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Miniatures Adventure => Medieval Adventures => Topic started by: Gangleri on December 05, 2014, 12:06:24 AM
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Hi, folks. Pretty new to these forums (and duly impressed by everyone's work). I thought you might be interested to see what I've been working on for the past weeks.
The battle of Stoke Field has always been near to my heart, so to speak, and I studied it in considerable depth as an undergraduate writing my thesis on the tumultuous early years of Henry VII's reign. I've been trying to 'recreate' the Earl of Lincoln's army, a fascinating polyglot force of English, Irish, and Germans that provides a pleasant mix of styles and modeling techniques. Pictures aren't the best, but that's always been a weak point of mine.
(http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o307/MrLeedra/Stoke%20Field/IMG_0932_zps2a6febf5.jpg)
(http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o307/MrLeedra/Stoke%20Field/IMG_0918_zps165b9ddc.jpg)
(http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o307/MrLeedra/Stoke%20Field/IMG_0173_zps1f8935e7.jpg)
More can be seen at my blog, though I'll post some updates here as well, time permitting.
http://stokefield.blogspot.com/
Hope you enjoy!
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Consider me impressed! Really like what you've achieved with the heraldry on the short jacks, very well accomplished! I dont know if it's just the camera, but the skin looks like it could need a wash and a highlight though - what are you planning to do with basing?
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Fantastic work on those. The heraldry looks really well done
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Interest project and nicely painted figures. Can I suggest you add a 'follow' widget to your blog.
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Coming on nicely - well done on the heraldry :-*
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Thanks to all for the encouraging comments.
I dont know if it's just the camera, but the skin looks like it could need a wash and a highlight though - what are you planning to do with basing?
The camera has something to do with it, I believe, but a few of the faces came out a bit flat. They'll all get some tidying up before I mount them to the bases. Speaking of which, I don't really have any interesting ideas for the bases yet. Any suggestions? The battle was fought in mid-June on nice firm ground, so apart from the normal green tussocks, rocks, and the ubiquitous and not very interesting spent arrows, I can't think of anything to affix.
Can I suggest you add a 'follow' widget to your blog.
Hmm, thought I did that. Thanks for the heads-up.
Billmen should be assembled soon - pics forthcoming.
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Looking good.
You could have patches of dry ground were the grass has worn thin? Could it have rained a little the night/day before? If so some small puddles perhaps? Or perhaps some flower clumps on the bases?
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Lovely stuff. Looking forward to more updates.
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Like what you have done with the spearmen
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Nice work!
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Looking forward to seeing how it develops :) Nice work on the surcoats 8)
I know the area well and have walked the area the battle may have covered a lot over the years and it is not very rocky.
I often wonder if the battle got so little coverage and was underplayed by the winning side through Henry not wanting any more attempts on his crown but by the late 1480's the Yorkist cause was truly becoming a thing of the past. It is said that Henry also dealt with the surviving rebels well after the battle but when you consider most of the Yorkist leaders were killed and eye witness accounts from the side that lost would have been thin on the ground.
Do you have a link to any sources for the Heraldry/surcoats of both sides? I have thought of having a go at eithier force or both before but have been put off through trying to track things down.
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Bravo Sir ! I like my roses white !
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Bravo Sir ! I like my roses white !
When I was about ten, I went to the annual Bosworth reenactment while visiting Leicester, where my father lived for a time, and I was strangely moved by the affection and loyalty that many of the attendees, especially the Leicesterians, felt towards the House of York.It's stayed with me ever since.
I often wonder if the battle got so little coverage and was underplayed by the winning side through Henry not wanting any more attempts on his crown but by the late 1480's the Yorkist cause was truly becoming a thing of the past. It is said that Henry also dealt with the surviving rebels well after the battle but when you consider most of the Yorkist leaders were killed and eye witness accounts from the side that lost would have been thin on the ground.
Do you have a link to any sources for the Heraldry/surcoats of both sides? I have thought of having a go at eithier force or both before but have been put off through trying to track things down.
Stoke is often called the definitive end of the WotR and the House of York, but in reality the specter of Yorkist insurrection hung over Henry's head long after 1487. It's true that after (and even by) '87 many Yorkists were dead, imprisoned, won over to the House of Tudor, or simply too tired of war to keep fighting. But those who remained caused Henry no end of worry, especially because the Yorkist cause was a magnet for anyone dissatisfied with the new king, even his own relatives (to wit, Lord Stanley,) and for any foreign power trying to assert influence over England (Warbeck had, at one point or another, the support of every important continental sovereign). So the apparent calmness of Henry's post-'87 reign is more the result of his own political cunning than of the absence of Yorkist agitation. And of course the Tudor had no way of knowing the pretenders wouldn't succeed - to him, every one was a risk and had to be treated accordingly.
As for guides to heraldry, etc., I'm afraid I don't have much to give you, because I find most of it piece-meal. If you're looking for anybody in particular, PM me, and I'll see what I can dig up.
I haven't been much in the mood for painting, so instead I did some test runs for the Archer and Billmen bases:
(http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o307/MrLeedra/Stoke%20Field/IMG_0937_zpsd8693704.jpg)
(http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o307/MrLeedra/Stoke%20Field/IMG_0939_zps868dcc8d.jpg)
(http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o307/MrLeedra/Stoke%20Field/IMG_0942_zps782c2979.jpg)
The dashing gent in the middle is the Earl of Lincoln himself.
Still quite WIP on these - hope to tidy them up and repose some of them over the weekend.
Thanks to all for the encouraging comments!
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Nice collection coming along there.
Particularly like the overarm, high thrusting bill in the first picture. Never used those arms that way before - thanks for the inspiration! (I.e. - I shall nick that! ;))
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very very good start !!!! :-*
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Looking good.
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A little update - all I could manage over the past few weeks. It's Francis Lovell, 1st Viscount Lovell, friend of Richard III and the "dogge" from the famous Tudor propaganda couplet.
(http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o307/MrLeedra/Stoke%20Field/IMG_0951_zpsae8e53d0.jpg)
Photo isn't great, but I haven't been able to take photos outside on account of the weather. The two gentlemen (Lovell and his standard bearer) you've already seen, but the rest is new. When I can eventually get my hands on the new metal standard bearer set (having a hard time find them in the States), I will give Lovell someone to bear his personal arms.
Particularly like the overarm, high thrusting bill in the first picture. Never used those arms that way before - thanks for the inspiration! (I.e. - I shall nick that! ;))
Fulsome praise indeed!
Thanks to everyone for the nice comments. More info on Lovell (and photos) at http://stokefield.blogspot.com/
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Excellent to see Lord Lovell - a loyal friend indeed. (The Tudor couplet is, if I remember correctly, "The Cat, the Rat, and Lovell the Dogge, rule all England under the Hogg - referring to Catesby, Ratcliffe, Lovell, and the Hogg is, of course, the white boar badge of Richard III)
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Was away on vacation for a little while, and then work caught up with me upon my return, so it's taken a while to do the next batch. Here's a group shot of the last dozen Englishmen I've managed to complete.
(http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o307/MrLeedra/Stoke%20Field/PA210439_zps489dace6.jpg)
Another awful photo, but I keep switching cameras and can never get the settings right.
More (and better) photos on my blog.
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What rules do you intend to use?
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Nice collection,will follow this with interest.
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Very nice work 8) 8) 8).
Talking of Stoke Field, I *think* that Michael hinted to me that there will be some Irish Galloglais and Kerns added to the Wars of the Roses/Cousins War range at some point. As I say, I *think*.
Darrell.
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On the subject of Stoke Field, where the Irish troops were noted for their lack of armour, these soon to be released Irish Kern from Claymore Castings may be of use:
(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n85/Atheling_2006/CLAYMORE%20CASTINGS%20RELEASES/DSCF00011.jpeg)
(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n85/Atheling_2006/CLAYMORE%20CASTINGS%20RELEASES/DSCF00021.jpeg)
Claymore Castings:
http://www.claymorecastings.co.uk/
I guess there's a whole discussion to be had on the equipment of many of the Irish troops at Stoke Field...... :D
Darrell.
