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Title: Gripping beast to do plastic Arab cavalry released in April
Post by: Engel on February 11, 2015, 01:56:28 PM
Gripping Beast revealed that they will be doing plastic Arab cavarly.

It was atleast a news to me.  :-*


Gripping Beast "...Plastic Arab cavalry released in April this year!"


https://www.facebook.com/196181460427546/photos/pcb.830709736974712/830709480308071/?type=1&theater#

Title: Re: Griping beast to do plastic Arab cavalry released in April
Post by: Timbor on February 11, 2015, 02:27:33 PM
That sounds very exciting!  I like the GB plastics very much.  :D
Title: Re: Gripping beast to do plastic Arab cavalry released in April
Post by: cram on February 11, 2015, 04:38:46 PM
Looking forward to these!! Thanks for the heads up.
Title: Re: Gripping beast to do plastic Arab cavalry released in April
Post by: rumacara on February 11, 2015, 04:48:28 PM
Crap!!  There goes my savings... o_o
Title: Re: Gripping beast to do plastic Arab cavalry released in April
Post by: Nord on February 11, 2015, 05:02:46 PM
The picture linked to are metal figures.
Title: Re: Gripping beast to do plastic Arab cavalry released in April
Post by: Rob_bresnen on February 11, 2015, 05:07:02 PM
Sounds interesting.  The options to convert these to different periods looks very promising. I guess the April deadline will be to get them ready for Salute.
Title: Re: Gripping beast to do plastic Arab cavalry released in April
Post by: Engel on February 11, 2015, 05:16:08 PM
Thats correct, the pictures are not those. They mentioned it in that post though.
Title: Re: Gripping beast to do plastic Arab cavalry released in April
Post by: Eric the Shed on February 13, 2015, 06:00:39 PM
Brilliant (Sarcasm) - just spent a fortune on lead, fireforge converted mongols etc

Title: Re: Gripping beast to do plastic Arab cavalry released in April
Post by: Dewbakuk on February 13, 2015, 06:18:39 PM
Brilliant (Sarcasm) - just spent a fortune on lead, fireforge converted mongols etc



That's okay, so did I. These will give us another unit though ;)
Title: Re: Gripping beast to do plastic Arab cavalry released in April
Post by: pbjunky1 on February 13, 2015, 07:10:23 PM
Yes I'll definately be buying some of these. I think Fireforge missed a trick  releasing Mongols rather than mounted Saracen types.
Title: Re: Gripping beast to do plastic Arab cavalry released in April
Post by: Atheling on February 14, 2015, 06:03:45 AM
Sounds great doesn't it??

Very much looking forward to these and hope they have armour!!

Darrell.
Title: Re: Gripping beast to do plastic Arab cavalry released in April
Post by: Dewbakuk on February 14, 2015, 10:02:29 AM
Sounds great doesn't it??

Very much looking forward to these and hope they have armour!!

Darrell.

Doubt it.
Title: Re: Gripping beast to do plastic Arab cavalry released in April
Post by: Longstrider on February 15, 2015, 09:41:19 AM
Iiiiinteresting. With using a bunch of helmets from the Dark Age Warriors box, I've managed to come up with a mass of what I think make for passable Andalusian infantry. I'm hoping the GB cavalry will be able to be used the same way too.

Also:
I'd emailed GB a few months ago about something or other, but they had mentioned they were going to both a light and heavy cavalry box. I don't know any more than that, but I suppose with two boxes there'll be quite a bit of variety so that we can put them to the various uses we'd like.
Title: Re: Gripping beast to do plastic Arab cavalry released in April
Post by: Argonor on February 16, 2015, 12:55:21 PM
I'd emailed GB a few months ago about something or other, but they had mentioned they were going to both a light and heavy cavalry box. I don't know any more than that, but I suppose with two boxes there'll be quite a bit of variety so that we can put them to the various uses we'd like.

