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Title: Mick’s Agincourt project (Game 24/11/2021)
Post by: Mick_in_Switzerland on May 16, 2015, 10:40:33 AM
With the 600th anniversary of Agincourt coming up soon (25th October 2015), I have decided to wargame the battle.  I will copy some aspects of Simon Chick’s game from Salute.

I already have quite a lot of the Perry Agincourt to Orleans range that I bought and painted in 2005 to 2007.  I did a quick count this morning.  I have about 125 painted infantry and 32 painted cavalry.  This is more or less one of each Perry metal set.  Among this are the Perry command sets for Agincourt.  These are painted to a reasonable standard.   There a few damaged figures and the LBMS transfers on the pavises have shrunk slightly leaving white edges.  The flags look a bit worse for wear too.  Everything looks fixable.

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5343/17737249485_6ec7e01c37_z.jpg)

I wrote Age of the Trebuchet in 2005, which is a historical adaption kit for LOTR SBG.  The infantry are based on 25mm slottabases and cavalry on matching 38mm round bases. 

I have already bought and built 36 Perry plastic English army, 18 metal peasants and 24 metal infantry to expand the armies.  I have another 12 archers on order and will convert some Fireforge foot sergeants.  I plan to also make some extra archers with hand weapons for melee and some placing stakes.  I plan to make large numbers of infantry casualties to mark difficult ground for the second and third waves of French.

From the maps that I have seen and pictures on Google, the battlefield is completely flat.  I have sketched out the battlefield on a white paper tablecloth.  The battle will play on a 180cm x 120cm table (6ft x 4ft).   

Questions
1. Does anybody know how the stake defences would have looked?
   
Wargamers often show a single dense row of stakes but I don’t think that is how it was done.  I think a good defence that could not be jumped by a horse would have been at least 4 staggered lines of stakes each stake about 50 cm apart.  If I recall correctly, there were 4,500 archers and each had one stake.  The narrow point between the Azincourt and Tramecourt woods was only 700 metres.  As I understand there were stake defences in front of the archers but not in front of the men at arms.  That gives 4,500 stakes in about 600 metres which is 7.5 stakes per metre. 
Has anybody read anything about this?  What is your opinion?

2.  Tips for terrain cloths?
I plan to make a painted and textured cloth.  This will be the first time that I have done a painted and textured cloth so I will be experimenting with caulk and sawdust on a cotton sheet.  I would appreciate tips or links to tutorials.

3.  Please recommend some nice Flags?
I need to update the flags.  Where can I get nice 28mm flags for Agincourt Armies?

Regards

Mick
Title: Re: Mick’s Agincourt project (start 16th May)
Post by: Bone on May 16, 2015, 07:53:27 PM
Quote
2.  Tips for terrain cloths?
I plan to make a painted and textured cloth.  This will be the first time that I have done a painted and textured cloth so I will be experimenting with caulk and sawdust on a cotton sheet.  I would appreciate tips or links to tutorials.

http://www.sweetwater-forum.de/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=6661&pageNo=15

http://www.sweetwater-forum.de/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=13984
(felt instead of cloth)

Its a long thread with lots of info and pictures.
I did some mats myself, the first ones I made with acrilyc caulc and sand - later ones with acrilyc caulc ,sawdust, shredded corc pieces and pieces of teddy fur.
Title: Re: Mick’s Agincourt project (start 16th May)
Post by: Mick_in_Switzerland on May 16, 2015, 08:12:49 PM
Thank-you
Title: Re: Mick’s Agincourt project (start 16th May)
Post by: Mick_in_Switzerland on May 18, 2015, 07:34:50 PM
Here is a quick update.

Figures
Thursday and Friday were holidays in Aargau, so I cleaned the metal infantry and built the plastic set.  On Saturday, I based all of the 83 new figures (Perry English set, 18 peasants and 24 metal infantry plus 5 Fireforge conversions) and blended them in with Milliput.  In the evening, I undercoated them with GW Chaos Black spray.  On Sunday, I got up early and started painting.  

I decided to make the English distinctive by having a tight colour palette.  Most of the archers have beige (earth & bone highlight) padded aketons with red hoods and red crosses on the left chest.  Four archers have half red and half white aketons.  The men at arms have red weapon handles and leather scabbards.  Many MAA have St George devices on jupons (waistcoat) and besagews (armpit protectors).  I will start on hose on Monday evening and possibly get the whole plastic set finished by weekend.  As soon as they look reasonable, I will photograph them.

English Flags
I have photocopied the English flags in the Perry box so that I can have thin flags.  There are far more than I actually need.  