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From what I remember of the near-contemporary sources, Molinet actually says it was the Germans (the other source in Leland's Collectanea calls them 'Duche') who suffered badly from bowfire, being only 'half-armed'... the Irish barely get a mention. The usual source used is Virgil, who tells us the Irish were unarmoured, but he was writing the 'official Tudor History' in the 1520s, so hardly unbiased nor contemporary. It's Virgil who says 2,000 Germans, while Molinet says 4-500 and Molinet was largely writing about the Low Countries as a matter of course, so I expect he knew what he was talking about.
So I wonder what troops did come from Ireland? Thomas Fitzgerald was Chancellor of Ireland, so hardly an insignificant person. The 'English Pale' round Dublin was Set up like an English county (including the requirements to practice archery etc), while Fitzgerald's estates were in Kildare. I sort of imagine him bringing over Irish bows and bills, but I cant see him bringing Kerns... there were plenty of low status Englishmen available, so why hire ships to bring over even more low-status Irishmen?
Discuss. ;)
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You make me think with every post Arlequin !
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I guess there's a whole discussion to be had on the equipment of many of the Irish troops at Stoke Field...... :D
Darrell.
[/quoteFrom what I remember of the near-contemporary sources, Molinet actually says it was the Germans (the other source in Leland's Collectanea calls them 'Duche') who suffered badly from bowfire, being only 'half-armed'... the Irish barely get a mention. The usual source used is Virgil, who tells us the Irish were unarmoured, but he was writing the 'official Tudor History' in the 1520s, so hardly unbiased nor contemporary. It's Virgil who says 2,000 Germans, while Molinet says 4-500 and Molinet was largely writing about the Low Countries as a matter of course, so I expect he knew what he was talking about.
So I wonder what troops did come from Ireland? Thomas Fitzgerald was Chancellor of Ireland, so hardly an insignificant person. The 'English Pale' round Dublin was Set up like an English county (including the requirements to practice archery etc), while Fitzgerald's estates were in Kildare. I sort of imagine him bringing over Irish bows and bills, but I cant see him bringing Kerns... there were plenty of low status Englishmen available, so why hire ships to bring over even more low-status Irishmen?
Discuss. ;)
That's what I was thinking- would they have been the more traditional Irish troop types or armoured in a similar fashion to that of the English?. I must have got confused between the German's lacking good armours and the Irish troops. Still, I reckon that the economy of England at the time would have been able to support better equipped troops then that of Ireland, but that is supposition if I'm to be honest. :D
It's a question that really hasn't been answered to any degree of satisfaction within academia, at least for me.
Darrell.
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You make me think with every post Arlequin !
My work here is done. lol
That's what I was thinking- would they have been the more traditional Irish troop types or armoured in a similar fashion to that of the English?
I can't say I know much about Ireland at the time, other than odd snippets... but presuming FitzG hired some Gallowglaich, I presume they had 'servants' (i.e. Kern) on the strength, just as seems to be the case in 1521?
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-1O9G-9hWUu4/VMPsTe93sEI/AAAAAAAATk8/x391MRiBK8U/w621-h478-no/Gallowglass_-_D%C3%BCrer.png)
I forget which source, but it mentions "those found to be English or Irish were hanged". I may be reading too much into that but I gather for most traditional Irish troop types there wouldn't be too much 'finding' involved, unless some did not look 'typically Irish' (or even English?).
Yep, I'm intrigued too... but I guess we'll never know.
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Thanks to all for the replies. Having trouble getting the quotes to stack up properly, so forgive me for not responding directly to your comments.
Here are my thoughts on the Irish at Stoke. I suspect they were much more varied in equipment and appearance that the 'traditional' assessment suggests. Doubtless there were groups of kern among them, but Sir Thomas's personal retinue and any troops raised in the Pale would surely have been more English in their style and armament. Even the wealthiest Irish, however, were somewhat behind the times, as it were. The tomb effigy of Piers Butler, 8th Earl Ormond (died 1539), has him in a distinctly old-fashioned armor, and he a well-to-do man forty years after Stoke.
http://www.askaboutireland.ie/_internal/gxml!0/m6s6aicjogoampxnh1a9dzzq7k4g1nn$g7xglwt5atx97om8iia0qeialwqa3xg (http://www.askaboutireland.ie/_internal/gxml!0/m6s6aicjogoampxnh1a9dzzq7k4g1nn$g7xglwt5atx97om8iia0qeialwqa3xg)
I also no reason not to conclude that there was a battle of Gallowglass (or perhaps more than one) present at Stoke, since Kildare made regular use of them in Ireland, and it was common practice for great families to retain Gallowglass septs, sometimes over the course of generations.
I've allotted three bases for the Irish in the army list. One will be for the 'naked Irish,' the second for a battle of Gallowglass and their 'boyes,' and the third for men drawn from the Pale. I'd planned to use mainly Claymore miniatures, with the Otterburn Scots standing in for the more regular Irish and with a few Perry Agincourt guys as well for the old-fashioned armors.
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Been quite busy with work, but I've managed to get some painting in now and again. Two bases of the English are now finished (apart from basing), and another wants only one of the new metal standard bearers (haven't been able to get a hold of them yet), which means one third of the army is nearly complete.
(http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o307/MrLeedra/Stoke%20Field/PC060444_zpsbusmtcrs.jpg)
Archers
(http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o307/MrLeedra/Stoke%20Field/PC060440_zpswsbxm7kl.jpg)
Billmen
(http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o307/MrLeedra/Stoke%20Field/PC060441_zpsqitihfmz.jpg)
Flags. There was some discussion a while back on one of Stuart's Tudor threads about flags for Richard de la Pole, and I think that with a few alterations, either/both of these would work for him. Happy to provide them upon request. The blue one is obviously adapted from one of Richard III's banners to show the close relation between Richard and Lincoln, and the other one appears to have been used commonly by John de la Pole and his sons.
More can be seen on my blog.
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Nice collection you're doing - some great poses with the plastic assemblies.
I'd like to follow you blog - but not sure if the have the function switched on to allow followers to get your updates - if you're Ok with that of course?
Otherwise I'll keep track on here.
Simon.
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Excellent job, I really like the banners and liveried men. If you wouldn't mind messaging me the banner I'd very much appreciate it.
Stuart
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Some nice poses there again. Coming on a treat :)
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What a great project! Perry's is sweet as heck, huh? :)
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Thanks to all for the encouraging comments!
I'd like to follow you blog - but not sure if the have the function switched on to allow followers to get your updates - if you're Ok with that of course?
Otherwise I'll keep track on here.
I seem to be having some difficulty with enabling followers - keep thinking I've got it set up, but it never seems to work. Is this the feature that requires Google+?
If you wouldn't mind messaging me the banner I'd very much appreciate it.
Certainly :) Do PMs permit attachments? Or should I upload to photobucket and then send links?
Currently working on Lincoln and his retainers, who should be finished within a few days.
Also, can anyone recommend a manufacturer of round bases for command stands? I was looking at Renedra, but at 1.5mm the bases are a little thin for my taste.
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warbases?
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So I wonder what troops did come from Ireland? Thomas Fitzgerald was Chancellor of Ireland, so hardly an insignificant person. The 'English Pale' round Dublin was Set up like an English county (including the requirements to practice archery etc), while Fitzgerald's estates were in Kildare. I sort of imagine him bringing over Irish bows and bills, but I cant see him bringing Kerns... there were plenty of low status Englishmen available, so why hire ships to bring over even more low-status Irishmen?
Discuss. ;)
Are you using bills as shorthand for close combat foot in general?
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Are you using bills as shorthand for close combat foot in general?
No, just the 'English-Irish' ones from the Pale itself, obviously the Anglo-Irish and Irish areas are a different story altogether and something I know very little about. As chancellor he could raise men from the Pale, but there were still the family holdings from which 'native' troops could be raised too.
Drawing a comparison (dangerous I know) but in the ECW, the 'Irish Army' bought over by the Royalists had originally been recruited in England like any other expeditionary force. While Irishmen had been recruited to fill places left by death and disease, the regiments were still largely composed of Englishmen - yet were stated as being 'Irish' in the public perception. Comments about prisoners being sifted and only 'men found to be Irish' being summarily hung, got me thinking.
So are we talking about just actual 'traditional' Irish types being bought over, or are we talking about conventional English-style "Irish" troops, or a mix of both?
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So are we talking about just actual 'traditional' Irish types being bought over, or are we talking about conventional English-style "Irish" troops, or a mix of both?
