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Miniatures Adventure => Age of Myths, Gods and Empires => Topic started by: wulfgar22 on September 17, 2015, 08:26:06 AM
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Just saw this on the Osprey Games Facebook page...
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-7KoKm7jorEM/VfppYSiYE3I/AAAAAAAADBQ/yHFP_301FlI/s1600/Blog-to-Do%2B-%2BBroken%2BLegions.jpg)
No info as yet but looks interesting!
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And my handful of Romans may finally find a place... :D
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I just hope it isn't going to be another year+ before it gets published! :(
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From the Osprey blog (https://ospreypublishing.com/blog/Wargames_The_Big_Reveal/):
OWG 15: Broken Legions – Fantasy Skirmish Wargames in the Roman Empire (Jul 2016)
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Interesting slant on the genre, perhaps it may encourage Mr. C to get his 15mm fantasyesque Romans done.
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Isn't this Mark Latham the same cheap who wrote Legends of the Old West/The Alamo, etc? Or am I dreaming that? Don't have the book to hand to check...
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Isn't this Mark Latham the same cheap who wrote Legends of the Old West/The Alamo, etc? Or am I dreaming that? Don't have the book to hand to check...
Used to work for GW. Didn't he write one of the editions of 40K?
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Isn't this Mark Latham the same cheap who wrote Legends of the Old West/The Alamo, etc? Or am I dreaming that? Don't have the book to hand to check...
The very same, I guess. Also known for an ill-fated stab at "Waterloo" and contributions to the Games Workshop universe in general. No mention yet of the ruleset in question on his blog (http://thelostvictorian.blogspot.co.uk), though.
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Interesting idea, looking forward to seeing how it works out.
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I'm more excited abt Poseidon's Warriors to tweak for Troy, but this is nice too. ;)
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Isn't this Mark Latham the same cheap who wrote Legends of the Old West/The Alamo, etc? Or am I dreaming that? Don't have the book to hand to check...
The very same, I guess. Also known for an ill-fated stab at "Waterloo" and contributions to the Games Workshop universe in general. No mention yet of the ruleset in question on his blog, though.
There are more details on.his blog (http://his blog) now.
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There are more details on.his blog (http://his blog) now.
Yeah...that sounds like exactly what I was hoping it would be. Just hope the rules deliver.
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I'm interested, several Osprey's already bought & played for, but am I going to have to convert my Legionaries to being left handed. Something 'sinister' I feel.
I'm not anti-left, I am a lefty. My wife bought me a badge that says, 'I may be left handed, but I'm always right'
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There is also an unrelated Darren Latham.
Didn't Mark also write Trafalgar, probably my all time favourite ship game?
He does make fun rules, that are great for getting guys together with and just having fun. Nothing too serious. Waterloo was a pretty book. Also massive.
I always asked for dorky signatures in my books, he always obliged. Fun type of fellow - although I don't know him at all, and he certainly wouldn't know a nobody like me.
This looks like a fun way to mash monsters and Romans. Everyone has Romans, everyone has a monster or two lying around. Winning combo? Maybe ...
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I'm interested, several Osprey's already bought & played for, but am I going to have to convert my Legionaries to being left handed. Something 'sinister' I feel.
I'm not anti-left, I am a lefty. My wife bought me a badge that says, 'I may be left handed, but I'm always right'
There's something just ... not right ... about that ...
lol
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He does make fun rules, that are great for getting guys together with and just having fun. Nothing too serious. Waterloo was a pretty book. Also massive.
I always asked for dorky signatures in my books, he always obliged. Fun type of fellow - although I don't know him at all, and he certainly wouldn't know a nobody like me.
Dude, I will always happily scrawl dorky stuff in books for people. I can confirm I am super fun.
But seriously, that's my MO. The games I write are the games I want to play with friends over a beer. Not everyone shares that view, which is why I write for the other 90% lol
My best,
Mark
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Sounds like a fun game, I'm in...as long as I can play Celts instead of Romans as well ;)
And Mark, feel free to spread some more words about the game :D
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Dude, I will always happily scrawl dorky stuff in books for people. I can confirm I am super fun.