Stakes
I started a thread on TMP and the consensus is that there were at least three staggered rows.
http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=384817

Mick
Title: Re: Mick’s Agincourt project (start 16th May)
Post by: Mick_in_Switzerland on May 25, 2015, 03:19:01 PM
French Flags
Krigspiel.dk have excellent flags that can be downloaded for free.  The HYW section is mostly about Crecy and Poitiers but captions indicate where descendants used the same flags at Agincourt or Orleans.  I found flags for the principle characters and enough others to give unit a flag from a knight who was present at the battle.
http://www.krigsspil.dk/download/download_3.html
I found some others at Warflag.com
http://www.warflag.com/flags/medieval/franceselect.shtml

Agincourt French
Here are the French.  Most of these are figures that I painted in 2007.  Several need minor touch ups, especally where the shield transfers have shrunk.  
I have added 8 Fireforge infantry converted as flag bearers.  Each unit has a flag of a french knight who was present at Agincourt.
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7694/18055478056_551075c1e2_o.jpg)

Agincourt English
The command set was painted in 2007 as were a few archers and MAA.  I have built and started to paint 36 English from the Perry Plastic set and 4 Fireforge bodies with Perry arms to be archer musicians and flag bearers.  Two more sprues of archers arrived this week so they are not yet painted.
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7658/18081982655_408cc1be7b_o.jpg)

Grass Matt
I bought sample strips of two thicknesses of teddy bear fur. Each was about 30 cm x 160 cm.
One was very dense and plush and about 12mm thick.  The other was very thin and looked cheap.
The thick fur looked good before painting but took a lot of effort to apply the paint and the final result was not really much better than the thin fur.  I could easily cut roads and paths into the thin fur with an electric hair trimmer.  The thick fur was too much for the electric clippers.
I experimented with painting, first trying with brushes, but quickly changed to dipping.  The best way appears to be to make a bath of very dilute paint (about 1 part paint to 10 parts water) and dip the fur into it.  Then I wrung it out and redipped the parts where the paint was thin.  About 66% yellow and 33% bright green mixed with water gave a very bright spring green colour similar to GW static grass.  I did some with earth as the main colour and then dry brushed with bright green but this looked very dark.  I will use this for forests.  
I will use the thinner fur to make the mat.
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7672/17895735729_0443c99c5d_o.jpg)
Title: Re: Mick’s Agincourt project (update 25th May)
Post by: Anna Elizabeth on May 25, 2015, 03:37:35 PM
Oh, very nice! :) I'm planning a similar collection, for the French, anyway. :)

It's really good to see painted and W-i_P armies, it's inspiring. :)
Title: Re: Mick’s Agincourt project (update 25th May)
Post by: Mick_in_Switzerland on May 25, 2015, 03:44:26 PM
Thank-you

You can see larger versions of the pictures on my Flickr gallery.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/31905569@N05/
Title: Re: Mick’s Agincourt project (update 25th May)
Post by: Atheling on May 25, 2015, 03:47:21 PM
Great work Mick and and impressive array too  :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*

Darrell.
Title: Re: Mick’s Agincourt project (update 25th May)
Post by: Dave Knight on May 26, 2015, 11:55:42 AM
Looking very good indeed :D
Title: Re: Mick’s Agincourt project (update 25th May)
Post by: shandy on May 26, 2015, 03:14:14 PM
That's a splendid project, Mick! A pity I'll be leaving Switzerland for good in three weeks… I'd have loved to game Agincourt with you.
Title: Re: Mick’s Agincourt project (update 25th May)
Post by: Mick_in_Switzerland on May 26, 2015, 03:27:27 PM
Dear Shandy,

All the figures are built and based and I have a painted paper table cloth as terrain.
We could actually play it now...if you have time one evening or at the weekend.

I haven't decided on rules but we could try Lion Rampant which I have just bought.... or we could use LOTR SBG (GW Lord of the Rings game).
 ;)

Mick
Title: Re: Mick’s Agincourt project (update 25th May)
Post by: shandy on May 27, 2015, 11:48:45 AM
We could actually play it now...if you have time one evening or at the weekend.

Aww, that'd be great! pm sent.
Title: Re: Mick’s Agincourt project (update 25th May)
Post by: Dave Knight on May 27, 2015, 03:20:23 PM
Looking forward to an AAR 8)
Title: Re: Mick’s Agincourt project (update 31st May)
Post by: Mick_in_Switzerland on May 31, 2015, 02:27:38 PM
Sunday 31st May 2015

Shandy will come to visit next weekend, to play Agincourt, so I have been rushing to get everything to a playable state.