I'd hazard a mix of both. just going on the contemporary evidence that the Irish troops suffered very heavily under Oxford's archers due to lack of armours. That to me suggests that there may well have been a number of traditional Irish troops on the battlefield that day. Of course this is conjecture, but conjecture based on evidence.
I'd dig out the source if my books were with me!
Darrell.
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I may have missed it in the eyewitness accounts, but is there anything to support their being armed with bills?
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I may have missed it in the eyewitness accounts, but is there anything to support their being armed with bills?
I really can't help you with direct contemporary sources at present as almost my entire book collection is in my ex's garage.... :'(.
Hopefully soon!
Darrell.
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Time for a farmer's daughter op, i.e. dawn raid? :D
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Time for a farmer's daughter op, i.e. dawn raid? :D
You call in the airstrike lol.
Darrell.
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Nice stuff! I love your flags. Are they hand painted?
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Going off slightly at a tangent but the latest WI has a good article on WoR equipment and retinues for Lion Rampant.
I'm going to use them to fight the Battle of Ferrybridge- prequel to Towton.
All I need now is a company to produce fine quality 40mm WoR/Cousins War mini's as the game would look much better in that scale (or 54mm!! 8) )..... oh Michael.....oh Alan..... do you hear me? :)
Darrell.
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I may have missed it in the eyewitness accounts, but is there anything to support their being armed with bills?
As far as I know, "And there was slain of English, Dutch, and Irishmen 4,000" by 'the Herald' is pretty much it. Vergil adds barely any more, but he was writing in c.1512.
The Dublin Pale was organised militarily the same as any English shire and a large number of English colonists were brought in and encouraged to build 'tower houses' and organise local military forces (just like the Welsh Marches)... it wasn't called the English Pale for nothing.
Warbeck's Irish were recruited from Dublin, but what that means in terms of who and what were recruited, I couldn't say. The English would be bows and bills... the Irish whatever they carried/wore, which I have no idea of.
Going off slightly at a tangent but the latest WI has a good article on WoR equipment and retinues for Lion Rampant.
I'll have to get hold of that somehow. :?
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I'll shift my response to the force composition sticky to avoid clogging up this thread :)
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As far as I know, "And there was slain of English, Dutch, and Irishmen 4,000" by 'the Herald' is pretty much it. Vergil adds barely any more, but he was writing in c.1512.
I think you may well be correct mate but I have a niggling doubt that there were only men arrayed as they would have been in England from either the same source or another, I'm going to have to get that garage sorted.... it's a problem of access more than anything else!! Very frustrating!! >:(
The Dublin Pale was organised militarily the same as any English shire and a large number of English colonists were brought in and encouraged to build 'tower houses' and organise local military forces (just like the Welsh Marches)... it wasn't called the English Pale for nothing.
Yeah,the usual thing, as tried in Calais, Rouen, Most of Normandy (barring the marches that were in flux- HYW) etc etc. The thing is, these areas whilst producing troops for the English Crown at various points during the 14th Century, they did not always produce troops based exactly (or sometimes even near) the 'normal' English model or in ,any numbers such as when Bedford had to strip the garrisons of Normandy for the Verneuil campaign. I do concede that in the majority of cases they did succeed in producing such troops, but not always.
Warbeck's Irish were recruited from Dublin, but what that means in terms of who and what were recruited, I couldn't say. The English would be bows and bills... the Irish whatever they carried/wore, which I have no idea of.
I'll have to get hold of that somehow. :?
Indeed. Somehow is the question. I dearly wish I had access to my library!! I used to know well, the head librarian at Durham Cathedral so I had access to many items that were normally reserved for use only when one booked a session. The poor chap died a few years ago......
Darrell.
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Can't argue with any of that... indeed the Welsh and Scots Marches seem to have provided the template for both Ireland and France. I did note that Normandy and the Calais Pale were very heavily 'Anglicised' militarily, which no doubt pleased Louis XI no end when he was able to access their manpower for his own needs.
I'll shift my response to the force composition sticky to avoid clogging up this thread :)
Good call! :)
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Here is the Earl of Lincoln himself, watching with dismay as the tide of battle turns against him.
(http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o307/MrLeedra/Stoke%20Field/c57fc4e5-9795-4721-9bd3-2344f3946ed8_zpscdzxrovh.jpg)
Might be the trickiest bit of freehand I've ever done. I'm reasonably pleased, though I think the proportions of the quadrants and the charges don't hold up to close scrutiny when compared to one another.
warbases?
Just what I was looking for. Thanks!
Apropos of Irish soldiery, the first Irish will make their appearance in a few days...
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You should be chuffed with that one :)
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You should be chuffed with that one :)
Thanks!
Here is Thomas Fitzgerald of Laccagh, Lord Chancellor of Ireland 1484-87 and brother of Gerald Mór Fitzgerald, 8th Earl Kildare. He's built from one of the Perry AO standing command, with the bascinet taken off. I've tried to make him resemble the tomb effigies of roughly contemporary Irish noblemen (see here http://www.tara.tcd.ie/xmlui/bitstream/handle/2262/25789/ertk1725.jpg?sequence=1 (http://www.tara.tcd.ie/xmlui/bitstream/handle/2262/25789/ertk1725.jpg?sequence=1) and
http://www.tara.tcd.ie/bitstream/handle/2262/12021/ertk0136.jpg?sequence=1&isAllowed=y (http://www.tara.tcd.ie/bitstream/handle/2262/12021/ertk0136.jpg?sequence=1&isAllowed=y)). Note the pointed coif, the old-fashioned armor and the besagews.
(http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o307/MrLeedra/Stoke%20Field/60b08e65-5ba1-4c62-8436-cc27c5a884e3_zps2mz3gokn.jpg)
He might need a bit of work still. One thing I regret is that I have not sculpted a baldric for Sir Thomas' sword (almost universally used by the Irish in place of sword-belts), but that would have required filing off the sword-belt and resculpting the armor, which I didn't feel energetic enough to attempt).
Hope you like him.
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Very impressive work - great looking conversion!
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Sterling work, I like your commitment to this project. Give the sculpting a go, you'll be surprised at what you can achieve
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Sterling work, I like your commitment to this project. Give the sculpting a go, you'll be surprised at what you can achieve
In my case I'm hoping that your words come true Stuart ??? ??? ??? :)
EDIT: Fab conversion work- you can only get better and what you have done is certainly good enough!!
Darrell.
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I'd not looked at Irish effigies before, so thank you for the links :)
A baldric would have meant quite alot of work and I note that the seconds one has a sword belt anyway.
Good going :D
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Great-looking conversion. :)
You know the second image has the date '1637' on the inscription... so might be a case of 'being made to look like' rather than an actual medieval monument relief. So we have 'James Bermyngham' & his wife 'Ellinor Fitzwilliam' there...
I'm intrigued by the design at the bottom left too... I'm guessing its a falcon (?) seizing a popinjay, which might mean that the 'falcon' was Bermyngham's badge... and it looks like three popinjays on the coat of arms top right. So Bermyngham caught himself a popinjay. Cheeky. ;)
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Well since you're all going to push me.. >:(
(http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o307/MrLeedra/Stoke%20Field/PC240021_zpsrbntjwqx.jpg)
I jest :D I'm glad you all convinced me to do the baldric. It was a pain in the ass, and the sculpting isn't perfect, but I feel more satisfied with the miniature overall. I may go back and sharpen the edges of the baldric a bit before I paint him. He looks quite grim and businesslike, and I think he will stand out from the English men-at-arms pretty nicely.
The bannerman behind him is from the same AO set. There was less work put into him - just filling in the dags on his surcoat, adding a point to the coif, reshaping his iconic HYW helmet a bit to make it less distinctive, and most importantly grinding/filing the rolled-down hose off his calves. Those are sooooo early to mid-1400s.
You know the second image has the date '1637' on the inscription... so might be a case of 'being made to look like' rather than an actual medieval monument relief.
I hadn't noticed - thanks for pointing that out. But in truth I didn't use that one as a reference; I got the images out of books but "couldn't be bothered" to upload them :)
Also finished is the first Irish billman for the Pale base. These guys will have the same equipment as their English counterparts. The difference will mainly be one of color: drab aketons and some occasional white Fitzgerald livery rather than the relatively colorful outfits of the Englishmen.
