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Miniatures Adventure => The Conflicts that came in from the Cold => Topic started by: MajorTalon on September 20, 2014, 02:54:38 AM
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I wanted to go with 28mm. What miniatures would I use for US, Brits, and Soviets? I was also unsure if the British minis should have SA80's or SLRs.
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Depends on what version your using. But you could get away with both honestly. Or just mixs it up. As for miniatures see if you can find some of the old MoFo or mongrel miniatures line.
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You should check out Empress Miniatures for their British, Americans, People's Liberation Army, etc. They're quite nice.
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You can also snag some extra weapons and bits from TAG or some of the war-games factory survives (Men and Women). To make a nice motly collection of survivors, raiders, bandits and civilians.
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I was going to be using the 2nd Edition rulebook for my campaign. Got a box of books for the game for $35 on eBay. THanks for the suggestions everyone.
@Max Hazard: I've already purchased Empress models, but they don't really fit 1990's US.
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Great game, never actually got to play more than a few times...
I really think minis wise, you could get away with any current/slightly in the future (a year or two) NATO/ Russian minis as well as a variety of terrorist/insurgent types. The question is really what scale you'd like to do and what you plan for the game. If you guys begin with a LAV, you may want to think more 20mm than 28. Not only for size, but cost and availability.
Looking forward to seeing this get going!
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I'd go for Gripping Beast/Mofo US (90s Somalia) and also take at look at the mercenaries - balaclavas and AKs for the win - great marauders or bandits.
Empress/Red Star Chechen conflict Russians, plus Eureka's new Afghan War Soviets (the NBC gear wearing tank crew is superb!).
For the Brits, GB/Mofo also do the Falklands-era UK Task Force with SLRs, and mix them in with SA80 toting TAG Brits, maybe with a few wooly hat or different helmet head swaps (also from Mofo, and they do loose bergens too).
Plus, all the suggestions above work very well. ;)
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Eureka and TAG are my faves for 28mm.
I used to play Twilight 2000 in 6mm, gave a great scale to it and a lot more opportunities for widely different tactics, especially the running away bit. ::)
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Another fan here too. I used to like that you could pretty much make up a force of pretty much anything you liked for a group isolated from its supply lines (as in the Warsaw scenarios). Great suggestions for figures, but I always favoured those which who looked slightly irregular in appearance, rather than the ones in full official kit. You have to work with what you have I guess.
Good look with this project though, will be looking forwards to see what comes from it. :)
For 'atmosphere' dare I mention James Rouch's 'The Zone' books?
https://www.goodreads.com/series/94254-the-zone
;)
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Curious as to what you will be building.
I personally stuck to 20mm as you have quite the treasure trove of suppliers of miniatures that are suitable, and making conversions of the prototypes seen in the books won't break the bank.
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I wanted to go with 28mm. What miniatures would I use for US, Brits, and Soviets? I was also unsure if the British minis should have SA80's or SLRs.
Well the game was published in 1984, with WW3 having broken out in 1995 and the game date being 2000. By 95 even an RAF junior officer embedded in an IT industry project in central London had done the SA80 conversion course so the SA80 would have been the norm, but as the game was set in a period of 'broken back', post-nuclear war second-line/militia forces could easily have been equipped with SLRs.
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Thank you for the replies. My copy of the game has come in, and now I've learned of a board game "expansion" for combat resolution. Is Last Battle a decent idea for this, or should I choose a different medium?
On another note, I've decided to go with 20mm. I've put in an order to Elhiem minis.
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Last Battle was actually a pretty decent boardgame, and has a good mix of vehicles, weapons and forces available. Unfortunately, while it shares rules similar to other GDW boardgames in the First Battle system, it also had its own unique map/hex/counter size, so if you need to expand to other types of forces or vehicle, you might need to make your own coutners, or you might need to look at using GDW's Team Yankee, Test of Arms, Battlefield Europe or Sands of War. All of which are decent wargames.
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I've put in an order to Elhiem minis.
I believe there will be quite a few Cold War Gone Hot releases soon, so that choice was good timing!
Also, take a look at S&S for vehicles: http://sandsmodelsshop.com/shop/ (http://sandsmodelsshop.com/shop/)
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GDW also published a set of tabletop miniatures rules in "Challenge" issue 25. In essence it was a stripped down and simplified version of Command Decision but tailored for T2000 and rescaled for 1:1 instead of 1:4ish. I'm not sure if this was ever published in its own right or as part of a T2000 product. It has the advantage that it will already include ratings for some of the core T2000 "what-if" equipment. If you ask nicely I could scan it for you :)
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Oh great, master Hobbit, could you possibly scan this CHallenge magazine issue for me? lol
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No problem, drop me a PM with your email (same for anyone else) and I'll get it done. Will probably be Monday before I can get round to it.