Sounds good to me. At some point I need to get some SAGA forces ready, and with GW probably ditching the LotR-ranges in a couple of years' time, plastic Saracens are going to make cheap substitutes for Haradrim. Win-win!  :D
Title: Re: Gripping beast to do plastic Arab cavalry released in April
Post by: Longstrider on February 17, 2015, 06:46:09 PM
A thought I had too, with the Haradrim, except that the GW plastics are pretty expensive these days. :(
Title: Re: Gripping beast to do plastic Arab cavalry released in April
Post by: Argonor on February 17, 2015, 07:15:24 PM
A thought I had too, with the Haradrim, except that the GW plastics are pretty expensive these days. :(

I may have phrased it wrongly; I am going to use plastic Saracens as Haradrim, because the GW stuff is probably going OOP (and, of course, also as Saracens to counter Crusaders).
Title: Re: Gripping beast to do plastic Arab cavalry released in April
Post by: Engel on February 24, 2015, 07:36:16 AM
In the latest issue of Wargames Illustrated GB mentioned back in a comercial that they will be releasing two new plastic boxes at salute.

They could be those boxes Longstrider talked about.
Title: Re: Gripping beast to do plastic Arab cavalry released in April
Post by: commissarmoody on February 24, 2015, 07:45:25 AM
We can only hope
Title: Re: Gripping beast to do plastic Arab cavalry released in April
Post by: Engel on March 17, 2015, 07:23:20 AM
 :-* Gripping Beast:


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At SALUTE this year we are releasing TWO new boxes of plastics; Arab Light Cavalry and Arab Heavy Cavalry. Earlier this week we received the mould test shots for the lights. Test shots are used to make sure everything on the mould is aligned and forms properly and are usually slightly less crisp than the final product from the mould once any issues from the test shots are sorted and the locating pins tightened. We were so pleased with the tests that we stuck a few together - so, here are a couple of quick snaps we thought we'd share. Remember they were roughly stuck just to test and Martin didn't trim any sprue bits or mould flash (which is present on these test shots but won't be on the final versions!!) Caveats over...what you think?

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=854296397949379&id=196181460427546 (https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=854296397949379&id=196181460427546)

(https://scontent-fra.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/p720x720/11046855_854296237949395_2601995246180693525_n.jpg?oh=0e17e1e730dc7e9a7a63cf00460640e0&oe=556FCBC6)

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/s720x720/11051921_854296287949390_2784484084097005526_n.jpg?oh=f1eec6935e0a04ec0e5077ba20676cb0&oe=5584B62C&__gda__=1438176401_ed6acf8107153782d412b584d3dfb0b9)
Title: Re: Gripping beast to do plastic Arab cavalry released in April
Post by: Atheling on March 17, 2015, 07:35:36 AM
Impressive  :-*.

Especially the Turcoman  :-* :-*

Darrell.
Title: Re: Gripping beast to do plastic Arab cavalry released in April
Post by: tancrede on March 17, 2015, 07:48:14 AM
Yes, I like them a lot too, and this box sounds very promising.
Maybe the start of another army... :D
Title: Re: Gripping beast to do plastic Arab cavalry released in April
Post by: tomrommel1 on March 17, 2015, 08:13:55 AM
really nice Sounds like "sun spear " (GOT) to me!
Title: Re: Gripping beast to do plastic Arab cavalry released in April
Post by: Druzhina on March 17, 2015, 09:13:24 AM
The Turcoman's hat is a little small and Fez like.
Compare it with the great variety of size and shapes of hats in a collection of paintings of Turkoman Nomads from manuscript Hazine 2153 of the Sarai Albums by the Siyah Qalem (Black Pen) school (http://warfare.tk/Turk/Turkmen-Haz2153.htm)
(http://www.barismustecaplioglu.com/en/images/cin2.jpg)
f8b Nomad camp (http://warfare.tk/Turk/Turkmen-Haz2153-NomadCamp.htm)
f14a The stubborn donkey (http://warfare.tk/Turk/Turkmen-Haz2153-f14a-The_stubborn_donkey.htm)
f38b Group of three figures (http://warfare.tk/Turk/Turkmen-Haz2153-3AndDonkey.htm)
f55a Wandering Dervishes (http://warfare.tk/Turk/Turkmen-Haz2153-CarryingWoman.htm)
f65a Two people by candlelight (http://warfare.tk/Turk/Turkmen-Haz2153-f65a-Two_people_by_candlelight.htm)
f73b Untying a rope (http://warfare.tk/Turk/Turkmen-Haz2153-f73b-Untying_a_rope.htm)
f84a Nomad grazing his horse (http://warfare.tk/Turk/Turkmen-Haz2153-Dismounted-large.htm)
f105a A falling Stone (http://warfare.tk/Turk/Turkmen-Haz2153-f105a-A_falling_Stone.htm)
f152a Performance (http://warfare.tk/Turk/Turkmen-Haz2153-f152a-Performance.htm)
A donkey defecating (http://warfare.tk/Turk/Turkmen-Haz2153-DonkeyDefecating.htm)