(http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o307/MrLeedra/Stoke%20Field/PC240024_zpsqoc89xcs.jpg)
I know the red beard is a bit goofy, but I love painting red hair!
Hope to have a bit more finished over the weekend, and there are some more pics on the blog.
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I'm sure it was a pain in the *** to do, but if you're anything like me, you won't rest if you know something is not right, even if nobody else has a clue. The figures are looking great though and it should certainly be quite a unique collection when it's all done.
:)
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Peak beard! That guy's a hipster!
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Nice conversions. Well done.
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Peak beard! That guy's a hipster!
"I'm fighting for this royal dude...you've probably never heard of him."
Here are the two conversions in their finished form. All in all, quite pleased with them, and the paint seems to have hidden some of my less-than-perfect sculpting.
(http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o307/MrLeedra/Stoke%20Field/PC310029_zpskupmuuq1.jpg)
And another man for the command base, a MacDonnell gallowglass. This guy going to take a while to finish - lots more GS to add.
(http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o307/MrLeedra/Stoke%20Field/17bdf9cb-4ff9-4614-871a-920c944eb045_zpstegfarol.jpg)
Hope you like 'em.
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Very nice. Thanks for posting; I am getting a great deal of inspiration from your work.
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Very nice. Thanks for posting; I am getting a great deal of inspiration from your work.
Thanks very much :)
Here is what I've been up to in the last few days.
Here is the finished gallowglass for Fitzgerald's command base. I'm not 100% happy, but on the whole I'm pleased, and I think some careful brushwork will conceal the rough parts.
(http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o307/MrLeedra/Stoke%20Field/P1080041_zpsfwjwmjg1.jpg)
(http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o307/MrLeedra/Stoke%20Field/P1080042_zpsmdzmfkyc.jpg)
And some more handgunners, to act as skirmishers.
(http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o307/MrLeedra/Stoke%20Field/P1080039_zpsibgomugx.jpg)
I also prepped more Irish billmen. Next order of business will be to get them painted and order some Claymore Scottish spearmen to add a bit of variety.
You can see (a little bit) more on my blog.
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Excellent gallowglass sculpt.
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Great Gallowglass! Which plastic set did the head originally come from? Was it much work to sculpt the helmet?
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A wonderful project!
I'm looking forward to see your further progress.
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I've not been very productive of late, I'm afraid, but I've managed to get myself to finish a few more men.
(http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o307/MrLeedra/Stoke%20Field/P2250076_zpsksksti0v.jpg)
(http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o307/MrLeedra/Stoke%20Field/P2250077_zps4bz2cmzx.jpg)
These crossbowmen are not part of the original army list, but I was overcome by the temptation to paint pavises :D
(http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o307/MrLeedra/Stoke%20Field/P2250078_zpseurh83zi.jpg)
And Martin Schwartz himself:
(http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o307/MrLeedra/Stoke%20Field/P1270061_zpsibqed1d5.jpg)
A little more info on my blog: http://stokefield.blogspot.com/
Hope you're all enjoying the summer!
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Those conversions are wonderful :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
BTW, I don't know if it's my laptop but I cannot follow your blog- nothing to click??
Darrell.
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Splendid :)
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Thanks, gents :)
BTW, I don't know if it's my laptop but I cannot follow your blog- nothing to click??
No, I don't think it's your laptop. I've tried to set up a "follow" button a few times, but Blogger told me that doing so required that I link to a Google+ account, use my real name, etc. I'm not keen on linking accounts or being "required" to use my real identity and so didn't go through with it. If anyone knows a work-around, please let me know. It is possible to add the blog to your follow list "manually," I believe, since it has a few followers.
I realized I'd forgotten to add two more guys I finished, a standard bearer for the pike block and the MacDonnell gallowglass from a while back.
(http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o307/MrLeedra/Stoke%20Field/040ca6c2-daaf-433d-9cd4-2f70f985433f_zpspfgdb0bw.jpg)
Credit for that dark shade of madder on the standard-bearer goes to Painterman, who used it on a peasant on his Harness and Array blog and really turned me on to the color.
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Oooh, fancy! Loving this!
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Great project and really cool conversions.
Like your greenstuffing: makes well known figures to something new...
Cheers,
Don
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What a great set of figures you have created. The gallowglass is particularly grand.
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Love that gallowglass. Wish I was as talented as I want some at some point.
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Oh wow! they look great
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Cracking progress :-*
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Excellent conversions.
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Well, I'm somewhat embarrassed to say that in the tumult that followed my return from vacation I almost forgot what day it is. June 16th is the anniversary of the Battle of Stoke Field. So to commemorate the day I took a few photographs of the Yorkist army in its current state (not the best - I had to rush to catch the few minutes of sun we had). I'd say it's about 50% complete.
(http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o307/MrLeedra/Stoke%20Field/P3150232_zpsbwcano8j.jpg)
(More on the blog).
Far less that what many other members of this forum could have completed in the same length of time. But I'm pleased all the same, despite the slow progress. Needless to say, the kind comments and encouragement from all of you have helped keep me at it.
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Hello, folks.
It's been a while since the last update, but I've been slowly (read: very slowly) but steadily working on the project. Not all that many miniatures to show for my labors, but I'm very pleased with what I've produced.
(http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o307/MrLeedra/Stoke%20Field/IMG_1498_zps9zihaiax.jpg)
That's the crossbowmen, Colonel Schwartz, and a few individually based men finished.
More on my blog.
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Stunning collection - very beautiful! :-* :o :-*
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Brilliant :-* Well done
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Brilliant :-* Well done
Indeed. Really well done :-* :-* :-*
Darrell.
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Wow, some striking composition there and excellent work on the pavises, well done !
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A lovely mish-mash (in a really good way) :)
They look a proper rag-bag mercenary rabble.
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A lovely mish-mash (in a really good way) :)
They look a proper rag-bag mercenary rabble.
I'm not so sure that Mercenaries would have been such a rag-bag mercenary rabble.
No more than the other soldiery that's for sure and likely to be better off and subject to the latest military fashions too.
Still, to take nothing away from the painting and modelling, these are beautifully done and they will look fantastic on the table top 8) 8) 8)
Darrell.
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Lovely figures.
I've always been interested in Col. Schwarz - what source do you have for the flags/livery colours?
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Thanks for all the kind words. You're all making me blush a bit :D Seriously, I'd run out of steam on this project, so your flattering remarks are a nice pick-me-up.
No more than the other soldiery that's for sure and likely to be better off and subject to the latest military fashions too.
Yes, I agree. I've tried to make them look a bit sharper and more uniform than the English - they all have at least a little of the Schwartz livery somewhere on their persons.
Speaking of which:
I've always been interested in Col. Schwarz - what source do you have for the flags/livery colours?
I don't have a source, actually. I was unable to find any information on this topic, and so all of the colors/designs are basically my own invention, though grounded whenever possible in fact.
Black seemed like a natural choice for a man named Schwartz- this kind of heraldic punning was common, especially for "newly arrived" men (the white is there as a complement). The red saltire is a reference to Margaret of Burgundy, who hired Schwartz for the expedition, and also matches the red Fitzgerald saltire that will appear on some of the Irish troops. In addition, in the next century Landsknechts distinguished themselves from their Swiss rivals by slashing their garments with saltires instead of the Swiss cross, and the saltire is a little nod to the founding of the first Landsknecht regiments in 1487, the same year as Stoke Field. There are a few yellow/black designs here and there as well, a reference to Schwartz's Imperial service. His personal flag with the shoe is a variant on the arms of the Shoemakers' Guild (Schwartz's father was a shoemaker), and there are a few heraldic references to Augsburg, Schwartz's home city.
I'm working on the last English banners now and hope to have something to show you all in a few days' time.
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I'm not so sure that Mercenaries would have been such a <rag bag mercenary rabble> No more than the other soldiery that's for sure and likely to be better off and subject to the latest military fashions too.
Darrell.
I stand corrected ;)
I didn't mean rag-bag as in ill-equipped or tatty - I meant variegated :)
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Lovely work, a very impressive bunch! 8)
I've no idea about colours or heraldry, but Schwartz was not new on the scene. He had fought for Charles the Bold in 1475 and went into the service of Archduke Max after 1477. Schwartz carried Max's sword of state when he claimed his deceased wife's possessions in 1482. He took part in the assaults on the rebel towns of Alost and Nineveh at the head of Swiss and German mercenaries, and was with Max when Ghent surrendered in 1486. This was a man a bit more than a 'cobbler from Ausburg' turned soldier, but a seasoned professional and in almost continual employment over a twelve year period.
