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Miniatures Adventure => Future Wars => Topic started by: tnjrp on August 21, 2015, 12:44:45 PM
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Hmm, didn't really expect this one. Not much info there yet tho. It'll be interesting to see the mechanics.
http://doctorwhominiaturesgame.com/
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Ha, you beat me to post this! I'm intrigued to see whee this goes, as it looks to be along the lines of the existing game - did Warlord buy up the existing game to use as a framework?
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The existing game is a fan-made one by Crooked Dice. Did they ever have an official licence?
Black Tree Design no longer have the licence, but they are supposedly allowed to finish selling their existing casts. They seem to find new casts in a corner of the workshop every few years...
Plastic Daleks... :D
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Methinks I'll be placing an order at Crooked Dice sooner rather than later. Say no more...
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John Lambshead seems to be the writer...
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All new game, all new figures. Show your support of the 'Stalwarts' by buying at CD and Heresy, plus even Black Tree and Who North America who kept the torch alive.
And be ready for the WOW! Effect from Warlord...
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Yeah, it'll be interesting to see what happens to all the "not xxx" figures. I think I have all the ones I want, but I'd probably better check...
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I have mixed feelings about this. We have been running a Who game with home baked rules and will likely continue to do so. I would like to have some modern Cybermen and some well done modern Silurians. I was under impressed by the Terminator Game miniatures. This was especially the case with the tiny, resin, expensive character figures which didn't seem to look like anyone.
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Interesting development. I predict the quiet demise of Beyond the Gates of Antares.
I am all in for modern Plastic Daleks. The original Citadel ones were actually pretty good but undersized next to modern figs.
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Just notices Kamandi, "What, the animal speaks!!" lol
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I really like the Crooked Dice and Heresy figures. I might have to order the ones I don't have, just in case. I hope the Warlord ones don't end up too over-caricatured. Plastic cybermen and daleks must surely be on the cards. It seems like a shrewd move for Warlord; I had no interest in Beyond the Gates of Anteres but I've already subscribed to the Dr Who newsletter. I imagine I'm not alone!
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Between this and "Doctor Who: The Complete History" ( http://www.dwcompletehistory.com (http://www.dwcompletehistory.com) ), I think I can wave goodbye to the concept of "disposable income" for the forseeable future.
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I like that this will cover all Doctors.
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I quite like the DWMG we already have but will keep an eye on this one.
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Very interesting. It seems almost disloyal to look forward to this when others have kept this going for years with professional quality free rules. I may keep to the free rules but use the figures to expand.
There is a limit to how far you can go with "not" sculpts, and I definitely want a box of plastic Cybermen.
Warlord will have paid a fair bit for the licence so we can expect lots of goodies.
And a box of plastic 70's UNIT troops.
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Andy at Heresy (http://www.heresyminiatures.com/shop/) is celebrating the end of his dragon saga with 30% off all figures until midnight tonight, then 25% off until the 9th September. Given how many "not" figures are on his site, it may be your last chance to buy them before he has to remove them (this happened with his not predator figures - possibly by Prodos Games (if memory serves)).
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The fact that Warlord is releasing a range of actual, proper, bonafide Doctor Who miniatures is fantastic news!
I really hope that they don't go down the C&D route with other boutique companies who produce 'not' figures. For a start, and without wishing to re-tread the whole IP infringement argument, there would be all sorts of arguments as to what minis infringe, and what doesn't (ok, some are pretty blatant, but not all).
I'd love to see Warlord and everyone associated with this project cover themselves in glory with this project, and not get tarred with some horrible GW brush if they try to go legal.
If the new sculpts are good and not too expensive, then there's no reason why they can't exist in parallel with the 'not' minis. After all, they will be the genuine article - an actual Tom Baker 4th Doctor miniature for example and not some generic guy in a floppy hat and scarf!
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My main issue is the fact the rules are likely to be based upon Bolt Action (not a fan)
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I really hope that they don't go down the C&D route with other boutique companies who produce 'not' figures.
That's not quite how it works. It's generally the licensor - in this case the BBC - who send out C&Ds. Basically they've decided to licence a property. A company pays them a great deal of money for exclusive rights. That company then contacts the Beeb and says "Excuse me, but we gave to pay for this, so why don't they?" In order to continue selling the licence, the Beeb has to defend it's IP, even when it previously turned a blind eye.
From experience, I reckon that the cost of losing half your 'not' business is greater than the cost of securing a legitimate licence. But that's the risk you take when you knowingly sail close to the wind.
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I thinks it's inevitable that we're going to see some not-figures go OOP, especially those that resemble Docs & assistants. I just hope Warlord aren't arseholes and don't make an issue about figures that resemble characters or monsters they've no plans to produce themselves.