Fur Mat
On Saturday, I visited Aarau and went round the fabric stores.  In Alja (www.alja.ch) I bought 2 metres of beige fur and 40 cm of dark brown imitation suede.  The fur, called Polo is a lightweight 80% acrylic and 20% polyester fur which is 150 cm wide and costs CHF 17 per metre.  I also bought 40 cm x 150 cm of dark brown imitation suede velour which costs CHF 29 per metre.
In the craft shop (Bastel-Huus), I bought 4 x 80ml bottles of acrylic craft paints in Pistachio, Leaf Green, Rich Green and Medium Yellow.  At CHF 5.80, you get about 5 times as much as a GW paint pot, so it is about 25% of the GW paint cost.  This is important as I used about 240 ml to colour the 2 metre x 150 cm fur.
I also bought a heavy duty polythene sheet from the DIY store.  This was described as a decorator’s tarpaulin 5m x 4m.  

I moved the furniture and put the sheet on the tiled floor with the fur on top.  Warning, this is a messy process, so you need to wear old clothes and protect the floor and furniture from splashes.  I mixed the paints in a tub so that I had varying shades of green.  I diluted this with a lot of water (about 20 times as much water as paint) and applied it to the fur with a 2 inch decorators paint brush.  I frequently rolled the fur into a giant sausage and squeezed it so that the wet paint came through to the other side.  This rolling and wringing spread the paint and evened up the colour.  I then unrolled this and kept adding more paint and repeated the process until I was happy with the colours.  I then hung this outside on the washing line to dry.

The brown velour has been used for roads and painted as temporary terrain for the ploughed fields.

Stake emplacements
I need a temporary solution for the game with Shandy next weekend.  I used some Perry bases (40x 50mm), each with two or three stakes to give me enough stakes to cover the frontage of the archer units.  I added a strip of sprue to the underside of the base at the back so that they form a wedge that comes up from ground level to a height that matches the movement tray at the back.  These have been quickly painted to use this week.

Unit Markers
I found small laser cut letters in the craft shop.  I bought a full alphabet and will use these to mark each unit.

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/474/18117086098_30ba9e2b70_o.jpg)
Title: Re: Mick’s Agincourt project (update 31st May)
Post by: Atheling on June 01, 2015, 06:24:33 AM
Mick,

If it's any help to you, I've got a brilliant (French) booklet that is in two parts showing the heraldry of i/ the French Survivors and Prisoners of Agincourt and ii/ the French Dead from Agincourt.

It's in my ex's garage and will remain there until I move into the new house (a couple of months at most) I think that you could find it very useful.  ;) :) It would take some scanning....... but I owe you one for the pics you sent me.

Darrell.

Title: Re: Mick’s Agincourt project (update 6th June Lion Rampant AAR)
Post by: Mick_in_Switzerland on June 07, 2015, 03:20:17 PM
Sunday 6th June 2015 Lion Rampant AAR

On Friday, I took the day off and set up the table and forces.  At 14.30, I picked up Thomas (AKA Shandy on LAF) from the station.

We played Agincourt twice, using 36 points of English against 74 points of French.  We played Lion Rampant according to the book.  We ignored the zone of control rule for this scenario so that we could have the visual effect of a thin line of English stretching from woodland to woodland.  The ploughed field counted as rough ground and was 6” wide.  The stakes were counted as an obstacle but not as cover against missile attacks.

The English comprised of a line of units behind a ploughed field, with stakes in front of the archers.   There were two units of expert archers on the West, two units of foot men at arms (MAA) in the centre and two expert archers on the East.

The French filled the opposite end of the table.  There were three units of mounted MAA, two of mounted sergeants, two of foot MAA, eight of foot sergeants and two of crossbows.

For the first game, I took the French and Thomas the English.  I tried to mimic the historical battle.  The first attack was two mounted MAA and two mounted sergeants.  One unit of mounted MAA refused to activate, so the English archer had chance of long range shots at the cavalry and already inflicted two casualties before the cavalry moved forward.  The same mounted unit failed to activate again, leaving three units to cross the ploughed field.  As the attack proceeded, the cavalry were annihilated by the archery.  Within a short time, nineteen cavalry had been killed and all four units were destroyed.  The English suffered just two archer casualties.

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8874/18375392350_3b6eaefede_o.jpg)

The second attack was two units of foot sergeants on the wings with two of MAA in the centre.  These were also subjected to withering archery and only one unit of MAA under the Marshall of France reached the English.  The foot sergeants were quickly battered and in both cases failed courage tests after four or five casualties resulting in removal.  The MAA units were very courageous and fought to the last man.    All units were destroyed, after twenty one infantry casualties and two routed units of foot sergeants.  The English had lost three MAA in this attack.

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8845/18376875489_a067e9e2f1_o.jpg)

At this point, the French had forty casualties and eight destroyed units.  The English army had taken only five casualties, and every unit was still at full dice.  I conceded defeat.