But seriously, that's my MO. The games I write are the games I want to play with friends over a beer. Not everyone shares that view, which is why I write for the other 90% lol
My best,
Mark
Cheers Mark! The games work just like that. :D
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Just saw this on the Osprey Games Facebook page...
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-7KoKm7jorEM/VfppYSiYE3I/AAAAAAAADBQ/yHFP_301FlI/s1600/Blog-to-Do%2B-%2BBroken%2BLegions.jpg)!
So, that's how the Romans were finally beaten.... it wasn't the Parthians, Sassanids and Germanic hordes..... it was a Giant Minotaur..... I knew I had been barking up the wrong tree!! lol lol
Not my thing at all but if it's your cuppa then I guess the number of new Fantasy skirmish (if it is indeed just that?) rulesets coming out will leave you rather spoiled for choice.
Darrell.
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I am thinking I would like to do some mid republic and late empire action, with this.
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This has gotten me really excited - a long wait until the release though. :'(
In the meantime please tell us more Mark :)
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I am excited about this. I have always fancied doing Romans but never really fancied painting hundreds of them. This could be a good place to start.
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In the meantime please tell us more Mark Smiley
I'll tell you more when (a) I've done some more work, and (b) the guys at Osprey let me lol
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Thanks Mark :)
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Well, it's not like there's a lack of skirmish type games, most of them suited to scenarios set in the ancient world as well. Quite a few also encompass or even focus on ancient mythology.
However, I do wonder what "Roman Fantasy" actually means. Judging the book by its cover (which doesn't appeal to me at all TBH) it doesn't seem to bother with genuinely Roman mythology. So, since the author is with us, may we rather expect something along the lines of the video game Ryse?
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However, I do wonder what "Roman Fantasy" actually means. Judging the book by its cover (which doesn't appeal to me at all TBH) it doesn't seem to bother with genuinely Roman mythology. So, since the author is with us, may we rather expect something along the lines of the video game Ryse?
Similar to Ryse in that it's alternate history, but there is plenty of Roman mythology in Broken Legions. If you check out the blog linked yesterday (here: http://thelostvictorian.blogspot.co.uk/2015/09/more-wargaming-forays.html), you'll see my current thinking. Each warband uses priests, creatures and monsters drawing upon their own mythology. In a nutshell: Romans fight secret war against the occult, travel the globe battling the gods and monsters of their foes - hence the Minotaur on the cover :)
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Please, tell me that the combat system will not be as utterly random as the one in Frostgrave. Just that, and I'll consider buying it (as the term 'warband' just tickled my inner geek)!
I like Romans. I like mythology. I like 1:1 skirmish gaming. I do not play several games a week, so I absolutely crave rules that make player decisions, both on and off the table, count more than random dice rolls.
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So how flexible will making up the warband be? Would you be able to play non-magic warbands, too? Say a hardy Centurion along with his Optio and a bunch of veterans against more magical oppponents? I would much rather this than a more prescriptive system where every warband has to take a God, Priest/Sorceror and band of warriors/beasties.
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Please, tell me that the combat system will not be as utterly random <snip>
Only as random as any system based on dice rolls ;) Seriously, I'm settled on using D10s in a target-based system. Beyond that, I'm still refining.
So how flexible will making up the warband be? Would you be able to play non-magic warbands, too?
I really can't go into much detail at present as I've only done the most cursory work, but I can say with some certainty that warbands are absolutely flexible. Other than a compulsory leader (Centurion, Barbarian Chieftain, etc), all other models are optional. You don't have to take a priest, unless your leader happens to be one (as I think will be the case with the Egyptians, for the purposes of the narrative I've concocted). I'm also planning to include more than one Roman faction, at least one of which will be 'non magical', for want of a better phrase. If there's space, I'll also add mercenaries so that you can take a flavour of other races within your otherwise 'vanilla' warband.
Right, I'm going to bow out for a bit, as I'm in danger of turning the thread into an FAQ for a game that hasn't even had it's first draft yet! Besides, I can say no more, as Osprey are on their way to my house with some Roman-era torture equipment to silence me :)
Latham Out!