MIRROR SITE
A collection of paintings of Turkmen Nomads from manuscript Hazine 2153 of the Sarai Albums by the Siyah Qalem (Black Pen) school (http://warfare.ga/Turk/Turkmen-Haz2153.htm)

Druzhina
Illustrations of Costume & Soldiers (http://warfare.tk/index.htm)
Title: Re: Gripping beast to do plastic Arab cavalry released in April
Post by: Dewbakuk on March 17, 2015, 04:47:59 PM
The Turcoman's hat is a little small and Fez like.

I see what you mean, probably should be taller. However that hat always says Turkoman to me. Probably more to do with available sculpts than history ;)

Title: Re: Gripping beast to do plastic Arab cavalry released in April
Post by: frank xerox on March 17, 2015, 08:32:10 PM
Ian Heaths book has a bloke in a fez, imagine that's where it's probably come from. The Arab figures turban looks odd to me, maybe just the angle, but it looks like a bunnet, as worn by Sunday drivers across the land. Or one of those afghan hats?
Title: Re: Gripping beast to do plastic Arab cavalry released in April
Post by: Captain Blood on March 17, 2015, 09:26:41 PM
:(
There comes a time when you just have to say what you think - and I think these are incredibly crudely done.
I didn't think much of the Arab infantry, and these look even less good.
The horse has got a banana-shaped head and stick legs. The riders' arms are all wrong: the bow arm with hardly any detail or shape at all; the sword arm at an unnatural angle.
The horse archer appears to be wearing a pancake on his head. His torso doesn't fit on his legs properly. His open hand is weird. There's no detail to speak of. The costume detailing is... sketchy...

Yes, it could just be down to the photos, but to judge from these, they're distinctly ropey-looking figures.

Title: Re: Gripping beast to do plastic Arab cavalry released in April
Post by: NurgleHH on March 17, 2015, 09:38:46 PM
:(
There comes a time when you just have to say what you think - and I think these are incredibly crudely done.
I didn't think much of the Arab infantry, and these look even less good.
The horse has got a banana-shaped head and stick legs. The riders' arms are all wrong: the bow arm with hardly any detail or shape at all; the sword arm at an unnatural angle.
The horse archer appears to be wearing a pancake on his head. His torso doesn't fit on his legs properly. His open hand is weird. There's no detail to speak of. The costume detailing is... sketchy...

Yes, it could just be down to the photos, but to judge from these, they're distinctly ropey-looking figures.


... and the hands are also too big compared to the heads.
Title: Re: Gripping beast to do plastic Arab cavalry released in April
Post by: Vermis on March 17, 2015, 09:52:23 PM
The horse has got a banana-shaped head

And an eyeball in a strange orientation and placement, at the bottom of a weird hole.

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the bow arm with hardly any detail

And a funny lookin' shoulder.

There's a feeling that you have do give these new plastic producers some leeway 'cos they're a bit inexperienced, and maybe GBP's last couple of kits were a sign of improvement (I dunno, didn't look too closely at them) but I think they're starting to slide backwards again.
For one thing, I personally wish they'd try to do multipart limited-pose minis with anatomy that kinda makes sense, rather than multipose minis with strange one-armed-bandit robo-limbs. It looks like they're using moulding/casting decisions that even GW gave up on a few years ago.
Title: Re: Gripping beast to do plastic Arab cavalry released in April
Post by: Engel on March 18, 2015, 08:56:11 AM
I loved their Hirdmen box but besides these I actually think they are moving backwards...

What Captain Blood is all to true.
But still... Plastic Saracens... I could use some boxes of these...
To bad Perry cant make all the miniatures for all the eras and games...
Title: Re: Gripping beast to do plastic Arab cavalry released in April
Post by: Captain Blood on March 18, 2015, 09:55:47 AM
What Captain Blood is all to true.
But still... Plastic Saracens... I could use some boxes of these...
To bad Perry cant make all the miniatures for all the eras and games...

