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Miniatures Adventure => Back of Beyond => Topic started by: dodge on September 03, 2008, 01:50:06 PM
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After over a year of having some white russians I finally sat down to paintthem. Read through my osprey guide and picked on the composite rifle regiment figure for some basic troops.
I did struggle with the colour for the main uniform but have found that foundry moss is a good match.
I will post some photos soonish, but just wondered what colours anybody else has used for that uniform?
Thanks
Dodge
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For russian khaki I use VMC Green Brown. Darkened with black or brown and mixed up with ocre/sand/ivory for the highlights.
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For russian khaki I use VMC Green Brown. Darkened with black or brown and mixed up with ocre/sand/ivory for the highlights.
Thanks Hazel I'll look at that. Mixing would be quite new to me but hey we should always try new things :D
Dodge
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I've finished the first 10 plus an officer, not sure I'm 100% happy now I've photographed them I need much more care in the faces and eyes than I'm currently giving, I do have trouble focusing on that area though when painting.
So for what its worth here they are it was alittle gloomy last night:
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_eONwCIOtTO8/SM9qFryveCI/AAAAAAAAAFE/GMBO5jXSQgo/s320/white+officer.JPG) (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_eONwCIOtTO8/SM9qF6Ytn5I/AAAAAAAAAFM/VK2EkRqq5hM/s320/white1.JPG)
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_eONwCIOtTO8/SM9qGLDsSoI/AAAAAAAAAFU/XdJryYSoUTQ/s320/white+2.JPG) (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_eONwCIOtTO8/SM9qGWXfmXI/AAAAAAAAAFc/Mkyc7gRtSh0/s320/white+unit.JPG)
The colour I used for the uniform was Foundry moss which worked quite well I think.
Also I have done some Ironclad men in black but painted them to use in a pulp/ bob setting
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_eONwCIOtTO8/SM9qGU0buVI/AAAAAAAAAFk/8sLCKPfcX4A/s320/iron+clad1.JPG) (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_eONwCIOtTO8/SM9qNGKQo2I/AAAAAAAAAFs/MRKnwQwCXy4/s320/ironclad2)
Hope you like them, some ragged whites to follow in a couple of weeks I expect.
Dodge
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These look nice. Please more pictures (but maybe brighter).
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These look nice. Please more pictures (but maybe brighter).
Thanks Regulator
I'll have another go later. Got the lighting all wrong. Photoshop isn't helping either.
Dodge
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These look nice. Please more pictures (but maybe brighter).
Thanks Regulator
I'll have another go later. Got the lighting all wrong. Photoshop isn't helping either.
Dodge
I am looking forward to see the guys in brighter pictures.
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They look good!! The uniform colour works well :D
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I am looking forward to see the guys in brighter pictures.
I will have a go but it will be tomorrow night so posts on friday? would that be ok. ;)
Thanks for the comments Hazel I thought the colour went well but I will be having a go at using your colour idea too on the next batch. 8)
Does anyone know what colour I should paint the great coats of my ragged whites. I sort of think grey should be it but if anyone knows it should be different please let me know.
:-I
Dodge
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That would be ok, dodge :)
I don't exactly know something about white russian army, but I think grey or deep brown should work well with the
ragged style. (And it will look like a bunch of poor soldiers).
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That would be ok, dodge :)
I don't exactly know something about white russian army, but I think grey or deep brown should work well with the
ragged style. (And it will look like a bunch of poor soldiers).
I think you are right grey or brown. they need to be ragged :D
dodge
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Nice minis, I've been contemplating getting a few myself. Wish there was a bit more support for the reds(not that they'd be too different modeling-wise I guess) though. Been wanting to make a tribute to the Motherland through miniatures myself.
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Nice minis, I've been contemplating getting a few myself. Wish there was a bit more support for the reds(not that they'd be too different modeling-wise I guess) though. Been wanting to make a tribute to the Motherland through miniatures myself.
Thank you, have you looked at copplestone castings, brigade for the reds they have a good selection.
I have found the white poses a little one dimensional and so was thinking of buyiny copplestone reds to file off bits of the uniform to make whites to have some different poses.
dodge
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Buy some reds, they are looking more "veteran". Cut off the stars and add some shoulder boards, that´s the main difference between whites and reds.
The greatcoats for the common soldier were off very cheap grey-brown cloth, the officers had coats of better material in grey.