For the second game, Thomas advanced with foot sergeants followed by crossbows.  The sergeants were destroyed by the archery but the crossbows were close enough to get a shot at the archers.  They caused 5 archer casualties which was the most successful French attach of the day.  Unfortunately the lightly armoured crossbowmen were in the open and were quickly destroyed by the returned fire from two units of expert archers.   Thomas then tried to bring up mounted troops, but they suffered a similar fate as the cavalry in the first game.  Thomas also conceded.

We were both very impressed with Lion Rampant.  The rules are very easy to play and work very well.  The activation brings an element of unpredictability.  

Afterwards, we played two random scenarios from the booklet (H and J) using the standard 24 point French and Later English armies from page 59.  Both of these games were quick and brutal fun.

Mick
Title: Re: Mick’s Agincourt project (update 7th June Lion Rampant AAR)
Post by: Atheling on June 07, 2015, 04:18:04 PM
Great stuff Mick.  :-* :-* :-*

Purely from a visual perspective, I think that the French men at arms could be padded out- (hope you don't mind me mentioning that?).

Darrell.
Title: Re: Mick’s Agincourt project (update 7th June Lion Rampant AAR)
Post by: Mick_in_Switzerland on June 07, 2015, 04:45:58 PM
I will get a couple more units of French Men at Arms.  They are very pretty and are the best thing to get to the English and fight

I am trying to make up my mind as to whether to get more Perry metals or wait for the plastic French Army set.  Metals is most likely as I can have them in a week or so.
I will probably get another 12 foot MAA (AO22 and AO16) and also the metal Cavalry Command AO15.

Next time, I also may make the ploughed field narrower, so that the French cross quicker and have a better chance.

Mick
Title: Re: Mick’s Agincourt project (update 7th June Lion Rampant AAR)
Post by: shandy on June 07, 2015, 08:28:09 PM
Thanks for the images Mick! And a big thanks for having me over and providing an afternoon of games - this was great fun!
I'll put up an AAR on my blog some time… gotta get through our house move first  :?

Next time, you could include the French raid on the English camp, as you have suggested… protecting the camp in addition to holding the line might make the English job a bit more challenging  :)
Title: Re: Mick’s Agincourt project (update 7th June Lion Rampant AAR)
Post by: Dave Knight on June 07, 2015, 10:39:17 PM
Sounds a lot of fun
Title: Re: Mick’s Agincourt project (update 7th June Lion Rampant AAR)
Post by: painterman on June 07, 2015, 10:44:32 PM
Good looking game Mick, and interesting to see Lion Rampant used for set-piece engagement.
Simon.
Title: Re: Mick’s Agincourt project (update 7th June Lion Rampant AAR)
Post by: Mick_in_Switzerland on June 08, 2015, 07:59:11 PM
Thank-you for the kind comments.

The project will continue.  I would appreciate feedback and suggestions for improvements.

Figures
I have 92 figures that are partially painted to finish off.  After that, I will probably buy some more command figures and men at arms figures for the French.  I will replace some of the flags to have more consistency of style.

Each unit has a commander who represents a prominent knight.  I would like suggestions of which commanders are important and where were they.  My list has been influenced by the Perry command sets and also the flags that I have found.

I have the following for the French
Cavalry - Count Brabant, Count Vendome, La Hire
Infantry 1st Division – Constable of France, Maigre (Marshal of France), Duke d’Orleans, Duke de Bourbon
Infantry 2nd Division - Count d'Alecon, Count de Nevero, Duke de Bar
Infantry 3rd Division- Count Fauquenberges, Viscount Dinan, Count d’Eu
Crossbow - Rambures, Chatillon

My English commanders are Lord Camoys, Sir Erpingham , Henry V, Oxford (De Vere), Duke of York, Strickland

Bases
Most of my movement trays are for eight figures and Lion Rampant is based on six or twelve.  I will have to buy about twenty more sixes.  I think I will buy these from Warbases.
http://war-bases.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&path=68_71&product_id=131

Terrain
The fur mat worked very well but the colour is too bright and even.  I will add some darker greens and beige dry grass colours so that I have a more variable appearance to the grass.  
I will also rework the woodland bases but I am not sure what to do.  I may try to shave the fur in patches and scatter leaves on the ground.  I also want to work on the grass colour.
I will add caulk and sawdust to the roads and ploughed fields so that I have a better texture.
I will buy some more tall Noch trees to make the forest denser.

As I said, your suggestions are appreciated.

Regards

Mick
Title: Re: Mick’s Agincourt project (update 7th June Lion Rampant AAR)
Post by: shandy on July 03, 2015, 08:16:15 AM
Slowly emerging from the chaos of house moving, I finally managed to put my AAR of the Agincourt game at Mick's place online: https://wargamingraft.wordpress.com/2015/07/03/agincourt-with-lion-rampant/ (https://wargamingraft.wordpress.com/2015/07/03/agincourt-with-lion-rampant/)

It was a great and memorable game and I'll be looking forward to seeing more of your project here on LAF. If you ever drop by Vienna, shoot me an email!