I do think Perry plastic miniatures are the best by some considerable distance. But there are a lot of other good plastic historical miniatures out there - much of the Victrix range, some of the later Fireforge stuff.
But these just look poor :(
Title: Re: Gripping beast to do plastic Arab cavalry released in April
Post by: Argonor on March 18, 2015, 11:10:39 AM
I do agree that there seems to be some issues, but let's have a look at some pics of the final product (with proper lighting) before dismissing them completely.

I did have higher hopes for these after recieving the 3  Dark Age sets, which I like a lot, though.  :?
Title: Re: Gripping beast to do plastic Arab cavalry released in April
Post by: Whitwort Stormbringer on March 18, 2015, 07:57:33 PM
Can't say I'm terribly impressed with the two photos we have, but they're kinda poorly lit and it's only two models, of many possible combinations, I'd imagine, so I suppose we'll just have to wait and see more.

I'm more interested in the mention of the heavy cavalry, shame we don't get to see them, yet.
Title: Re: Gripping beast to do plastic Arab cavalry released in April
Post by: Atheling on March 19, 2015, 05:03:32 AM
To be fair on the pics of the mini's, the photography does seem to have been taken in a little bit of a hurry with shadows where one wouldn't normally see them. I'd give it a little time before passing judgement and see what they actually look like at Salute or shortly after.

Camera's and angles can do funny things which is why I, like most of you, like to have at least sen the mini in the flesh before buying.

Darrell.

Title: Re: Gripping beast to do plastic Arab cavalry released in April
Post by: Nord on March 19, 2015, 04:17:01 PM
Never been that impressed by GB stuff, metal or plastic. This doesn't do anything to change my view.
Title: Re: Gripping beast to do plastic Arab cavalry released in April
Post by: Harry Faversham on March 19, 2015, 06:06:02 PM
:o Hold your fire chaps, until we've seen a unit painted and based.  :o
Title: Re: Gripping beast to do plastic Arab cavalry released in April
Post by: Captain Blood on March 19, 2015, 06:41:32 PM
:o Hold your fire chaps, until we've seen a unit painted and based :o

Well, the post quoted from Gripping Beast said...

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Caveats over...what you think?

...inviting people to say what they think of the figures in the raw...

You're right, of course. A really good painter would be able to make these look a lot better than they look here. But that wouldn't really address the sculpting / fit problems apparent in these photos...

LAF is a polite, constructive forum. We're all very respectful of other people's offerings - including things people are trying to sell us. Every now and then though, something comes along where a bit of frank criticism seems the honest thing to do. As long as it's specific (and not personal or petty) that's okay, surely? Especially when the seller has asked 'what do you think?'
Perhaps GB will pick up on the reaction, and take the opportunity to address some of the issues people have cited before going into full scale production.
That would be a good thing, no?  :)
Title: Re: Gripping beast to do plastic Arab cavalry released in April
Post by: Argonor on March 19, 2015, 10:47:00 PM

That would be a good thing, no?  :)


Absolutely!
Title: Re: Gripping beast to do plastic Arab cavalry released in April
Post by: Harry Faversham on March 19, 2015, 11:20:07 PM
Well, the post quoted from Gripping Beast said...

...inviting people to say what they think of the figures in the raw...

You're right, of course. A really good painter would be able to make these look a lot better than they look here. But that wouldn't really address the sculpting / fit problems apparent in these photos...

LAF is a polite, constructive forum. We're all very respectful of other people's offerings - including things people are trying to sell us. Every now and then though, something comes along where a bit of frank criticism seems the honest thing to do. As long as it's specific (and not personal or petty) that's okay, surely? Especially when the seller has asked 'what do you think?'
Perhaps GB will pick up on the reaction, and take the opportunity to address some of the issues people have cited before going into full scale production.
That would be a good thing, no?  :)


Spot on Cap'n. Only dog I got in this fight is if I can bung 'em  in with Perry Fuzzy Wuzzies as cheap an' cheerful mounted in the Sudan!

:P

Title: Re: Gripping beast to do plastic Arab cavalry released in April
Post by: TWD on March 20, 2015, 09:09:36 AM
There's a feeling that you have do give these new plastic producers some leeway 'cos they're a bit inexperienced, and maybe GBP's last couple of kits were a sign of improvement (I dunno, didn't look too closely at them) but I think they're starting to slide backwards again.

But aren't these sculpted by Bob Naismisth, who's been doing it for over 30 years (starting with GW Drastic Plastic) and tooled by Renedra (who likewise have over 30 years experience)?

