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Miniatures Adventure => Future Wars => Topic started by: Timbor on March 21, 2015, 12:20:26 AM
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https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1744629938/deadzone-infestation-sci-fi-skirmish-game/description
Just started today, and is running (oddly) for 17 days. Not sure how they chose 17...
Either way, I love the space rats, and am looking forward to seeing what they put out for scenery. My gaming buddies are looking to start up with some Necromunda, don'tcha know?
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There are no scenery only pledges or add-ons so far. Which is not what I like to see. Given the fairly short period of pledging they may be looking to do it very simple to avoid logistics hassles and that might mean they are going to keep the options to a bare minimum.
As for the infantry minis, don't care for ratmen-in-spaaaaace nor yet am too keen on yet-another-set-of-generic-but-still-diffrent-from-other-generic-sets-of-future-human-troopers either. Even if they are hard plastic.
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Hmmmm, Mutant Naked Mole Rats with guns. Knew we should of sat on those mad scientists. lol
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The one update mentioned scenery only pledges would be added this coming Wednesday. Not sure why they would not have them immediately, but it should be coming!
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Deadzone is already a good skirmish game, I like it.
I'm in for this upgrade/reboot.
Mantic are getting better and better at producing Fun in a Box.
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Not keen on the Ratmen in Space either. Don't mind the Pathfinders tho. I'm hitting the 'Remind Me' button.
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Don't mind sci-fi ratmen, but I hope than they look much more vicious than they do right now (highly doubtful...).
Like the difference between GW's own 6th edition plastic Skaven and their current plastic Skaven - the new stuff "gets" it, but the old stuff looks goofy in a bad way.
I also don't mind more hard plastic humans - although I'd rather have seen Corporation or Rebs rather than more Enforcers.
I do think the rules need a fairly top-to-bottom re-write to make them more fun and less clunky (seems doubtful that they will).
I also think that they need to be looking at doing some of the previous DZ models in hard plastic as well - Marauders and Plague for conversion reasons, and Rebs and Asterians because they are spindly and rubbish in PVC. Doubtful that this will happen either, as this is mostly just to fund a few terrain and model sprues rather than a "proper" KS.
Anyway, we'll see what happens I guess!
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Mantic are getting better and better at producing Fun in a Box.
I am going to have to disagree. This 'box' is pretty lack luster right now compared to the first version. The troop choices seem bland, the mat is paper, we have no idea WHAT will change in the rules (or how it will effect folks with the current figures and cards), and the terrain included seems a bit less.
That just does not add up to 'better and better' in my opinion.
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It hadn't occurred to me, but now that the major mentioned it...I also would rather have had Corporation instead of more Enforcers. I have five of the six factions from the first campaign, but have yet to play a game. That's despite having three of the factions fully constructed (not painted). I like the universe, scenery and models, but for now I'm hitting "Remind Me." I want to see if it get more appealing and need to see if I have some money by then.
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Mantic are getting better and better at producing Fun in a Box.
I am going to have to disagree.
Time to grow yet
Fair comment, but my comparison was based on their own progression to date (of the games I own or will own)
Dwarf Kings Hold > Project Pandora > Dreadball > Deadzone > Dreadball Xtreme > Dungeon Saga (to come)
All sequential improvements - the minis are still a mixture of the really good, the average, and the WTF? but fun (IMO) is included in every box
... they still lag behind Fantasy Flight Games for content and gameplay, though - Star Wars Imperial Assault gets most of my weekly slot at the moment
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The scenery only pledges are up.
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The ability to purchase Mommy Rat has been unlocked.
(https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/003/502/220/ede0a278f6b05218d06d9d1f5f4740a2_original.jpg?v=1427315218&w=700&h=&fit=max&auto=format&q=92&s=9524babeac5deedccababb953616d7bf)
In my opinion, it is a pretty ugly figure. I won't be feeling the urge to get one.
Also, a terrain only pledge is now available, though it may not be that great a deal (I've seen folks on Dakka Dakka saying it may be cheaper via retailers after the KS).
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That is not a figure I feel a need to own.
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Don't mind sci-fi ratmen, but I hope than they look much more vicious than they do right now (highly doubtful...).
Like the difference between GW's own 6th edition plastic Skaven and their current plastic Skaven - the new stuff "gets" it, but the old stuff looks goofy in a bad way.