Cheers
Shandy
Title: Re: Mick’s Agincourt project (update 7th June Lion Rampant AAR)
Post by: Mick_in_Switzerland on July 03, 2015, 06:37:40 PM
Dear Shandy,

Thank-you for the AAR.  The project is continuing. 
I have almost finished painting about 100 figures (some of them we used) for this project.

I hope that I can visit Vienna at some point.

Mick
Title: Re: Mick’s Agincourt project (update 7th June Lion Rampant AAR)
Post by: Arundel on July 05, 2015, 03:44:59 PM
That's a beautiful game, Mick. Thanks for sharing!
Title: Re: Mick’s Agincourt project (update 10th July Painted French MAA)
Post by: Mick_in_Switzerland on July 10, 2015, 01:42:43 PM
I have bought and painted some more MAA.

Here are the French unit commanders.  Each one is a named knight who was present at Agincourt with their own  banner bearer.

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/416/19390141309_dd43bfb416_o.jpg)

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/311/19569826322_293359e0ac_o.jpg)

(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3685/19550529926_75c8c39849_o.jpg)

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/539/19390144129_b256ffd73c_o.jpg)

These are almost finished - I keep spotting areas to improve and repainting bits.
I will add static grass when they are finished.
Mick
Title: Re: Mick’s Agincourt project (update 10th July Painted French MAA)
Post by: Captain Blood on July 10, 2015, 02:49:16 PM
Well, that's a lovely colourful collection Mick :)
Title: Re: Mick’s Agincourt project (update 10th July Painted French MAA)
Post by: Mick_in_Switzerland on July 10, 2015, 04:41:05 PM
Thank-you
Title: Re: Mick’s Agincourt project (update 10th July Painted French MAA)
Post by: commissarmoody on July 10, 2015, 05:41:17 PM
Well that is pretty impressive, keep up the good work.
Title: Re: Mick’s Agincourt project (update 10th July Painted French MAA)
Post by: Little Odo on July 11, 2015, 07:40:18 AM
Very nice and colourful  :-*
Title: Re: Mick’s Agincourt project (update 10th July Painted French MAA)
Post by: shandy on July 11, 2015, 07:35:56 PM
That's very cool! Great work.
Title: Re: Mick’s Agincourt project (update 10th July Painted French MAA)
Post by: Mick_in_Switzerland on July 12, 2015, 09:21:27 AM
Thank-you everybody
Title: Re: Mick’s Agincourt project (update 10th July Painted French MAA)
Post by: Mick_in_Switzerland on August 08, 2015, 09:19:10 AM
Terrain
I have recoloured the fur so that it matches the static grass on the bases.  I have also added about 15 Noch trees.  
I added caulk and sand to the roads and ploughed fields so that I have a better texture.
I also added a second row of stakes.

Bases
I bought 25 6 slot movement trays from Warbases
http://war-bases.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&path=68_71&product_id=131

Figures
I have added more men at arms to the French and 18 peasants as onlookers.

Next
The project is certainly playable but still is not quite finished.  
I am still not sure how to finish the bases.  
I will wait to see more pictures of the Perry diorama

There are bigger pictures on Flickr
https://www.flickr.com/photos/31905569@N05/ (https://www.flickr.com/photos/31905569@N05/)

Regards

Mick



(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/309/19770775454_34ece2f469_o.jpg)

(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3721/19772513863_38f915b1f5_o.jpg)

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/366/20205388240_1e4c0bd1b4_o.jpg)
Title: Re: Mick’s Agincourt project (update 8th August with pictures)
Post by: von Lucky on August 08, 2015, 11:37:03 PM
Looking good already.
Title: Re: Mick’s Agincourt project (update 8th August with pictures)
Post by: OSHIROmodels on August 08, 2015, 11:42:37 PM
Very impressive  8)

cheers

James
Title: Re: Mick’s Agincourt project (update 8th August with pictures)
Post by: Atheling on August 09, 2015, 06:26:58 AM
Brilliant stuff Mick- just lovely stuff mate  :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*

Darrell.

PS. I'll sort that 'book' out for you as soon as I've dug it out of a box when I've moved and scan it for you.
Title: Re: Mick’s Agincourt project (update 8th August with pictures)
Post by: Captain Blood on August 09, 2015, 08:08:42 AM
Great collection. Well done Mick.
Title: Re: Mick’s Agincourt project (update 8th August with pictures)
Post by: Mick_in_Switzerland on August 09, 2015, 11:17:35 AM
Thank-you everybody
Title: Re: Mick’s Agincourt project (2nd set of Lion Rampant games Sept 2015)
Post by: Mick_in_Switzerland on September 23, 2015, 07:20:48 PM
My friend, David Knight visited us and stayed for a few days.  We visited museums and castles in Grandson, Hallwyl, Lenzburg, Luzern, Murten and the amphitheatre in Avenches.  We visited the battlefields of Grandson (1476), Murten (1476), Morgarten (1315) and Sempach (1386).  