For one thing, I personally wish they'd try to do multipart limited-pose minis with anatomy that kinda makes sense, rather than multipose minis with strange one-armed-bandit robo-limbs. It looks like they're using moulding/casting decisions that even GW gave up on a few years ago.

This I think is the nub of the issue. The GBP Arab foot IMO are compromised by the need to make them multi-part and multi-function (Spears AND Javelins AND bows). The result is the poses are right for only one of those roles and the other variants are compromised.  What I suspect happens is that the sculptor makes a reasonable spearman, and then sculpts a bow arm that sort of works. Rather than sculpting a nice spearman and a nice bowman.
The end result is that there is actually only one really good way to put the model together, and the multi-pose element is actually something of an illusion. To get really nice looking models we have to do some of the sculpting work to compensate for the compromises and, as a pretty poor sculptor, the models I have end up looking gawky and unrealistic.
Personally I'd rather have a sprue of three really nice single part spearmen (or, single pose with a plug in spear), and two really nice single pose bowmen.
I've recently painted up both the Perry single pose bowmen from WFB 5th edition and the single pose (but two part) spearmen and handgunners from WFB 6th edition. Even though those models are more than fifteen years old and sculpting and plastic technology has moved on considerably since then I'd far rather spend the rest of my days painting those models than spend more time and effort to get much poorer results on the majority of multi-part plastic historical sets that have come out over the last few years.
Title: Re: Gripping beast to do plastic Arab cavalry released in April
Post by: Gibby on March 20, 2015, 10:00:49 AM
Spot on Cap'n. Only dog I got in this fight is if I can bung 'em  in with Perry Fuzzy Wuzzies as cheap an' cheerful mounted ***s in the Sudan!

:P



Erm, not sure that is an acceptable word there, regardless of how Victorian Gentlemen themed your posts are.  :?

On topic, can't say I think much to these so far myself.
Title: Re: Gripping beast to do plastic Arab cavalry released in April
Post by: Mad Doc Morris on March 20, 2015, 10:10:55 AM
Very wise words, TWD. Wholeheartedly seconded. :)

I do get the advantages of low-cost, lightweight plastic models. I don't get, though, why multi-pose should be embraced. At least from a customer's viewpoint. I  take it that moulds are very expensive to produce, so a manufacturer might want to get as many options covered by as few sprues/sets as possible. But I'm not buying the idea that said versatility is meant as an 'empowerment' of customers to build their models in any way they want. To be honest, I prefer a single-posed model anytime above a dodgy, robotic looking multi-pose hybrid. Sadly, those latest Gripping Beast plastics are a let-down so far. A shame really, since decent Arab models would be useful in a number of settings – that's real versatility.
Title: Re: Gripping beast to do plastic Arab cavalry released in April
Post by: Captain Blood on March 20, 2015, 10:43:53 AM
But I'm not buying the idea that said versatility is meant as an 'empowerment' of customers to build their models in any way they want.

And yet the Perrys have shown it can be done - and it does indeed provide a lot of pleasure (for me anyway :))
The problem unfortunately, is that most of the other plastic manufacturers just aren't as good at designing in this versatility.

Erm, not sure that is an acceptable word there, regardless of how Victorian Gentlemen themed your posts are.  :?

True. That's generally regarded as a pretty offensive term these days. Appreciate you're using it in the context of historic parlance, but let's not give anyone cause to take offence?
Edited.
Title: Re: Gripping beast to do plastic Arab cavalry released in April
Post by: Vermis on March 20, 2015, 10:59:53 AM
TWD - agreed completely about multipose minis (but then I would ;) ) although I'm going to commit a horrible blasphemy: I don't think Bob Naismith's sculpting and design is all that and a bag of chips. I don't think a well-known name and 30 years experience makes that horse look much better!
Title: Re: Gripping beast to do plastic Arab cavalry released in April
Post by: Mad Doc Morris on March 20, 2015, 11:23:01 AM
And yet the Perrys have shown it can be done - and it does indeed provide a lot of pleasure (for me anyway :)).
Not to take away from your fabulous conversion work or that of dear Stuart lately or anyone else I've missed – but having built quite a few of those Perry models (Late Medieval, ACW, WW2) I'm still not sold on the concept. There are certain poses that work best, most others make the model look like a string puppet with pieces of equipment tacked on. At least if you don't spend time on 'fixing' with GS – which, for some of us, is a rather tedious task.
Maybe there are certain 'styles' which suit multi-pose models, like men in plate or segmented armour. And perhaps that's also why GW, arguably the most experienced player in the plastic mini market, have adopted that somewhat "square-cut" style for their models?