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Buy some reds, they are looking more "veteran". Cut off the stars and add some shoulder boards, that´s the main difference between whites and reds.
The greatcoats for the common soldier were off very cheap grey-brown cloth, the officers had coats of better material in grey.
Thanks Hazel that's useful.
As my whites expand I will d that.
I think grey with devlan mud wash could do the trick
dodge
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I took some ne wpics last night tried to use natural daylight bulb and a lighter background.
They look a little better hope you can see.
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_eONwCIOtTO8/SNNWIqDYDiI/AAAAAAAAAF8/NyXzYoRqafU/s320/officer1.JPG) (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_eONwCIOtTO8/SNNWIz8tOmI/AAAAAAAAAGE/5YygKlOx0Fc/s320/white+group3.JPG)
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_eONwCIOtTO8/SNNWIvRZ3yI/AAAAAAAAAF0/mf3X185Rt9M/s320/white+group.JPG) (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_eONwCIOtTO8/SNNWI59CBvI/AAAAAAAAAGM/jBrT02ESag8/s320/whites3.JPG)
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_eONwCIOtTO8/SNNWJIiLaxI/AAAAAAAAAGU/nVYJ2JITJoY/s320/whites4.JPG)
So there are a couple of different group shots the officer and then a couple of groups of 3
and heres the ironclads it seems that they want to be dark and shady no matter what ???
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_eONwCIOtTO8/SNNWZ6xIETI/AAAAAAAAAGc/ha2Hd-jZlRg/s320/ironclad1.1.JPG) (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_eONwCIOtTO8/SNNWZ3S1I-I/AAAAAAAAAGk/WzmnqEOYg3g/s320/ironclad2.1.JPG)
Hope you like them, seeing them like this shows me that faces and flesh are not my thing really but my general painting is reasonable.
I think though that if I go for the kill or cure method of painting flesh till its right it may kill me lol
Cheers
dodge
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Much better now, dodge.
I relay like them and the colors works well together. i am looking forward to see the ragged guys :)
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Much better now, dodge.
I relay like them and the colors works well together. i am looking forward to see the ragged guys :)
Thanks I have 5 raggeds with flesh and base colours complete. Faces rubbish but will redo tonight.
May have some more pics next week ish
dodge
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Much better now, dodge.
I relay like them and the colors works well together. i am looking forward to see the ragged guys :)
Thanks I have 5 raggeds with flesh and base colours complete. Faces rubbish but will redo tonight.
May have some more pics next week ish
dodge
Sounds good. I think they will work wellt with the rest i think :)
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Yes, I know of Copplestone's reds, I plan to buy them. Might buy some whites as well and do some conversions to them or something.
Those guys look nice, you might want to give them some more lighting in the future though, as they're kinda dark.
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Thanks guys,
I agree that its a bit dark my photography is going backwards at the moment o_o
try different lamp angles next time
dodge
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They look nice (even better in real life) BUT
they're still going to get theit Buttski kicked
(Back on th site)
G
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Very nice Russian rifle regiment!
I know someone who probably would love to have them!
Are they 20mm?
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Very nice Russian rifle regiment!
I know someone who probably would love to have them!
Are they 20mm?
Thanks very much.
They are 28mm Copplestone castings White Russians.
Dodge
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Hi
Finally got round to doing the Raggeds and photographing them:
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_eONwCIOtTO8/SOnKoyOk0tI/AAAAAAAAAHI/RUk6siRFIuI/s320/Pics051008+002.jpg) (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_eONwCIOtTO8/SOnKpMheb4I/AAAAAAAAAHQ/0Gh5nt49a4g/s320/Pics051008+003.jpg)
I painted the furry hats first but thought they were a bit grimy so tried to do the others a bit lighter? ???
What do you reckon? This was just before my eyes and flesh crisis post.