Considering the quality of the sculpts, I'd hate to see some figures go OOP and would hope that Warlord would offer to buy the molds and put them out themselves rather than risk producing inferior figures. But then I also believe in world peace.
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Sadly Warlord already have a history of buying up licences to stuff or pushing fringe pet projects for a couple of months, and then failing to support it properly resulting in it fading into obscurity. I'm afraid I have more hope than expectation that this will be different.
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Warlord do also have a habit of buying up figure ranges that they like. And they're good people, so you never know!
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"pushing fringe pet projects for a couple of months"
That's my worry. It'll kill off the competing stuff, they'll ship three lead miniatures of recent Doctors for a tenner apiece, a couple of plastic boxes of daleks and then it'll all go quiet.
And TBH, rules based on the new series will suck. Run Doctor across table, make grandiose gesture, make a Sonic Screwdriver roll to see if 1-3: Time is reset with a red special effect or 4-6: Time is reset with a blue special effect..
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I thinks it's inevitable that we're going to see some not-figures go OOP, especially those that resemble Docs & assistants.
It's hard to prove they're likenesses though and not generic humans. Ship them with a pistol rather than a screwdriver and they're spy minis. Stick the screwdrivers on a tool sprue and no-one will know.
BTD and their Tardis like storeroom full of "old stock" will be the first against the wall. They've been taking the proverbial for a while with all the advantages of the licence without paying out any cash. That's my worry. It'll kill off the competing stuff, they'll ship three lead miniatures of recent Doctors for a tenner apiece, a couple of plastic boxes of daleks and then it'll all go quiet.
Placcy Daleks and Cybermen would do nicely. Some 70s UNIT and a few Ice Warriors and the like would make me happy.
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I don't think Warlord could be criticised if at some point they chose to report others to the BBC. They will have paid handsomely for the licence. It's a commercial environment they operate in not a cuddly federation of mates. I suspect Black Tree will have to stop, as their figures are clearly not generic. They've had their day [a very long day!] and some of the sculpts are very dated. I'd like to see what someone else can do.
As to the "lookalikes", we've been grateful for these , but I think that's probably over when there's going to be an official range. Fortunately there's plenty more they can do with 60's/70's cult tv so there will be plenty of goodies for everyone.
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Considering the quality of the sculpts, I'd hate to see some figures go OOP and would hope that Warlord would offer to buy the molds and put them out themselves rather than risk producing inferior figures. But then I also believe in world peace.
Ths would be the ideal scenario (plus world peace would be rather nice too).
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I don't think Warlord could be criticised if at some point they chose to report others to the BBC. They will have paid handsomely for the licence. It's a commercial environment they operate in not a cuddly federation of mates.
It's a commercial environment but it's also a niche market. I wouldn't blame them for wanting to be protective of their licence, but it doesn't mean they'd have to be bastards about it. I'm sure C & Ds should be the last resort.
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Some of the "not" figures are a fairly generic bunch.
There have been a few that I couldn't recognise without someine telling me what they were.
Once I knew, it was reasonably obvious. But half the recognition comes from how you paint them. If they are just plain metal, some of the (plain human) figures could be almost anyone.
Paint a not-Pertwee figure in cape with a white face and black hair and you have a "Phantom of the Opera" possible - or will that attract another C&D option?
Warlord have a big marketing arm, and mass production. If they feel threatened by a cottage industry, let's hope they have the good grace to offer to buy out any decent moulds and make them more widely available, rather than just getting them whacked.
I hope they might - after all Foundry still make Dad's Army figures.
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I'm keen to have more Who minis, but I have to say, I'm a bit worried about this.
I'm a big fan of the Doctor Who Adventures in Time and Space RPG, I have ten books for the game and love running it. However, it is completely pitched at New Who fans, even the Classic Doctor Sourcebooks (1-7) have large sections dedicated to tying them into the Time War and New Who adventures. The worst is the Sixth Doctor Sourcebook, which has an entire chapter dedicated to tying Trial of a Time Lord into the Time War. F**k off. (In case you can't tell, I don't care for New Who)
Worse yet, many of the pre-generated character stats for Classic Doctors, Companions and Monsters are just plain wrong (Doctor 7 is a bad liar, Jamie's not much of a fighter and Mel is bad with technology) because the people writing the game don't care about the Classic Show.
And do you like the Big Finish or New Adventures stuff? Sucks to be you. It's never coming to the RPG. Ever. :?
Put simply, we're going to see a 28mm Jackie Tyler long before we see a Celestial Toymaker and we'll NEVER see a Charlie, Fitz or Bennie. Sure, there'll be all eight Doctors and four posers pretty quick, but that'll just be a ploy to keep the Classic fans calm whilst fifteen alternate poses of Clara are made.
I just refuse to get excited over a game that's going to take 5-6 years MINIMUM to get to the stuff I want.