Aye, that. These look too much like GW's old, plug-ugly, discarded skaven for my liking. It's like so many other things: designers plugging a set of old familiar tropes and symbols together to say 'this is a rat-man (as dictated by GW visuals)' in this case - even if it actually looks more like the Tex Avery wolf (http://villains.wikia.com/wiki/Wolf_(Tex_Avery)) with buck teeth than a rat - as opposed to doing like Seb Perbett did and look at, y'know, rats.
Still annoyed that people don't get digitigrade legs, too. They don't cause things to waddle around with their knees almost scraping the ground...
Sci-fi scouts and terrain aren't something I'm mad interested in at the mo, and the sculpting doesn't set me on fire, so all I can say is meh. They're serviceable. That leader(?) woman looks like there's something odd about her proportions, though.
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I kinda like the ratmen being a bit more restrained in style, leaves the option open to paint them as something different, "colorful snouty aliens." Also dig the "modern SF operatives" look to the pathfinders, even if (as has been said already) at this point we are pretty spoiled for choice when it comes to hard-sci fi military humans. Considering that there weren't many options besides Cadians a few years ago though, I'm not complaining. :D The scenery looks cool as well!
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I was initially in, but have backed out. I pledged for the last round for Deadzone. I didn't end up enjoying the game enough to stick with it, but I do like the plastics (figure and terrain) from the last round.
I figured this round would be a good value, but the low model count (seems no better than you'll be able to get from online discounters after release).
I guess it goes to show just how much more expensive cutting molds for hard plastic is over PVC.
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I am in on this, as I didn't get the game the first time around, and I like the Pathfinders enough that I might get some paint on them. Rats? Not so much, but we'll see about that...
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I kinda like the ratmen being a bit more restrained in style, leaves the option open to paint them as something different, "colorful snouty aliens."
That's a fair point.
I do still think that more rat-like heads would be better though - remember that as these are hard styrene sprue models, they are easy to convert (and will most likely have separate heads anyway). That means that more cartoony heads like those by MaxMini would have still been an easy alternative for those that prefer that look.
I also feel that this should have been a Warpath KS too. Basically, pick two of the factions, make a narrative starter kit for them, and then expand the armies via KS; then pick another two armies and repeat. After three or four KS, you should everything you need barring big plastic vehicles (which, really, need more time and effort to get right).
Making more stuff for Deadzone is fine, but I sadly think that Mantic need to fix the the first set of rules and models before they go gallivanting off with extraneous stuff. I do like DZ, and I am happy to see more for it (personally, I think it'll suit me more than Warpath will), but I'd like the whole thing done better this time around.
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According to one of the recent updates from the original Deadzone KS, I thought this was also an update to the original rules. I recall something about first campaign pledgers being given access to a digital copy of the updated rules.
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I do still think that more rat-like heads would be better though - remember that as these are hard styrene sprue models, they are easy to convert (and will most likely have separate heads anyway). That means that more cartoony heads like those by MaxMini would have still been an easy alternative for those that prefer that look.
Definitely, I'm never opposed to more choice! 8)
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According to one of the recent updates from the original Deadzone KS, I thought this was also an update to the original rules. I recall something about first campaign pledgers being given access to a digital copy of the updated rules.
That's what they said from the last update which is a nice move:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1744629938/deadzone-the-sci-fi-miniatures-board-game/posts/1171701 (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1744629938/deadzone-the-sci-fi-miniatures-board-game/posts/1171701)
As far as the Veermyn models go, I would be much more interested in them if they could at least hint they were going to be compatible with WHFB Skaven. I have a ton of skaven sitting around that go back as far as Mordheim. It sure would be nice if I could swap parts.
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As far as the Veermyn models go, I would be much more interested in them if they could at least hint they were going to be compatible with WHFB Skaven. I have a ton of skaven sitting around that go back as far as Mordheim. It sure would be nice if I could swap parts.
I'd bits-order some Dark Eldar guns (which are suitably raygun-looking), and kitbash your own then. For the KS, maybe stick a $1 pledge in and upgrade to add on the new rulebook later?
That way you "win" both ways! ;)
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Yes, I'm in for the $1 right now just so I can get the updates and not miss the end if I decide to Jump in.
