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Title: New Prussian armour
Post by: Bullshott on October 12, 2008, 11:19:47 PM
Presenting the Flakdampfpanzerwagon I:

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3174/2936177608_a8f93632b6.jpg?v=0)

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3073/2936177798_62bc804a78.jpg?v=0)

Vehicle is from Ironclad. Gun is scratchbuilt with parts from my bits box and plastic rod and sheet. Crew are from Irregular WW1 range.

Title: Re: New Prussian armour
Post by: argsilverson on October 12, 2008, 11:26:02 PM
That is a very nice conversion!

Bravo.
Title: Re: New Prussian armour
Post by: Mr.Marx on October 12, 2008, 11:27:19 PM
Very Nice!

Anti-Zepplin mounting?

Regards
Mr.Marx
Title: Re: New Prussian armour
Post by: Bullshott on October 12, 2008, 11:30:47 PM
Very Nice!

Anti-Zepplin mounting?

Regards
Mr.Marx

Waiting for Malamute's British flyer  lol
Title: Re: New Prussian armour
Post by: argsilverson on October 12, 2008, 11:35:42 PM
I am also try to find some A/A gun suitable to be presented alongwith my VSF army.
I am trying to get  a gun with peculiar appearance, more VSF, I am thinking to use twin or quad pom-poms. What do you think?
Title: Re: New Prussian armour
Post by: Bullshott on October 13, 2008, 12:05:20 AM
I am also try to find some A/A gun suitable to be presented alongwith my VSF army.
I am trying to get  a gun with peculiar appearance, more VSF, I am thinking to use twin or quad pom-poms. What do you think?

A bit of history .... Pom-poms and similar concepts like the Hotchkiss revolver cannon originated as a result of the introduction of torpedo boats. Small guns capable of putting out a lot of firepower were seen as the best way of deterring the fast torpedo boats from getting close to battleships. With the introduction of aircraft the pom-pom was found to be a good means of defence against these too - hence the use of twin and quad weapons of this type in the first haldf of the 20th century.

Single-mounted pom-poms and revolver cannon on ships' mounts are available from London Warroom. I don't know anyone who makes twin or quad versions in 28mm. Alternatively look at manufacturers of WW2 equipment - the quad Maxim used by the Soviets could be perfect ....
 
Title: Re: New Prussian armour
Post by: argsilverson on October 13, 2008, 12:29:32 AM
I am also try to find some A/A gun suitable to be presented alongwith my VSF army.
I am trying to get  a gun with peculiar appearance, more VSF, I am thinking to use twin or quad pom-poms. What do you think?

A bit of history .... Pom-poms and similar concepts like the Hotchkiss revolver cannon originated as a result of the introduction of torpedo boats. Small guns capable of putting out a lot of firepower were seen as the best way of deterring the fast torpedo boats from getting close to battleships. With the introduction of aircraft the pom-pom was found to be a good means of defence against these too - hence the use of twin and quad weapons of this type in the first haldf of the 20th century.

Single-mounted pom-poms and revolver cannon on ships' mounts are available from London Warroom. I don't know anyone who makes twin or quad versions in 28mm. Alternatively look at manufacturers of WW2 equipment - the quad Maxim used by the Soviets could be perfect ....
 

Thanks Bullshot.
Another source could be ship's fittings.
Title: Re: New Prussian armour
Post by: Skrapwelder on October 13, 2008, 01:00:39 AM
Very nice.
Title: Re: New Prussian armour
Post by: Chairface on October 13, 2008, 01:31:10 AM
Its awesome! Fantastic work Bullshot!
Title: Re: New Prussian armour
Post by: BigMecha on October 13, 2008, 01:47:43 AM
awesome!!!!
Title: Re: New Prussian armour
Post by: commissarmoody on October 13, 2008, 04:26:57 AM
Vary nice
Title: Re: New Prussian armour
Post by: Trencher on October 13, 2008, 05:35:09 AM
Very nice. An excellent scratchbuild of a BAK*! 8) 8) 8)
Good to take a German 1906/1909 concept into VSF. A brilliant idea! One suggestion for an otherwise great vehicle: You'll need a little fence (made of some wire...) for the BAK crew. Otherwise they might be roasted at the boiler due to the bumpy ride.  lol ;)
I should get me some of those VSF vehicles, too.



*=Ballon Abwehr Kanone

Title: Re: New Prussian armour
Post by: Malamute on October 13, 2008, 08:24:20 AM
Very Nice!

Anti-Zepplin mounting?

Regards
Mr.Marx

Waiting for Malamute's British flyer  lol


Its on its way ;)

Very nicely done. I like the crew figures :)
Title: Re: New Prussian armour
Post by: Gluteus Maximus on October 13, 2008, 09:07:07 AM
I hope Malamute's flyer is well armoured! Prussia definitely has an advantage in the arms race with this. I like your use of WW1 figures repainted to a more VSF looking uniform.

Not knowing too much about WW1, I assume there are differences between them and late 19thC, but not too glaring? I assume the weapons would be different, but again WW1 would not be too different in looks from 19thC?