Ok... Rant over... ::)
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"pushing fringe pet projects for a couple of months"
That's my worry. It'll kill off the competing stuff, they'll ship three lead miniatures of recent Doctors for a tenner apiece, a couple of plastic boxes of daleks and then it'll all go quiet.
And TBH, rules based on the new series will suck. Run Doctor across table, make grandiose gesture, make a Sonic Screwdriver roll to see if 1-3: Time is reset with a red special effect or 4-6: Time is reset with a blue special effect..
Pfhaha! lol I was thinking something similar. If it's focussed on the new series, there's going to be a few movement rules and not much else.
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Well, interesting to see where this leads, anyways...
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I'm keen to have more Who minis, but I have to say, I'm a bit worried about this
Join the club Brother ;)
I'm a big fan of the Doctor Who Adventures in Time and Space RPG, I have ten books for the game and love running it. However, it is completely pitched at New Who fans, even the Classic Doctor Sourcebooks (1-7) have large sections dedicated to tying them into the Time War and New Who adventures.
I still run a modified version of the FASA Doctor Who RPG, though not to everyones tastes - I've ALWAYS loved it. I've got all the C7 stuff too - but tend to just use it as source material for the FASA RPG :D
The worst is the Sixth Doctor Sourcebook, which has an entire chapter dedicated to tying Trial of a Time Lord into the Time War. F**k off. (In case you can't tell, I don't care for New Who)
I'm with you there (I actually belly laughed when I first read that) but I like New Who Too (Goo Goo Ca-Choo), the worst 'thing' like that from the FASA RPG was the writers attempt in the Master Sourcebook to insist the Meddling Monk was an earlier incarnation of the Master (as if) - it happens with writers, we all have dumb ideas sometimes. :?
Worse yet, many of the pre-generated character stats for Classic Doctors, Companions and Monsters are just plain wrong (Doctor 7 is a bad liar, Jamie's not much of a fighter and Mel is bad with technology) because the people writing the game don't care about the Classic Show.
And do you like the Big Finish or New Adventures stuff? Sucks to be you. It's never coming to the RPG. Ever. :?
Yep, generally they are poop - one of the Writers (Darren Pearce) who I've known for years insists he's an expert - but begged me for Downloads of Classic Doctor episodes (because I have Who in multiple mediums) to "help him" with his writing lol - BUT, thats what Fan produced stuff is for (I've even had Kroton and Abslom Daak turn up as NPC's in my games).
Put simply, we're going to see a 28mm Jackie Tyler long before we see a Celestial Toymaker and we'll NEVER see a Charlie, Fitz or Bennie. Sure, there'll be all eight Doctors and four posers pretty quick, but that'll just be a ploy to keep the Classic fans calm whilst fifteen alternate poses of Clara are made.
That depends (I personally don't think Jackie-T will be high on their list of priorities) and its a HUGE financial investment, so they will be producing what will sell well first (so no, not fifteen alternate poses of Clara) - I think we'll see Modern Daleks and Cybermen first on the Monsters Side, the Current Doctor and Clara - some Modern Unit etc. Then they will work backwards.
I just refuse to get excited over a game that's going to take 5-6 years MINIMUM to get to the stuff I want.
Now that in a way PLEASES me, if the game lasts long term - I'll be happy about that. :-*
Ok... Rant over... ::)
RANT AWAY - I loves me a good rant ;D
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really I think 'not' figures (meaning unlicensed rip offs of other peoples IP) have done their dash.
Companies are getting licences for everything from predator and terminator to Dr Who. This means if you plunder pop culture to make copies of other peoples IP without a license. The chances are the end result will now be the line being scrapped to avoid C&D sooner rather than later making it a loss. Pure economics will drive its extinction.
The other option is for makers of 'not' figures to be slightly original in their work. In other words instead of a direct copy of something, use it for inspiration to make something different but similar.
As for sending C&D's, surely the people who have been doing the wrong thing will just police themselves and stop doing it now the jig is up. If it gets to the point the beeb HAVE to send C&D's to protect the company that followed the law, then really who is to blame here?
If they (the 'not' ::) figure makers.) feel they have done nothing wrong then surely they will welcome any C&D and enjoy showing everyone how their actions are perfectly legal.
What He Said :)
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but that'll just be a ploy to keep the Classic fans calm whilst fifteen alternate poses of Clara are made.
Fifteen poses of Clara sounds...interesting.
Regarding the IP issue, let's not forget that how the BBC operates in the future is currently up for discussion. The new Culture Secretary has voiced opinions on what sort of material they should broadcast and how it shoud be funded (even considering a subscription). As much as I like the "not" manufacturers, if the BBC's commercial viability is being scrutinized, it seems only fair that they should start looking to protect their IP.
Edit: No longer as politically contentious.
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@baldlea - one of the best things about this forum is the lack of politics. You may want to edit your post before the moderators jump in.