'Colonel' is a term applied later, it didn't exist back in 1487, unlike Oberst which did.
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Here's the Earl of Lincoln, along with Lord Scrope of Masham. I like to think Masham is just bringing Lincoln word of the arrival of the Royalist van.
(http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o307/MrLeedra/Stoke%20Field/IMG_1502_zpsykmfjek9.jpg)
Lovely work, a very impressive bunch! 8)
Thank you!
Schwartz was not new on the scene.
When, in my previous post, I called Schwartz "newly arrived," I was referring to his "heraldry," not to his military record. Perhaps "self-made" would have been more precise. The fact is that, having risen from a middling background to a position of some clout, he was probably able to select his own livery and emblems, and it seems reasonable that he might have punned his colors or badges on his name, as was common among newly ennobled men. I hesitate to use the word "heraldry" in this case, since he was not to my knowledge properly armigerous, not having been knighted, but he was well-known and presumably wealthy enough to select a "uniform" of his own design.
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Ah, I get you now... and yes it was common for 'heraldic' puns to be made with regard to badges and liveries etc. With 'black' featuring in mercenary circles quite a bit, I might bet a small amount of money that Schwartz would use black somewhere too.
By coincidence the de la Poles were originally wool merchants a couple of generations back too.
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Scrope to Masham!
(Sorry, I can never say any of these names without the echoes of 'Kingmaker' sounding in my head :))
Lovely command stand Gangleri, well done :-*
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Ah, I get you now... and yes it was common for 'heraldic' puns to be made with regard to badges and liveries etc. With 'black' featuring in mercenary circles quite a bit, I might bet a small amount of money that Schwartz would use black somewhere too.
Yes, I was thinking of that too :) I wonder if anyone has ever counted how many different "Black Bands" there were. But surely none of them could have punned (or canted, I suppose) as fittingly as Schwartz.
By coincidence the de la Poles were originally wool merchants a couple of generations back too.
It's funny, one of my favorite badges from this time is Lord Hastings' maunch, and I was always sorry I couldn't work it into the army somehow. Do you know how it came to be attached to Hastings? Was it through the cloth trade? His father was a knight, but I couldn't find out if there was any link to the trade somewhere along the line.
Scrope to Masham!
(Sorry, I can never say any of these names without the echoes of 'Kingmaker' sounding in my head :))
Lovely command stand Gangleri, well done :-*
Thanks very much, Captain. It's funny, I can't help but hear "Scrope of Masham" in Brian Blessed's voice :)
"I arrest thee of high treason by the name of Henry, Lord Scope of Masham!" *yank *slap
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It's funny, one of my favorite badges from this time is Lord Hastings' maunch, and I was always sorry I couldn't work it into the army somehow. Do you know how it came to be attached to Hastings? Was it through the cloth trade? His father was a knight, but I couldn't find out if there was any link to the trade somewhere along the line.
The maunch was a detachable sleeve from a lady's dress and films like Ivanhoe to the contrary, it would be one of these that a lady would give to 'her champion' to tie on his arm in a tournament, not a handkerchief (though where I come from sleeves and handkerchiefs are pretty much the same thing). So no obvious link to trade, but I'd imagine the family made money from sheep at a distance.
The Hastings family got about, they started off in Falaise with William 'the Marshal' de Venoix, whose son was bailiff of Hastings, from which the family name derives. The first 'noble' member of the family (Henry de Hastings) was created baron by Simon de Montfort... although apparently that 'did not count' officially. Nevertheless his mother was one of King David of Scotland's daughters (and her mother Matilda of Chester was a cousin of Henry I), so they weren't commoners by any means before then. They are connected with various places round the Midlands, so while they never rose to earldoms until 'Our William', they were pretty damn wealthy for all that... and probably owned a lot of sheep.
Fitzalan to Chirk! Kingmaker - Best board game ever! :D
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Fitzalan to Chirk! Kingmaker - Best board game ever! :D
:)
Aye.
(Unless you were Warden of the Northern Marches, when you never got to do anything for being constantly summoned!)
Thanks very much, Captain. It's funny, I can't help but hear "Scrope of Masham" in Brian Blessed's voice :)
"I arrest thee of high treason by the name of Henry, Lord Scope of Masham!" *yank *slap
lol
'Chiswick! Fresh horses!'
Still the best of the Blackadders for me :)
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I am pleased to present for your viewing pleasure the English contingent of the Yorkist army!
(http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o307/MrLeedra/Stoke%20Field/IMG_1510_zpsorv3zwzp.jpg)
(http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o307/MrLeedra/Stoke%20Field/IMG_1509_zpstl3kli97.jpg)
(http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o307/MrLeedra/Stoke%20Field/IMG_1508_zpsgipaohie.jpg)
This third of the army is now complete. Well, as complete as these projects can get - I already have plans to add a few scurrers. Next on the list are the Germans - only about ten of them to convert/paint before I can put them on parade as well.
I don't want to overdo this post with photos, but there are a few more shots of the individual bases on my blog.
Hope they are to your liking.
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An impressive array you have there, well done! :)
I don't want to overdo this post with photos...
No, you've lost me there... I'm not getting what you mean. What does 'overdo with photos' mean? :D
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An impressive array you have there, well done! :)
They do look great :-* :-* :-*
Darrell.
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Hello, folks. I caught my yearly cold this past weekend, but a liberal internal application of hot whiskey gave me a boost of energy, and I was able to paint another pavise-toting crossbowman (my last pavise for a while, sadly).
(http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o307/MrLeedra/Stoke%20Field/IMG_1520_zpswymvgyd4.jpg)
The design is copied largely from a Bohemian pavise featuring Venus displaying her goods:
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/49/c2/f6/49c2f6e157dab7faa0528adb5cb19d78.jpg
Also, did some rather crude GS work on the next batch of pikemen and hope to get some paint on them soon as well.
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Excellent stuff, love this thread !
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Your execution on the pavise is excellent (and on such a small "canvas").
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ThePavise is very nice freehand indeed
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Well, it's been about a year since I started this plog, and to commemorate the approximate anniversary, I can present to you the finished German contingent:
(http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o307/MrLeedra/Stoke%20Field/IMG_1614_zpslq1eq4q9.jpg)
The centerpiece is of course the pike block.
(http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o307/MrLeedra/Stoke%20Field/IMG_1616_zpsr6wonvqf.jpg)
I tried to make it look as though the men were just getting the order to lower their pikes as they advanced towards the Royalist van.
(http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o307/MrLeedra/Stoke%20Field/IMG_1619_zpsvhztvdn2.jpg)
I must say I am very relieved at not having to paint another pikeshaft. :D
And here's the army all together. Not the best picture but whatever.
(http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o307/MrLeedra/Stoke%20Field/IMG_1620_zpst1f6eshj.jpg)
Next up are the Irish. The Galloglass and the men from the Pale will be on hold until the Prery French infantry kit comes out, but I hope to begin the kern shortly.
A few more photos on my blog.
Cheers!
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The 'German' contingent is looking every bit as good as the English contingent :-* :-* :-*
Darrell.
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:-* :-* :-* :-*
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That is one very nice looking army!!
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Thanks very much for the compliments, all.
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Hello,
Very nice army !!! :-*
Nikko
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Hi, folks. Been ages since I've posted anything, but I haven't been completely idle over the past months and have managed to knock a few more men together for this project.
Here's another German man-at-arms:
(http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o307/MrLeedra/Stoke%20Field/IMG_0528_zpsqf2clbje.jpg)
Two Yorkists, one with a de la Pole banner and the other with an unusual Yorkist badge I saw on some reenactors' outfits, who will go on with the Irish contingent:
(http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o307/MrLeedra/Stoke%20Field/IMG_0529_zps8kytah58.jpg)
The "command" of the whole army, at least in name. The Earl of Warwick's banner, a piper, and a Burgundian retainer, dispatched by Duchess Margaret to guard the "young prince" (saltire on the pennon and flint-and-steel on the scabard not quite visible from this angle). Not present, of course, is Simnel/Warwick (see below).
