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Other Stuff => Workbench => Topic started by: beefcake on May 13, 2015, 11:31:14 AM
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I've started checking out zbrush and using it to make some 3d models. After watching some tutorials I've been getting better faster. Defintitley easier than pushing putty at the moment but more to learn in regards to putting different pieces together.
So far I've spent the last hour or so working on this face. I got to this stage after about a half hour but then added in some bits that I then deleted because it looked dumb, I tried to add teeth but think I'll make them separately and fit them onto the sculpt. Will need to check out a tutorial for doing that.
First proper try and I've been working on a scaly for necromunda. So this is the head. Just messing about at this stage. Hopefully things will get better much quicker. I may need a better computer as this one is pretty useless and slow.
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Sculpted a basilisk, pr at least tried to.
(http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr309/kminis/sculpting%20and%20creations/ZBrush%20ScreenGrab01_zpsvnopvfwi.jpg) (http://s494.photobucket.com/user/kminis/media/sculpting%20and%20creations/ZBrush%20ScreenGrab01_zpsvnopvfwi.jpg.html)
Printed at 150 microns so not great resolution. hasnt turned out too well but happy enough.
first pic with supports second without.
(http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr309/kminis/sculpting%20and%20creations/P1250052_zpsr79qdj9q.jpg) (http://s494.photobucket.com/user/kminis/media/sculpting%20and%20creations/P1250052_zpsr79qdj9q.jpg.html)
(http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr309/kminis/sculpting%20and%20creations/P1250053_zpsdms6zjin.jpg) (http://s494.photobucket.com/user/kminis/media/sculpting%20and%20creations/P1250053_zpsdms6zjin.jpg.html)
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Interesting, thanks for posting.
So you have learned to use the software from tutorials, any previous experience with similar 3d modelling software?
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Mostly from tutorials. No previous experience with sculpting on computers, just google sketchup which doesn't really count. I found a way to cut the sculpt into smaller parts using netfabb. So I'm currently printing the last piece of a 50micron print about 50% larger in length than this. It looks much better. I can actually make out the eye sockets on it. I think next I'll make the sculpt even more detailed by splitting the polygons again. That way I should be able to define the teeth more and maybe add some more details like spines and so on. I'll take another pic once I've fully assembled the monster. Should be another hour or so for the next print to finish, possibly two.
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Here is the improved print. I need to fill the edges of it to make that look nicer for painting but this guy should look good crawling through a cavern.
(http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr309/kminis/sculpting%20and%20creations/P1250060_zpsjvoaz1hw.jpg) (http://s494.photobucket.com/user/kminis/media/sculpting%20and%20creations/P1250060_zpsjvoaz1hw.jpg.html)
(http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr309/kminis/sculpting%20and%20creations/P1250059_zpsoag6basd.jpg) (http://s494.photobucket.com/user/kminis/media/sculpting%20and%20creations/P1250059_zpsoag6basd.jpg.html)
Still a bit of cleanup needed as well.
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Quite a leap forwards between the two! 8) Will be great to see the beast painted :)
So you have your own 3D printer? ;D
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Yep, backed it on kickstarter about 2 (3?) years ago and it finally arrived about a month ago. $400 USD delivered.
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I clicked on this expecting to see rather a different sort of Basilisk. lol
Nice work though. Shame the printer curved the limbs inward a bit.
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Lol, maybe I should change the title to fantasy basilisk.
And that wasn't the printer, that was my sculpting lol
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Sculpted a spider today. In between looking after the kids, playing a game of Heroquest with them (which I guess is also looking after the kids) Took me about 3 hours all up. Learnt a lot from sculpting this guy. The inflate tool is very useful. Could have had more definition on the legs as it kind of looks like it's wearing tights or something, but then again its going to be a miniature so...
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After printing this one I'll be redoing the legs as it doesn't look right with only a knee and ankle joint. More sections will be added.
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Resculpted the legs, took it back about 150 undos or was it 500, then put new legs on. Recut the thorax and abdomen and am reprinting the abdomen. The first print of the thorax (or cephalothorax, whatever it's called) looked really good, Super happy with it.
