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Title: English knights in the baltic 1329
Post by: Paul on August 24, 2015, 10:00:42 AM
Sorry..no pics ..yet

I´m looking for names of any English or Scottish Knights, barons etc who joined or were present on the reysa(s) in lithuania in late 1328 - 1329 and fought alongside the Teutonic order.

probably a Bit of a longshot... after three days of Research I´ve found nothing...only mention of "Nobles from England" being there.
Title: Re: English knights in the baltic 1329
Post by: Admiral Alder on August 24, 2015, 01:38:02 PM
I know that a young Henry IV took part in the Baltic Crusades alongside the Teutonic Knights, I would recommend Eric Christiansens' book, but I'm not sure how detailed it is, in regard to naming the English knights.
Title: Re: English knights in the baltic 1329
Post by: Atheling on August 24, 2015, 02:49:34 PM
I know that a young Henry IV took part in the Baltic Crusades alongside the Teutonic Knights, I would recommend Eric Christiansens' book, but I'm not sure how detailed it is, in regard to naming the English knights.

That's one I've got but never got around to actually reading it! Still, one day :)

Darrell.
Title: Re: English knights in the baltic 1329
Post by: UbiqueMatt on August 25, 2015, 01:37:44 PM
Have you seen the Osprey book 'Teutonic Knight'? The cover illustration shows a raiding party and the text mentions that it depicts a temporary volunteer from England. The armour is based on the effigy of William de Keynes although the livery actually looks like that of the Harcourt family. I'm not sure if either Keynes or Harcourt ever travelled to the Baltics but I'll keep looking.

http://www.themcs.org/churches/Dodford%20St%20Mary%20the%20Virgin.html (http://www.themcs.org/churches/Dodford%20St%20Mary%20the%20Virgin.html)

Are you familiar with the Knights of Saint Thomas?
http://www.thomas-of-acon.org/?pageId=33323530g24a707531964730046f88be1cb5c36de (http://www.thomas-of-acon.org/?pageId=33323530g24a707531964730046f88be1cb5c36de)
http://www.osta.org.au/history.html (http://www.osta.org.au/history.html)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_of_Saint_Thomas (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_of_Saint_Thomas)
Title: Re: English knights in the baltic 1329
Post by: whiskey priest on August 25, 2015, 01:49:34 PM
I seem to remember a story of the Teutonics having to break up a brawl between Scottish and English knights. On a bridge? Vague, I know.
Title: Re: English knights in the baltic 1329
Post by: flags_of_war on August 25, 2015, 02:18:40 PM
I've directed David Imrie to this as he is always talking to me about these raids.
Title: Re: English knights in the baltic 1329
Post by: Paul on August 25, 2015, 04:46:24 PM
Have you seen the Osprey book 'Teutonic Knight'? The cover illustration shows a raiding party and the text mentions that it depicts a temporary volunteer from England. The armour is based on the effigy of William de Keynes although the livery actually looks like that of the Harcourt family. I'm not sure if either Keynes or Harcourt ever travelled to the Baltics but I'll keep looking.

http://www.themcs.org/churches/Dodford%20St%20Mary%20the%20Virgin.html (http://www.themcs.org/churches/Dodford%20St%20Mary%20the%20Virgin.html)



Thanks.
Sir William de Keynes from Dodford aka William de Cahaignes /Caines ? If so, the Family had a history of crusading. Richard de Cahaignes  died 1270 in the Crusades but I can´t find much more about them. The colours on the Knight on the front cover also Looks like those of Brian le FitzAleyn  o_o :)

The Knights of st Thomas. I wasn´t familiar with them....and after doing a bit of searching,  this wiki link quote....
Quote
However the financial situation continued to deteriorate with reports of the London premises being reported as being in ruins by 1330 and the order ceased to be a viable military organisation with nothing more being heard of the master in Nicosia after 1360.
...seems to be true. Unfortunately they seem to run out of steam around the time I´m looking for.. :(

So far I´ve come across names of english kniggits who took part in Baltic reysas but Thomas Ufford, Thomas Holland, William Lord of hastings but all well after 1330.
I´m beggining to think there might not have been many (or not titeled ones) due to the Situation in England. The scotts, French and Mortimer..but maybe some could have been refugees from Mortimers time?

I´m having a bad time of finding and confirming the list of named German Knights as it is... lol lol..12 so far from 30 plus.
Title: Re: English knights in the baltic 1329
Post by: Paul on August 25, 2015, 04:48:06 PM
I know that a young Henry IV took part in the Baltic Crusades alongside the Teutonic Knights, I would recommend Eric Christiansens' book, but I'm not sure how detailed it is, in regard to naming the English knights.
Thanks... :)I´ve Just found a PDF copy so I can have a look later...



 or Darren could finally read his copy...  :D
Title: Re: English knights in the baltic 1329
Post by: Atheling on August 25, 2015, 06:47:39 PM
Thanks... :)I´ve Just found a PDF copy so I can have a look later...



 or Darren could finally read his copy...  :D

Not likely, it's still in a box with most of my non essential reading! Sounds a bit rude but you know what I mean? (I hope!)  :D

Darrell.
Title: Re: English knights in the baltic 1329
Post by: Paul on August 25, 2015, 07:49:50 PM
Sorry Denny Danny Darrell..I spelt your Name wrong  :-X...I blame 6 hours of hunting down obscure kniggits, the spelling of thier names having altered over the centuries ..can be fun tracing a present german spelling back to it´s lithuanian one... a lot of them only to be found  in even more obscure books in german..in Gothic print. Tiny gothic print... o_o




Still..keeps me off the streets
Title: Re: English knights in the baltic 1329
Post by: Atheling on August 25, 2015, 07:59:58 PM
Sorry Denny Danny Darrell..I spelt your Name wrong  :-X...I blame 6 hours of hunting down obscure kniggits, the spelling of thier names having altered over the centuries ..can be fun tracing a present german spelling back to it´s lithuanian one... a lot of them only to be found  in even more obscure books in german..in Gothic print. Tiny gothic print... o_o

 lol Rather you than me!!  lol

Still..keeps me off the streets

That's not what i've heard ;)  lol

Darrell.