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PM sent. Thank you. :)
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Those might be the same rules as GDW's Last Battle board game/miniatures game.
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Gentlemen,
for some reason dropbox seems to be only granting you access to the first file. I'll email you the files in two batches of 4 pages each; you should get these later this evening,
Hobbit
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In an attempt to make some background stuff for the campaign, I've been using Photoshop to create material.
Also, is it a better idea to play the starting adventure, or to create a custom campaign. Not all of players want to be Americans, so I'm looking for a different route.
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The group I used to play as when I was a teen was comprised mostly of Airmen and a few retired US army Europe solders who had married German women and stayed in the Kaiserslautern area of Germany.
The game was ran by the retires and it used to always gall them how we had no idea of filed craft, or basic tactics. And to make it worst we would actually come out on top whilst doing every thing wrong. ;D
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Also, is it a better idea to play the starting adventure, or to create a custom campaign. Not all of players want to be Americans, so I'm looking for a different route.
Nice work on the background picture! Pleae keep posting up any more you do - my Tw2k stuff could do with a morale boost ;-)
Don't forget that most forces now contain a mix of nationalities - so just because they're part of am 'american' unit, it doesn't mean that you can't field stranded Brits, Polish volunteers, etc etc...
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Gents, you should have now had all of the files. There should be a total of 8 separate pages. If anyone who requested the rules hasn't received all 8 pages please PM or email me.
I apologise wholeheartedly for the difficulties - it has been a minor nightmare of hanging emails and disappearing attachments. I sincerely hope some decent gaming comes out of this!
Andy
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I got to look at mine this morning finally. Looks great, thanks again Mate!
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Thank you Hobbit!
I ordered an S+S T-64 and US Tank commanders, because......... Marauders?
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The T-64 sounds promising - are you going to do it in a US camo scheme? ;)
I'm not sure if it's of any interest, but a couple of guys over at the guild did some twilight 2000 stuff a few years ago. the biggest thread is on their old forum (http://theguild.informe.com/the-twilight-2000-project-dt323.html), although there are quite a few smaller threads on the new forum, I think you need to be a member to get to them...
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That's the derelict old forum, I wouldn't suggest signing up for that cause I don't think any admin still monitors that.
The topic, and a few more, were more of a brainstorm of Piers and me to do something communal. Quite fun to do, as anything goes in a skirmish game. I still want to make myself a Giraffe cause I have so many M1 variants in my warehouse, it is not funny anymore.
(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/Twilight%202000/USA3.jpg)
I also made a Jagdpanzer Kanone with a 120mm gun, a what-if upgrade. We actually used it for a Big Game once.
I really wish someone did a affordable Cadillac Cage Stingray, but it looks like I will have to make the master for it myself.
I still intend to use my more modern buildings and troops for a game, but not anytime soon I'm afraid.
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The above picture reminds me that...of course some vehicle names/designations (like M1a2) were applied to "what-if?" vehicles by T2000 that then went on to be used for real (but different) vehicles. I presume that the folks I've forwarded the rules to are aware of that BUT it never hurts to remind people of the bleedin' obvious on occasion ;)
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The above picture reminds me that...of course some vehicle names/designations (like M1a2) were applied to "what-if?" vehicles by T2000 that then went on to be used for real (but different) vehicles. I presume that the folks I've forwarded the rules to are aware of that BUT it never hurts to remind people of the bleedin' obvious on occasion ;)
I am. :D <Maybe we can call this now the M1X or M1RT (remote turret)?
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M1RT is FAR too obvious a designation, it needs something like M1A1(NCWS)A2 (Non-Crewed Weapon Station) or something equally convoluted lol
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The T-64 sounds promising - are you going to do it in a US camo scheme? ;)
I'm not sure if it's of any interest, but a couple of guys over at the guild did some twilight 2000 stuff a few years ago. the biggest thread is on their old forum (http://theguild.informe.com/the-twilight-2000-project-dt323.html), although there are quite a few smaller threads on the new forum, I think you need to be a member to get to them...
Thanks for the reminder- the thread had some good stuff in it.
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M1RT is FAR too obvious a designation, it needs something like M1A1(NCWS)A2 (Non-Crewed Weapon Station) or something equally convoluted lol
True, but I thought 'Mirt' was catchy... :D
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I think the couple of guys mentioned are our own Piers and Gunbird... maybe if we ask kindly they will post their stuff also here...
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Hey, I am Gunbird. I really should change that on this forum :D
I'll look into my Photobucket to see what more I can find of our TW2K escapades. I don't think you will find much of Piers though, he lost the Moderns bug, it is all WW2 and earlier now for him.
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Hey, I am Gunbird. I really should change that on this forum :D
I'll look into my Photobucket to see what more I can find of our TW2K escapades. I don't think you will find much of Piers though, he lost the Moderns bug, it is all WW2 and earlier now for him.