Would 1914 German infantry, Uhlans etc do as 1890s equivalents?  There are a lot of very nice early WW1 figures, which I'm tempted to use for my VSF gaming.
Title: Re: New Prussian armour
Post by: thejammedgatling on October 13, 2008, 09:30:44 AM
Those Prussians have far too much armour. I expect they are all getting fat and lazy riding around in those contraptions. Not like the good 'ol Tommy slogging it away on foot. Hurrah!

Nice conversion!
Title: Re: New Prussian armour
Post by: Overlord on October 13, 2008, 09:45:02 AM
Nice work Bullshot.  8)
It is, of course, doomed to failure against the forces of Her Majesty (Gawd bless 'Er)  :D
Title: Re: New Prussian armour
Post by: Plynkes on October 13, 2008, 09:48:44 AM
Gluteus, am I understanding you correctly? In games with flyers and land ironclads you're worrying about uniform details?  :)

The rifle the Germans used in the Great War was the Gewehr 98, so called because it came out in 1898. So just sneaks into the Victorian period. Before that they were using a different model of Mauser which looked a bit different but not so much as to worry about.


The German army switched to field grey in 1910, but the actual style of the uniform wasn't really very different to what came before other than the colour. Most of the Germans I've seen in VSF lately have been Renegade WWI figures with paint conversions. The Pickelhaube cover that really makes a figure look like it comes from the Great War was actually introduced in 1892, so isn't out of place in a late Victorian era game.
Title: Re: New Prussian armour
Post by: Rabbitz on October 13, 2008, 11:01:51 AM
Excellent stuff,   More of it I say  :-*
Title: Re: New Prussian armour
Post by: Gluteus Maximus on October 13, 2008, 11:15:00 AM
Gluteus, am I understanding you correctly? In games with flyers and land ironclads you're worrying about uniform details?  :)

 lol   Yes, I am a sad git  :(

I'm not really too worried about minor details - as you say it is VSF, after all - I just like to have things look "right".

Thanks for the uniform help, I'll now be happy to paint 1914 Germans as 1890's Prussians!
Title: Re: New Prussian armour
Post by: Malamute on October 13, 2008, 11:31:09 AM
Gluteus, am I understanding you correctly? In games with flyers and land ironclads you're worrying about uniform details?  :)

 lol   Yes, I am a sad git  :(

I'm not really too worried about minor details - as you say it is VSF, after all - I just like to have things look "right".

Thanks for the uniform help, I'll now be happy to paint 1914 Germans as 1890's Prussians!

Gluteus Old Boy if you are looking for an alternative Prussian army look at the Helion figures from the 1866 campaign. They are fairly new releases and very nice they are too.
http://www.wargames.helion.co.uk/default.asp?
Title: Re: New Prussian armour
Post by: Gluteus Maximus on October 13, 2008, 12:10:53 PM
Gluteus Old Boy if you are looking for an alternative Prussian army look at the Helion figures from the 1866 campaign. They are fairly new releases and very nice they are too.
http://www.wargames.helion.co.uk/default.asp?

Ah yes, those are lovely. They are very reasonably priced, too  :)

Having made a conscious decision to stop being sad and pedantic, I'll ignore the rifles as the differences probably aren't important anyway The only thing I can't see that would be necessary are artillerymen, but Bullshott's Irregular Minis look the part.

I seem to recognize those Helion figures from some splendid game and LPL photos posted a while ago and really should have remembered them ......   ;)

Title: Re: New Prussian armour
Post by: argsilverson on October 13, 2008, 12:51:21 PM
Gluteus, am I understanding you correctly? In games with flyers and land ironclads you're worrying about uniform details?  :)

 lol   Yes, I am a sad git  :(

I'm not really too worried about minor details - as you say it is VSF, after all - I just like to have things look "right".

Thanks for the uniform help, I'll now be happy to paint 1914 Germans as 1890's Prussians!

Gluteus Old Boy if you are looking for an alternative Prussian army look at the Helion figures from the 1866 campaign. They are fairly new releases and very nice they are too.
http://www.wargames.helion.co.uk/default.asp?

Yes they are nice figures. I have some few samples of them and they are  really nice, although a little slim compared to the renegade etc.
Sorry, I have no pics, but if you want I will check them against my other Prussians and will tell you.
Title: Re: New Prussian armour
Post by: Thunderchicken on October 13, 2008, 01:22:43 PM
Great stuff Sir H! I'm wondering what you've done with the turret. 
Title: Re: New Prussian armour
Post by: answer_is_42 on October 13, 2008, 02:23:32 PM
I love it! Quick question though; how do the crew get up/down from the roof? Is there a hatch we can't see, or is it a step-ladder job?
Looking forward to more.
Title: Re: New Prussian armour
Post by: Bullshott on October 13, 2008, 09:54:27 PM
I love it! Quick question though; how do the crew get up/down from the roof? Is there a hatch we can't see, or is it a step-ladder job?
Looking forward to more.

If you look closely at the pics you will see a hatch two hatches on the roof - one above each door (made with plasticard and plastic rod).
Title: Re: New Prussian armour
Post by: twrchtrwyth on October 14, 2008, 01:29:33 AM
Great conversion. And nice to see Irregular Miniatures being used, they have a lot of useful stuff. 8)
Title: Re: New Prussian armour
Post by: Sterling Moose on October 14, 2008, 03:06:24 AM
Excellent.  Great to see so many credible contraptions coming out of the VSF stable.