Lead Adventure Forum
Miniatures Adventure => Medieval Adventures => Topic started by: Menhir Games on August 07, 2015, 09:10:25 PM
-
We have the KStarter preview!
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/nickryan/637933305?token=98e0b482
The last 2 pledges, has a 35-38% discount, aimed for people with local shops, they will get lots of pieces at practically 1 dollar each! :)
Salutes, enjoy!
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-u4PObKGkL8w/VcLFogrYk1I/AAAAAAAABec/RzuV8luP36g/s1600/DarkAgeOutpost_Preview2BIS.jpg)
Hello people from LeadAdventure! I wanted to share with you that me, Menhir Games (www.menhirgames.com.ar) together Idyllwild Games (Facebook: "BattleAxe: Northern Wars") will be launching in September a Kickstarter campaign to fund a plastic kit that will serve to build a "Dark Age Outpost", consisting of: palisade wall sections, a tower and a gate.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-dphrrLvQc4E/Va53VWa3pvI/AAAAAAAABb0/dYr5S5egDkc/s1600/puerta1.png)
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-QTHLk28XxPU/Va53cE9BncI/AAAAAAAABcE/6XsQQy1hl-0/s1600/torre1.png)
Printed PROTOTYPES:
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-5Jrb-Va8gNo/VZr-OVJ7hqI/AAAAAAAABY0/xSmw15ikt-Y/s1600/wall1.png)
All will be made in injected brown hard plastic (HIPS), and will also be acompained by themed 28mm miniatures stretch goals that will be made in metal; first renders of the miniatures shows 2 Kings , an archer and a spearmen. Also, there will be a sword man, an axeman and mounted versions of the kings.
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Xj1alWsrvm0/VcT0A-aqX0I/AAAAAAAABfE/uM4PEmJKm68/s1600/TODOS4.png)
-
The figures look terrible, but...that outpost has some serious potential.
-
I like the figures. The outpost is very interesting. Keep us posted please :)
-
The fort is a nice idea but the detail on the render looks very soft and lacks definition. Currently it looks more like the fortification pieces in a $1.99 bag of army men than a quality plastic kit.
-
Don't mince your words, Elbows. lol But yeah, I think the figures aren't quite there. They seem a bit disproportionate. The heads are quite small, which wouldn't be so bad for a 'true' scale mini, but the problem is they seem quite small against all the other chunky, 'heroic' scale details. Especially that bow.
The palisade walls aren't too bad, but some of those details seem a bit chunky too. Big chunky hinges with big chunky offset nails, a big chunky ladder moulded right into the side of the tower. I dunno. I'm definitely no architectural archaeologist, but to me it seems almost more Warhammer than Dark Ages.
... which why it was posted in the fantasy board, presumably?
-
I don't know how renders convert into 3D models/scenery but if those renders are anything like the finished product I'll pass. The wall sections don't look natural enough to me ( to many straight lines, with randomly drawn inserted detail ) and the miniatures remind me a bit of the Lionheart Game. Good enough - by far - for playing pieces, but they lack a bit detail, pose and finesse to compete with wargaming figures.
But having said that, I hope you will prove me wrong and release some great Dark Age models and scenery ;).
-
From the look here (haven't visited the page) I just thought these were board-game esque plastic stuff. I think some of the talented folks here could turn the palisades into something genuinely good. I'd assume they're not overly expensive.
-
Yep, it the price is right, I'll be all over these!
-
Hello people, thanks for your comments.
In context, this is not a historicaly accurate set of buildings and miniatures, they are however clearly inspired by "dark ages" vikings. As the minaitures and building set are going to later be part of a boardgame (mostly the miniatures), they are designed to be strong and durable (thats why they-the mianitures are chubby and ONE part), while the building set has exagerated parts for the simple reason that everyone that has ever made metal/resin/plastic things, knows that thinny bits may be easyly broken/bend.
The gate as you see it, has 10 diferent parts, it is a fully functional one: it has 1 frame, 2 door, 1 lock, 2 hooks (to hold the lock) and 4 hinges. Once you assemble it (with some glue) the final gate will have 4 pieces: the frame, 2 movable doors and the lock.
There you can imagine that making a true scale gate would mean very small andfragile hinges and "hooks". However i agree that the heads can be a bit scaled up, thanks for that!
