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Miniatures Adventure => Pulp => Triumph & Tragedy => Topic started by: Furt on August 15, 2008, 10:06:39 AM
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Hi,
I have just recently decided to launch into a Sudan or Indian Mutiny game and invest in some miniatures. My biggest question is which ruleset to play. Sword and the Flame seems the most obvious - but I'm more interested in skirmish level games with a 1:1 scale, with more emphasis on heroes. Then I remember Driscoles' Sudan project (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=6503.0 (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=6503.0)) and remember he mentioned using T&T.
My question is - which ruleset is better for playing skirmish level Sudan/Indian Mutiny scenarios and why? How much work would be involved to adapt T&T to earlier periods?
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For me I can say, that I like T&T, because the System with the Unit Cards And Orders Cards is different to most games. Some day I will try to use it fo Sharp Skirmish. T&T is easy to learn. For Players with "super realistic"-demands it is not the right system. You cannot choose 100 Weaponspecifications. But all players don't have to long breaks between their phase.
At the weekend I played my second game and it was realy a good flow. Years ago I played these Monster-Systems with extrem realistic rules. After Month we knew the rules, but it was boring to learn them. 100 of Gametests
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I know nothing of The Sword and the Flame, but as far as I'm concerned, the only converting required for T&T would be coming up with stats for your various troop types, which you have to do anyway, even if you are using it for Twentieth Century gaming. There is nothing 'missing' in the rules that really prevent you running games set in an earlier period.
T&T is great fun, with some neat ideas, but how it compares to the other game I do not know.
Edit: Having thought about it, one thing about T&T that perhaps could do with looking at is that the training/morale levels are sort of rigid. Poor troops are poor troops. There isn't a provision for highly-motivated but untrained soldiers (such as religious fanatics) who might be ridiculously brave, but couldn't hit a barn from inside it if handed a rifle. But that would be very easy to change, the only thing it would muck up would be the points values of said troops, which may or may not be important to you.
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Or simply use the elite value for morale checks etc. while the poor quality value for gighting ability.
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Hi,
after all that positive feedback we are working on special trooptypes, new rules, new mechanics etc.
There will be troop characteristics for native, european etc troops.
We want to cover the Colonial period. Especially Sudan and North West Frontier.
Thanks Nurgle, Plynkes, Doomhippie for your kind support !
I appreciate that very much.
Cheers
Björn
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That is great news! I am working on NW Frontier troops at the moment and I keep hearing the call of the indian Mutiny.
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So it looks like T&T will have an expansion for the Colonial period! :)
Will this be a whole new rulebook or just something to download?
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We definately work on a rulebook covering the Sudan. That project is done together with Frank Becker and Knoxville from Hamburg Wargaming club.
NW Frontier is in the early stages. The first test games are done at the TST Convention in Germany early September.
Spanish Civil War will definately released this year but unfortunately Chris is having lots of exams at university.
We will also have something to download for free.
Cheers
Björn
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Now that the Spanish Civil War supplement is out any more news on T&T Sudan - eagerly awaiting this.
By the way I assume I will still need a copy of T&T first?
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Fsultana,
yep....you can get a copy at brigade games or battlefield berlin online store.
Cheers
Björn
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yep..... Does that mean yes T&T Sudan is ready? :o
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Ooops sorry Sultan. Not yet... :)
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Any progress on T&T Sudan supplement? Hoping this will be available soon.
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There is progress. But I cant tell you an exact release date yet. Iam very sorry.
Seems you are very interested in Sudan or Colonial Wargaming. Please contact me for playtesting. You could contribute to the rules.
Cheers
Björn
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Have PMed you Driscoles
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I know :) Thanks. I will give you a positive reply later. I was busy.
Cheers
Björn
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I just picked up the main T&T rules and am wondering what other supplements are in the works. Of course, I'm aware of the Spanish Civil War supplement. And I gather that there is a Sudan supplement in the works. Any thing else likely to come down the pike?
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Hi Blount,
this year we will focus on a Colonial supplement and the Russian Civil War.
I have played some early ww 2 games with T + T recently and Iam sure I will put them on the website for a free download.
What topics are you interested in ?
Best regards
Björn
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Bjorn -
Any chance you'd be interested in doing an Abyssinian supplement? That would be a lot of fun!
-Doc
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I know not much about this conflct, but Chris does and is interested. We talked about it recently.
I will see him on the weekend and discuss it with him.
Cheers
Björn
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I'm interested in RCW and colonial wars, so I'm glad to hear about those supplements. I'm also interested in the Mexican Revolution, the Irish War of Independence, and political unrest in Germany during the twenties and thirties.
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Björn and I have had some talk about early WW II rules (though my role is admittedly more one of nodding and saying "Yes, great idea" etc). And I realized that only minimal changes are required to make this system fit almost any period of time. I'm personally looking forward to some WW II action but since I live about 5 miles away from Björn I have the chance to play some test games anytime I feel like it - very comfortable.
I think there are some really cool things coming our way but of course they need time. Not that I want to build up any pressure on you, Björn - but you really have done something nice with T&T and it's really fun watching your game grow.
As to the civil unrest in Germany: I suggest the rules of the Spanish civil war (minus the tanks and airplanes) as you basically have similar actors: nationalist Freikorps and communist rebels against each other or against the regualr army (even though the army once said they would not shoot at the Freikorps as they were considered to be the army in spirit at least).
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Looking really forward to the Colonial supplement since that is a period I'm already gaming. (Hard enough to struggle with the temptation of BoB/SCW stuff!)
On top of my wishlist would be a supplement for the Napoleonic era. Okay, there are "a few" rule sets for this period already - but why not adapting a running (and innovative!) system? I'm planning to try it myself at first this year. Perhaps a small report can change the editor's mind? ::)
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:)
All I know about the Napoleon era is that they had single shot muskets !
Ok seriously....Chris and me are really not very much involved in Napoleonic Wargaming. I like to watch it on shows because its so colorful and I really would like to play it one day but Iam not sure if Iam the right men for Napolenics rules. But with some modification on range combat, some new skills for heroes Iam sure you can write some napoeonic house rules with T+T
Björn