Nothing like politics to spoil the image of Clara Oswald in fifteen different poses :(
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haha, if there's going to be 15 poses of Clara, that's 15 too many. My guess is there will be 50 Roses though in every possible incarnation.
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Join the club Brother ;)
There is a club? Fantastic! Where can I join?
Trying to remain optimistic about this, nothing else to do really. Positives are that there will be new, official Daleks, Cybermen, etc.
In a small way Crooked Dice have done well out of me, cos I sent them a load of cash the other day due to me being all paranoid about C&Ds. Formulating a Black Tree order now. lol
J
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@zemjw
Thanks for the heads up...post edited above.
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Even after all these years, I remain astonished by Doctor Who fans' ability to find the cloud in every vein of silver! lol
Warlord is likely to concentrate on New Who. Well, what Warlord actually says is, "expect to see Sea Devils as much as Weeping Angels, Leela as much as Martha Jones, and a long, brightly coloured scarf as much as a fez".
But suppose there is a strong bias towards the new series. Why would that be a problem? After all, that's where the gaps are. We've had twenty years to stock up on Harlequin/Black Tree's extensive (if variable) range covering the old series. Those might even remain on sale. Even if they don't, they'll be forever circulating on ebay. It's still possible to pick up the 1980s Citadel/FASA figures at reasonable prices, if you're patient and those were only on sale from the manufacturers for a short time.
I'd suggest we are much more likely to see Warlord minis of Katarina or the Moroks if Warlord makes a success of selling models of Clara and the latest Cybermen than if they kick off with such obscurities.
Manufacturers of "not" minis might have to withdraw them from sale. Possibly: we don't know yet. But that can happen at any time to an unlicensed "not" mini: it isn't dependent on a commercial licence being issued to someone else. There was no new licensor on the scene when QRF's not-Triffids got C&D'd, or when Paramount's lawyers closed down Eureka;s not-Star Trek minis. So, if you see an unlicensed mini that you want, buy it as fast as you can. Put in some orders now, like The Mystic Spiral has done.
Bolt Action is not the right basis for the rules. Warlord refer to "a game system you all know and love," which may well be Bolt Action, though neither they nor John Lambshead, who is writing the rules, have specified that. If you don't like the thought of Bolt Action (or Black Powder, or Beyond the Gates of Antares or whatever) being adapted to Doctor Who, then go and download Crooked Dice's Doctor Who Miniatures Game now for free ( http://www.crooked-dice.co.uk/wp/rules/dwmg/ (http://www.crooked-dice.co.uk/wp/rules/dwmg/) ). Or find the Harlequin Doctor Who Invasion Earth game on ebay. Or adapt your favourite rules - I've seen threads here recently about Doctor Who games using Zombicide and Pulp Alley.
Warlord may lose interest. But even if they do, we'll have seen an increase in the number and range of Doctor Who figures available. It's even possible that it isn't an exclusive licence (until Panini bought up the ailing Doctor Who Adventures, the BBC had issued licensed three different companies to produce Doctor Who comic strips simultaneously - in the 1980s, Citadel/FASA and Fine Art Casting both held licences to make Doctor Who figures at the same time), which would leave open the possibility of someone else picking up the baton. Whatever, I'm unlikely to have to spend hours converting those Heroclix Iron Man figures I bought into "Nightmare in Silver" Cybermen after all!
There won't be figures derived from the books/audios/comic strips. Probably not (though cross-licencing does occur - Big Finish audios have featured characters from the comics such as Frobisher and Izzy, and they are currently making a range of adaptations of the Virgin books from the 1900s 1990s - so it's not an impossibility). But no-one is making them now, so how does that leave us worse off?
Overall, this looks like being a huge net gain. Let's treat it as such.
Edit: corrected date of the Virgin Books series.
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So, John Lambshead/John's Toy Soldiers Blog bloke is writing it. Anyone more familiar with his work?
I just refuse to get excited over a game that's going to take 5-6 years MINIMUM to get to the stuff I want.
Ok... Rant over... ::)
Fair enough. It doesn't even sound like it's targeted to you though, so they wouldn't imagine you'd get excited. I just hope nobody will act surprised that a game released as a tie-in to a current television show will feature the current/recent doctor, baddies, locations and so on. As said, they've already made it a point to say that it won't be all new stuff, but we'll see.
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I wonder if warlord will do Harry Potter next year. They do all three month something new. Is it really good for the "old" ranges? I don't think so.
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NurgleHH: official Sapphire and Steel wargame early 2016, official On The Buses minis range next winter?
It's hard to prove they're likenesses though and not generic humans. Ship them with a pistol rather than a screwdriver and they're spy minis. Stick the screwdrivers on a tool sprue and no-one will know.
Some of the "not" figures are a fairly generic bunch.