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I really can't go into much detail at present as I've only done the most cursory work, but I can say with some certainty that warbands are absolutely flexible. Other than a compulsory leader (Centurion, Barbarian Chieftain, etc), all other models are optional. You don't have to take a priest, unless your leader happens to be one (as I think will be the case with the Egyptians, for the purposes of the narrative I've concocted). I'm also planning to include more than one Roman faction, at least one of which will be 'non magical', for want of a better phrase. If there's space, I'll also add mercenaries so that you can take a flavour of other races within your otherwise 'vanilla' warband.
Music to my ears!
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Please no "factions". Warbands. Armies. Gangs. Cults. Legions. Sect. Cell. Contingent. Guild. Knot. Unit. Ring. No "factions"! lol
I think "faction" has become one of those badly overused terms, and (this is me, I'm probably bonkers) I think it has negative connotations with various games that I cannot stand. It lacks creativity, and is common. Too common. Harumph.
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Sounds really interesting so far.thanks for sharing
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Only as random as any system based on dice rolls ;) Seriously, I'm settled on using D10s in a target-based system. Beyond that, I'm still refining.
Target-based sounds nice, and d10 still makes adjustments/modifiers slightly more varied than d6, so no problem on my behalf, here. :)
I really can't go into much detail at present as I've only done the most cursory work, but I can say with some certainty that warbands are absolutely flexible. Other than a compulsory leader (Centurion, Barbarian Chieftain, etc), all other models are optional. You don't have to take a priest, unless your leader happens to be one (as I think will be the case with the Egyptians, for the purposes of the narrative I've concocted). I'm also planning to include more than one Roman faction, at least one of which will be 'non magical', for want of a better phrase. If there's space, I'll also add mercenaries so that you can take a flavour of other races within your otherwise 'vanilla' warband.
Sounds fine to me.
Right, I'm going to bow out for a bit, as I'm in danger of turning the thread into an FAQ for a game that hasn't even had it's first draft yet! Besides, I can say no more, as Osprey are on their way to my house with some Roman-era torture equipment to silence me :)
Latham Out!
Fair and square, but don't blame us for getting interested lol
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So what can you guys suggest as an alternative to Broken Legions until it gets released?
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So what can you guys suggest as an alternative to Broken Legions until it gets released?
7th Voyage (http://www.crooked-dice.co.uk/wp/product/7th-voyage-rulebook/)
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7th Voyage (http://www.crooked-dice.co.uk/wp/product/7th-voyage-rulebook/)
Have you played this yourself?
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Have you played this yourself?
I've had a few games. The rulebook covers Greek Myths (with a definite 60s sword and sandals movie slant) and Sinbad/Sword & Sorcery. Pretty easily adaptable, though, I'd say. There are also pdf supplements which make Arthur/Robin Hood/Beowulf-style games playable (Once and Future King), 16th/17th century Gothic Horror (The Witching Hour) and Pirates/Samurai/the New World (Beyond the Seven Seas). Lots of fun.
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I have a couple of warbands (called casts) on my blog here (http://ihavewroughtmysimpleplan.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/7th%20Voyage%20Cast), if you're interested in taking a look...though I haven't had a chance to give them an outing yet!
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I have a couple of warbands (called casts) on my blog here (http://ihavewroughtmysimpleplan.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/7th%20Voyage%20Cast), if you're interested in taking a look...though I haven't had a chance to give them an outing yet!
I will have a look. Did not know that was you Gordon :)
Thanks for all the kind comments you always leave on my blog :)
I have read one review and the guy was not impressed.
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I will have a look. Did not know that was you Gordon :)
And I didn't realise it was you, Kaspar. The curse of Usernames!
Thanks for all the kind comments you always leave on my blog :)
Well, thank you for all the inspirational blog posts and pics of your fabulous terrain and figs!
I have read one review and the guy was not impressed.
It definitely has a tongue-in-cheek 60s movie vibe to it but it can be played pretty straight and I found the rules pretty straightforward and fun...a bit more involved than IHMN say but not much.