We also found time to play various wargames including Agincourt (1415) , Murten (1476), Villers-Bretonneux (1918) and Mirbat (1972).

Agincourt 1415
We played using Lion Rampant.  The English army list was the same as last time with Thomas.  The French were bolstered with more Men at Arms on foot.  We played twice and in both cases the English won quite easily.  The four units of expert archers dominated the muddy killing ground in front of the English stakes.  In future, I may downgrade them so that two units are normal archers and two are expert.

(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5685/21629562266_7121529a35_o.jpg)

Regards
Mick
Title: Re: Mick’s Agincourt project (2nd set of Lion Rampant games - 23rd Sept 2015)
Post by: Charlie_ on September 23, 2015, 08:52:01 PM
Great stuff. Do you have any close up photos of all the infantry?
Title: Re: Mick’s Agincourt project (2nd set of Lion Rampant games - 23rd Sept 2015)
Post by: shandy on September 23, 2015, 09:17:05 PM
Nice to see another game with your fabulous Agincourt collection! And I'm glad to see the English won again - so it wasn't us being daft  :)
Title: Re: Mick’s Agincourt project (2nd set of Lion Rampant games - 23rd Sept 2015)
Post by: Atheling on September 24, 2015, 04:43:40 AM
Lovely looking stuff Mick  :-* :-* :-*

Darrell.
Title: Re: Mick’s Agincourt project (2nd set of Lion Rampant games - 23rd Sept 2015)
Post by: Mick_in_Switzerland on September 24, 2015, 07:38:48 AM
Thanks everybody.

@Charlie
There are bigger pictures on my Flickr gallery.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/31905569@N05 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/31905569@N05)
Title: Re: Mick’s Agincourt project (2nd set of Lion Rampant games - 23rd Sept 2015)
Post by: Charlie_ on September 24, 2015, 11:05:17 AM

@Charlie
There are bigger pictures on my Flickr gallery.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/31905569@N05 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/31905569@N05)

Thanks! I've enjoyed looking at your Agincourt and Burgundian / Swiss collections.
Title: Re: Mick’s Agincourt project (Wagons & Casualties 22nd May 2016)
Post by: Mick_in_Switzerland on May 22, 2016, 02:42:53 PM
I have been thinking about other battles including the Siege of Orleans and the Battle of the Herrings.
Inspired by recent posts on LAF, I decided to scratch build some wagons to match my Perry ones.  
I already have three different Perry metal wagons but they are a little bit too narrow to have fighting crews.

Here are three war wagons which will be used for the Battle of the Herrings an maybe latter for Hussites.  
The crew are plastic Agincourt French.  The wheels are from Front Rank.
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7474/26895393720_1e16ecedb5_k.jpg)

Here are 32 French casualty figures for Agincourt.  
Counting up and down from Left to Right, the first 10 are Perry Metals, the next 18 are converted Perry plastic French MAA & Infantry and the last 4 are converted Fireforge Foot Sergeants.
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7238/27101447191_428f372e6a_k.jpg)

Regards
Mick
Title: Re: Mick’s Agincourt project (3 Wagons & 32 Casualties 22.5.2016)
Post by: Dave Knight on May 22, 2016, 04:32:54 PM
Great looking as ever Mick
Title: Re: Mick’s Agincourt project (3 Wagons & 32 Casualties 22.5.2016)
Post by: Captain Blood on May 22, 2016, 06:57:05 PM
 :-* Great work on the wagons, Mick. Lovely job.
Title: Re: Mick’s Agincourt project (3 Wagons & 32 Casualties 22.5.2016)
Post by: von Lucky on May 22, 2016, 07:30:32 PM
Agreed, they look like they're going paint up a treat. And a nice effort on the casualty figures.
Title: Re: Mick’s Agincourt project (3 Wagons & 32 Casualties 22.5.2016)
Post by: Mick_in_Switzerland on May 22, 2016, 07:57:18 PM
Thank-you everybody.

I will show more pictures when everything is painted.
Title: Re: Mick’s Agincourt project (3 Wagons & 32 Casualties 22.5.2016)
Post by: painterman on May 23, 2016, 12:20:45 AM
Mick
The wagons and casualty markers all look top-rate!
Have you seen that First Corps are switching medieval wagon production to resin for the main wagon bodies (different styles)...maybe worth looking at too?
Look forward to following this, as I want to do these 1429 battles too.
Simon.
Title: Re: Mick’s Agincourt project (3 Wagons & 32 Casualties 22.5.2016)
Post by: Mick_in_Switzerland on May 23, 2016, 08:43:25 AM
Dear Simon,

I have three metal Perry wagons as a supply train.  I also have a Warbases laser cut cart.  