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Decent stuff. :) I'd maybe go with a bit deeper details, to see if they print out clearer, but the overall shape looks great.
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The veins probably need to be bigger. They look veiny on here but I doubt they will show up at all on the print. Still all good practice :) THanks for the comment. :)
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Now printing the first set of four legs.
I've made a more mutant version of it as well. I'll probably print these ones off pretty small. The current one is huge but looking good.
Mutant spider has pustules growing out of it. One eye popped as well and just looking like a pus bag really.
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Printed a very large version of the normal yet large spider (not the legs yet though) and a small version of the mutant spider. I haven't cleaned the legs up properly yet though.
(http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr309/kminis/sculpting%20and%20creations/P1250112_zpsusjud3tb.jpg) (http://s494.photobucket.com/user/kminis/media/sculpting%20and%20creations/P1250112_zpsusjud3tb.jpg.html)
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I'm not sure you should clean it up! You're getting the hairy-legged spider effect for free.
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lol In that case I won't bother.
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painted version of the mutant spider
(http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr309/kminis/sculpting%20and%20creations/P1250120_zpsgwts948p.jpg) (http://s494.photobucket.com/user/kminis/media/sculpting%20and%20creations/P1250120_zpsgwts948p.jpg.html)
(http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr309/kminis/sculpting%20and%20creations/P1250123_zpssdw5tlbm.jpg) (http://s494.photobucket.com/user/kminis/media/sculpting%20and%20creations/P1250123_zpssdw5tlbm.jpg.html)
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That's a really good spider sculpt. Well done Beefcake. You need to make a rolled up newspaper sculpt to fight it off :)
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Yuck! And I mean that in the best possible way ;)
That figure, with that paintjob, is disturbingly creepy-crawly-looking. Well done.
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Thank you :)
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Yuck! And I mean that in the best possible way ;)
That figure, with that paintjob, is disturbingly creepy-crawly-looking. Well done.
+1
Disgustingly good.
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Just a little bit more greenstuff in the joins and then on to painting.
(http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr309/kminis/sculpting%20and%20creations/P1250209_zpspkhbpcjr.jpg) (http://s494.photobucket.com/user/kminis/media/sculpting%20and%20creations/P1250209_zpspkhbpcjr.jpg.html)
I ran out of plastic after doing this guy's legs so am now moving onto the grey plastic I have. Hopefully it should show the detail a lot better.
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Gypsy Caravan made with Google Sketchup. I'll need to do some weathering on it. I've done some test prints, One has a big line down the middle but I've sorted that problem. Now I'm doing the final prints for it.
I'm pretty happy with the 3d model. I may use my spider as the animal drawing it along, or I've been thinking about a snail which would be pretty cool. Also need to do the wheels! oops!
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First few prints are done. I also did a quick snail sculpt. Took me around an hour to do (after the programme crashed and I had to revert to a previous quicksave) The top floor is the broken version. I'll be making a slightly larger one and it's had some modifications since this first print. The wheels turned out really well. Unfortunately I'm also going to have to re design the roof as the edges weren't making it a solid object for some reason. >:( I'm also planning on using some brass rod as the axles so it's not sitting as it should yet.
(http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr309/kminis/sculpting%20and%20creations/P1250284_zpsauvu6c0v.jpg) (http://s494.photobucket.com/user/kminis/media/sculpting%20and%20creations/P1250284_zpsauvu6c0v.jpg.html)
(http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr309/kminis/sculpting%20and%20creations/P1250285_zpsaon7abw1.jpg) (http://s494.photobucket.com/user/kminis/media/sculpting%20and%20creations/P1250285_zpsaon7abw1.jpg.html)
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Try reversing the faces on the roof in your sketchup model.
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Thanks! That might just work. It's changed to white on sketchup so hopefully should print. Never knew that trick :)
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Yep, had it for about 2-3 months. On holidays now and it's been running pretty much 24/7 lol.
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That snail and the wheels look great! I'm rather envious.
Perhaps using it to create shapes/parts is the way to go, rather than large surfaces which are "easy" to scratchbuild. The brass rod axel sounds like a secure idea Beefcake! :)
Cheers
Matt
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That snail and the wheels look great! I'm rather envious.