(http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o307/MrLeedra/Stoke%20Field/IMG_0527_zpsue1wipsg.jpg)
Now I must ask for your advice. Where do you all think I might find a miniature for Simnel? I don't know of any suitable children in 28mm and tried sculpting him from scratch without much success. I also looked for adult civilians in 15-18mm but don't know much about those ranges. Your suggestions are much appreciated.
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very nice indeed ! Sorry can't help with your question
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Where do you all think I might find a miniature for Simnel?
http://www.hfminis.co.uk/shop?product=medieval-kids~hfh044&category=fantasy-%26%0D%0Asteampunk~fantasy-humans
http://www.grippingbeast.co.uk/SSC07_Children_4--product--5367.html
http://www.dixon-minis.com/shop/vikings-28mm/VKV2/
https://www.reapermini.com/OnlineStore/children/sku-down/03233
http://www.irregularminiatures.co.uk/
(Miscellaneous Figures) has a few children also
hope this is of some help
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I would be really surprised if Simnel did not have his own bespoke kiddie-armour in the (Flemish) style of the time; they did make child size armour, you'll often see it in stately homes and is one of the reasons why the myth of 'people back then were way smaller' began. Of course nothing would stop an usurpation quicker than having your pretender transfixed by a stray missile either.
I would look for a good '25mm' or at worst a '20mm' fully-armoured figure maybe?
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There's a Partizan show-exclusive miniature of Lambert himself:
http://www.miniatures-workshop.com/lostminiswiki/index.php?title=Image:NIP31.jpg (http://www.miniatures-workshop.com/lostminiswiki/index.php?title=Image:NIP31.jpg)
Yeah, I think that's a cooking pot on his head...
Drop me a PM if you'd like him.
You should drop Wargames Foundry an email about this project too - the Ansells now own Stoke Hall!
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Wonderful project!
Stoke Field was my interest as well when I still had WOTR minis, so it's great to have read whole thread and follow your future progress with this.
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very nice indeed !
Thank you!
http://www.hfminis.co.uk/shop?product=medieval-kids~hfh044&category=fantasy-%26%0D%0Asteampunk~fantasy-humans
http://www.grippingbeast.co.uk/SSC07_Children_4--product--5367.html
http://www.dixon-minis.com/shop/vikings-28mm/VKV2/
https://www.reapermini.com/OnlineStore/children/sku-down/03233
http://www.irregularminiatures.co.uk/
(Miscellaneous Figures) has a few children also
hope this is of some help
Very nice of you to provide so many links. Seems like many of those children are from earlier centuries, but if I can't find another way, I suppose I could convert one of them.
I would be really surprised if Simnel did not have his own bespoke kiddie-armour in the (Flemish) style of the time; they did make child size armour, you'll often see it in stately homes and is one of the reasons why the myth of 'people back then were way smaller' began. Of course nothing would stop an usurpation quicker than having your pretender transfixed by a stray missile either.
I would look for a good '25mm' or at worst a '20mm' fully-armoured figure maybe?
This is an excellent idea, and I totally overlooked it (perhaps because I was somehow never much interested in children's armor). Not only does it make good sense, it probably offers the largest choice of miniatures. I was not aware that child-armors gave rise to the "short medieval man" myth, though. Very interesting.
There's a Partizan show-exclusive miniature of Lambert himself:
http://www.miniatures-workshop.com/lostminiswiki/index.php?title=Image:NIP31.jpg (http://www.miniatures-workshop.com/lostminiswiki/index.php?title=Image:NIP31.jpg)
Yeah, I think that's a cooking pot on his head...
Drop me a PM if you'd like him.
You should drop Wargames Foundry an email about this project too - the Ansells now own Stoke Hall!
That Simnel made me chuckle :) not sure he's quite what I'm looking for, though. As for Foundry, I had hoped to visit Stoke Hall when I was in England over the summer, in part to let them know about my project, but it didn't work out. Perhaps I'll e-mail them yet.
Wonderful project!
Stoke Field was my interest as well when I still had WOTR minis, so it's great to have read whole thread and follow your future progress with this.
Glad to hear you enjoyed it. I hope to have some more to present soon.
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Very nice army. I especially like the coversions and shields' patterns. Cheers!
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Hello again, folks. Work continues (slowly) on this project, hampered by limited funds and time and the distraction of other projects. I've recently finished the first Irish contingent, composed of men drawn from the Pale.
(http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o307/MrLeedra/Stoke%20Field/IMG_0685_zpskkmjfunv.jpg)
They're a mix of WotR and HYW plastics, trying to achieve a somewhat distinctive look that reflects the basically English character of these men with the inevitable presence of certain Irish features, in particular the aketons and somewhat older armor styles. From right to left are Fitzgerald retainers with the red saltires; then men from the city of Dublin (strongly Yorkist in sympathy); then retainers of the Archbishop of Dublin; then a contingent sent by Rowland Fitzeustance, Baron Portlester; and finally William D'arcy of Platten, friend to the Earl of Kildare, who was an immensely large man (unfortunately my version is only average-sized) said to have carried young Simnel on his shoulders through Dublin's streets.
(http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o307/MrLeedra/Stoke%20Field/IMG_0688_zpsuygsh7v9.jpg)
And a slightly bleached shot of the banners and arms. In the foreground is Portlester's standard, which I tried to mount on a more complex frame, with mixed results. Behind that is a speculative (read: made-up) banner for Dublin, feature St. Laurence O'Toole and my guess at what the arms of Dublin might have been at the time. Dublin's current arms (three burning castles) evolved from a besieged, three-towered castle found on seals from the end of the 13th century, and my version is meant to be a transitional phase between the two.
I think my next step will be to start on the kern who will make up the bulk of the Irish force. It will probably be a few weeks' time before they'll be ready, though.
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Great to see you sticking with it :)
Some projects are for the long haul... ::) 8)
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Fabulous project!
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Interesting project :)
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A lovely collection of miniatures you have created.
Have you ever been to The Foundry at Stoke Hall?
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Thanks for your comments, everyone.
Have you ever been to The Foundry at Stoke Hall?
Sadly, I have not. I had hoped to visit them when I crossed the pond last summer, but it didn't work out. I was thinking about sending them photos of the army when I complete it, though I'm not sure they'd be entirely pleased to be shown a project that has so few of their own miniatures in it.
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I've just finished the test model for the kern who will accompany the army - the "naked Irish" who suffered so terribly during (and after) the battle. I had long been both enthusiastic and daunted by the prospect of having to convert the kern for this project, and I'm very pleased with the first effort, so here are some hasty photographs.
(http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o307/MrLeedra/Stoke%20Field/IMG_0786_zpsmlvkojpf.jpg)
(http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o307/MrLeedra/Stoke%20Field/IMG_0787_zpskspklcov.jpg)
There will be plenty of variety in arms and dress, but for the first kern I went with the "classic" look of the leine, short coat (the Irish name escapes me at the moment), glib bangs and mustache, and glaive. The sleeves of the leine were a nightmare. The base is of course a Perry Mahdist, and the arms are from the Bows and Bills set. I see in the second picture there's a rough patch by the shoulder which will have to be sorted out.
And for good measure, here is a gallowglass. Most of the gallowglass (and some of the kern) will be Claymore Castings, but this one is built from the French infantry kit, with an Irish scabbard.
(http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o307/MrLeedra/Stoke%20Field/IMG_0788_zps9qaghysx.jpg)
(http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o307/MrLeedra/Stoke%20Field/IMG_0789_zpsd8g1rmq3.jpg)
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Excellent work.
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Nice work on the conversions,love the first one :-*
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Lovely kitbashing and green stuffery 8)
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Excellent conversions. I was looking for some ideas for the Irish at Mortimers Cross so am keen to see what can be done.
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very good figures
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I'm really pleased that you all like the conversions, especially the first one (the gallowglass came out rather more static than I'd planned). I too like him quite a bit and couldn't keep from painting him right away.
(http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o307/MrLeedra/Stoke%20Field/IMG_0796_zpszfjaylbg.jpg)
The designs on the coat are taken from an Angus McBride illustration from the Osprey book on Henry VIII's armies.
(http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o307/MrLeedra/Stoke%20Field/IMG_0790_zpso3tkmko7.jpg)
This gives a better idea of the colors. The Irish were quite a colorful bunch, really, with coats in a variety of colors and patterns and the leine surprisingly yellow.