So then armed with advice I took on three White Officers, the eyes well they looked a lot better before I photo'd them so more practice I think >:D
Here is the first one:
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_eONwCIOtTO8/SOnKpBFfSfI/AAAAAAAAAHY/679jw0J3HJ0/s320/Pics051008+004.jpg) (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_eONwCIOtTO8/SOnKpH5OsCI/AAAAAAAAAHg/c7x9Xwn1VyE/s320/Pics051008+005.jpg)
and the second:
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_eONwCIOtTO8/SOnKpChKypI/AAAAAAAAAHo/-P47BFu85_E/s320/Pics051008+007.jpg) (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_eONwCIOtTO8/SOnK4xxgtLI/AAAAAAAAAHw/zmd2V-4Y95o/s320/Pics051008+008.jpg)
and the final one:
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_eONwCIOtTO8/SOnK5Dfs6wI/AAAAAAAAAH4/5G_EsBQGw5o/s320/Pics051008+010.jpg) (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_eONwCIOtTO8/SOnK5fhs0xI/AAAAAAAAAIA/zDpQ_isLzu4/s320/Pics051008+012.jpg)
Hope you like them I think they are the best three I have done yet and so does the wife who is very honest with me 8) sometime too honest o_o
Some Czechs in the pipeline and then Cavalry with the never ending buildings project which has got so far but no further.
Thanks in advance for any comments and advice as normal :D
Dodge
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Definitely coming on. Getting better all the time.
Looking forward to the cavalry!
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Thanks captain I appreciate your encouragement :D
I'm looking forward to the cavalry too I enjoy painting horses for some reason ???
Dodge
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Ha! You can paint mine then! I hate painting cavalry. :)
The thread on Sikh cavalry/Bengal lancers the other day made me want to paint up a unit of Indian horse that have been sitting around for months. I got them out, looked at them, and then looked at them some more.
They are still sitting there, I haven't even started cleaning them up. I really, really want them done, but I don't want to do them. What is it with me and cavalry?
You've got a nice little force building up there, Dodge.
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Ha! You can paint mine then! I hate painting cavalry. :)
The thread on Sikh cavalry/Bengal lancers the other day made me want to paint up a unit of Indian horse that have been sitting around for months. I got them out, looked at them, and then looked at them some more.
They are still sitting there, I haven't even started cleaning them up. I really, really want them done, but I don't want to do them. What is it with me and cavalry?
You've got a nice little force building up there, Dodge.
Thanks Plynkes
They are slowly getting there, I think I need to thin down the paint some more, in the flesh they look great but then you photo them and you think hmmmm.
Once this force is done I will have an army or 2 of chinese and an army of whites with my friend Khartoum with his reds we can have some real T&T scraps.
On that front do you have that whizzy card maker link for T&T I seem to have lost it somewhere.
With horses I think its the fact that they are different from biped figures with a larger but not too large suface area, Also they are usually one colour unless you want to be really clever lol
dodge
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Looking good to me. Thats quite an impressive collection you are building up :)
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Looking good to me. Thats quite an impressive collection you are building up :)
Thanks Mal, Its getting there.
The wife is giving me grief about nearly 2 years of painting and not gaming but I'm now at that point.
Off to my friends tonight to sort that building project out a bit more. o_o
Dodge
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Brilliant white russian! Looking forward to see the cav.!
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Excellent work!
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Brilliant white russian! Looking forward to see the cav.!
Excellent work!
Thank you guys I have enjoyed this little project all in all.
The Moss colour has been a real challenge to do but overall I'm reasonably happy.
Next up will be the 10 Czechs I have in the pipeline and then the cavalry which I think will cause me some grief with the uniforms but we will see ;)
The scenery project took another small step forward last night although the gate house collapsed while drying out lol so a structural rethink required.
The formings of a T&T campaign are gathering in my mind. C'mon Dodge it must be soon now lol
Dodge
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I hate painting cavalry. :)
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What is it with me and cavalry?
I know the feeling! I think it's because its like painting 2 minis - and then still having another (the rider) to do before finishing the model.....
Nice BoBs!
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It doesn't help that these particular cavalry don't seem to want to sit on their horses properly (their fat backsides won't fit in amongst all the tranklements plonked on their horses' backs), which adds to the hassle factor and makes more work.
Consequently I still haven't touched them, and have been painting some pointy-headed 1914 Boches instead.
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Why did your gatehouse collapse?
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Nice BoBs!
Thanks Argonor I used the super star brushes you recommended. I like them.
dodge
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Why did your gatehouse collapse?
Well I've been making these buildings using blue foamcore 5mm thick and they are basically boxes with no top or bottom. Its worked on th esingle storey and the two story but this one went a bit rhomboid and fell flat even though I propped it it up. I used pva glue which has worked before.
so i think i need a base and some strengthening inside the corners but I'm not sure how to go about it.
what do you think?
All the others worked on this basis but this one was a little bigger so maybe thats it.
dodge
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Why did your gatehouse collapse?