So, all in all, we have complex/multipart pieces (tower is 7 parts) that aim for 28mm "non necesary true scale" wargaming, and boardgaming.
Regarding details looking soft, it may be because of the type of rendering that i selected..
And as i shortly pointed out, the miniatures design has the 2 limitations : being for a boardgame (therefore, "chubby") and 1 part models, so i , as sculptor was very limited, i actually like/prefer true scale, here you can see models in 28mm multipart i have made (some pics are quite not the best, i am working on getting better)
http://menhirgames.blogspot.com.ar/2015/03/painted-models-2.html
And herethe 3D renders of the same models:
http://menhirgames.blogspot.com.ar/2014/06/3d-renders-updating-it.html
regarding price, while it is not a 2 dollar bag the prices will be very near this:
$22 basic set: 12 walls (55 centimetres) 2 towers 1 gate
$42 medium set: 24 walls (110cm) 4 towers 2 gate
$60 big set : 36 walls (165cm) 6 towers 3 gates
-
Maybe this pics help to give a better view: (note that they are just 3D prints, and the top of the tower walls are bent to the outside)
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/--xyFScd5lLs/VZr-gJEPvLI/AAAAAAAABZM/b8wX7eZzWBc/s1600/wall4.png)
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-uWrQ076gVEs/VZr-UxV1hcI/AAAAAAAABY8/1T18cC-1gyk/s1600/wall3.png)
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-hIQB1JpDpn8/VZr-ZGqDpVI/AAAAAAAABZE/Iv-iR7cK9Tg/s1600/wall2.png)
-
Looks about right to me, esp price-wise.
-
yes, with the $60 you can cover a 120-160cm table, not counting the gates and the little towers, that would sum up about 2 metres long defense! .. or a nice 60cm diamater circle camp :)
-
The quality of the photos are pretty awful, and hard to see what the thing really looks like, but at that price, if it is a decent quality I'd definitely be interested in using it as the basis for some hill fort terrain.
-
The figures look terrible, but...that outpost has some serious potential.
I'm afraid that I agree about the miniature, for example, that bow would require a giant to draw. The weapons are all very oversized and the general posing od the mini's is very static.
Having said that the 'outpost' does seem to have some potential 8)
Darrell.
-
Well! 2 more models are sculpted to join the dark age outpost, the axeman with leather jacket and the swordman with chainmail.
You will notice that the archer and spearmen heads have been sized up a bit, as it was noticed they were quite small.
While the miniatures will be produced in metal for this campaign, you will notice that the models are designed in such "simple" way, because in the future the same models will be made in plastic, for an upcoming boardgame called "BattleAxe".
That is the reason the models are 1 part, and with simpler details, to be "mouldable" in the future.
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-T8WdfJ9ffl0/VdPEr6AGjJI/AAAAAAAABgM/E7fFOvcD6-g/s1600/WEBAxeSword.png)
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-RsXoihebLaA/VdPErhslz0I/AAAAAAAABgE/9chI_1FToYc/s1600/WEBarcherspear.png)
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-HNyqc-OtcnQ/VdPErgqhv5I/AAAAAAAABgI/9qhU1-ht438/s1600/WEBothKings.png)
Salutes!
-
Not bad, and certainly better than the plastic tat some company is passing off these days...
#cough#*@ Sigmar!##@+ cough#*
:)
-
Yeah, they are not that bad, and certainly better than the metal tat some produce.
Good luck with your venture.
-
That pallisade looks useful.
-
nice pallisades indeed, did also like their 15 mm medieval stuff
-
Thanks for the comments guys (and the critics), we are aiming to really offer some nice generic scenery at a reasonable price.
I have good news, and that is the KStarter preview!
You will notice that all pledge levels receive nice freebies, and the higher the peldge is, the more freebies you receive. They are total real freebies, of the same pieces/models funded in the campaign, so no crazy , unreal and out of delivery time freebies spam :)
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/nickryan/637933305?token=98e0b482
The last 2 pledges, has a 35-38% discount, aimed for people with local shops, they will get lots of pieces at practically 1 dollar each! :)
Salutes, enjoy!
-
...And the palisade wall sections have no fighting platform?
-
They are simple palisades, a taller one with "fighting platform", or an attachable platform is planned.
-
The Kstarter campaign starts TOMORROW, september 1st!