I'm working on the next kern as well, who will look rather different.
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Nifty :-*
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Very nice conversion and paint job.
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I like him!
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nice painting
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Very nice! I'm doing Stoke myself but I don't have your sculpting skills so I've just gone with Claymore Castings for the Irish. The Gallowglass in particular looks very good.
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Really impressed with the way the kern turned out, looking forward to seeing more of them.
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Nice paint job on the Kern :)
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Just a quick question but the where is the figure on the front right corner of the mercenary pike block from? He has a sword and is holding his helmet onto his head.
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Thank you all for your kind words!
I've just gone with Claymore Castings for the Irish.
Hah, that seems like an awfully good idea to me at this point! All these damn loose sleeves...
Just a quick question but the where is the figure on the front right corner of the mercenary pike block from? He has a sword and is holding his helmet onto his head.
That is a Foundry Swiss officer. They're wonderful, and in retrospect I wish I'd used more, since with little alteration they make fine Germans.
Got two more kern on the go, but I'm having a bit of GS fatigue at the moment, so it might take a few days for me to post them.
Cheers!
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Hello again,
Here are the next two Irish:
(http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o307/MrLeedra/Stoke%20Field/IMG_0825_zpskqyda0ci.jpg)
On the left is a "dartman" carrying several of the light throwing spears that were so popular in Ireland (I still have to make the spearheads). He's meant to be a quite young fellow. On the right is an older, more important warrior. He's distinguished not only by his helmet and axe but also his shoes. I've almost run out of paired arms to hold two-handed weapons, so these are repurposed from the handgunner arms. I see several imperfections in the photo, but I've already started painting these two and don't know whether I will bother fixing them.
Cheers!
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Looks like good work to me.*thumbs up* Close up photos always point out little errors you wouldn't notice otherwise.
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They're brilliant, those Ansar are great dollies aren't they - the forthcoming Zulus should be useful too.
Nice clean lines and folds, they'll paint up really well.
Stuart
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Finished another group that's been sitting around incomplete for a long time, Fitzgerald of Laccagh, commander of the Irish contingent.
(http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o307/MrLeedra/Stoke%20Field/IMG_0966_zps02rxndcx.jpg)
(http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o307/MrLeedra/Stoke%20Field/IMG_0967_zpsoonhnixs.jpg)
I was originally going to add a Claymore Irish chieftain but decided instead to put a more fashionable-looking trumpeter in his place.
those Ansar are great dollies aren't they - the forthcoming Zulus should be useful too.
Yes, they're really good for this purpose. Good point about the Zulus, hadn't occurred to me.
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Gangleri, that's a GREAT project, and the conversions are top notch, CONGRATULATIONS! :-*
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Fantastic command group! The Fitzgerald conversion looks really good as does the Gallowglass! I'm off to Foundry's Stoke Field anniversary event this weekend and these have really put me in the mood for it.
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I'm off to Foundry's Stoke Field anniversary event this weekend and these have really put me in the mood for it.
Wow, that sounds great. If you've got any photographs to share, feel free to post them here.
Gangleri, that's a GREAT project, and the conversions are top notch, CONGRATULATIONS! :-*
Thanks very much!
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Hey Gangleri, just a few photos from Saturday's commemoration event; a few pikemen, some combat, the Irish and then a couple of the reenactors who accompanied us on the tour, standing at the front of the Yorkist positions on the hill.
(http://i939.photobucket.com/albums/ad234/rivers3162/6_zpsruyghxfa.jpg) (http://s939.photobucket.com/user/rivers3162/media/6_zpsruyghxfa.jpg.html)
(http://i939.photobucket.com/albums/ad234/rivers3162/10_zpsvhduwawn.jpg) (http://s939.photobucket.com/user/rivers3162/media/10_zpsvhduwawn.jpg.html)
(http://i939.photobucket.com/albums/ad234/rivers3162/15_zpsbrc32gpp.jpg) (http://s939.photobucket.com/user/rivers3162/media/15_zpsbrc32gpp.jpg.html)
(http://i939.photobucket.com/albums/ad234/rivers3162/21_zpspcbhe6qp.jpg) (http://s939.photobucket.com/user/rivers3162/media/21_zpspcbhe6qp.jpg.html)
I had a fantastic time - all the reenactors were very friendly and keen to chat about their gear, the battle and the Wars of the Roses in general. The guided tour of the battlefield was good too, especially given how little is known about the battle itself.
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Very nice 1:1 scale miniatures! ;D
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Very nice 1:1 scale miniatures! ;D
Hahaha
Hey Gangleri, just a few photos from Saturday's commemoration event; a few pikemen, some combat, the Irish and then a couple of the reenactors who accompanied us on the tour, standing at the front of the Yorkist positions on the hill.
Very nice, thanks for sharing them. Those combatants look awfully cheerful, though! Seems like it must have been an enjoyable event. I am reminded by the photos that I should have added more bends to the English contingent.
I'm slowly working on the kern, hope to have a few more to show soon.
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Look forward to seeing how they turn out! I'm hoping the Perry twins will do a few packs of Irish soon (maybe even some more characters for Simnel, Lincoln, Lovell etc.).
I was struck by how much the 'dying' Gallowglass at the event looked like the conversion you did on the left of Fitzgerald! Think you pretty much nailed it!
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Hello, everyone. Longtime absence from this plog. The wind went out of my sails for a while, but in the past month or two I've been getting back into it, and I have a few updates. Work continues on the Irish, who are the main part of the army still to be completed. I've also decided to add a few vignettes for flavor, one for each nationality present at the battle.
(http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o307/MrLeedra/Stoke%20Field/IMG_2811_zpsu3bbbd4d.jpg)
Some Englishmen taking absolution before the fight. Kneeling is a Lovell retainer in the distinctive vairy. Also a Scrope bannerman and a spare gallowglass converted from the HYW French plastics (not that thrilled with him).
(http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o307/MrLeedra/Stoke%20Field/IMG_2825_zps63ycabxi.jpg)
The Irish vignette, which I'm very pleased with. At this time the "wild" Irish still seem to have collected the heads of their enemies. There were a number of skirmishes and small actions in the weeks leading up to Stoke in which the Yorkists came off quite well. I imagine that the chieftain is showing off the trophies of war to a curious soldier.
(http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o307/MrLeedra/Stoke%20Field/IMG_2827_zpsnod3qw66.jpg)
(http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o307/MrLeedra/Stoke%20Field/IMG_2829_zpsuqbkizfp.jpg)
I hope to have more to show you all in a little while. C&C welcome. The project lives on!
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Hurray! He’s back on it :)
Those are lovely vignettes :-*
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Very cool.
The jacket on the standard bearer is a bit special!
I’m not sure if a head on a stick counts as a standard but you know which figure I mean.
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It's ahead of their opponents for sure.
Good to see this project off the backburner. :)
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Really really great vignettes :-*
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Thanks very much to all. Feels good to be back at this project, and I have got a few things on the go I hope to show to you soon.
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Only recently found this thread, I'm really impressed with your work here, especially on the vignettes!
Did you find a stand-in model for our good friend Lambert Simnel? If not, as a suggestion, not sure if the "Scouring of the Shire" Hobbits might work as a base for a child-sized mounted figure in 28/25mm scale
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Only recently found this thread, I'm really impressed with your work here, especially on the vignettes!
Did you find a stand-in model for our good friend Lambert Simnel? If not, as a suggestion, not sure if the "Scouring of the Shire" Hobbits might work as a base for a child-sized mounted figure in 28/25mm scale
Thank you very much. I am still looking for a Simnel. Arlequin gave a good suggestion some months ago of using a 15-20mm knight to represent him in children's armor, but I have yet to find one that is era-appropriate. I was even thinking of sculpting one - an idea that never got beyond the face. Hobbits are an interesting idea. I've been meaning to get some anyway, and when I do I will see if one can be converted.
At the moment I'm not working on a base, just paiting the lead that I have in the pile. Eventually when I have enough Irish I will start building the bases: one of kern, one of galloglass, and some skirmishers.