That thread is awesome, it gives me many many ideas.
I'm considering making an M1E2 Giraffe, however, I'm not sure how to build it.
On the mini front, I've gotten my Elhiem order in, and based some of the minis.
(http://i900.photobucket.com/albums/ac207/calgar_20/20141010_025424_zps2db90f37.jpg)
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The real deal (Giraffe) and yes, it looks different compared to the drawing.
(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/Twilight%202000/IMG_0630.jpg) (http://s76.photobucket.com/user/wayswatcher/media/Twilight%202000/IMG_0630.jpg.html)
(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/Twilight%202000/IMG_0613.jpg) (http://s76.photobucket.com/user/wayswatcher/media/Twilight%202000/IMG_0613.jpg.html)
(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/Twilight%202000/IMG_0612.jpg) (http://s76.photobucket.com/user/wayswatcher/media/Twilight%202000/IMG_0612.jpg.html)
(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/Twilight%202000/IMG_0610.jpg) (http://s76.photobucket.com/user/wayswatcher/media/Twilight%202000/IMG_0610.jpg.html)
(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/Twilight%202000/IMG_0609.jpg) (http://s76.photobucket.com/user/wayswatcher/media/Twilight%202000/IMG_0609.jpg.html)
I can't remember where I found them though.
Remember that the 3 crew, driver, commander and gunner all sit in the front and have their own scopes and exit hatches. Quite a bit of cutting or moulding to do to build one. I made one basic conversion before in 1/300 as a command base for CWC, but it was missing the extra hatches. I should add them in 1/72.
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Just used my break to see if there are any updates in the intel, and I found these:
Same idea, different chassis
http://tanksandafv.blogspot.nl/2014/04/teledyne-low-profile-turret.html
http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/1962/expeditionarytankl4.jpg
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i307/DT120_photos/myzik.jpg
I found some models people made of the Abrams, but annoyingly when clicking on the pics on Google you get the Photobucket removed pageholder. Harumpf.
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The Jordanians have developed a "low profile" turret for the Challenger 1. I don't know if it has entered service though: (http://www.military-today.com/tanks/falcon_turret.jpg) and more info/pictures: http://www.military-today.com/tanks/falcon_turret.htm
As an aside, I noticed the other day that S-Models do a few bits and pieces (BMPs, BRDMs, M113s, MUTTs, Sheridens) that could be useful for T2000:
http://theplasticsoldiercompany.co.uk/index.php?main_page=index&manufacturers_id=11
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(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j17/wayswatcher/Twilight%202000/USA3.jpg)
I believe that one could be easily done with a hull from a M1 (or any M1 Abram's variant) plus the gun system from Stryker MGS - well at least in 20mm it's easy.
Faustnik
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I'll be sure to try it out. However, I present to you:
M1 Abrams "Suspect Device"
(http://i900.photobucket.com/albums/ac207/calgar_20/20141012_231355_zpsc6ecdbe8.jpg)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKsN5cj9ehs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKsN5cj9ehs)
I may or may not have been listening to Stiff Little Fingers while putting it together. It's a 1/72 M1E1 kit from Hasagewa.
SHould note this, it's still WIP.
Edit: Does anyone know where I could possibly find 20mm Punks?
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maybe here
http://berenzed.wix.com/apocalypseminiatures#!punks-20mm/c552
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-JL3pAXZ4YAE/U_ox0GbHO4I/AAAAAAAAA_g/qM1_7zGL_p0/s1600/Winter%2Bof%2B79%2BApocalypse%2BMiniatures%2BPunks.jpg)
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I had found them, but they're apparently 1/72 "Heroic", or 25mm.
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Unfortunately, those guys are way too big to mix with other 20mm ranges (pictures on this link: http://s1.zetaboards.com/Post_Apoc_Wargames/topic/5615135/2/) but apparently they are being resculpted in 'true' 20mm.
The best source for punks now is the old GW Dark Future range, which mix well with Elheim. Hotspue/Combat miniatures did a pack of rioters and another of armed criminals which, whilst not punks, are very definitelly 70's/80's and would work well for raiders
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Long time, no post everyone. The campaign is finally occurring, and I have a nice little lineup of players, and some more background images.
This uses modified MOS Tables
-American 1st Lieutenant (Green Beret)
-American SFC (Ranger)
-Former British Spec 4 (Heavy Weapons)
-Former Australian Spec 4 (Air Force Base Security)
-Former Hungarian Spec 4 (Combat Medic)
-Former Soviet Spec 4 (Armor Crewman)
Interesting lineup, but I can make it work.
Now for some of the background images I've made.