Perhaps using it to create shapes/parts is the way to go, rather than large surfaces which are "easy" to scratchbuild. The brass rod axel sounds like a secure idea Beefcake! :)
Cheers
Matt
Cheers
I'm pretty rubbish at scratch building so this is a nice alternative but it is great for making those itty bitty pieces that require a lot of precision. :)
Rock on dude! I'm really impressed with your work and your ability to chase your dreams like a cheetah on the seringetti running down antelope. Really really impressed.
Thanks mate :)
Here is the latest update of the completed piece. I had to chop it into smaller pieces as my print space wasn't big enough for some pieces. I had some things go wrong with some prints but sorted most of the problems. The roof had a bad line break through it where you can see GS.
Here is the wagon with a mini for scale. A pity the wagon handle bits (I forget the name) weren't larger. I'm not going to redo it for this one though. I filled gaps with greenstuff.
Here it is with the snail and a more sinister look with the spider. I'll make some small parts to attach on (a spare wheel has been made already and a GS bag of apples) . Maybe a sign for a wandering tradesman or something like that.
(http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr309/kminis/sculpting%20and%20creations/P1250468_zpsk48fcoei.jpg) (http://s494.photobucket.com/user/kminis/media/sculpting%20and%20creations/P1250468_zpsk48fcoei.jpg.html)
(http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr309/kminis/sculpting%20and%20creations/P1250469_zpsa4qoqwvy.jpg) (http://s494.photobucket.com/user/kminis/media/sculpting%20and%20creations/P1250469_zpsa4qoqwvy.jpg.html)
(http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr309/kminis/sculpting%20and%20creations/P1250470_zpseo7ax7kx.jpg) (http://s494.photobucket.com/user/kminis/media/sculpting%20and%20creations/P1250470_zpseo7ax7kx.jpg.html)
What initially made me want to sculpt this wagon was to have an alternative to the Baba Yaga chicken legged hut and have it pulled by a massive chicken. I may just see if I can get a cheap $2 shop one and repaint it rather than try to sculpt one myself. That would be quite a challenge.
Thanks for looking and feedback given :)
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Not too bad quality. The top two sections are at 200microns and you can definitely see the print lines. The others were 100 microns but the length of time it took to print them was getting me impatient. It can go to 50 microns which is okay for smaller minis. I wouldn't want to print an army from it though. lol I saw a really cheap printer on kickstarter TIKO or so,etching like that. Around $179 US. They aren't taking any more orders though but if they can produce the goods I'd be tempted to by myself a second printer for that price.
Here the kickstarter page.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/tiko3d/tiko-the-unibody-3d-printer
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Made some quick urns and barrels. They look good for a terrain piece and have also made a wagon top for carting goods around that sits on the chassis I made, no pics at the moment but it looks pretty good. Need to sculpt more wheels though.
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(http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr309/kminis/sculpting%20and%20creations/P1250468_zpsk48fcoei.jpg) (http://s494.photobucket.com/user/kminis/media/sculpting%20and%20creations/P1250468_zpsk48fcoei.jpg.html)
You need a bigger snail! Very nice print.
Snitchy sends.
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lol I know. I hadn't expected it to look that small.
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Here is a cart loaded with barrels and bits. Finally painted something, if poorly. Might give the barrels a wash of sepia. Oh yeah and muddy up the wheels some too.
(http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr309/kminis/sculpting%20and%20creations/P1250662_zpsiaitkbgu.jpg) (http://s494.photobucket.com/user/kminis/media/sculpting%20and%20creations/P1250662_zpsiaitkbgu.jpg.html)
(http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr309/kminis/sculpting%20and%20creations/P1250664_zpsftsrvxep.jpg) (http://s494.photobucket.com/user/kminis/media/sculpting%20and%20creations/P1250664_zpsftsrvxep.jpg.html)
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Wow! I'm really amazed at what is already possible..... I'm in awe of what the future may hold :)
Darrell.
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Some very good results - I'm rather impressed!
Seeing those barrels has also given me an idea... Why not print them side-ways so that the print-lines simulate the woodgrain?
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It's a good idea but I doubt it would work as the bottom section would need some serious sanding down afterwards as even with supports sometimes the plastic droops, unless I cut them in half and printed two halves and then stuck them together.