Anyway, I do agree that there are better and worse examples of plastic kits. One can hope for improvement. :)
Title: Re: Gripping beast to do plastic Arab cavalry released in April
Post by: Captain Blood on March 20, 2015, 11:58:49 AM
I'm going to commit a horrible blasphemy: I don't think Bob Naismith's sculpting and design is all that and a bag of chips. I don't think a well-known name and 30 years experience makes that horse look much better!

I think you may have hit upon the central problem  ::)
Title: Re: Gripping beast to do plastic Arab cavalry released in April
Post by: Harry Faversham on March 20, 2015, 12:00:25 PM
Sorry all, didn't realise I'd written the w word. I'll make sure it doesn't happen again.
Title: Re: Gripping beast to do plastic Arab cavalry released in April
Post by: Vermis on March 20, 2015, 12:21:10 PM
Mad Doc: I've said it before, but whatever things you can fault GW for (and there are lots), but I think they've improved their plastic designs. In terms of poses, at least. Not so much variation and customisation maybe, and still a lot of bits in some cases (especially those dual- or triple-purpose kits) but they've almost left behind the idea of separate, 'posable' arms, legs, heads, torsos etc. to be awkwardly bodged together in weird uncanny-valley shapes and poses.

Captain Blood: my suspicions were first aroused by the rushed looking job on some 6mm sci-fi years ago. Unfortunately a lot of stuff I've seen since hasn't improved that view.
Title: Re: Gripping beast to do plastic Arab cavalry released in April
Post by: Nord on March 20, 2015, 01:51:18 PM
Perry plastics, the Wars of the Roses stuff, are perfectly decent and give a very good effect en masse - I much prefer this to the 12 all stood in the same pose of the old GW stuff (sorry TWD). And GW have shown that it's possible to make excellent plastics, the skaven and elves from the Island of Blood is a good example of what can be achieved.

GB are just poor sculpts, whether in plastic or metal, they are a couple of decades old (or their style is) and it shows. I have their vikings in metal and they are the poorest set of metals in my whole collection. My mate has their plastic vikings and these are just as bad. Credit where it's due, their plastic Saxons are very nice, but on the whole I avoid them. I cannot believe that people actually like the preview shots.  ???
Title: Re: Gripping beast to do plastic Arab cavalry released in April
Post by: TWD on March 20, 2015, 02:53:26 PM
Perry plastics, the Wars of the Roses stuff, are perfectly decent and give a very good effect en masse - I much prefer this to the 12 all stood in the same pose of the old GW stuff (sorry TWD). And GW have shown that it's possible to make excellent plastics, the skaven and elves from the Island of Blood is a good example of what can be achieved.

No offence taken.
I actually think we're agreeing. The IoB models are the same principal of limited number of "fixed" poses, but with fifteen years of technical and sculpting advantages.
They're not compromised "multipart" models.
Each set of components makes a single lovely model.
Personally I find them too detailed and a bit fussy, but that's a stylistic/taste difference - quality wise they're fantastic.
I loved the Night Goblins in the Skull pass set. Single piece models but with enough variation to get a good effect en masse. The Dwarfs, not so much.

In terms of poses, at least. Not so much variation and customisation maybe, and still a lot of bits in some cases (especially those dual- or triple-purpose kits) but they've almost left behind the idea of separate, 'posable' arms, legs, heads, torsos etc. to be awkwardly bodged together in weird uncanny-valley shapes and poses.
Precisely. GW models are increasingly no longer "multi-pose" and IMO the end results are far superior.

As other have said the Perry Twins are the only sculptors who've come close to mastering the art of genuine multi-pose kits, and even then it's possible to make some stinkers.

It's clearly something some of the plastics manufacturers are becoming wise to. The first Victrix Napoleonic kits trumpeted their customisability, but many (me included) preferred the comparative simplicity of the Perry kits to the "Tamiya kit" like complexity of the Victrix.
Now the fact that most plastic Naps are march attack with only three components is used as a USP.

