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Miniatures Adventure => Pikes, Muskets and Flouncy Shirts => Topic started by: Tordenskjold on May 15, 2015, 11:36:05 AM
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Warlord games have released a pack of 24 pike/shot troops for the years between the Italian Wars and until the start of the Thirty Years War:
(http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0288/8306/products/WGP-18-WoR-Infantry-Regiment-b_1024x1024.jpg?v=1431591972)
Release article (http://www.warlordgames.com/new-pike-shotte-wars-of-religion-releases/)
Are these the old Arsenal Miniatures? I can't stop thinking 'Haven't I seen these before?'
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I have no idea but it looks like a great unit. I just love those helmets.
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Is really like the look of them.
Is 1648 not pushing it a little though for the equipment and clothing they have on.
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Is 1648 not pushing it a little though for the equipment and clothing they have on.
Just a tad.
It's about time there was a comprehensive range for this and I'm hoping there will be some Richard Leicester tie-ins :D
cheers
James
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oh those do look good! :)
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I know they have cavalry coming out for this as well, hopefully sooner rather than later!
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I'm not sure those are Mr Hicks' original Arsenal Miniatures sculpts are they?
It's a bit hard to tell from the pictures, because they're so small, but they don't look like the same figures to me... ??? :?
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I'm not sure those are Mr Hicks' original Arsenal Miniatures sculpts are they?
It's a bit hard to tell from the pictures, because they're so small, but they don't look like the same figures to me... ??? :?
They are the same with added musicians.
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Okay. Thanks Paul.
Worth getting then - they've been a long time coming :)
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Looking forward to seeing the cavalry, and don't I recall that the original arsenal figures had more than one officer. Hope there are some more infantry due out(and hopefully in smaller packers, as a painter rather than a game I don't need a whole regiment)
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Excellent news, I've been hoping to see these for some time.
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I'm not sure those are Mr Hicks' original Arsenal Miniatures sculpts are they?
It's a bit hard to tell from the pictures, because they're so small, but they don't look like the same figures to me... ??? :?
I suspect not Richard, on close inspection they lack the 'look' of Mr Hicks creations..... but as you say, it would be hard to be very confident about this.
The price tag pits me off a little- have a look at the rest of the range..... :?
Darrell.
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Well, if you look a few posts above, Darrell, you'll see Paul says they are one and the same ;)
They are the same with added musicians.
Must confess though, they didn't have quite the same look to my eye, as those that appeared a few years ago under a coat of Tom Weiss paint... I wonder if other hands have been brought in to make up some of the numbers.
Not sure about the expense - 12.00 for four swordsmen is certainly right up the pricey end for 28mm wargames figures. Conversely, the boxed set of 24 figures seems quite reasonable - except I don't really want all those musketeers and pikemen... ::)
Wargames companies propensity for bundling figures into boxed sets really is quite annoying. Packs of 4 / 6 / 8 figures was enough of a 'you have to buy a few figures you don't want in order to get the ones you do' imposition. Now they're coming in effing sets of 24... ::)
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I suspect not Richard, on close inspection they lack the 'look' of Mr Hicks creations..... but as you say, it would be hard to be very confident about this.
The price tag pits me off a little- have a look at the rest of the range..... :?
Darrell.
But they are mine I tell you!:)
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lol
Bigger pics or it never happened >:D
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Is really like the look of them.
Is 1648 not pushing it a little though for the equipment and clothing they have on.
Aye reckon to 1600 maybe, nice though
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1648 is the end of the 30 Years War, not the start.
Clothing style is way too early for 1648.
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But they are mine I tell you!:)
Maybe it's the paint jobs? Don't mean to be offensive in the event the painter is reading! :)
Darrell.
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''Not sure about the expense - 12.00 for four swordsmen is certainly right up the pricey end for 28mm wargames figures.''
Very true, had to check the url and make sure I wasn't on GW for a second there... lol
''Conversely, the boxed set of 24 figures seems quite reasonable - except I don't really want all those musketeers and pikemen...''
...Can you read my thoughts!? I feel the same way with the parliament box set, why not do it like the Irish Brigade and have the option of buying the command separate?
I'm more of a small scale/skirmish gamer when I do, I mostly collect interesting models to paint, which is probably why I have more specialist and officer models than troops! lol
Speaking of can anyone recommend me any good (preferably points based) skirmish games for this period?
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Aye reckon to 1600 maybe, nice though
According to the old Arsenal blog, the range had been commissioned to cover the wars between the Ottomans and the Christian powers of Southern Europe in the mid-16th century, the focus being primarily the siege of Malta in 1565. The figures were researched with that decade in mind and really won't be suitable for the C17th.
They can be used up to the 1590's at a stretch but their dress will look quite anachronistic after that date, even if you make allowances for the continued wearing of older fashions in some parts of Europe.
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According to the old Arsenal blog, the range had been commissioned to cover the wars between the Ottomans and the Christian powers of Southern Europe in the mid-16th century, the focus being primarily the siege of Malta in 1565. The figures were researched with that decade in mind and really won't be suitable for the C17th.
They can be used up to the 1590's at a stretch but their dress will look quite anachronistic after that date, even if you make allowances for the continued wearing of older fashions in some parts of Europe.
Very true Arthur.
I think that I'm correct in thinking that the Plunderhosen (Sp?) were often worn loose too? It would be nice to see some sculpts in that garb as well as 'tied' Plunderhosen.
Darrell.