There have been a few that I couldn't recognise without someine telling me what they were...
I hope they might - after all Foundry still make Dad's Army figures.
Since you mention it. Given the official Dad's Army sculpts that Warlord put out, I'd say there's a good chance the new Dr. Who sculpts could still be fairly generic and unrecognisable...
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one tiny correction is it was stargate not star trek.
Well, those too maybe, but I was thinking of these …
(http://i814.photobucket.com/albums/zz62/SteveFlanaganUK/For%20sale/StarTrekM.jpg) (http://s814.photobucket.com/user/SteveFlanaganUK/media/For%20sale/StarTrekM.jpg.html)
Heh, first picture in a Doctor Who thread and it's the other franchise!
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On reflection, I think you're right, Scurv, that it was Stargate that was that actually resulted in a C&D letter. If I remember rightly, Eureka took that as a warning and withdrew other potentially risky sets of figures as a precaution. There were some Planet of the Apes style minis that went at the same time (to be replaced by the boiler suit and space suit apes).
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yes Nic removed all 'not' figures and refuses to do them now.
And I know I am really boring but I totally agree with that stance.
There are so many wonderful sculptors that are capable of sculpting really imaginative stuff... yet they go for all the 'not' stuff instead and it is a real shame :(
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NurgleHH: official Sapphire and Steel wargame early 2016, official On The Buses minis range next winter?
You know, I'd actually buy a 28mm Blakey! "Buuutlerrrr!"
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And then there's Harry Enfield and Paul Whitehouse's On the TARDIS or Doctor Who: The ITV Years, with Blakey as the Master:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3H02J61Ma5A
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At the risk of veering this thread waaaaay off topic, I won't rest until someone produces a range of Nearest and Dearest miniatures.
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Steering back to the light and away from the rocks: I'd imagine the more commercial options will appear first but given the huge wealth of background material and characters there could literally be thousands of miniature options. Silurians, Ice Warriors, Zygons, would be all great. I'm most looking forward to a decent Tom Baker though. I'm not bothered about the actual game so hopefully the miniatures won't necessarily be tied in to book sales (like some of the Bolt Action special characters).
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Even after all these years, I remain astonished by Doctor Who fans' ability to find the cloud in every vein of silver! lol
Warlord is likely to concentrate on New Who. Well, what Warlord actually says is, "expect to see Sea Devils as much as Weeping Angels, Leela as much as Martha Jones, and a long, brightly coloured scarf as much as a fez".
But suppose there is a strong bias towards the new series. Why would that be a problem? After all, that's where the gaps are. We've had twenty years to stock up on Harlequin/Black Tree's extensive (if variable) range covering the old series. Those might even remain on sale. Even if they don't, they'll be forever circulating on ebay. It's still possible to pick up the 1980s Citadel/FASA figures at reasonable prices, if you're patient and those were only on sale from the manufacturers for a short time.
I'd suggest we are much more likely to see Warlord minis of Katarina or the Moroks if Warlord makes a success of selling models of Clara and the latest Cybermen than if they kick off with such obscurities.
Manufacturers of "not" minis might have to withdraw them from sale. Possibly: we don't know yet. But that can happen at any time to an unlicensed "not" mini: it isn't dependent on a commercial licence being issued to someone else. There was no new licensor on the scene when QRF's not-Triffids got C&D'd, or when Paramount's lawyers closed down Eureka;s not-Star Trek minis. So, if you see an unlicensed mini that you want, buy it as fast as you can. Put in some orders now, like The Mystic Spiral has done.
Bolt Action is not the right basis for the rules. Warlord refer to "a game system you all know and love," which may well be Bolt Action, though neither they nor John Lambshead, who is writing the rules, have specified that. If you don't like the thought of Bolt Action (or Black Powder, or Beyond the Gates of Antares or whatever) being adapted to Doctor Who, then go and download Crooked Dice's Doctor Who Miniatures Game now for free ( http://www.crooked-dice.co.uk/wp/rules/dwmg/ (http://www.crooked-dice.co.uk/wp/rules/dwmg/) ). Or find the Harlequin Doctor Who Invasion Earth game on ebay. Or adapt your favourite rules - I've seen threads here recently about Doctor Who games using Zombicide and Pulp Alley.
Warlord may lose interest. But even if they do, we'll have seen an increase in the number and range of Doctor Who figures available. It's even possible that it isn't an exclusive licence (until Panini bought up the ailing Doctor Who Adventures, the BBC had issued licensed three different companies to produce Doctor Who comic strips simultaneously - in the 1980s, Citadel/FASA and Fine Art Casting both held licences to make Doctor Who figures at the same time), which would leave open the possibility of someone else picking up the baton. Whatever, I'm unlikely to have to spend hours converting those Heroclix Iron Man figures I bought into "Nightmare in Silver" Cybermen after all!
