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Title: Back of Beyond Walled town ( how far I have got on this on and off project)
Post by: dodge on November 02, 2008, 03:54:55 PM
So here goes  o_o

the only modelling I have ever done is airfix and some gw tanks and walkers.

never any scratch built buildings or anything at all.

I have built up this quick work in progress for some encouragement and feedback.

The overview shot:

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_eONwCIOtTO8/SQ3Jue83OKI/AAAAAAAAAIY/t1t-JS73oiw/s320/Fortified+town.JPG)

The left close up:

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_eONwCIOtTO8/SQ3JupmkJ1I/AAAAAAAAAIg/EoYhfxO4SEs/s320/Close+ups+left.JPG)

The centre close up:

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_eONwCIOtTO8/SQ3JvODDfKI/AAAAAAAAAIo/eTB14LrE1V0/s320/close+up+centre.JPG)

The right close up:

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_eONwCIOtTO8/SQ3JviDT8mI/AAAAAAAAAIw/u4bUiyUWy6w/s320/close+ups+right.JPG)

The buildings are made out of blue foamcore , then polyfiller, the windows are a mixture of cardboard and styrene strips

the rooves are mostly corrugated cardboaed from hobby shops and one bog roll tube.

painted with off white b&q anywhere I had lying around.

Walls are polystyrene packing material which will be polyfillered and painted and roofed.

I based the idea on a photo in a thread on BOB buildings ages ago. The monolith buildings and walls when I priced it all came to more than I could afford so I did this for now.

Cost to me

one order to antenocities a while back £22, polyfiller £10 paint free as I used some spare corrugated cardboard £3

Oh an dthe trees were in my antenocities order based up on cd's and made from seafoam. I think they make good spindly trees.

I have a couple of adobes to do as well as finish the painting etc...

I'm quite chuffed so far what do you think?

This would never have happened if I hadn't joined this forum so thank you all  8)

dodge
Title: Re: Back of Beyond Walled town ( how far I have got on this on and off project)
Post by: matakishi on November 02, 2008, 04:24:04 PM
Clean, functional scenery made from scratch. I like it  :D
I look forward to the photos of the completed compound (and the battle report showing it in use)
Title: Re: Back of Beyond Walled town ( how far I have got on this on and off project)
Post by: dodge on November 02, 2008, 04:31:08 PM
thank you matakishi I was quite nervous posting this as so many are far more talented than me.

it means a lot.

dodge
Title: Re: Back of Beyond Walled town ( how far I have got on this on and off project)
Post by: Dewbakuk on November 02, 2008, 05:12:49 PM
It certainly does the job. A word of warning though, it's addictive, although you do improve with practice.

For future buildings you might want to put more relief into the door and window frames, they help to give depth to a building facade.

The seafoam trees, are they the ones you grow? Any chance of a close up with a fig or two to show size? I've always been curious about those.
Title: Re: Back of Beyond Walled town ( how far I have got on this on and off project)
Post by: gamer Mac on November 02, 2008, 05:33:59 PM
looking good so far.
A base for each building helps to protect you hard work and I think helps with the look. You can add detail to the base.
Not sure what you have done with the windows from the size of photos. Maybe needs at better contrast between the glass and the frame.
looking forward to future photos.
Title: Re: Back of Beyond Walled town ( how far I have got on this on and off project)
Post by: dodge on November 02, 2008, 06:41:44 PM
It certainly does the job. A word of warning though, it's addictive, although you do improve with practice.

For future buildings you might want to put more relief into the door and window frames, they help to give depth to a building facade.

The seafoam trees, are they the ones you grow? Any chance of a close up with a fig or two to show size? I've always been curious about those.

Thanks for the positive comments and help

I think you are right about the doors and windows . they were a bit of a headache possibly because i stuck them on then polyfillered. lessons to learn for the future are to render first then apply door and window frames.

The seafoam trees were from Antinocities workshop ready made used striaght from the box. Will try to post comparison pics with figures later next week if thats ok.