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According to the old Arsenal blog, the range had been commissioned to cover the wars between the Ottomans and the Christian powers of Southern Europe in the mid-16th century, the focus being primarily the siege of Malta in 1565. The figures were researched with that decade in mind and really won't be suitable for the C17th.
They can be used up to the 1590's at a stretch but their dress will look quite anachronistic after that date, even if you make allowances for the continued wearing of older fashions in some parts of Europe.
Thanks for that insight. I suspected the years suggested by Warlord games had more to do with compatibility with their other ranges than anything else - 16th to mid-17th bridges the gap between the Perry miniatures and warlord's own 30YW ranges nicely.
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Thanks for that insight. I suspected the years suggested by Warlord games had more to do with compatibility with their other ranges than anything else - 16th to mid-17th bridges the gap between the Perry miniatures and warlord's own 30YW ranges nicely.
Quite. Warlord would not let a minor thing like the fact the figures are clearly depicted as Elizabethan era, interfere with their commercially driven positioning of the product as suitable for, well - pretty much anything really... ;)
I guess, arguably, technically, the TYW was the long end game in the European Wars of Religion which stretched, on and off, from the first half on the 1500's onwards. But when most people talk about the Wars of Religion, they're referring to the earlier period. Very definitely mid to late C16th. Not 1648.
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Is my memory playing me false or were the 4 swordsmen initially marketed as for the early part of the Thirty years War and have been part of the Warlord range for quite a while?
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Is my memory playing me false or were the 4 swordsmen initially marketed as for the early part of the Thirty years War and have been part of the Warlord range for quite a while?
Different swordsmen miniatures, same style of armour/weapons.
I think the problem is really that Warlord seems to have bitten off more than it can chew by buying up all these rsnges and then wondering what to do with them.
They bough up the ww1 stuff a while back but now the ww1 bolt action game has fallen through.
They've chosen a very broad period to model so obviously the miniatures won't be good for the entire period, perosnally I think that warlord should either go for flexible kits that can be reused or focus on more detail on a single conflict.
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I have been looking for my next project just found it these are great!
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I think these are lovely sculpts. I do hope that Warlord eventually makes them available in smaller packs.
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Don't get mewrong these will be bought to play frenchies for Brazil to fight my eureka portuguese if I ever get round to painting them :o
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Is my memory playing me false or were the 4 swordsmen initially marketed as for the early part of the Thirty years War and have been part of the Warlord range for quite a while?
No these are four new sculpts meant for this range.
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Ah so my memory is playing me false- I'm getting old and senile.
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These will undoubtedly be joining my Wargames Foundry and Eureka 16th century figures (assuming compatability in size). Upcoming plans for cavalry ?
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Ah so my memory is playing me false- I'm getting old and senile.
Easy mistake to make, here's the old followed by the new.
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Commbined with the above chaps, would you say the new releases would be any good for conquistadors?
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The Conquistadors wore less metal armour and used quite a lot of local produced quilted jackets(there is a generalisation for the experts to pull to shreds). Also the main conquistador battles were in the early half of the sixteenth century(Cortez died in 1522 and Pizarro died in1541) whereas these figures are for the Great Siege of Malta period(1560s) If they are compatible in size to the Wargames Foundry conquistadors I think they could certainly be used in conjunction with them to give more variety to the units if you were prepared to overlook the odd historical inaccuracy.
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You could certainly mix them into later period campaigns in brazil where french, spanish,portuguese vied for control. For Cortez and Pizarro their costume is liittle late, helmets notably, you wouldbe better sticking with foundry, eureka and TAG for that
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I'm hoping there will be some scope in the range to handle conflicts in Scotland around the reign of Queen Mary, Corrichie for instance. Albeit some mixing of figures and heads may be required for "royal" forces with lowlanders wearing bonnets and fabric or no armour at all and probably looking to Irish from Elizabeth's wars to handle any highlanders.
Ok ok, it's a long shot...but we all dream don't we! lol
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Worth looking at claymore casting for irish, hicks sculpts too, their highlanders make good gallowglass
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Oh and Karl, if you never paint those Eureka portuguese i dont mind to keep them. :D
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Worth looking at claymore casting for irish, hicks sculpts too, their highlanders make good gallowglass
Cheers...that ought to be a good mix
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I really don't think these are Paul Hicks sculpts, the differences are obvious to the trained eye. :D
(just messing with you...)
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Not sure about the expense - 12.00 for four swordsmen is certainly right up the pricey end for 28mm wargames figures.
I really hope (and expect) that this is just a mistake, as 12.00 is their usual price for 8 infantry, while 4 usually come at 7.00.
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I hope they don't take too long releasing those nice looking Janissaries they had on show at Salute and Paul said he has asked Paul Hicks to do some Knights. Plus he was wanting to get some Maltese ( have I splelt that correctly or Just made a new word up ) done at some time. He was very enthusiastic about the whole range which has got to be good because I'm obsessed with it.
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Oh and Karl, if you never paint those Eureka portuguese i dont mind to keep them. :D
I nearly did last month, spent 2 hours photographing them but in the end liked them too much to get rid of them ;D
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I really hope (and expect) that this is just a mistake, as 12.00 is their usual price for 8 infantry, while 4 usually come at 7.00.
There are 8 miniatures in the blister. So don't worry!
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There are 8 miniatures in the blister. So don't worry!
The Problem with warlord is, that it always is 2x4, not real 8 figures. So, a kind of tricking the customers. Better buy one time 4 figures than 2x4 figures. I always ask friends, if they want to have half of the blisters... :-[
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I nearly did last month, spent 2 hours photographing them but in the end liked them too much to get rid of them
You devil... lol