There won't be figures derived from the books/audios/comic strips. Probably not (though cross-licencing does occur - Big Finish audios have featured characters from the comics such as Frobisher and Izzy, and they are currently making a range of adaptations of the Virgin books from the 1900s - so it's not an impossibility). But no-one is making them now, so how does that leave us worse off?
Overall, this looks like being a huge net gain. Let's treat it as such.
The pedantic bugger is right of course. All in all this a good thing. Warlord can do something that the not-producers cm sure many of can't - produce plastics of monster armies. I'm sure many of us are still swamped by DWA iDaleks but Cybermen, Sontarans etc will certainly be welcome. I'm sure that with the right sculptors Warlord can produce some great characters.
I@ve no issue with Warlord focusing on the new series initially. I think the appearance of classic characters will largely depend on how successfully the new series figures sell.
As for the rules, I personally hate pricey glossy rulebooks so I would be unlikely to purchase Warlord's DWMG anyway, unless it's available as reasonably priced PDF. That said, CD have been understandably so busy with 7TV etc that the DWMG hasn't had any support for a long time, so it would be good to have a supported set of rules.
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And I know I am really boring but I totally agree with that stance.
There are so many wonderful sculptors that are capable of sculpting really imaginative stuff... yet they go for all the 'not' stuff instead and it is a real shame :(
And going OT in....
There's no reason it has to be an either/or. A lot of the 'not' sculpts pay the bills - I suspect Mr Foster may have struggled even more over the (dragon) years had he not produced a few homages. Hasslefree too, to name but 2.
Obviously, YMMV, but IMO it's not a shame at all. People want - and are obviously willing to pay for - stuff that's connected to things they remember fondly or still enjoy, hence the explosion in licencing, sadly some of it with questionable QC.
Back on topic, it's the aforementioned questionable QC that I'm most worried about. Warlord are infamous for it; it's put me right off Bolt Action and GoA. If the character minis are not as good as the Veingart CD sculpts, they'll be rightly pilloried here and elsewhere. Sadly though, they will still sell well simply because they have the label.....
A high-impact plastic box set with a clear plastic Tardis, a solid grey one, Dr of choice, assistant or 2 and K9 would make a great pack. Make them simple enough and you'll sell tons. Make it in the right way and it can be re-packed multiple ways for multiple doctors.
Cautiously optimistic, but I'll not hold my breath. I will be picking up the minis I want from others ASAP though...
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A slight change of tac -
There will be a new game system devised to fit into the Doctor Who universe and to allow the existing characters to work to the best effect
http://www.kasterborous.com/2015/08/doctor-miniatures-game-announced-warlord-games/ (http://www.kasterborous.com/2015/08/doctor-miniatures-game-announced-warlord-games/)
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Well it sounds a lot like some form of 12 Doctors set is planned based on that article. I wonder if boxed sets might form a big part of Warlord's releases?
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Well it sounds a lot like some form of 12 Doctors set is planned based on that article. I wonder if boxed sets might form a big part of Warlord's releases?
One can Hope
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Well, well...
Just ordered the Doctor, Doctor bundle from Heresy (with the discount), and downloaded the free DWMG-rules.
Where do I get the nicest phone booth?
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There's a sticky thread (eeyew!) of Doctor Who proxies here, including several police boxes:
http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=56140.0 (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=56140.0)
Personally, I like the Sci-Fi Collector's Centre diecast for the bigger 21st century prop, which I used on these threads:
Doctor Who 1996: http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=43312.0 (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=43312.0)
Doctor Who 2010: http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=23774.0 (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=23774.0)
Doctor Who 2011: http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=45461.0 (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=45461.0)
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Thanks. Ordered the Ainsty Tardis and Central Console (I feel a kind of project vibe, here... ::) )
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New figures to buy ... what's not to like. I just hope they fit in with my Crooked Dice minis.
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I'm really looking forward to seeing what comes out of this. I have loads of old Harlequin Doctor Who minis, and only a quarter of them are painted. I just can't find the will to paint a Harlequin Menoptera or Cheetah Person. I have painted a couple Zygons though, and they look awful. The idea of a new company making new Zygons is exciting. Hell, a decent Leela would make my day. I'd even be happy with a Chumbley. The chance to get some new sculpts of old monsters and characters is well worth seeing the new show take the limelight.
And if I don't like what I see, I just won't buy the game. Now lets see if someone knows how to sculpt the Second Doctor.
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Well, well...
Just ordered the Doctor, Doctor bundle from Heresy (with the discount), and downloaded the free DWMG-rules.
Where do I get the nicest phone booth?
Fenris without question
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Fenris without question
A word of caution about the Fenris box, if you haven't seen it from all angles: the configuration of panels on the door is based on a real Glaswegian police box and is quite different from that used on any of the Tardis props. That's fine if you know and don't mind, but it could be a nasty surprise if you're fussy and hadn't noticed.