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The minis and the pictures look very good.
Maybe it is not what I am thinking of. Been reading a review of By God and Monsters as well and that is not it either :(
Will throw you a pm as well.
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So what can you guys suggest as an alternative to Broken Legions until it gets released?
Please remember your own thread here (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=61740.0). ;) Use the search function for further threads on the same topic.
And, please let's return to the topic. Thanks.
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Please remember your own thread here (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=61740.0). ;) Use the search function for further threads on the same topic.
And, please let's return to the topic. Thanks.
Ha ha forgot that I made that lol
This is a bit different though... Must admit that when Mark mentioned Germanic tribes with werewolves I was sold.
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It sounds like a nice opportunity to get out a load of desparate figures.
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Dacia is where modern day Transylvania and Wallachia is. I always fancied Dacian Vampires vs Romans...
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For source material, there is the role playing game from Pinnacle.
http://www.rpgnow.com/browse.php?keywords=rome&manufacturers_id=27&x=0&y=0&author=&artist=&pfrom=&pto=
I will admit I haven't read it, but reviewers seem to like it
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For source material, there is the role playing game from Pinnacle.
http://www.rpgnow.com/browse.php?keywords=rome&manufacturers_id=27&x=0&y=0&author=&artist=&pfrom=&pto=
I will admit I haven't read it, but reviewers seem to like it
I have that one - but I have not played it. Seems good though.
So we have Germanic tribe werewolves, Egyptian mummies and Dacian vampires. What else could be warband specific?
Do people think this is going to be true skirmish with only 5-10 figures per warband or closer to SAGA with small units?
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Do people think this is going to be true skirmish with only 5-10 figures per warband or closer to SAGA with small units?
I'm hoping the former.
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That's why Dacians carried the falx: it's good for beheading the local vampires.
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I'm hoping the former.
So do I
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Well this sounds like it could be right up my alley!
I already own 7th Voyage, which could cover this genre just fine, I think, but if the rules are appealing to me (and it sounds like they would be), I'll give it a go. Have a handful of Romans and Celts that I intended to use for skirmishes using the LOTR ancients variant, but it would be fun to use them (and all those gladiators I got) in this game, too, and a nice excuse to grab some of Rome's other enemies. I love the idea of gaming mythology, but the particular warband structure in Of Gods and Mortals never quite appealed to me, so I'll keep my eyes on this.
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I have that one - but I have not played it. Seems good though.
So we have Germanic tribe werewolves, Egyptian mummies and Dacian vampires. What else could be warband specific?
Do people think this is going to be true skirmish with only 5-10 figures per warband or closer to SAGA with small units?
Greek Minotaurs, Bosporan Centaurs, Sumerian Winged Lions, Cynoscephalae from Kush, Baslisks from Numidia, Chinese Dragons, Indian Nagas...
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Sounds like it could be a lot of fun with making warbands with all the monstrous possibilities.
And from good to bad, so many great kits out there now.
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Are there rules for horse mounted characters, warmachines ( Scorpio ) maybe charriots ?
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Yes for some warbands
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I'm quite looking forward to this one - I've wanted to do an 'alternative' fantasy project for ages, I was toying with bronze age fantasy. Are there any dynamic Romans out there? Not many of the ranges I've seen seem well suited to this type of skirmish game.
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You mean...different poses, not standing in formation?
Black Tree's have some.
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If you're OK with plastic, in my opinion both the Warlord and Victrix models are fine. They are made such that they can rank up nicely, but they're not too static, with some forward momentum and a few thrusting or pilum-chucking arms in the mix. Warlord's plastic Auxiliaries, and the velites in the Victrix sets, are also quite dynamic.
For metal, Black Tree do some, Warlord also do some in metal that are quite a bit more animated than your standard legionaries. There's a "Standing Battle Line" pack that is much more dynamic than it sounds, and also marines or just some command figures like a Primus Palus, Optios, etc.
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Thanks both - you're right, only needing a few I might be able to use mostly command models which tend to be a bit more characterful and heroic.