Well I've been making these buildings using blue foamcore 5mm thick and they are basically boxes with no top or bottom. Its worked on th esingle storey and the two story but this one went a bit rhomboid and fell flat even though I propped it it up. I used pva glue which has worked before.
so i think i need a base and some strengthening inside the corners but I'm not sure how to go about it.
what do you think?
All the others worked on this basis but this one was a little bigger so maybe thats it.
dodge
Cut a triangle from an offcut and glue it into each corner to brace the model.
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Thanks Mal
Would that be at each corner in the bottom of the model near the base or at the top and the bottom?
Sorry if I'm a bit fick lol
dodge
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Thanks Mal
Would that be at each corner in the bottom of the model near the base or at the top and the bottom?
Sorry if I'm a bit fick lol
dodge
If you are basing the model then you will only need a brace possibly at the top as glueing to down onto a board will help, but it depends where you think it needs strengthening.
I pin my foamcore buildings together using ordinary dress makers pins. One at top. one in the middle and one at the bottom. They help to keep the model very rigid. I only brace the inside if its a two storey building.
Sometimes if its very long I might brace across the long walls with an extra piece of off cut.
Hope that helps.
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Most of my buildings have lift off roofs, which can weaken them compared to a glued on roof.
I use foamcore off cuts to brace the card roof.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v480/overlord_awc/LAF%20General/Demo02.jpg)
Internally I tend to use triangular section balsa in each corner. It looks a bit tidier when the roof is off but does add strength.
This building only has mounting board walls and is fine.
It also means that for 2 storey buildings if I brace to the top of the ground floor, I can rest the removeable upper floor on the balsa braces.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v480/overlord_awc/LAF%20General/Demo01.jpg)
Hope this helps a bit. :)
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Cool guys I will have a crack later on :D
Advice gratefully accepted
cheers
dodge
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Thanks for the advice Mal and overlord
used some thicker wedges on the insides. Halfway between both pieces of advice.
Result - nice firm structure which did not collapse while the pva took an age to dry.
Thank you again - you are stars ;D
Dodge
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Just completed my 10 Cech Legion from Copplestone Castings
Fairly happy with the overall result although I need to be neater with my faces.
I really didn't like my close up shots at all.
Here's a couple of group shots
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_eONwCIOtTO8/SQFpnTpaGlI/AAAAAAAAAIQ/rXZRQmyGImg/s320/czechs+1.JPG) (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_eONwCIOtTO8/SQFpm8cASpI/AAAAAAAAAII/_GgbUe0YMEI/s320/czechs+2.JPG)
Hope you like them
Have basecoated some cavalry there will be four coming soon..........
Thanks
Dodge
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Dodge
These are excellent. I've always fancied a Czech scenario/campaign. Smart troops and big armoured trains. The possibilities are endless..
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Thanks very much Ignatief.
You are right about the possibilities but these copplestone czechs are the only ones unless you convert whites a little. looking at my whites it won't take too much to do.
The thread a while back with the pictures was very inspiring, there will be more sooner or later.
Cheers again
dodge
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You´ve painted a nice force mate! ;)
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You´ve painted a nice force mate! ;)
Cheers Hazel
I've looked back at when I started this project,
I've done about 34 minis in a month and a half not too bad.
I look at at your oficer regiment with envy ;)
dodge
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very nice Dodge!
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Damn, I wish I could stick at painting and get that kind of monthly output. I'm green with envy. Good work, Dodge.
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Damn, I wish I could stick at painting and get that kind of monthly output. I'm green with envy. Good work, Dodge.
Its not always like that :-[
Just got my head down and did a bit.
starting to slow right down again now though , may do a bit more tonight and next week just depends on time and the missus, she did say I was becoming a bit too obsessed.
I don't know how you can become too obsessed with an obsession o_o
dodge
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I look at at your oficer regiment with envy ;)
dodge
Why? You can paint your own my friend!
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I look at at your oficer regiment with envy ;)
dodge
Why? You can paint your own my friend!
you are right and i'm going to,
but yours were truly great, and an inspiration to me, as soon as I saw them I was hooked on whites.
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I have finished four of these but one fell off his horse and plunged to his death, don't worry we can rebuild him ;D
The three remaining are here
what do you think, I find cavalry quite hard :?