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A word of caution about the Fenris box, if you haven't seen it from all angles: the configuration of panels on the door is based on a real Glaswegian police box and is quite different from that used on any of the Tardis props. That's fine if you know and don't mind, but it could be a nasty surprise if you're fussy and hadn't noticed.
Pedantic Bugger! ;)
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A word of caution about the Fenris box, if you haven't seen it from all angles: the configuration of panels on the door is based on a real Glaswegian police box and is quite different from that used on any of the Tardis props. That's fine if you know and don't mind, but it could be a nasty surprise if you're fussy and hadn't noticed.
Its also nearer 25mm scale than 28mm scale ;)
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For the Dr Who fans (as long as it doesn't stamp on the 'inspired' ranges of other companies) I think this has the potential to be a great thing... supported rules, plastic miniatures (enabling armies of some of the miniatures like DALEKs and cybermen etc) and it's coming from a company that is capable of making it work.
From a non Whovian perspective, I am struggling to think of any of the aliens that I'd like to see in any number (obviously Sontarans are cool and they would be nice to see in large numbers) ... and apart from the UNIT troops, with maybe a few of the sci-fi styled humans, there is little to get excited about.
I hope it pans out to meet Whovian expectations :)
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For the Dr Who fans (as long as it doesn't stamp on the 'inspired' ranges of other companies) I think this has the potential to be a great thing... supported rules, plastic miniatures (enabling armies of some of the miniatures like DALEKs and cybermen etc) and it's coming from a company that is capable of making it work.
From a non Whovian perspective, I am struggling to think of any of the aliens that I'd like to see in any number (obviously Sontarans are cool and they would be nice to see in large numbers) ... and apart from the UNIT troops, with maybe a few of the sci-fi styled humans, there is little to get excited about.
I hope it pans out to meet Whovian expectations :)
Apart from the obvious mentioned Daleks, Cybermen, and Sontarans I would also LOVE to see more Ice Warriors, Silurians (classic and modern) and Sea Devils just to name a few. Yeah, I'm excited by the possibiliites
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I would love to see Draconians :)
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Pedantic Bugger! ;)
Should I change my username?
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Ah but will they do the Spike Milligan Dalek from Q6?
I doubt we will see plastic UNIT troops, about the only thing, I would be interested in but one never knows there might be some vaguely useful metal ones.
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Should I change my username?
Nah, use it as your personal text instead 8)
I'm not sure about plastics actually, have they been announced to be in the works? Making a mass combat game out of this doesn't seem to fit the context too well so they'd have to count on a big bunch of fans buying some troops and not on all people getting big armies.
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Further information from Doctor Who fan site Kasterborous ( http://www.kasterborous.com/2015/08/doctor-miniatures-game-announced-warlord-games/ (http://www.kasterborous.com/2015/08/doctor-miniatures-game-announced-warlord-games/) ):
The company will produce a starter game as well as a hardback book detailing instructions for how to defeat Doctor Who‘s foes.There will be a new game system devised to fit into the Doctor Who universe and to allow the existing characters to work to the best effect. John Stallard, managing director or Warlord Games, said that he expects Cybermen and Daleks to be the most popular figurines. “You can’t beat a Dalek,” he added.
Work started recently on the figurines and Mr Stallard said that he hopes the first games should be ready in a few months. They have reportedly started sculpting the first models, commencing with ‘the bad guys’ and once these have been approved by the BBC they can start on the figures of all 12 Doctors confirmed for the set.
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This from the Random Platypus forum - http://www.randomplatypus.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=13840#p13840
If true, get your orders in quick...
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Best bit of that is this tidbit from Dags:
I'm told that Steve Saleh is doing all the sculpting.
Damn good sculptor (though I don't know how he is with likenesses). Mind you, "all the sculpting" may be a heck of a lot of work! It may put Lucid Eye on the backburner.
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Already ordered a few bits and bobs from both CD and Heresy... just waiting for it to arrive...
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Damn good sculptor (though I don't know how he is with likenesses). Mind you, "all the sculpting" may be a heck of a lot of work! It may put Lucid Eye on the backburner.
Some of those Lucid Eye figures would actually fit in the Whoniverse very well.
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Some of those Lucid Eye figures would actually fit in the Whoniverse very well.
Well, indeed, though I'm hoping Steve Saleh wasn't actually trying for Paul McGann's face when he sculpted his "Time Rider" in the 8th Doctor's outfit from "The Night of the Doctor" ( http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=56140.msg816464#msg816464 (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=56140.msg816464#msg816464) ).
The "Alien Rock Star", meanwhile, has been appearing in Titan's 11th Doctor Comic under the name of "Jones" and/or "Xavi Moonburst".