Gamer mac I will base each one , just like figures buildings may look better based. The buildings are all solid and windows only painted black so far another lesson for me may be to cut out the windows aswell.

thanks all.

dodge
Title: Re: Back of Beyond Walled town ( how far I have got on this on and off project)
Post by: Captain Eaglehorn on November 02, 2008, 07:11:56 PM
Looks very nice. :D I actually thought those buildings were monolith designs at first galance

Well Done Well done Well done

Eaglehorn
Title: Re: Back of Beyond Walled town ( how far I have got on this on and off project)
Post by: Bullshott on November 02, 2008, 07:21:15 PM
Looks very nice. :D I actually thought those buildings were monolith designs at first galance

Well Done Well done Well done

Eaglehorn

Nice. Very similar in style to the Monolith stuff in my collection (and also the scratch-builds I based on them).
Title: Re: Back of Beyond Walled town ( how far I have got on this on and off project)
Post by: Svennn on November 02, 2008, 07:44:32 PM
Hey, its been a long time coming - I remember discussing it when I made one for the LAF- but it was worth the wait eh!!!!!

I made a silicon mould of my pantiles for the tops of my walls and cast them in plaster if you want to borrow it.


Svennn
Title: Re: Back of Beyond Walled town ( how far I have got on this on and off project)
Post by: Thunderchicken on November 02, 2008, 07:52:14 PM
Nice work Dodge.

I'm about to leap into the scary world of putting my own buildings together too. Gulp!

Title: Re: Back of Beyond Walled town ( how far I have got on this on and off project)
Post by: Overlord on November 02, 2008, 10:40:17 PM
Nice work Dodge.  8)
Far better than the first few buildings I attempted.  Like everything else in life, the more you do it, the better you bet at it!  lol
Your obviously already thinking about what did & didnt work.  Just use that to improve your next ones.  >:D
Title: Re: Back of Beyond Walled town ( how far I have got on this on and off project)
Post by: dodge on November 03, 2008, 07:07:17 AM
Guys thank you all very much.

I did base all of the designs on the Monolith style because it captured what I wanted, and I would buy them, but to get the number of buildings I wanted first off it just was a bit of an outlay for me.

The only issues are the size because I didn't have one to start off with so they may be a bit tall.

The windows and door frames and then painting those wooden bits.
I found it really hard so maybe be rendering first them sticking them on would be best or painting them first and then sticking them on. Don't know really.

I have as you can see a bit more to do so will post here when bits are completed.

Svenn I'll send you a pm later thank you for your kind offer.

Thunderchicken from my experience you just need to plunge in  lol but I think I would have purchased a couple in the style of what I was trying to do first.

thank you all again you have helped me see I'm on the right track.

dodge

Title: Re: Back of Beyond Walled town ( how far I have got on this on and off project)
Post by: Malamute on November 03, 2008, 08:42:24 AM
Looks very nice. :D I actually thought those buildings were monolith designs at first galance

Well Done Well done Well done

Eaglehorn

Exactly what I was thinking, great stuff, looking good so far. :)
Title: Re: Back of Beyond Walled town ( how far I have got on this on and off project)
Post by: white knight on November 03, 2008, 09:08:50 AM
The windows and door frames and then painting those wooden bits.
I found it really hard so maybe be rendering first them sticking them on would be best or painting them first and then sticking them on. Don't know really.

Well, if you apply the filler first, the surface will be less even, so they might not sit flush if you stuck them on afterwards. I'm really having a hard time explaining what I want to say next in English, so I hope it's intelligable (intelligible?). Maybe you could glue them in place first, like you did now, but make them stick out a mm or so more, so that when you apply the filler, they don't get burried in it, but maintain the relief (is that a word in english?)? In other words, assuming your window and doorframes were 1mm thick on this version, you lost a lot of the relief when applying the layer of filler. Now if you made them 2mm thich, you'd still have a good mm sticking out after the rendering, thus preserving the relief.
Does that make any sense at all?
Title: Re: Back of Beyond Walled town ( how far I have got on this on and off project)
Post by: JollyBob on November 03, 2008, 09:25:28 AM
Makes sense to me.