I guess what I find most odd, is there was an announcement before the campaign launched that said Mantic's big goal of the campaign was to fund a cheaper, more user friendly starter box set that they can get into game shops. Arguments of value aside, I haven't seen anything that looks like a cohesive starter box.
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Big splash draw in the cash and feck up the final furlong....
Once bitten once escaped thrice shy.
Not for me thanks.
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Yeah I backed the last kickstarter for deadzone and was a little dissapointed. I am happy the miniatures for this are actually hard plastic instead of restic but I would only be interested in a few pathfinders and im would prefer to wait for retail for those because mantics quality control and consistency is lacking.
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I like hard plastic for conversions but have actually had good success converting the resin plastic from the original Deadzone figures. Most of my Plague and Marauder figures got converted as I didn't want two and three figures exactly the same sculpt. Some chopping with a hobby knife and a little glue was all it took to get some nice variety. Certainly not as easy to do as with plastic, but I didn't mind the process.
Just have to find some time to paint the damn stuff. Or build scenery. Or actually play the game.
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I found the Deadzone resin plastic pretty easy to work with as well. It glued together and stayed together nicely. As others have pointed out, not as nice as straight up plastic but better than metal.
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Cleaning the mouldlines off the restic, along with the sad wibbliness of small details, are the real (and hard to deal with) drawbacks of restic IMO.
However, in terms of glueing and painting, etc., I found it fine.
I do also think that DZ1 should have offered a plastic sprue for each faction rather than so many add-on models. Then, DZ2 coould have added a new faction or two in plastic sprue and expanded the exisiting factions with a few add-on models. That way, everybody gets plastic models for their faction core, and it helps existing players hacve som interest in the new KS... But doing it this way is frankly rather backwards! :?
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Cleaning the mouldlines off the restic, along with the sad wibbliness of small details, are the real (and hard to deal with) drawbacks of restic IMO.
However, in terms of glueing and painting, etc., I found it fine.
I do also think that DZ1 should have offered a plastic sprue for each faction rather than so many add-on models. Then, DZ2 coould have added a new faction or two in plastic sprue and expanded the exisiting factions with a few add-on models. That way, everybody gets plastic models for their faction core, and it helps existing players hacve som interest in the new KS... But doing it this way is frankly rather backwards! :?
Agreed - I have no idea why, once they saw they had a million in the bank, they didn't go for hard plastic for all the core forces.
Restic is fine - when I'm working with superglue these days, I tend to use an accelerator like bicarbonate of soda, or the prep pen from Loctite All-Plastic superglue. As you say, it's the mouldlines and the terrible softness of the detail than make me sad. I was still finding and cleaning mouldlines off the Sedition Wars models even as I was painting final details on them - a real pain.
Went in for this one, but pulled out - I've still not decided what to do with my Deadzone 1 figures. I do like the ForgeFathers and Enforcers, and several of the other models, but overall too many of them don't look worth the effort.
If anyone knows of a good home for them, that would make the decision for me... ;)
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Went in for this one, but pulled out - I've still not decided what to do with my Deadzone 1 figures. I do like the ForgeFathers and Enforcers, and several of the other models, but overall too many of them don't look worth the effort.
I think they do look good if you're willing to spend the time and effort on them (even if it's frustrating). Game-wise... Well, there are lots of suitable sci-fi skirmish games out there that you can use instead if you prefer. :)
The Sedition wars stuff though, urgh. The main game plastics are okay, but the extra figs are simply crap. :-X
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I think they do look good if you're willing to spend the time and effort on them (even if it's frustrating). Game-wise... Well, there are lots of suitable sci-fi skirmish games out there that you can use instead if you prefer. :)
See now you're making me think about doing something with them again :D
Also like the look of the Pathfinders and jetbikes in the new Kickstarter, so I'll definitely look at them when they're out.
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It's the last day of this KS, and they have unlocked some plastic forge fathers. There is also a better deal higher pledge level:
(https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/003/565/999/817b43d1935e4e68c8334076959819df_original.jpg?v=1428330798&w=700&h=&fit=max&auto=format&q=92&s=2863cd6fa6e0fb3bf6ee72d0f559e1c2)
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Interesting to see where this ends up tonight!
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Still on the fence with this one.