I have three Hussite wagons that I made with wooden lollipop sticks about 10 years ago.  
These are big enough for four soldiers on 25mm slottabases and therefore look oversized next to the Perry wagons.

The new plasticard wagons were fun to make.  
They have the right balance between matching the aesthetic of the Perry wagons and being playable with troops.
I started painting them  yesterday evening and am pleased with the results so far.  I may make some more.

I still have not decided how to base them. – I like the idea of a scenic semi circle base of a defended wagon lager.

The casualties will get some more detail painting and some will have heraldry to match knights from Agincourt.

Mick
Title: Re: Mick’s Agincourt project (3 Wagons & 32 Casualties 22.5.2016)
Post by: DonVoss on May 23, 2016, 02:40:20 PM
Like the wagons...they look very cool.

Cheers,
Don
Title: Re: Mick’s Agincourt project (3 Wagons & 32 Casualties 22.5.2016)
Post by: Mick_in_Switzerland on May 23, 2016, 07:29:37 PM
Thanks DonVoss
Your plasticard wagons convinced me that I could do them too
Mick
Title: Re: Mick’s Agincourt project (3 Wagons & 32 Casualties 22.5.2016)
Post by: Dr. Zombie on May 24, 2016, 08:29:51 AM
It looks really great.

I use the same trays for my minis for my Hail Ceasar viking project. I have added some "fillers" to the bases to thicken the ranks a bit. That might be an idea for you? At least for the french to give them a bit more of a horde feel. I love the idea of casualties to mark an area of difficult ground. I am going to steal that idea.

(http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t75/Fredejensen/EAE6ED83-0CE4-48F8-B56F-565D52645BAB_zps3kigoyx6.jpg) (http://s157.photobucket.com/user/Fredejensen/media/EAE6ED83-0CE4-48F8-B56F-565D52645BAB_zps3kigoyx6.jpg.html)
(http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t75/Fredejensen/C5325623-EFB9-44C6-B47C-8B7A00DFD7B4_zpso5nd7g64.jpg) (http://s157.photobucket.com/user/Fredejensen/media/C5325623-EFB9-44C6-B47C-8B7A00DFD7B4_zpso5nd7g64.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Mick’s Agincourt project (3 Wagons & 32 Casualties 22.5.2016)
Post by: Mick_in_Switzerland on May 24, 2016, 07:55:52 PM
Dear DR Zombie,
I use the same trays for fantasy, Zulu war, ancients etc so fixed troops on the movement trays would not work for me.
I can see how it works well in your situation.

Mick
Title: Re: Mick’s Agincourt project (3 Wagons & 32 Casualties 22.5.2016)
Post by: Hupp n at em on May 24, 2016, 08:36:32 PM
The wagons look great, and I really like the basing of the crew to facilitate casualty removal - great planning.  :)
Title: Re: Mick’s Agincourt project
Post by: Mick_in_Switzerland on June 26, 2016, 03:56:09 PM
Here are six scratchbuilt wagons with crews from Perry plastic Agincourt French Army Set almost ready to refight the Battle of the Herrings.

(https://c3.staticflickr.com/8/7083/27883797026_04a137b0cd_o.jpg)

I have not decided how to base the wagons and would appreciate suggestions.

Title: Re: Mick’s Agincourt project (6 wagons & defenders 26th June)
Post by: von Lucky on June 26, 2016, 10:39:46 PM
MDF rectangles with chamfered edges and rounded corners? (Will make the interlocking scene above hard to recreate, but make them a lot more durable.)
Title: Re: Mick’s Agincourt project (6 wagons & defenders 26th June)
Post by: Mick_in_Switzerland on June 27, 2016, 07:32:49 AM
I want to use them for Lion Rampant but have not decided how to make them into units.

I could treat them as units of foot sergeants or crossbowmen in a defended position (behind an obstacle).
This would imply units of 12 figures.

I think visually, for the Battle of the Herrings, (and Hussite Wars) bases with 2 wagons placed in a curve with stakes, pavises and other baracades would look good.  I would not glue the wagons to the bases (possibly just with magnets) so that they can be rebased.

I could also use them as a baggage train for  Murten.

Mick
Title: Re: Mick’s Agincourt project (6 wagons & defenders 26th June)
Post by: Dave Knight on June 28, 2016, 09:42:54 PM
Mick - I don't know if you have Dragon Rampant?  Very similar to the historical version but units don't have to be 12 figures - it might work for the wagons 
Title: Re: Mick’s Agincourt project (6 wagons & defenders 26th June)
Post by: Mick_in_Switzerland on June 29, 2016, 08:59:27 AM
David,

I do have Dragon Rampant. I will have a read through and see if that helps.