You can already start sharing & liking the Idylwild Games facebook page (surely there will be facebook likes bonus!):
https://www.facebook.com/idyllwildgames?
http://idyllwildgames.com/
We are already sculpting more pieces to be made in plastic, as stretch goals
:D
Thanks!
-
The prices look pretty good, I would probably pledge just to try them out at that price level. ;)
-
I'll pledge. I voted for stone walls. It was hard between that and the keep but I felt stone walls led to a wide audience and could also be used to make a keep with a bit of extra work.
-
I delayed, but yes! started:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/nickryan/dark-age-outpost-28mm-terrain-and-miniature-set
Regarding to stone walls, nick forgot to add in the pool they are "low-stone walls", not like fortress big walls; we want to keep it as a outpost, village-level plastic kit.
This is a wip of the stone wall:
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ocbM1eR1yJw/VeXlJbyAnkI/AAAAAAAABjo/135s1i1H_s4/s1600/muroROca.jpg)
Thanks for your support guys!
-
Well consider my vote for stone walls changed to the Keep then :) THey still look good though.
Pledged.
-
Hi, here there is a WIP of the keep, it has no planks/trunks details of course, it is the basic structure and the joint system, i esigned it so there is NO need of glue.
The floors can be inserted and pulled off easily while the tower stays assembled thanks to the horizontal planks whose ends enclose tightly :)
I love it!
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-gtOaadk5D5I/Vee9xBZMOuI/AAAAAAAABkA/oG9tdxlxtWg/s1600/KEEP1.png)
-
Looks good for a starter but will it be able to be made multiple ways such as twice the length or height etc?
-
it will come with 3 floors and 6 walls: 3 normal and 3 with gates so you can make a Gate-keep or a normal one, and use the 1 floor and 2 spare walls to stratch build what you like.
However if you own 2 keeps set, you can actually will be able to make 3 keeps with the spare parts.
not to mention that each keep set brigns 3 ladders as well , so you wuold be having 3 keeps and 6 ladders! :D
We aim to do stand alone parts. Combinable and "level up" system will be done in the future for sure (i am already sketching the system haah)
-
Nice to see this taking off, hopefully you reach that funding goal and get to the unlock for the keep! I will be pledging, just have to figure out how much I can spare. 8)
-
I'm in at gold but am hoping to be able to stretch that out to the merchant level. Doubtful but I'm still hoping.
-
Put in for Silver
-
Thanks guys! Now the campaign is also EU friendly!
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/nickryan/dark-age-outpost-28mm-terrain-and-miniature-set/posts/1343570
And at this moment we are 95% funded so, basically we have 30 full days of unlockign stretch goals!
THANKS.
-
It looks usefull as terrain for SAGA so I backed at the bronze level.
-
it will come with 3 floors and 6 walls: 3 normal and 3 with gates so you can make a Gate-keep or a normal one, and use the 1 floor and 2 spare walls to stratch build what you like.
However if you own 2 keeps set, you can actually will be able to make 3 keeps with the spare parts.
Hey that's pretty cool - buy 2 and get 1 free, through spare parts. Nice!
-
Hi! i wanted to share the components of the outpost updrage kit :) they are rough renders tho.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-wr4DtrEbYn8/VeoXNlaC_II/AAAAAAAABkk/F3NAMFu9how/s1600/stockpile1.jpg)
-
Just noting that in HIPS you could sharpen the edges to make them appear less chunky. The heavy radius makes the renders look more like PP or PE like you find in cheap toys.
-
155% funded guys!! really nice, it didnt stoped GROWING during the weekend.
New add ons!
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/nickryan/dark-age-outpost-28mm-terrain-and-miniature-set/posts/1345822
-
Congrats. Doing really well. I reckon once that keep gets unlocked you should get a lot more interest as well. I think it highly likely it will unlock too.
-
Sharpen those edges! :`
Only *three* more backers to the next 21K stretch goal!
Some pics from their previous project: http://menhirgames.blogspot.com.ar/2015/06/2nd-kickstarter-production.html
WIP of the stone wall. I'll actually find these more versatile than the wooden walls:
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ocbM1eR1yJw/VeXlJbyAnkI/AAAAAAAABjo/135s1i1H_s4/s1600/muroROca.jpg)
-
The keep! :D
(https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/004/471/465/1213232acd56d191f2459203930ab7fc_original.jpg?v=1441849523&w=639&fit=max&auto=format&q=92&s=afb74696b755104d1db2d686bfcba25f)
-
It appears to me that the stone walls look too suburban, rather than dux bellorum. I'd have thought they'd be more rugged, irregular.