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July '16, just around the corner, now. 8)
I am looking forward to reading more about this. I recently got blood Eagle and OGAM which can both be twisted into something for this period, too, but I am very excited about the possibilities for BL as a warbands-based skirmish ruleset dedicated to the imperial period.
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Arena Rex is a good alternative while you wait...a little pricey but some of the best looking miniatures in the industry.
ArenaRex.com
http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2016/03/showcase-arena-rex-painting-medusa.html
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I was one of the playtesters, you can read about it in my blog: londonbymidnight.blogspot.com (http://londonbymidnight.blogspot.com)
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I think I might have to dig out those Zvezda Legion of the Damned undead Romans I have. I snagged a bunch on sale: enough for a 1:1 EIR Roman Century plus 16 cavalry and scorpios & onagers. Skeletal, undead Legionaires... pretty cool.
They're just a pain to put together, literally the thigh-bone is connected to the knee-bone and the knee-bone is connected to the shin bone - in 28mm. I have to use a pin & vice and .05mm wire to pin them together just to keep all the parts from falling off. I feel like a surgeon putting these things together. After finishing half of the cavalry, I put all the sprues up on a shelf and went on to other things.
But this game may just make me suffer through putting 100 Zvezda 28mm skeletons in Roman armor together.
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I think I might have to dig out those Zvezda Legion of the Damned undead Romans I have. I snagged a bunch on sale: enough for a 1:1 EIR Roman Century plus 16 cavalry and scorpios & onagers. Skeletal, undead Legionaires... pretty cool.
(..........)
But this game may just make me suffer through putting 100 Zvezda 28mm skeletons in Roman armor together.
If you decide to part with some, I would be interested - I only have a single sprue or two sitting in my undead plastic box.
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If you decide to part with some, I would be interested - I only have a single sprue or two sitting in my undead plastic box.
I think I'll hold on to them for awhile now that there might be a decent game to use them with. They really are pretty neat, it's just so tedious putting them together
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I was one of the playtesters, you can read about it in my blog: londonbymidnight.blogspot.com (http://londonbymidnight.blogspot.com)
The photos of the game look good, but there's not much on there about the mechanics of the game. What is good about it, what makes it enjoyable / challenging / interesting / different to any other games ?
3 hours for a skirmish game with 14 figures on each side sounds awfully long to me. It sounded like the figures were locked in melee combat for a lot of this time. Is there anything interesting to do once they are locked in combat, or is just a case of rolling dice until one side wins ?
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For your skeletal Roman gaming needs...
(http://tabletop-miniatures-solutions.com/127-thickbox_default/9th-legion-infantry-skeletons-hws.jpg)
http://tabletop-miniatures-solutions.com/16-core-units
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How tall are those guys compared to other historical range's?
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Interestingly they do skeleton heads as well.
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The photos of the game look good, but there's not much on there about the mechanics of the game. What is good about it, what makes it enjoyable / challenging / interesting / different to any other games ?
3 hours for a skirmish game with 14 figures on each side sounds awfully long to me. It sounded like the figures were locked in melee combat for a lot of this time. Is there anything interesting to do once they are locked in combat, or is just a case of rolling dice until one side wins ?
The 3 hours spent is a lot. Of course us not really knowing the rules add time. A lot of time the game is all about being locked in melee, and yes the options of what to do once that happens is limited. The time issue is some of the feedback that the author received from our playtesting group, and from what I gathered others had mentioned it as well. So this is something that he has looked at - but what the outcome is I do not know.
What works? Well I quite like the options for each warband and they have a different feel and will play differently - Germanic Tribes is all about getting up-close-and -personal as fast as possible while the Romans benefits from being on the defensive and staying in their shieldwall. One thing that we did not test was the Auxilaries (Mercenaries) which adds a lot of colourful characters to the game - Sicari Assassins for instance. Also the campaign rules were not tested, but could of course add something to the game.
We have enjoyed playing the game, but as mentioned in the feedback there is a lot of places where the rules should be tweaked to speed up gameplay.
Hope that helps.