There is also a proposed War Wagon unit on the Lion Rampant Forum but as far as I can tell, nobody has tried it.

Mick
Title: Re: Mick’s Agincourt project (6 wagons & defenders 26th June)
Post by: Mick_in_Switzerland on August 06, 2016, 07:11:50 PM
I revisited the casualties that I made in May and added some heraldry.

(https://c5.staticflickr.com/9/8863/28775681836_1872ce7e0b_o.jpg)

Title: Re: Mick’s Agincourt project (casualties revisited 6th August 2016)
Post by: Mark on May 16, 2018, 11:33:21 AM
Hi Mick,

A bit of threadomancy as I remembered your scratch built wagons. What dimensions did you use for the main body of the wagons? LxWxH would be much appreciated!

Cheers
Title: Re: Mick’s Agincourt project (casualties revisited 6th August 2016)
Post by: Mick_in_Switzerland on May 16, 2018, 12:20:06 PM
Dear Mark,

I will measure them tonight.
The dimensions are similar to the Perry Wagons but a bit wider to fit a 20mm base.
Regards

Mick
Title: Re: Mick’s Agincourt project (casualties revisited 6th August 2016)
Post by: Mark on May 16, 2018, 02:00:21 PM
Great, thanks Mick, much appreciated.
Title: Re: Mick’s Agincourt project (casualties revisited 6th August 2016)
Post by: Mick_in_Switzerland on May 16, 2018, 06:59:47 PM
The Wagon side panels are rectangles of about 1mm thick plasticard, 20mm x 67mm.
The back and front are trapeziums, 30mm wide at the top and 20mm wide at the bottom and 20mm high.

The four poles on the first version were wooden skewers but I replaced them with 2mm diameter round plastic rod x 76mm

The front box is made from Renedra bases out of a Perry figure set. The front is 20mm wide x 8mm high.
The top of the box is the drivers seat and is 22mm wide x 7mm. The sides are about 6mm wide x 8mm high.

The wheels are from Front Rank. I think they are EQ20 here
https://www.frontrank.com/product-category/18th-century/18th-century-equipment/ (https://www.frontrank.com/product-category/18th-century/18th-century-equipment/)
The axles are 1.6mm Brass Rod (I think)

The pole to attach the horses was made from 3mm square section plastic rod.
Title: Re: Mick’s Agincourt project (casualties revisited 6th August 2016)
Post by: Mark on May 16, 2018, 07:48:57 PM
Mick, thanks very much - you are a gentleman and a scholar.

Mine will be a bit bigger when I get round to them to accommodate 2p bases, but I will mirror the proportions as much as I can as yours look great.

I guess painting was a generic wood colour and a wash?

Cheers

Mark
Title: Re: Mick’s Agincourt project (casualties revisited 6th August 2016)
Post by: Mick_in_Switzerland on May 16, 2018, 08:02:17 PM
Paint was probably Vallejo Leather Brown or Chocolate Brown with a dark brown wash (e.g. Citadel Agrax Earthshade).
Title: Re: Mick’s Agincourt project (casualties revisited 6th August 2016)
Post by: Mark on May 17, 2018, 09:23:44 AM
Thanks Mick, much appreciated. Will share my results when I get round to them!
Title: Re: Mick’s Agincourt project (casualties revisited 6th August 2016)
Post by: Mick_in_Switzerland on November 25, 2021, 03:58:46 PM
It has been nearly two years without a real game against a human.
A work colleague, Michi and I played Agincourt using Lion Rampant (slightly modified to play Agincourt).

The French have three times as many soldiers, with 19 units against seven English units.

The activation rolls caused some surprises. One time, the French moved eleven units in one turn. Another time the French moved eight units in one turn.
The English were very unlucky, with four units of expert archers failing to shoot far too many times.

It looked like a historical result up to the last few turns. Wave after wave of French nobility where shot down in the ploughed fields.

Then it turned, and the English had some bad courage rolls. Two two units (Expert Archers and Expert Sergeants) disappeared after a small number of casualties.
First they were Battered and failed to rally, causing the units to be removed.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51704849184_4736d98593_o.jpg)
Title: Re: Mick’s Agincourt project (Game 24/11/2021)
Post by: Dave Knight on November 28, 2021, 11:04:55 AM
Quite different to when we played the battle  :)
Title: Re: Mick’s Agincourt project (Game 24/11/2021)
Post by: Mick_in_Switzerland on November 28, 2021, 07:10:39 PM
David,
I hope that the plague pauses for long enough that you can visit for a wargaming break.