I think you may have hit upon the central problem  ::)

I believe he's known as Bish-Bash Bob in some circles...
Title: Re: Gripping beast to do plastic Arab cavalry released in April
Post by: eMills on March 21, 2015, 01:39:56 AM
although I'm going to commit a horrible blasphemy: I don't think Bob Naismith's sculpting and design is all that and a bag of chips. I don't think a well-known name and 30 years experience makes that horse look much better!
I've gotten my head bitten off several times for expressing this very same sentiment...
~Eric
Title: Re: Gripping beast to do plastic Arab cavalry released in April
Post by: Atheling on March 21, 2015, 06:02:46 AM
You guys wanna hope Darren doesn't recognise your aliases!!  lol lol

Just joshing of course, I don't think he'll be that worried.....

Darrell.
Title: Re: Gripping beast to do plastic Arab cavalry released in April
Post by: Vermis on March 21, 2015, 01:00:10 PM
I don't want to turn this into the 'let's get Bob' topic, but...

I believe he's known as Bish-Bash Bob in some circles...

:D

I've gotten my head bitten off several times for expressing this very same sentiment...
~Eric

Just joshing of course, I don't think he'll be that worried...

I think it's like the GW effect on a smaller scale. Other established businesses and sculptors have their devoted followers no matter what, and will have few problems shifting product; and woe betide anyone who might suggest to the followers that things could be improved.

But what can ye do about it? :-I
Title: Re: Gripping beast to do plastic Arab cavalry released in April
Post by: Engel on March 30, 2015, 07:58:14 PM
Ohh ohh.. The cover art are revealed...   :-* :-* :-*

http://www.grippingbeast.co.uk/Plastic_Arab_Cavalry--category--339.html

(http://www.grippingbeast.co.uk/userfiles/images/sys/products/GBP05_Arab_Heavy_Cavalry_32716.jpeg)

(http://www.grippingbeast.co.uk/userfiles/images/sys/products/GBP06_Arab_Light_Cavalry_83661.jpeg)

I want these...
Title: Re: Gripping beast to do plastic Arab cavalry released in April
Post by: Vermis on March 30, 2015, 07:59:35 PM
Based on the box art?
Title: Re: Gripping beast to do plastic Arab cavalry released in April
Post by: Dewbakuk on March 30, 2015, 11:03:09 PM
Shiny covers...
Title: Re: Gripping beast to do plastic Arab cavalry released in April
Post by: Rotorcraft on April 12, 2015, 12:00:46 PM
Well, they are previewing them painted and... IMHO they don´t look any better.

(I´m sorry but I really, really hate those horses)  :?

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-4s6nYSZrsKo/VSkzlSUDfoI/AAAAAAAAsc8/lzm1rBq2DVQ/s1600/10408085_866152540097098_2076976253228812162_n%2B%281%29.jpg)

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-o0pgptHm1Bs/VSkzajv2NyI/AAAAAAAAscw/oqyesrRSUMQ/s1600/11150206_866149843430701_4813151312882899000_n.jpg)

Best regards.
Title: Re: Gripping beast to do plastic Arab cavalry released in April
Post by: Captain Blood on April 12, 2015, 05:29:25 PM
Well it's a nice neat paintjob on the riders. Makes them look a lot better, although still a little bit stiff looking in some poses...

But I agree, the horses still don't look quite right. Maybe it's just the angle, but the legs look a bit bandy and the heads are still too curving from brow down to muzzle.

I bet they'll sell like hotcakes though  :)
Title: Re: Gripping beast to do plastic Arab cavalry released in April
Post by: Phil Portway on April 12, 2015, 07:16:12 PM
And the horses look rather large, too. I am a little deflated now, seeing them in the flesh  :-[
Title: Re: Gripping beast to do plastic Arab cavalry released in April
Post by: Argonor on April 12, 2015, 09:12:29 PM
I see 2 main problems with these:

1:
The horses seem too big for light cavalry
2:
(And this is by far the worst) All the torsos seem to be sculpted after models standing (or riding) in a 'relaxed' stance, with the torso facing right ahead; if a person twists his torso to one side, the lace/buttons/whatever down the front should reflect the torsion of the body - on these, the stuff runs down to the hips when the torso is turned to the side, looking totally unnatural to me (it doesn't help that some of the torsos seem a bit short).