(http://orig11.deviantart.net/e0f0/f/2016/096/7/4/sas_in_warsaw__twilight_20000__by_majorgeneraldardin-d9xws4v.jpg)
(http://orig15.deviantart.net/21e9/f/2016/096/3/3/5th_id_remnants__hungary__twilight_2000__by_majorgeneraldardin-d9y0qf1.jpg)
Link to the rest in my gallery.
http://majorgeneraldardin.deviantart.com/gallery/58445790/Twilight-2000 (http://majorgeneraldardin.deviantart.com/gallery/58445790/Twilight-2000)
That's my update for now.
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About time :D
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About time :D
I unfortunately have a habit of letting these things slip through.
Such as Fallout.
I luckily have everything together for this. I even purchased FFE's reprint compilation of the main rules, and first four campaign modules.
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I unfortunately have a habit of letting these things slip through.
Such as Fallout.
I luckily have everything together for this. I even purchased FFE's reprint compilation of the main rules, and first four campaign modules.
Woohoo!!
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Just read your thread and hope you'll have loads of fun.
There's an updated version of the rules called Twilight 2013, PDF can be bought here: http://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/58794/T2013-Twilight-2013-Core-Rules
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I have to say I was deeply unimpressed with T2k... :(
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Used to love t2000!!
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Update, we now have a Czech 1st Lieutenant as well. He's the Combat Engineer. Vehicles have also been purchased by the team. A BRDM-3, and a 5-ton Cargo truck. I'm allowing the group to add some steel plating to the 5-ton, as well as a .50.
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Wish I had some photos to share of the trucks that we slapped steel and kavalar plates to in Afghanistan.
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Does anyone know if a 1/72 scale or 20mm model of an M939 exists?
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I did a quick Google search and Armada hobby seems to make a few in 1/72
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Oops, looks like I cocked up my last post - I meant to say I was unimpressed with Twilight 2013, not T2k :-X I'm a huge fan of T2k, I have most of the second edition stuff and ran a very long campaign through my last few years of school and college! Still, love what you're doing here, I have ideas for running a game for a British party marooned in Canada and trying to get home, but haven't got very far with it!
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Oops, looks like I cocked up my last post - I meant to say I was unimpressed with Twilight 2013, not T2k :-X I'm a huge fan of T2k, I have most of the second edition stuff and ran a very long campaign through my last few years of school and college! Still, love what you're doing here, I have ideas for running a game for a British party marooned in Canada and trying to get home, but haven't got very far with it!
I just can't get into the 2nd edition fluff. I'm using modified 1st edition fluff, with Desert Shield/Storm happening, and with Gorbachev dying in a quiet coup.
Here's a link:
https://www.docdroid.net/2l9eEus/the-storm-in-germany-by-webstral.pdf.html (https://www.docdroid.net/2l9eEus/the-storm-in-germany-by-webstral.pdf.html)
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Interesting idea!
Having picked up some Evil Bear, Spectre and the new Eureka Brits at Salute and over the last while I'm tempted to move the start point to near future (as T2k13... o_o) and have the Chinese assaulting through Alaska and shattering a British/Canadian battle group on the Canadian/Alaskan border (in a nod to the original set-up)...
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UPDATE
First pic of painted models. This is my first time painting 20mm, so please be kind. lol
(http://i900.photobucket.com/albums/ac207/calgar_20/20160421_013739_zpsejxcuitw.jpg)
Also, some last minute planning has been going on, and I need your help.
I want some Marauders in my world to be using some WWII vehicles that were upgunned after being pilfered from the local museum, specifically, a StuG Ausf G. What modern weapons, other than perhaps an MG3, would be put in it? I was thinking maybe 23mm autocannon, or maybe a 30mm.
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23mm autocannon would eat up ammo like it is not funny anymore. Why not mount a recoilless rifle on top, some armour plates on the back to protect your gunners, a truck engine in the back instead of the original....just tossing out some ideas.....
Can't say much about the figures untill you light them properly,, and the picture if focussed on the shell behind them, not on the figures. There are some tips on taking pictures somewhere on this forum....
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23mm autocannon would eat up ammo like it is not funny anymore. Why not mount a recoilless rifle on top, some armour plates on the back to protect your gunners, a truck engine in the back instead of the original....just tossing out some ideas.....
Can't say much about the figures untill you light them properly,, and the picture if focussed on the shell behind them, not on the figures. There are some tips on taking pictures somewhere on this forum....
Thanks for the response. You might have the right idea with the recoiless rifle. I have to go back through the rules to choose which one though. The way I envision it, the weapon would be in the same general spot as the 7.5 cm cannon, or what hve you.
Pics will be up tomorrow.
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Just when I think all is fine. >:(
The campaign is going on hiatus, as it's a bit of a hassle for me, as a novice GM. I'll possibly be switching over to a S.T.A.L.K.E.R. campaign that uses D20. The minis will keeping coming, albeit at a slower rate.