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Hmmm... Crooked-Dice site down atm... :?
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Hopefully they will have some of the figures at Newbury this weekend
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I'm waiting with bated breath for the Warlord Wednesday newsletter email...
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I hadn't clicked that this may affect Sharclons...
I guess I'll be ordering some very soon indeed :o
(I reckon that they are different enough to escape the wrath of the BBC though... but I can't take the risk. I've delayed too long on a number of occasions and kicked myself :( ).
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(I reckon that they are different enough to escape the wrath of the BBC though... but I can't take the risk. I've delayed too long on a number of occasions and kicked myself :( ).
Looks like Andy thinks they might be: he's changed the Sharclon officer's skin to purple to differentiate him more - http://heresyminiatures.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=2_64&products_id=319 (http://heresyminiatures.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=2_64&products_id=319) - while urging people to buy his "entirely generic" scientists while they are still available.
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Well... I've bought a bunch of Sharclons now, just in case.
I wish I could have bought more but I can't afford it :(
I hope they are generic enough to escape any challenge... but I doubt it :(
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I've wanted to get a Dr. Payne for a while, but the new shipping charges (£7 additional tracking surcharge for all non-UK/EU parcels) are flat-out insanity. I won't pay £20+ to get one £4 mini.
EDIT: ACTUALLY... Maybe I could ride the coattails of one of you who're planning an order while the sale's on? I'll make the thread in the Wanted section then...
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Hmmm... Crooked-Dice site down atm... :?
Damn it! I've been deliberating all week whether to buy the alternative Hugo Solomon and a few other or risk waiting till the Battleground show in November. I just cannot see that sculpt being topped. I'm hoping for good things from Steve Saleh though.
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Lets hope Warlord choses to do the miniatures in 28mm,
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Hmmm... Crooked-Dice site down atm... :?
Hiya - webstore is working fine, just some problems with the top menus. I'll be at Colours with our full range, but if there is anything specific drop me a line with what you are after, as we can't take as much stock with the range getting bigger.
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Lets hope Warlord choses to do the miniatures in 28mm,
It would be strange if they didn't make them the same size as every other range they do. Indeed, I wouldn't be surprised if the rulebook contained scenarios set in World War 2, the early Roman Empire and the English Civil War. Surely it's too good a cross-marketing opportunity to miss?
I know that it would have been effective on me. I gave up wargaming in the early 1980s, but was drawn back to it when Harlequin put out its Doctor Who range; and despite finding 10mm attractive, I largely stuck with 28mm because I wanted everything else to be compatible with my time travellers.
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Hiya - webstore is working fine, just some problems with the top menus. I'll be at Colours with our full range, but if there is anything specific drop me a line with what you are after, as we can't take as much stock with the range getting bigger.
One Hugo Solomon (can't risk not getting it), 2 delightful plucky assistants, a grumpy ginge and Tucker Newman ordered.
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Time lift security would be nice if you could bring them to Colours, and depending on the money situation, department x box set and not doctors packs... I'm sure there are other stuff I want ;D
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Let's hope all the new figures are metal, PLEEEEEEEEEEEESE not plastic.
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Let's hope all the new figures are metal, PLEEEEEEEEEEEESE not plastic.
Have you seen the quality of Warlord metal figures? I really hope they'll at least do Daleks and Cybermen in plastic. As for characters, I don't see it as commercially valid to do plastic sets, so I hope they don't mess them up too badly.
I, for one, wouldn't mind seeing a Bolt Action mod for "battle" type games - I don't think the army list format is in any way suited to represent history, but the core mechanics seemed sound enough.
To be in any way representative and worthy of the show's spirit, though, it would need to include far more role-playing elements. Oh, and proper running rules for all those corridors. ;D
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To be in any way representative and worthy of the show's spirit, though, it would need to include far more role-playing elements. Oh, and proper running rules for all those corridors. ;D
This is what causes me fear in relation to the 'rules you know and love' part... :?
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So, did anybody else on Black Tree's mailing list get the announcement of their Bumper DW mini sale? 142 packs on offer as opposed to the usual 20 per cent off a given range...
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I'll be happy as long as there's a Torchwood supplement ;)
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Finally a preview! http://ttfix.blogspot.co.uk/2015/12/warlord-games-dr-who-zygon-preview.html?m=1
Not much, but it's a start.
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Slightly odd pose, but still a nice looking sculpt.
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Disco Zygon perhaps?
He looks to be smiling too....
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Have you seen the quality of Warlord metal figures? I really hope they'll at least do Daleks and Cybermen in plastic. As for characters, I don't see it as commercially valid to do plastic sets, so I hope they don't mess them up too badly.
The metal characters in the Gates of Antares box are cast flawlessly. Miles better than their historicals.
But I'd prefer plastics too. It just makes assembly that bit easier, and chip-free transport is always a relief.