-
Really does need to be aged a bit, everything is too linear and straight, does not look like a period construction. Still reminds me of the fortifications in the bags of 99c green army men.
The crossbeams on the keep there look as if they were cut with a precision laser saw.
l get that these are designed as boardgame counters rather than gaming scenery, but still, a bit more effort would make them into something with a potential far beyond a boardgame.
**edit**
Menhir have very sensibly (imho) just capped the free stretch goals to what is currently shown. With so long still to go on the campaign there was a real danger of it running away. They are now moving to paid add ons that will hopefully increase the scope of the fortifications while being self funding.
No doubt going to upset a certain segment of KS backers but financially a wise move.
-
I'm in as well, looks very interesting! I agree, at that price point I'll be happy to give them a go.
I'll most likely trade in the miniatures for extra add ons, they don't look like they'll match up well with my existing.
Thanks for the cross post to the Fantasy forum Ced, I hadn't seen this in the medieval :) Cheers!
-
Will you have that keep at sell separated from the set ?
-
Really does need to be aged a bit, everything is too linear and straight, does not look like a period construction. Still reminds me of the fortifications in the bags of 99c green army men.
Bang on the money.
It would look so much better if there was some warp, some mess, a touch more 'shamshackle' to it.
The figures look like toys or boardgame pieces and probably should be left as that.
-
Have to agree I'm afraid.
It's a very nice idea, but the execution via computer design is just too... well, plastic-looking.
Obviously painting, weathering, basing and so on will bring them up to a standard. But all the pieces really do look incredibly toy-like - sorry :(
If there's an opportunity to muss the components up a bit before going into full production, I really would take it.
That said, the keep/tower looks a bit better than the other pieces, so I'm sure it's a learning process :)
-
3D printout, up close:
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/--xyFScd5lLs/VZr-gJEPvLI/AAAAAAAABZM/b8wX7eZzWBc/s1600/wall4.png)
A few more: http://forum.reapermini.com/index.php?/topic/63575-menhirgames-28mm-plastic-set-dark-age-outpost/page-6
-
Update coming soon but i will post it here because i am quite anxious: With 22 walls section (18 curved + 4 straight) 4 towers, 2 gates and 2 keep i made a DUAL motte and bailey fort... with the rest of pieces you would build the small town palisade.. and with the lumber kit, the bridge/ramps :)
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-nFtdM6oX7Z0/VfZJ1WIZqBI/AAAAAAAABlU/pB0KRn9s5rA/s1600/CASTILLO1.png)
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-rENVxG171Kw/VfZJ31d-G_I/AAAAAAAABlc/O0Qjo5ENkow/s1600/CASTILLO2.png)
Regarding detail level , as i said couple times, we look to make terrain for big audience, generic, not "boutique terrain", that kind of product is made with resin, and is very expensive.
However i personally admit that, while this is plastic and have limitations regarding details (due the moulds being solid metal, instead ok soft rubber) it could have a little extra detail, or a textured surface, i will see how to "age" it a bit, but wont be on the 3D renders. You can always just wait to the product be produced and buy it later after seing the improvments.
Thanks!
-
I have backed this at one of the lower levels to make up a Rohan settlement stockade for LotR games. Fully expecting to be faced with a lot of work to take it from "toy" to "model" quality.
The idea is great (as are the potential further developments) and hopefully the basis is decent enough that it can be suitably improved.
True HIP styrene should be easy enough to carve and etch and I am thinking of it made into 6" or probably 8" modular sections mounted on an earth bank like a hill fort.
-
Just a suggestion..... isn't it about time that this got moved to the Commercial section?
It just seems a wee bit unfair on other folks who are attempting to sell too.
As I say, just a suggestion :)
Darrell.
-
Just a suggestion..... isn't it about time that this got moved to the Commercial section?