Had my hopes up for these, but I shall have to pass.
Title: Re: Gripping beast to do plastic Arab cavalry released in April
Post by: Psychlic Bob on April 12, 2015, 09:21:13 PM
Oh dear. I was initially worried because of the fez thing but these are just weird...
Title: Re: Gripping beast to do plastic Arab cavalry released in April
Post by: Whitwort Stormbringer on April 13, 2015, 04:38:22 AM
if a person twists his torso to one side, the lace/buttons/whatever down the front should reflect the torsion of the body - on these, the stuff runs down to the hips when the torso is turned to the side, looking totally unnatural to me
It appears to me to be the case that the torsos and legs are separate pieces, which would explain that.  I agree, it's a bit unnatural-looking, and I guess the trade off (sort of? If you can look past the lack of shirt twisting) is increased posability. Sort of a perennial problem with plastics - increased options for posing, but many of those don't look natural.

Anyways, I'm much more interested in the heavy cavalry, and am still optimistic about those, since I've generally been impressed with other GB plastics.
Title: Re: Gripping beast to do plastic Arab cavalry released in April
Post by: Argonor on April 13, 2015, 10:12:00 PM
I think they should have done it like the dark age sets - legs and torso in one piece. No point in all that 'multi-posable' stuff if it looks rubbish.
Title: Re: Gripping beast to do plastic Arab cavalry released in April
Post by: Engel on April 15, 2015, 08:15:04 AM
New pictures of the heavy cav.

Looks like lots of fun. Too bad I already have a large army. But I guess I can always get an even larger, its starting to get heavy to carry to the club for games. An not so often mentioned bonus with plastic miniatures, the weight.


(http://files.ctctcdn.com/3a1a205c001/a632e9a9-2a59-4166-8e84-a1091dc29467.jpg?a=1120732680063)

More pictures at: http://www.grippingbeast.com/GBP05_Arab_Heavy_Cavalry--product--4999.html
Title: Re: Gripping beast to do plastic Arab cavalry released in April
Post by: Hu Rhu on April 15, 2015, 09:27:39 AM
I have to say that the Heavy Cavalry sculpts look a little better than their light counterparts.
Title: Re: Gripping beast to do plastic Arab cavalry released in April
Post by: Dewbakuk on April 15, 2015, 03:28:03 PM
Those look much better
Title: Re: Gripping beast to do plastic Arab cavalry released in April
Post by: Longstrider on April 15, 2015, 03:43:46 PM
The heavies do look better IMHO - though the horses just seem a touch off (but then I don't know anything about horses, and in any case I haven't really come across metal horse that looks right to me either).

That plus a few bits from the Dark Ages and Vikings box should see me good for some Andalusian cavalry for Saga, at least - nice that both boxes come with a full 12 bows and 12 spears/javelins.
Title: Re: Gripping beast to do plastic Arab cavalry released in April
Post by: Argonor on April 15, 2015, 04:37:56 PM
Agreed, they seem to be a nicer product.
Title: Re: Gripping beast to do plastic Arab cavalry released in April
Post by: AdamPHayes on April 18, 2015, 05:36:50 AM
Both sets will be useful for conversions. I have the light cavalry pencilled in as Back of Beyond era Basmachis...
Title: Re: Gripping beast to do plastic Arab cavalry released in April
Post by: Mick_in_Switzerland on April 18, 2015, 08:27:24 AM
There some sprue pictures on facebook.
https://www.facebook.com/home.php#!/pages/Gripping-Beast/196181460427546?fref=ts

It looks like you get four sprues each with three horses, three torsos and legs, 16 arms and 8 heads, plus swords, bow cases and arrows.
That is a lot of parts and a lot of variety.  :D
I think that you will also be able to mix parts from each set nad also heads from the infantry sets.

I think that this will be a very good set.
I wonder if I could mix in some parts and horses from the Fireforge Mongels to get even more variety.

Mick
Title: Re: Gripping beast to do plastic Arab cavalry released in April
Post by: Atheling on April 18, 2015, 09:35:43 AM
I think that this will be a very good set.
I wonder if I could mix in some parts and horses from the Fireforge Mongels to get even more variety.

I haven't see the sprue on the flesh but I reckon they might be interchangeable.....  ??? ???

Darrell.
Title: Re: Gripping beast to do plastic Arab cavalry released in April
Post by: Thaddeu on April 19, 2015, 04:55:41 PM
Well, the light cav will be quite handy for my 17th-century Polish light cavalry, even if I have to be careful/creative with the posing. And the heavy cav look like they'll make a good base for muscovite nobles, whenever I get around to that army.