Nice job on the town so far, I keep meaning to have a go at making some buildings so its always good to see how other people do it.
Title: Re: Back of Beyond Walled town ( how far I have got on this on and off project)
Post by: dodge on November 03, 2008, 10:33:52 AM
The windows and door frames and then painting those wooden bits.
I found it really hard so maybe be rendering first them sticking them on would be best or painting them first and then sticking them on. Don't know really.

Well, if you apply the filler first, the surface will be less even, so they might not sit flush if you stuck them on afterwards. I'm really having a hard time explaining what I want to say next in English, so I hope it's intelligable (intelligible?). Maybe you could glue them in place first, like you did now, but make them stick out a mm or so more, so that when you apply the filler, they don't get burried in it, but maintain the relief (is that a word in english?)? In other words, assuming your window and doorframes were 1mm thick on this version, you lost a lot of the relief when applying the layer of filler. Now if you made them 2mm thich, you'd still have a good mm sticking out after the rendering, thus preserving the relief.
Does that make any sense at all?

Ok so I need to make it stick out a bit more. so thicker card board or styrene strips or foam board then.

I understand perfectly, if it sticks out a bit more it will make the painting much easier.

excellent.

mal and jollybob thanks for the good feedback I appreciate it  :D

dodge
Title: Re: Back of Beyond Walled town ( how far I have got on this on and off project)
Post by: Malamute on November 03, 2008, 10:39:13 AM
I would add the windows, door frames and any exposed timber before adding the render.
It takes a bit more time to therefore Polyfilla the model as you have to be careful about not getting plaster on the windows etc, but you get a more realistic finish and you haven't got to worry about the windows not fitting etc.
Title: Re: Back of Beyond Walled town ( how far I have got on this on and off project)
Post by: twrchtrwyth on November 03, 2008, 10:47:22 AM
Great work. 8)
Title: Re: Back of Beyond Walled town ( how far I have got on this on and off project)
Post by: white knight on November 03, 2008, 10:48:43 AM
Oh,and great work, btw.  ;D
Title: Re: Back of Beyond Walled town ( how far I have got on this on and off project)
Post by: dodge on November 03, 2008, 12:06:09 PM
Yeah you are right Mal, I did put the windows dorrs etc... all on first, the rendering was quite tricky but turned out ok in the end. so i will keeep to that.

thanks to twrchtrwyth and white knight for your comments.

dodge
Title: Re: Back of Beyond Walled town ( how far I have got on this on and off project)
Post by: Svennn on November 03, 2008, 01:38:14 PM
I have good results by watering polyfilla down and adding a little fine sand so it is more like a sloppy paste. I then use an old large brush  to apply it. I find this easier/quicker and it still gives the right finish. It is also a bit thinner so does away with the "relief" problem too. Perhaps it is something you could try?

Svennn
Title: Re: Back of Beyond Walled town ( how far I have got on this on and off project)
Post by: dodge on November 03, 2008, 01:44:15 PM
I have good results by watering polyfilla down and adding a little fine sand so it is more like a sloppy paste. I then use an old large brush  to apply it. I find this easier/quicker and it still gives the right finish. It is also a bit thinner so does away with the "relief" problem too. Perhaps it is something you could try?

Svennn

It's funny you should say that because I mixed polyfiller with paint for the very first one but wasn't sure which I would prefer so I renered the rest. Results not too disimilar actually but I used a smaller old brush so would use a bigger one next time. :?.

On the wall pantiles mould how wide are they? my walls being just cheapo polystyrene packing are 1.5 cm thick is that about how wide your mould is? Sorry forgot to pm. o_o

Dodge
Title: Re: Back of Beyond Walled town ( how far I have got on this on and off project)
Post by: Svennn on November 03, 2008, 02:02:25 PM
The base of the tops is 18-20mm. I used two pieces of foamore laminated together to create my walls. Should work ok on 1.5cm???

Svennn
Title: Re: Back of Beyond Walled town ( how far I have got on this on and off project)
Post by: dodge on November 03, 2008, 02:04:43 PM
The base of the tops is 18-20mm. I used two pieces of foamore laminated together to create my walls. Should work ok on 1.5cm???

Svennn

Yep I think it would work only a small overhang. Worth a crack. Will pm.