Thanks for the comments.
I've started to make print some modular walls for myself. I'll see how they turn out. I'm wanting to make a tavern. I've also recently designed and printed a bookcase which looks quite good. I made a much larger one than 28mm scale for my daughters dolls house as well. :)
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Cheers mate. It's fun to do and stops me spending more cash on minis that I probably won't paint, lol
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Nearly finished the wagon. just the sign to go, some knicknacks and some highlights.
(http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr309/kminis/sculpting%20and%20creations/P1250810_zpsmstmb71o.jpg) (http://s494.photobucket.com/user/kminis/media/sculpting%20and%20creations/P1250810_zpsmstmb71o.jpg.html)
(http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr309/kminis/sculpting%20and%20creations/P1250811_zpsnb3nkd11.jpg) (http://s494.photobucket.com/user/kminis/media/sculpting%20and%20creations/P1250811_zpsnb3nkd11.jpg.html)
(http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr309/kminis/sculpting%20and%20creations/P1250812_zpswa7rplum.jpg) (http://s494.photobucket.com/user/kminis/media/sculpting%20and%20creations/P1250812_zpswa7rplum.jpg.html)
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Here is the wagon completed with the snail all painted.
(http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr309/kminis/P1250947_zpscdcbsah7.jpg) (http://s494.photobucket.com/user/kminis/media/P1250947_zpscdcbsah7.jpg.html)(http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr309/kminis/P1250946_zpsd7lwwxhv.jpg) (http://s494.photobucket.com/user/kminis/media/P1250946_zpsd7lwwxhv.jpg.html)(http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr309/kminis/P1250945_zpsknzohdpg.jpg) (http://s494.photobucket.com/user/kminis/media/P1250945_zpsknzohdpg.jpg.html)(http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr309/kminis/P1250944_zpsndekk3nc.jpg) (http://s494.photobucket.com/user/kminis/media/P1250944_zpsndekk3nc.jpg.html)
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Something else I've been plugging away at in Sketchup. I added some colour and a floor to it to make it look a bit nicer.
I'll probably make some sort of armour for the legs as well but that will probably be separate. All the legs, and arms are separate so I can print them easily and I'll chop the body up on Netfabb
(http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr309/kminis/scorpion_zps7tfnnd29.jpg) (http://s494.photobucket.com/user/kminis/media/scorpion_zps7tfnnd29.jpg.html)(http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr309/kminis/scorpion2_zpsambcqdqm.jpg) (http://s494.photobucket.com/user/kminis/media/scorpion2_zpsambcqdqm.jpg.html)(http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr309/kminis/scorpion3_zpsnrmki1vs.jpg) (http://s494.photobucket.com/user/kminis/media/scorpion3_zpsnrmki1vs.jpg.html)
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:-* Fantastic caravan. I don't know what else to say. It's just luverly.
Roboscorp is shaping up very nicely too. I think I know a formfull of epic fans who might be interested in that.
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Wow, I'm impressed. Really happy for you.
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THanks guys, it's really cool to have that one finished. Now to push myself to doing some harder stuff. With the scorpion, to get it to work, I've had to open it on Zbrush and create it as a dynamesh to make it work properly. Not a big deal but time consuming.
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I've been a bit slow on using this lately. With my daughter more mobile, crawling around, I've been reluctant to have the printer going for fear of small fingers. Then I had the great idea of using a chair to block her off ::) should have thought of solutions sooner.
Anyway using the printer and some foamboard I've been making pieces for modern housing apartments and stores. This is a bit of a side project from my Summer Project elsewhere in the workbench. sigh distracted easily. lol
Front wall. I'm probably only going to use the smaller windows but put them all over in a uniform fashion. This one is 3 stories high but I can make them as big as I want.
(http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr309/kminis/P1270408_zpszxftxgcu.jpg) (http://s494.photobucket.com/user/kminis/media/P1270408_zpszxftxgcu.jpg.html)
(http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr309/kminis/P1270409_zpswet6rf63.jpg) (http://s494.photobucket.com/user/kminis/media/P1270409_zpswet6rf63.jpg.html)
Interior. I've been thinking of making it usable inside with floors, however removing floors to get to lower ones may be a bit difficult. It still works well for adding the roof. Although as this piece is working with a couple of different prototypes the roof will be a bit more difficult. I had to put some pieces upside down which doesn't make a difference on the outside but for putting the floors it works differently.