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_eONwCIOtTO8/STWY4QD4ZDI/AAAAAAAAAJA/mZ0cQec9kgQ/s320/white+cossacks+1.JPG) (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_eONwCIOtTO8/STWY4Ek5VCI/AAAAAAAAAI4/DORGXWieAC0/s320/white+cossacks+2.JPG)
Hope you like them , thanks for looking :D
dodge
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Photos are pretty dark, so it's hard to judge the details, but the overall look is certainly appealing (and the shadows actually serve to make the pictures look very dramatic, too).
Cavalry look great on the table top, especially in a 20th Century game. But I too, hate painting the damn fellows. Still haven't started my Indian lancers. Just can't bring myself to. I'm beginning to think I'll never paint them. :(
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Thanks plynkes the photos are a bit dark but looked lighter when I took them, hey ho
I hope to see your cavalry they will be better than mine :D
dodge
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Any chance of slightly bigger pics, Dodge? :)
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I like your projekt and the Caucasian Cossacks look great so far, but please tae some bigger pics. And a group-shot of the whole force?
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OK I'll look at re doing some bigger shots tonight if I can captain and will do the whole force so far hazel
Thanks for commenting I really do appreciate it.
dodge :D
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Dodge, they are looking great, Cavalry are a nightmare to paint. Its all that horseflesh, it seems like an eternity to get them done, but once they are on the tabletop they look splendid. Your project is really taking shape. :)
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Dodge, they are looking great, Cavalry are a nightmare to paint. Its all that horseflesh, it seems like an eternity to get them done, but once they are on the tabletop they look splendid. Your project is really taking shape. :)
Thanks Mal,
Cavalry are hard
I find the riders hard because there is no firm base to stand them on and dowls or pens are tricky to get used to.
The horses are quick good to do,
I have based with scorched brown
second with bestial brown
then used either sepia wash or devlan mud depending on what you want.
i did one with chestnut ink which looked weird until it dried and looks well good.
its quite a quick and effective method.
I really need to do some gaming though, but still have buildings , forests hills rocks and fortress walls to finish and then we will be there :P
dodge
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If you want a firm base have you thought of gluing them on the horses before painting? That's what I do, and I find it much less of a hassle that way.
It feels like it should be harder, but I've always found it to be much less of a pain. Usually you need to do some filling to get the saddle and rider to join nicely anyway, and I'd hate to do that with an finished paint job and then have to get the paints out again. Better getting it over with at the start.
That's just my thoughts, feel free to ignore them (especially as I hardly ever paint horses, and keep putting them off).
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If you want a firm base have you thought of gluing them on the horses before painting? That's what I do, and I find it much less of a hassle that way.
It feels like it should be harder, but I've always found it to be much less of a pain. Usually you need to do some filling to get the saddle and rider to join nicely anyway, and I'd hate to do that with an finished paint job and then have to get the paints out again. Better getting it over with at the start.
That's just my thoughts, feel free to ignore them (especially as I hardly ever paint horses, and keep putting them off).
Thats a good idea I'll do that on my next 4 due up in the painting queue soon.
cheers plynkes
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Occasionally the riders arms, legs and such get in the way and create hard-to-reach spots, making painting slightly more challenging, but I feel the trade-off is worth it. But it's a personal thing, you have to go with what works for you. Can't hurt to give it a try, though.
I usually paint the horse first and finish off with the rider, if that's any help.
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One advantage to attaching rider and horse together first is that you get a better bond ie metal to metal.
If you paint both separately you will be bonding them paint on paint which means there is a greater chance the two will become separated at some point, careless handling accidental knock overs etc.
As Plynkes says there id the disadvantage of the hard to reach places on the figure and horse. Its a trade off as usual.
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The next four will be done that way to see how I get on, I'm using
Moss trio on the tunics
storm blue trio on the trousers
black boots
brown straps
and I'll look in the book for the shoulder boards
dodge
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Any chance of slightly bigger pics, Dodge? :)
I'd like to see that, too - judging from your Reaper highlanders, they should not lose anything by being seen close up ;)
Did you use 30, 35, or 40 mm washers for the bases? (I have an obsession with washers at the moment, just ask CB ;D )
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Did you use 30, 35, or 40 mm washers for the bases? (I have an obsession with washers at the moment, just ask CB ;D )
30mm
I bought them by accident when first buying washers for infantry and have now run out :?
for some strange reason i like the round washers for horses quite a lot.
dodge