(https://beta-static.photobucket.com/images/o307/MrLeedra/2/b92fc39f-432c-4ea5-adbe-60745b75437a-original.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds)
(https://beta-static.photobucket.com/images/o307/MrLeedra/2/6c1d7dab-c63f-4678-9f84-b832eab3540e-original.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds)
Some more men-at-arms who will be worked into a "reserve" base intended to use up my spare WotR miniatures.
And a bit of a diversion... HYW. Over the past months I've been painting these as a gift for my young nephew in California.
The English
(https://beta-static.photobucket.com/images/o307/MrLeedra/Stoke%20Field/IMG_2724_zpszfykw1lk.jpg)
(https://beta-static.photobucket.com/images/o307/MrLeedra/Stoke%20Field/IMG_2789_zps3giyrxke.jpg)
The French
(https://beta-static.photobucket.com/images/o307/MrLeedra/Stoke%20Field/IMG_2727_zps5c1djd5f.jpg)
(https://beta-static.photobucket.com/images/o307/MrLeedra/Stoke%20Field/IMG_2792_zpsfe44azyh.jpg)
(https://beta-static.photobucket.com/images/o307/MrLeedra/Stoke%20Field/IMG_2791_zpswbess3p6.jpg)
I speed-painted these, and some of them are sloppier than I prefer, but I'm fairly happy with the heraldry. I've been told that he likes them very much, but to my horror I also was told that he "doesn't know how to play with them and no one here can show him."
More to follow, and thanks for all your encouragement.
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Sloppy though they may be they look great. I like the pattern on the coat of the fellow pointing in the last picture.
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Good work Gangleri. Love the heraldry. Top job 8)
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Been working on a Christmas present for my nephew, HYW stuff again. Here it is.
French
(https://beta-static.photobucket.com/images/o307/MrLeedra/2/fc89e5e3-01a3-4812-8451-97a78f3a7f96-original.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds)
More French
(https://beta-static.photobucket.com/images/o307/MrLeedra/2/6f64e068-9afa-43f5-ad08-87b0bac2892e-original.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds)
English
(https://beta-static.photobucket.com/images/o307/MrLeedra/2/592108cf-8a92-474f-87ba-a3bb4f6f5eb5-original.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds)
Now as for the Stoke Field project, this is the German vignette WIP. Been in the works for a long time because I couldn't get my hands on a suitable barrel until recently.
(https://beta-static.photobucket.com/images/o307/MrLeedra/2/398f57fd-c831-4f10-ab7b-f727b6c40f02-original.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds)
Picture isn't the best, but it's a few Continental mercenaries having a chat around the beer keg. Hope to have it painted soon.
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That’s a great looking vignette. Nice modelling.
And I love the fact you’ve dropped Robin Hood into your HYW English force lol
I hope your nephew appreciates it :)
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That’s a great looking vignette. Nice modelling.
And I love the fact you’ve dropped Robin Hood into your HYW English force lol
I hope your nephew appreciates it :)
Thanks very much for the kind words :)
Here is the finished vignette
(https://beta-static.photobucket.com/images/o307/MrLeedra/2/bb237a7e-e28f-403e-b2b3-b52a1382d469-original.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds)
The pavise is copied from a tournament shield I saw in the Metropolitan Museum of Art. The text on the original reads, in Mittelhochdeutsch, something like "Although I am the most hated of birds, I am quite content with it," the owl being taken as a bad omen at the time.
(https://beta-static.photobucket.com/images/o307/MrLeedra/2/d9064f9d-e98e-4a15-bc84-b5dbace614ad-original.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds)
The men are enjoying some beakers of beer from the barrel before the fighting. On the barrelhead is a pack of cards, with a king taken from the Flanders Hunting Deck, which dates from around that time, though I forgot to make the cards oval rather than rectangular.
(https://beta-static.photobucket.com/images/o307/MrLeedra/2/44ad1188-65d4-4926-92f8-ae3421136451-original.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds)
"Oh yeah? Well last weekend I caught a fish this big."
Some imperfections are apparent in the photos which I have since corrected.
Now on to more Irish.
Happy New Year to all.
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Absolutely magnificent!! The attention to detail is amazing :-*
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That vignette is marvelous, simply full of character and period detail.
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That vignette is marvelous, simply full of character and period detail.
Thank you!
Absolutely magnificent!! The attention to detail is amazing :-*
Many thanks.
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Gangleri,
I've followed your project for ages its excellent and still gets better. Your kitbash Irish were an inspiration for me to try my hand at some gallowglass with GMhttp://28mmtowton.blogspot.com/2018/06/scottish-mercanaries-wip.html (http://28mmtowton.blogspot.com/2018/06/scottish-mercanaries-wip.html). (https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-fyVUL1QinyM/WzKxootONyI/AAAAAAAAAPs/UwBnw42F5ioBxiT3EknL4S5zYFQZP8zNQCLcBGAs/s1600/IMG-20180626-WA0008.jpg)
(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-6CeQGF6vi-M/WzFcjnvO-oI/AAAAAAAAAPA/Wav5JBIyEWI-9hwJRy4eXa1kgo5l3Sh0QCEwYBhgL/s1600/IMG-20180502-WA0000.jpg)
Nearly done and I'll post on the forum when they are. Im halfway through making Lord Dacre's fateful and possibly apocryphal pause for a drink a Towton, but I fear your Germans surpass my efforts. Keep up the good work.
Stuart
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Nice work on perrys! Clap clap
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Gangleri,
I've followed your project for ages its excellent and still gets better. Your kitbash Irish were an inspiration for me to try my hand at some gallowglass with GMhttp://28mmtowton.blogspot.com/2018/06/scottish-mercanaries-wip.html (http://28mmtowton.blogspot.com/2018/06/scottish-mercanaries-wip.html). (https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-fyVUL1QinyM/WzKxootONyI/AAAAAAAAAPs/UwBnw42F5ioBxiT3EknL4S5zYFQZP8zNQCLcBGAs/s1600/IMG-20180626-WA0008.jpg)
(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-6CeQGF6vi-M/WzFcjnvO-oI/AAAAAAAAAPA/Wav5JBIyEWI-9hwJRy4eXa1kgo5l3Sh0QCEwYBhgL/s1600/IMG-20180502-WA0000.jpg)
Nearly done and I'll post on the forum when they are. Im halfway through making Lord Dacre's fateful and possibly apocryphal pause for a drink a Towton, but I fear your Germans surpass my efforts. Keep up the good work.
Stuart
Stuart, thanks for your kind words. Your conversions are very clever as well. The French HYW set is quite versatile, and as various projects have shown the Ansar kit is a wonderful source of parts. The finished Scots I saw on your blog are great, and I hope you will post some of your work on LAF for everyone to enjoy.
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Excellent work on these. Your forces must look splendid arrayed for battle at this point. :o
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Hello, all. Another long break, but I am still working at this project.
This the command stand for Lambert Simnel.
(https://beta-static.photobucket.com/images/o307/MrLeedra/2/b7f99801-a828-4054-a7ab-52f2f949e345-original.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds)
He is surveying the events of the battle, with a Burgundian bodyguard provided by the Dowarger Duchess Margaret pointing out the developments. In the back, Richard Symonds, the spider at the center of the whole web of 1487, stands with his eyes downcast in false humility.
(https://beta-static.photobucket.com/images/o307/MrLeedra/2/c680e6e4-5832-48a8-8543-3f549cc5f185-original.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds)
For a long time I struggled to decide how to represent Simnel, but months ago Arlequin suggested I use a 15-20mm knight to show the boy in armor. It took a while longer to find a decent and suitable knight. This one is from Irregular Miniatures' fantasy range - Men of Splendour, I think it's called. I cut off the head and sculpted my own, which was very difficult. I've only done faces a few times, and none at that size, and the features are not very sharp.
(https://beta-static.photobucket.com/images/o307/MrLeedra/2/c2caeec0-04c5-44ad-b197-11eb2b700a3a-original.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds)
The standard is that of the young Earl of Warwick, son of George of Clarence, as whom Simnel was passed off. Warwick was actually still alive at the time and was paraded around London at Henry VII's orders; he would remain in captivity until the next big pretender, Perkin Warbeck, got both himself and Warwick sentenced to death after a bungled escape attempt from the Tower in 1499.
Hope you like. I should have some Englishmen up soon as well.
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It's a very neat idea, but I wonder if perhaps Lambert looks a bit too small? :? He was about 11 years old IIRC.