(http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr309/kminis/P1270410_zpsei9t75yd.jpg) (http://s494.photobucket.com/user/kminis/media/P1270410_zpsei9t75yd.jpg.html)
(http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr309/kminis/P1270411_zpsbs88x68o.jpg) (http://s494.photobucket.com/user/kminis/media/P1270411_zpsbs88x68o.jpg.html)
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Dang! :-*
And these will be commercially available for us at some point? ;)
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Lol, they'd be cool to have. Much cheaper than full resin kits as foam board is so cheap. I'm still in the process of perfecting the design too. The top of the roof is a bit dodgy at the moment. It will do for one building to make it different to the others but looks a bit weird.
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Wow nice parts! Its funny I´m working on a similar Idea like you aside to my Vaultstuff. My initial inspiration were the old Mortheim Building Kits. My approach is still very wip and just in 3D arm. I want to have this for a Art Deco Settting to have this useable in Fallout PostApoc Gametable.
I´m suprised how big and Chunky You´ve made the parts. Is there a certain reason like stability etc. or just to have the parts with more depth to the walls?
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Lol, never actually thought about making them less chunky. The good thing is that I can mess around with all the sizes easily. I do like this size though as they clip together nicely and I don't feel like I'll break them easily. Would you like the files to mess around with yourself?
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Would you like the files to mess around with yourself?
Not at the Moment. Its still very WIP and awaiting its approval in Print and assembly. I have a 2mm thick notch to hold the Wallmaterial (Papercardboard or embossed Plasticsheet etc.)
(http://www.deltadog.de/webpics/GWFW/Art_Deco_Set01.jpg)
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Much more superior to my stuff. That looks great.
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Wouldn`t call it superior to your stuff. Keep in mind you compare finished printed parts with rendered 3D parts. My stuff will look a little rough after printing too be sure! Aside from that you`ve already proofen that your parts have function after the print my stuff not yet.
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True. Always fall into the trap of 3d rendered pieces looking great. I have revised my pieces though and made them smaller. I can print 12 at a time now.
Last night I had the printer running overnight and unfortunately the print failed. I had a spiderweb of yellow plastic.
I'm thinking I'm just going to (2d) print the bricks for the walls surface just to speed things up rather than painting the wall surface.
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Or do ONE Set in perfect conditions, make some Silicon molds and cast the parts in cheap resin. In the End its much less work to do and will be my way for the parts.
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I used to do resin casting but ran out of silicon and resin so never invested more in it.
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I also just realised, the majority of the jigsaw type structure is unnecessary. I'm going to get rid of them. I might do as you said and look into casting things up. It would definately speed things up and give better results if I use the 50 micron setting (at the moment I'm doing them at 340 microns).
I've snaffled some of your ideas and made mine kind of Art Deco looking. I live about 10 minutes drive from the most densely built southern hemisphere art deco city so, although haven't studied the period, I have a fair idea about what to make them look like.
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I also just realised, the majority of the jigsaw type structure is unnecessary. I'm going to get rid of them. I might do as you said and look into casting things up. It would definately speed things up and give better results if I use the 50 micron setting (at the moment I'm doing them at 340 microns).
I've snaffled some of your ideas and made mine kind of Art Deco looking. I live about 10 minutes drive from the most densely built southern hemisphere art deco city so, although haven't studied the period, I have a fair idea about what to make them look like.
Then you have a big advantage to me. In my area are only old middleaged Woodhouses for refences in Real shape^^
Here a re my Printresults on 50micron. I guess the Changing in your plans will lead you to better results in the End.
(http://www.deltadog.de/webpics/GWFW/Art_Deco_Set02.jpg)
PS: Should I awake the evidence of highjacking your thread with my pictures please let me know, don`t wont to do so. Just hope it maybe helps you a bit in your further progress.
Greetz Delta
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All Good. That looks great what you've done.