According to the Prof:
To complement our existing Bazaar boards, which are primarily directed at private users, we have decided to introduce a "Commercial Board":
http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?board=80.0
The purpose of this board is to allow commercial miniature companies to post general news on their companies. This would include the following:
• The opening of a new or revamped online store
• Special offers and other events
NOTE THAT THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE SPECIFIC PRODUCT NEWS. If your company is about to release a new product or if you wish to showcase work-in-progress items, please use the appropriate period board as it will more easily reach your target audience there. For multi-period items, use the board which is most appropriate; for tools, paints etc., best use the Workbench.
http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=57144.0
A Dark Age outpost seems to me like a specific product, rightly posted to the appropriate period board.
But I hope that everyone remembers this, too, from the Forum rules, especially all those new members who pop up these days to tell us about their Kickstarters:
If you run your own gaming-related business, you may advertise new product on a moderate scale; nonetheless, if that is the case, we strongly encourage you to make a contribution (via the Paypal Donate button) to support the LAF and ensure it will keep running (servers and traffic aren’t free, after all). It would not be fair for companies to use the LAF as a cheap “billboard” while the common user supports it with donations.
http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=16293.0
-
When the campaign ends and we receive the funds i will donate to this page, it deserves it, i apologizes if i sounded like spammer.
-
It's okay. One thread is not exactly spamming :)
There's no obligation to donate, although it is certainly polite when heavy commercial users promote their stuff via the forum, for them to do so.
Some do, some don't. It's not compulsory.
And your one thread is not really heavy commercial use compared to some.
Besides which, I believe the donation facility is currently offline, so you couldn't donate even if you wanted to :)
As Steve says, the forum rules allow posting of commercial stuff of particular interest to specific periods to the relevant period board, so it's okay here in the Dark Ages / Medieval area.
The fort is starting to look rather good. With a bit more detailing, I can see it being very good, and as robh says, it would make a good centrepiece for a hill fort.
-
"Important to note is that the paints are of low quality 3D prints, not real quality parts, those 3D print are 100 microns, while the real quality will be 25microns, same used for my miniatures :)"
At 55K, the plastic hovels add-on will be available for $15, for two small or one larger hovel. Each gold level has 9' of plastic walls, twelve towers, five gates, three keeps, accessories, and $53 trade-in for the pewter pieces for plastic.
(https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/004/513/430/241533a6450e351856b069f5f21999f9_original.jpg?v=1442468513&w=639&fit=max&auto=format&q=92&s=e5bdbb15f04c79c5bd7ccbc1ad6501a2)
(https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/004/513/431/a3f6cab63985e314baea3763e3cb4a88_original.jpg?v=1442468531&w=639&fit=max&auto=format&q=92&s=8a0539910212173d30d7e9210ce560de)
-
7.5K to hovels!
Each hovel $15 add-on contains two hovels which can be combined into a larger house. Multiple hovels can make a long hall.
You can trade in the pewter miniatures for $53 in credit for plastic items!
(https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/004/543/840/6ee57f4a6e6c2af42b35bc03811c65fd_original.jpg?v=1442900485&w=639&fit=max&auto=format&q=92&s=45eb2d8668d78eee579897f651ca75b3)
(https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/004/543/864/cd65c8501c5d7bfdf07bcccc061e7913_original.jpg?v=1442900815&w=639&fit=max&auto=format&q=92&s=7b133f03a7c01b1f8ee7c72e72192d39)
-
Hi! here a bring proper big renders:
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-RjjB9D4soLs/VgTZoHG2_GI/AAAAAAAABl8/Pzg4Whb6p8M/s1600/HOVELAA.png)
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ijyBkP1mGJA/VgTZltbA4rI/AAAAAAAABl0/WyE5BGVpfUI/s1600/HOVELABB.png)
-
Very very cool those!
Hope the next stretch goal is reached.
-
70K reached!
Anvil! Blacksmith tools! Fish rack! Beehives!
(https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/004/621/374/375b24cc05dab6c35103a3151555ef59_original.jpg?v=1443898411&w=639&fit=max&auto=format&q=92&s=d73a7fe9f0b6dbe1a1b5bf9f4ca32525)
-
Lot of buzz about those beehives.
-
More buzz :D More beehives! Only 6K for more freebies! :D
(https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/004/628/493/0a1961247c3b74e50c582365347f8a4c_original.jpg?v=1444036400&w=639&fit=max&auto=format&q=92&s=36d802b46a8eed061bcd23cc1ec8bed7)
-
81K! Ever gold member gets... FREE BEES!!!
(Haha. Freebies. Free bees. Nevermind. :D
-
lol Looking forward to my freebees.