needed, say a "preferential flake". Since we are discussing the cultural technique of shaving, the skill of a standardized production is needed.
To make things easy, let's say le Vallois flint technology, the Mousterian of the middle paleolithic, 250KY BP.
(in terms of lithics, the Mesolithic is known for standardized small implements and standardized blade technology that optimizes it)
the current research shows that it was the move to farming that allowed the growth on none gathering roles in the groups. With less pressure on the group to find food evry day other roles such as tanners, metal workers became possible and as specialists helped to remove pressure on other parts of the group trade of skills for food via barter grew.
very true; the development of division of labour as summed up from the Mesolithic to bronze age. some 7000 years at least....
a bit oversimplified in terms of the causality chain. Relation to intra- or intergroup differentiation through hair grooming? hm..... :?
I think shaving would have been required (though to what level is questionable) solely for hygiene and practice reasons.
have read this theory, derived from the shaving of body and head hair in the early antiquity (development and growth uf urbanism) and related to avoidance of hygiene problems, yet Egyptians, Hitites, Sumerians, You name it, had very elaborate beard fashions, and these can harbour lice too, as well as the hair pieces that covered the shaven heads...
I am not convinced....
I prefer the simple approach:
we do not know the phylogenetic diversity expressed in the facial hair neither from Neanderthal nor from Cromagnon.
The prevalance of facial hair in modern populations that originate from the home of the neanderthals (just to preempt a possible argument ;)) could seduce to the hypothesis that Neanderthals were bearded (in fact I would rather opt for the tradition of how the "primitive" hominids were portrayed, barbarians).
The absence of facial hair in modern african population could also lead to depicting the theory "out of africa II" of the home of the Cromagnon by showing them without facial hair.
Especially when wanting to juxtapose them as "different" from Neanderthal. Or more cultured, intelligent, superior, pick the racist sterotype of your choice >:D
differing physique=different culture
not a valid equation (maybe in the 19th century)
different subsistence=different technologies=different social techniques
not a valid equation either
tasty red wine+access to internet forums?
maybe not a good idea for me ;)
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tasty red wine+access to internet forums?
maybe not a good idea for me ;)
But a lot easier to get to than a time machine :D
Putting the thoughts aside - maybe all figure manufacturers should create shaven figures for this period then sell add-on beards or green stuff! At least you can then go with your own thoughts and it would be a lot easier than trying to shave a figure :o
(Sorry not enough red wine)
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add-on beards
Now there's a Kickstarter!
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lol
ace! especially as I am awful at sculpting beards. My only try so far was glueing sand to the face...
Guess one couldn't even call it sculpting
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oh, no scarcity in that department....
You can look the legionnaire up in my army thread ;)
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seriously? I thought most sculptors worked freelance without competition clause....
WG or GW? :-[
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Does anyone heard any news from Steve Saleh concerning this range? I'd love to see at least two packs of cro mags to have at least some opposition to the neanderthals. Maybe women and children hopefully. This small range is IMHO one of the very best i've seen.
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He is developing a background. Previews on facebook...
https://www.facebook.com/lucideyeminiatures?fref=photo
Much stuff coming to Arcane Scenery from December forward. :D
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Oh wow that looks really promising!
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Good! I always knew "10000 BC" was a solid wargaming setting!
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Sweeeeeet! How'd I miss all this?! So long as Steve remains the sculptor, I'm in for all of it! :D
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Oh wow that looks really promising!
+1 to that.